Is your phone listening to you? (1 Viewer)

[tonydead]

Wow.

Educated people are on a whole smarter than uneducated people.  By definition.  

The OP was a question about relatively new technology that's probably best answered by an expert on the subject.   But, even if the conversation has moved towards generic ways of living life it still stands to reason that educated people are smarter, make better decisions and more often than not live better lives.

 

[Joe Bryant]

People can vote how they want, but if they can’t distinguish facts from articles stating “Hilary is a Nazi,” or “Trump eats babies” just because it pops up on their Facebook feed, then I’ve got no time for their opinion on National policy. 

I don't care if someone disagrees with me if they have a line of reasoning for doing so, there’s space for opposing thoughts and lifestyles. What I do have a problem with, and what the original point was, if someone is not smart enough to read and think critically and separate fact from fiction, then no I don’t want their opinion.  I don’t want to hear about science from people that literally believe the earth is flat because an article got 900 likes.  

Fully understood. 

 

[Joe Bryant]

Educated people are on a whole smarter than uneducated people.  By definition.  




 

Of course. 

I think where not everyone agrees is Educated people are on a whole more valuable than uneducated people.  By definition. 

 

[belljr]

I know plenty of educated people that are morons....

 

[Sabertooth]

Except that that's not how averages work.

Your right.  It could be far more people.  

 

[Sabertooth]

I know plenty of educated people that are morons....

I think it comes down to individual decisions.  

l'm not terribly bright, I have a lot of education but was never a great student.  However, I know for a fact I will not die trying to speed climb El Capitan.  Meanwhile two guys did just that a few days ago.  I'd venture at least one of them had more intelligence than me.  Were they morons?  Maybe. Maybe not. 

 

[drpill]

Your right.  It could be far more people.  

Grammatical irony aside, that is true. But now that I think about it, it really depends how we judge intelligence. If we use IQ as a measure, then by definition Carlin is correct, because IQ scales are set so that 100 is the median and the mean. So technically in any given population roughly half the population is above 100 and half below. But a large majority hover right around the average.

 

[Sabertooth]

Of course. 

I think where not everyone agrees is Educated people are on a whole more valuable than uneducated people.  By definition. 

Everybody is the hero of their own story.  So getting people who are not bright to admit they are less valuable than anybody else is a fool's errand.  

 

[Sabertooth]

Grammatical irony aside, that is true. But now that I think about it, it really depends how we judge intelligence. If we use IQ as a measure, then by definition Carlin is correct, because IQ scales are set so that 100 is the median and the mean. So technically in any given population roughly half the population is above 100 and half below. But a large majority hover right around the average.

Sure.  And touche.  I find my grammatical accuracy and typing dexterity have really fallen off these past few years with the advent of autocorrect.  

 

[rockaction]

Sure.  And touche.  I find my grammatical errors and typing dexterity have really fallen off these past few years with the advent of autocorrect.  

I've really almost never gotten they're/their/there wrong unless I was up for twenty-four plus hours and find that with autocorrect I'm getting them wrong all the time. Same with too/to. I know the difference. The computer is so quick to correct it, I can't see it.  

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Wow.

Educated people are on a whole smarter than uneducated people.  By definition.  

The OP was a question about relatively new technology that's probably best answered by an expert on the subject.   But, even if the conversation has moved towards generic ways of living life it still stands to reason that educated people are smarter, make better decisions and more often than not live better lives.

Completely disagree with the bolded, but it's getting far afield from the topic.

 

[tonydead]

Completely disagree with the bolded, but it's getting far afield from the topic.

It sounds like you are trying to say less informed people make equal or better decisions.  Again, by definition I don't think that's true.  And if you live a life full of better decisions it stands to reason your life is better for it.

 

[tonydead]

I know plenty of educated people that are morons....

I never said it was an absolute truth.

Wow.

Educated people are on a whole smarter than uneducated people.  By definition.  

The OP was a question about relatively new technology that's probably best answered by an expert on the subject.   But, even if the conversation has moved towards generic ways of living life it still stands to reason that educated people are smarter, make better decisions and more often than not live better lives.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

It sounds like you are trying to say less informed people make equal or better decisions.  Again, by definition I don't think that's true.  And if you live a life full of better decisions it stands to reason your life is better for it.

Why re-phrase what you think it "sounds like" I am "trying to say" as a strawman when the words are right there for us to read?  I don't think education has much if anything to do with better decision-making or a better life.

 

[Sabertooth]

Why re-phrase what you think it "sounds like" I am "trying to say" as a strawman when the words are right there for us to read?  I don't think education has much if anything to do with better decision-making or a better life.

I disagree with you on that.  If I don't understand how electricity works and I decide to take an outlet apart without educating myself, I will zing myself or worse.  If I don't understand how compound interest works.  I might bury myself in debt.   In both cases, education = better life. 

 

[Joe Bryant]

Everybody is the hero of their own story.  So getting people who are not bright to admit they are less valuable than anybody else is a fool's errand.  

Thanks @Sabertooth  That's not what I mean though. I'm talking about getting the educated people who feel they're superior to the uneducated people. They're the ones I'm talking about when I say "not everyone agrees educated people are on a whole more valuable than uneducated people".

 

[tonydead]

Why re-phrase what you think it "sounds like" I am "trying to say" as a strawman when the words are right there for us to read?  I don't think education has much if anything to do with better decision-making or a better life.

Rephrasing is a way to help make sure I am understanding your point, because, you're not making any sense.  You wouldn't even know how to tie your shoe if someone hadn't taught you.

 

[belljr]

All I know is my neighbor is some computer guy that can't figure out how to start his riding lawn mower....

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Rephrasing is a way to help make sure I am understanding your point, because, you're not making any sense.  You wouldn't even know how to tie your shoe if someone hadn't taught you.

It may be semantics, but you used the term "informed."  An informed decision will most likely be a better decision, agreed. The discussion I was responding to was about education, which I interpret to mean formal education.  I don't think a formal education necessarily results in making better decisions that will lead to a better life, @Sabertooth's specific examples notwithstanding. I've been involved with academia and multi-degreed professionals my entire adult life and can't agree with the proposition that these people will make better life decisions across-the-board than others.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

All I know is my neighbor is some computer guy that can't figure out how to start is riding lawn mower....

This is why most dating services are so stupid. They match you with someone with the same skill set as you instead of finding someone that can fill in your weak spots.

 

[SWC]

cripes most days i would be happy if my phone was listening to me because that would mean any damn body was listening to the old swcer take that to the sad but true bank bromigos 

 

[ZenMaster]

"For sure not listening"  / 4.44% /   2 people

Who are you 2?   

I hit the wrong button. I meant to vote “for sure listening”. 

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

This is why most dating services are so stupid. They match you with someone with the same skill set as you instead of finding someone that can fill in your weak spots.

I'll fill in your weak spot.  

 

[tonydead]

It may be semantics, but you used the term "informed."  An informed decision will most likely be a better decision, agreed. The discussion I was responding to was about education, which I interpret to mean formal education.  I don't think a formal education necessarily results in making better decisions that will lead to a better life, @Sabertooth's specific examples notwithstanding. I've been involved with academia and multi-degreed professionals my entire adult life and can't agree with the proposition that these people will make better life decisions across-the-board than others.

Formal education is just one of many subsets.  Is that when the thread jumped off the rails - when Joe thought BigM learned the dos and don'ts of Facebook posting in college?

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

All I know is my neighbor is some computer guy that can't figure out how to start his riding lawn mower....

why don't you give him a jump start... if you know what I mean

 

[rockaction]

cripes most days i would be happy if my phone was listening to me because that would mean any damn body was listening to the old swcer take that to the sad but true bank bromigos 

You're not on my ignore list brohan and you can take that to the bank. The old SWCer has somebody listening out in the wilderness of the 1s and 0s even if it doesn't elicit a response. SWCer can take it to the bank, for a lay-up, for the jam, for the handmade rig of the BBQ -- all of it it.   

 

[grateful zed]

 someone that can fill in your weak spots.

what are yours?

 

[Slapdash]

cripes most days i would be happy if my phone was listening to me because that would mean any damn body was listening to the old swcer take that to the sad but true bank bromigos 

Your phone probably serves up a lot of adds for credit cards and checking accounts

 

[Leroy Hoard]

what are yours?

Small puppies & long walks on the beach.

 

[Angry Beavers]

Small puppies & long walks on the beach.

I really thought your weaknesses were crazy redheads and College Football Weekday Home Dogs on National TV

 

[Binky The Doormat]

Your phone probably serves up a lot of adds for credit cards and checking accounts

this needs more love.  

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

Can you be more specific with examples of how this could be bad?  What is the government going to do with my conversations with my wife about what we should pick up for dinner tonight, or a phone call with my buddy where we are planning our next trip to Vegas, etc.  What is the government doing with this info that should make me be outraged about all this?  

You can’t be serious. 

 

[CletiusMaximus]

The official app for the Spanish soccer League "La Liga" (equivalent of the NFL) uses the phone's gps to monitor the locations of fans.  When it determines they are in a bar, it uses the phone's microphone to make recordings so the league can find bars that are illegally showing soccer games without paying a license.  Brilliant?  Abhorrent?  Perhaps both.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/06/12/spanish-football-app-spied-users-phone-microphones/

 

[AAABatteries]

"In many ways, the NSA situation that’s unfolding in front of our eyes is raising a question that is critical to the construction of our society. These issues cannot be washed away by declaring personal innocence. A surveillance state will produce more suspect individuals. What’s at stake has to do with how power is employed, by whom and in what circumstances. It’s about questioning whether we still believe in checks and balances to power. Whether we’re OK with continuing to move toward a system that presumes entire classes and networks of people to be suspect."

Danah Boyd: The problem with the ‘I have nothing to hide’ argument

I haven’t read the entire thread yet so somebody may have made this point already so apologies if so.  While I get your point, my assumption is that at this point in time if somebody in government is wanting to frame me for something then the technology is already out there to do so whether I actually did it or not.