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Isaiah Crowell (3 Viewers)
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jurb26
Footballguy
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
I like him as a speculative add for dynasty teams that are either really good or really bad. If your team is really bad, his talent is worth sitting on for awhile even if he doesn't play or make the 53 man roster every week assuming he doesn't have huge off the field issues. If your team is really good, you should know whether he will turn it around as a professional and get some playing time by mid-year or sooner and if not, just dump him for another speculative add.
ETA: For teams in between where roster spots are more important and valuable, I wouldn't touch him.
ETA: For teams in between where roster spots are more important and valuable, I wouldn't touch him.
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Zyphros
Footballguy
Spent a late 3rd on him as well, and my hope is for him to just wait and learn. Tate WILL get hurt, Baker and Ogbonnaya are just guys and I doubt they would give every single carry to West even thought the reports are pretty good on him so far. That makes Crowell's wait for carries not very long and I'm expecting to see him get some useful snaps this year. Hopefully that leads to us getting a good enough read if he has it or not.
Andrew74
Footballguy
Ha, yes, but the but gist is the same.
Xue
Footballguy
Worst argument against Crowell: He didn't dominate his team's carries so he must not have been that talented.
So what if Andre Williams and Matt Forte had declared as Juniors? Does makes them less "talented"? Did they somehow "get more talented" in their Senior season? Does that mean we think Crowell's teammate Malcolm Cyrus has some talent as well? How about If Karlos Williams had declared last year? He didn't even lead his team in carries, so he must be less talented than Freeman. Who's to say that Crowell couldn't have gotten a larger share of carries if he had stayed another year?
Does Ka'Deem Carey's dominance of his team's carries make him more talented than Isaiah Crowell? Does it even say he's "talented"?
Here's an old school one: Deuce McAllister. He was in a virtual timeshare with Joe Gunn. I guess McAllister wasn't that talented.
So what if Andre Williams and Matt Forte had declared as Juniors? Does makes them less "talented"? Did they somehow "get more talented" in their Senior season? Does that mean we think Crowell's teammate Malcolm Cyrus has some talent as well? How about If Karlos Williams had declared last year? He didn't even lead his team in carries, so he must be less talented than Freeman. Who's to say that Crowell couldn't have gotten a larger share of carries if he had stayed another year?
Does Ka'Deem Carey's dominance of his team's carries make him more talented than Isaiah Crowell? Does it even say he's "talented"?
Here's an old school one: Deuce McAllister. He was in a virtual timeshare with Joe Gunn. I guess McAllister wasn't that talented.
Xue
Footballguy
A good exchange here involving Dane Brugler: https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/494899412611522560
My two favorite lines:
My two favorite lines:
Bronx Bomber
Footballguy
GreenBaySnackers
Footballguy
Not true at all.Brewtown said:
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Braktastic
Footballguy
No. I was coming here to see if I could get any insight as to why that is. I guess the upside from last night is that Manziel was the team's leading rusher and none of the backs that did play looked particularly good although the Lions are a tough team to run against.
az_prof
Footballguy
The fact that Crowell missed all of the OTAs because of injury and didn't even play in the first pre-season game is not a good sign. If he is going to make the team he has a lot of ground to make up.
Clearly Tate is the #1 and West is #2 at this time and Crowell isn't in the conversation yet.
Clearly Tate is the #1 and West is #2 at this time and Crowell isn't in the conversation yet.
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EBF
Footballguy
I watched all of the RB carries last night. It will be an interesting battle between Tate and West. Both guys seem to have some viability, but I'm not yet sold that either guy is long term starter material. I almost have it as a coin flip between the two and could see it going either way. West has nice thump, but may lack a little bit of suddenness in his cuts.
The fact that Crowell didn't get any carries doesn't bode that well for him unless he's carrying an injury. If you want to get tin foil hat, you could say they're hiding him because they want to sneak him onto the practice squad. More often than not though, Occam's razor applies in these cases. The simplest answer is the correct answer. If he's not playing, he probably hasn't been practicing well enough to justify the PT. The Browns aren't so stacked at RB that he shouldn't have a good chance to be competing, but it looks like the other guys are ahead of him.
The fact that Crowell didn't get any carries doesn't bode that well for him unless he's carrying an injury. If you want to get tin foil hat, you could say they're hiding him because they want to sneak him onto the practice squad. More often than not though, Occam's razor applies in these cases. The simplest answer is the correct answer. If he's not playing, he probably hasn't been practicing well enough to justify the PT. The Browns aren't so stacked at RB that he shouldn't have a good chance to be competing, but it looks like the other guys are ahead of him.
Braktastic
Footballguy
While I agree az_prof and EBF, the fact that Dion Lewis was so brutacular does give me some hope that Crowell sticks around as the number three back.
az_prof
Footballguy
Here is the comparison of Tate and West from yesterday. I think Tate looked better, more decisive and stronger. But I agree, it is close. West looked really good on the play at 1:09.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P5xqz3Bh44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P5xqz3Bh44
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
I question if you watched it if this is the conclusion you came to. Completely untrue that he looked like garbage.
GoodLloydHaveMercy
Footballguy
To be fair looking like garbage and playing like garbage are 2 very different things... He looked like garbage because those uniforms are terrible IMO...
He played okay from what I saw... Decent quicks and fought forward a few times without a lot of room to do so...
As far as Crowell I think it's more abt wanting to see what they have in dion Lewis and the battle between west and Tate... I believe we will get to see plenty of Crowell later this preseason
He played okay from what I saw... Decent quicks and fought forward a few times without a lot of room to do so...
As far as Crowell I think it's more abt wanting to see what they have in dion Lewis and the battle between west and Tate... I believe we will get to see plenty of Crowell later this preseason
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
watch the game again. The second tv didn't help your analysis.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
West looked fine. That 2nd string offensive line was doing him no favors. His YPC got blown up on two carries for big losses where they completely missed their assignments and there were multiple unblocked guys in the backfield before West even got the handoff.
He had a merely moderate burst but ran with a lot of strength and surprising agility.
He had a merely moderate burst but ran with a lot of strength and surprising agility.
MAC_32
Footballguy
when the second string og wasn't letting the dt walk into the back field West continually juked defenders out of their shoes.If I had one complaint, he bounced outside one or two too many times. That's it.
Crazysight
Footballguy
He's overbought at this point for a supposed sleeper who wasn't drafted. In mfl he's between Andre Brown and James White in the runningback draft list.
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
I would add that Tate ran very strong. I am beginning to suspect he is being under valued at this point.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
dont remember the last time I have read that
Romofan
Footballguy
It's obvious the Browns don't value him. Not even a snap in the first preseason game? He had plenty of other suitors lined up. They will line up again. He needs to get out and get a shot with a team that is more depleted and value what he can do. It's obvious the Browns aren't even going to give him a shot at climbing the depth chart. I'd like to see him with a team where he Walks in as the clear cut #2.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
if there was a situation where he'd be handed the clear #2 don't you think that team would've drafted him?
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
You're aware that every team in the league bypassed him for the entire draft, right?
Where do you think he walks in as a clear cut #2? People keep talking about how awesome his talent is. I guess NFL management without exception are missing it.
Romofan
Footballguy
There are plenty of situations where he could have an easier path to the primary backup. If nfl scouts never missed on anyone then there would be no busts and no successful UDFAs
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
wut?
az_prof
Footballguy
Well, he didn't do himself any favors by being hurt and unable to participate in OTAs.
Romofan
Footballguy
Maybe "walks in as the #2" was a poor choice of words. How about Arizona? After Ellington it's trash. Have you watched his tape? I think most would agree he's got NFL talent.
Where do you think he walks in as a clear cut #2? People keep talking about how awesome his talent is. I guess NFL management without exception are missing it.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
By most I assume you must mean except NFL management and coaches.Maybe "walks in as the #2" was a poor choice of words. How about Arizona? After Ellington it's trash. Have you watched his tape? I think most would agree he's got NFL talent.
Where do you think he walks in as a clear cut #2? People keep talking about how awesome his talent is. I guess NFL management without exception are missing it.
I saw a guy who looked pretty good in limited action as a freshman followed by some solid play against substantially lesser competition. He didn't jump off the page for me at ASU, and he should have. I think he's living off the laurels of his freshman year and others here have soaked that up.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
first of all, I doubt the coaching staff thinks those guys are trashMaybe "walks in as the #2" was a poor choice of words. How about Arizona? After Ellington it's trash. Have you watched his tape? I think most would agree he's got NFL talent.
Where do you think he walks in as a clear cut #2? People keep talking about how awesome his talent is. I guess NFL management without exception are missing it.
secondly, if arizona valued this dude why didn't they draft him?
and lastly, I'm still trying to figure out how you think cle is going to cut everybody who isn't a #2 so they can go find greener pastures --- that really makes some kind of sense to you, or were you joking?
I'd assume joking, but you never know on this board
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
MOST TALENTED BACK IN THIS DRAFT!!!!!111111111 :rollseyes:
jurb26
Footballguy
Anything is possible. What's most likely is that they don't think he's that good. It's possible he changes that but that appears to be where we stand right now.
Football Jones
Footballguy
I wouldn't read too much into him not getting any snaps at RB. All reports I've seen have Crowell looking good in camp. Many times, he's been the 3rd RB in behind Tate & West at practice.
I figured this is the way the Browns would handle it. He's got a short leash and most definitely has to prove himself. The question is can he realize his potential.
I figured this is the way the Browns would handle it. He's got a short leash and most definitely has to prove himself. The question is can he realize his potential.
Nero
Footballguy
jurb26
Footballguy
Not getting drafted, at all, wasn't enough "humble pie?"
Nero
Footballguy
Apparently not, because even after not getting drafted, Crowell was quoted as saying he feels if he could have made any team and he does not have anything to prove because he knows what he can do. Sounds like someone who needs more humble pie.
ORC
Footballguy
I'm in this boat. Forgetting about the character concerns for a minute and just evaluating his play on the field, I personally don't think he stands out among the best in this class. I want to see Charles Johnson, Jeff Janis, Da'Rick Rogers, and shockingly Terrance West type domination (I know Johnson and Janis are D2 guys).Bronco Billy said:
If you think Crowell is being held back by situation or coaches for motivational purposes, and he really is the most "talented" back in this class, then you must believe that without character concerns he would've been one of the Top 5 RBs off the board in the draft. To me, someone like Jeremy Hill looked far better against the SEC than Crowell did in the SWAC. I'd definitely be among the more surprised if he turns out to be anything decent.
