It's not a rebuild, it's a build. Home Theater A/V edition (1 Viewer)

[Koya]

I am looking to begin building a surround AV system for the future after having used the same speakers and receivers for av, and separates for audio, for 15 years. Much prefer going component by component to get best bang for the buck, plus I can use my current components and swap them out one at a time.

The beginning of this system will be the receiver, as it's both my weakest point in my current system and needed to go from analog to digital inputs (wtf was HDMI in 1997?). I'm looking to keep it under a grand, and am open to used / refurbished from very reputable dealers and would spend more if worth it, but it seems I can get a good value there.

Current leader: NAD T758 - looks like I can get for $900 or so, less emphasis on features and more on sound and, especially long term, that is the better investment IMO. Heck, I have used my current one for 15 years (also an NAD, Dolby 5.1) and it still sounds great.

Considering:

Pioneer / Elite, not sure which one.

Cambridge Audio if I find a good buy

Anthem but seems a bit out of price range

Yamaha - seems to be the best of the mid range brands (Onkyo, Marantz)

Sound quality is important above all for me, both movies and two channel audio. Audiophile at heart, mid range budget with low high end sound expectations - that's the goal. Willing to not have the name brand, the extra features etc for better sound replication.

[One note: my current front speakers are NHT 2.5i(not that I expect any / many have heard), which demand a decent amp to push. Great low sounds without a sub, and I'll likely have these for a while).]

 

[joffer]

I like Denon

How many channels do you need?

 

[Koya]

I like Denon

How many channels do you need?

Can't see not going for 7, unless there's a ridiculously compelling 5.1 option which I just don't see. I only have four speakers now (the NHT towers up front with separate 8" woofers mid and tweeter in each tower for a nice sound stage. Don't NEED a center or even a sub woofer, and I'm very sensitive to subs that end up too booming, electronic and unrealistic sounding. I don't need to make a source sound better nor bigger, just replicate what it's supposed to sound like.

 

[joffer]

Center channel is the most important speaker for movies bar none.

 

[Koya]

Center channel is the most important speaker for movies bar none.

It's likely my second purchase. I need HDMI and modern connections before anything else. That said, the soundstage one my system is very good so I don't really miss the center that much to be honest.

 

[Kev4029]

Center channel is the most important speaker for movies bar none.

It's likely my second purchase. I need HDMI and modern connections before anything else. That said, the soundstage one my system is very good so I don't really miss the center that much to be honest.

Along that end, this is often mentioned, but don't spend good money on HDMI cables. Hit up Monoprice or Amazon. I've had problems with the super cheap cables from Amazon not being able to carry a signal causing some stuttering, but the Amazon Basics and Monoprice cables I have are top notch.

 

[joffer]

http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AKDL1-Dedicated-Discontinued-Manufacturer/dp/B000I1X6PM/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1402794588&sr=1-1&keywords=denon+link+cable

A must have

 

[Ilov80s]

I need to update mine sometime before too long. I spent a lot on a nice Onkyo system. It's still very good, but getting outdated, especially as the connections go.

 

[cashman88]

Consider Harmon Kardon for your receiver. I find them to be a warm sounding receiver, like Marantz and Pio elite.

But I guess you should find out whether you like a warm sound or a bright sound. Though some people don't believe that distinction exists, I think it does and you can definitely tell the difference with speakers. I have B&W speakers (also warm sound) and they are much different sounding than equally priced speakers from Klipsch or other bright sounding speakers.

 

[Koya]

Consider Harmon Kardon for your receiver. I find them to be a warm sounding receiver, like Marantz and Pio elite.

But I guess you should find out whether you like a warm sound or a bright sound. Though some people don't believe that distinction exists, I think it does and you can definitely tell the difference with speakers. I have B&W speakers (also warm sound) and they are much different sounding than equally priced speakers from Klipsch or other bright sounding speakers.

Building my old stereo system, I learned a hell of a lot. I got my speakers because they were very detailed, however if you had an overly bright source or amplification it could cause

listeners fatigue. So I have a tubes stereo pre amp (Audible Illusions) and power amp (McCormack DNA .5) as the tubes give a tremendously realistic but warm sound.

That's also why I lean a bit toward the NAD. At least in my experience, they are a true to life, rounded like life (warm) representation and pair well with the NHTs. I do love the speakers and unless I'm going to spend 2,500 on an upgrade just don't see the value. Speakers will ironically be last in the build.

 

[Hawks64]

Lots of things to comment on, but first need to know the real budget before serious recommendations. Like you want to keep it under 1k but you don't seem married to the idea if a great value appears.

1. Are you wanting an AV receiver or a Pre/Pro with a separate Amp? You said Receiver but then said you need some serious amplification for the NHTs. Unless you get into the high end receivers that cost high 2ks to 4k you won't get serious amplification.

2. Are you married to the idea of keeping your current NHTs? Alot of newer speakers are starting to use a new tweeter that had the patent expire. It's a folded tweeter and the highs are amazing without being ear fatiguing. Check out www.goldenear.com

I am looking to begin building a surround AV system for the future after having used the same speakers and receivers for av, and separates for audio, for 15 years. Much prefer going component by component to get best bang for the buck, plus I can use my current components and swap them out one at a time.

The beginning of this system will be the receiver, as it's both my weakest point in my current system and needed to go from analog to digital inputs (wtf was HDMI in 1997?). I'm looking to keep it under a grand, and am open to used / refurbished from very reputable dealers and would spend more if worth it, but it seems I can get a good value there.

Current leader: NAD T758 - looks like I can get for $900 or so, less emphasis on features and more on sound and, especially long term, that is the better investment IMO. Heck, I have used my current one for 15 years (also an NAD, Dolby 5.1) and it still sounds great.

Considering:

Pioneer / Elite, not sure which one.
Cambridge Audio if I find a good buy
Anthem but seems a bit out of price range
Yamaha - seems to be the best of the mid range brands (Onkyo, Marantz)


Sound quality is important above all for me, both movies and two channel audio. Audiophile at heart, mid range budget with low high end sound expectations - that's the goal. Willing to not have the name brand, the extra features etc for better sound replication.



[One note: my current front speakers are NHT 2.5i(not that I expect any / many have heard), which demand a decent amp to push. Great low sounds without a sub, and I'll likely have these for a while).]

NAD is very good, however they are missing many modern features like Audyessy and limited HDMI inputs in the lower end models and even with the top of the line it only has 6 HDMI inputs. IMO the ranking of what you have listed is:

Anthem

Marantz

Denon(not on your list)

Pioneer Elite

Yamaha

I would not consider Onkyo or Cambridge. I personally think Onkyo sounds extremely bright and very muffled mid range. In fact I had their 2nd to top of the line receiver paired with the my Rotel amp and my speakers sounded like dog crap and I was never happy with it using my old Paradigms. Using the same Rotel amp the speakers (both my new ones and my old Paradigms sound worlds better).

Also, FYI not having the name brand doesn't make sense since all of your list is name brand, at least to a/v guys.

I like Denon

How many channels do you need?

Marantz is Denon's big brother and not that much of a price increase. And yes they are both very good. I have a Denon 3313CI paired with a Rotel Amp. Very nice.

Center channel is the most important speaker for movies bar none.

Agreed, as is the same drivers across the L/C/R for equal movement across the speakers with the action, which may be an issue if you keep using your NHTs.

Center channel is the most important speaker for movies bar none.

It's likely my second purchase. I need HDMI and modern connections before anything else. That said, the soundstage one my system is very good so I don't really miss the center that much to be honest.

You will miss a ton with just L/R, lots of detail especially with older 5.1 systems without equalization using something like Audyssey or Pioneer/Yamaha's home grown equalization.

Consider Harmon Kardon for your receiver. I find them to be a warm sounding receiver, like Marantz and Pio elite.

But I guess you should find out whether you like a warm sound or a bright sound. Though some people don't believe that distinction exists, I think it does and you can definitely tell the difference with speakers. I have B&W speakers (also warm sound) and they are much different sounding than equally priced speakers from Klipsch or other bright sounding speakers.

HK, used to be good but have fallen way off IMO. Agree that they are warm sounding but I don't have them in the same category as Marantz and a notch below Pioneer Elite.

 

[tonydead]

I prefer onkyo receivers. And call me old school but you better yell it out loud because I'm not going to hear you......cerwin vega

 

[Hawks64]

I prefer onkyo receivers. And call me old school but you better yell it out loud because I'm not going to hear you......cerwin vega

Audio is all personal preference but it sounds like Koya's tastes mirror mine, warmer more neutral and not bright. Onkyo tend to be much brighter receiver.

LOL. Cerwin Vega...lol. My old paradigms with the Rotel Amp I have right now had sustained db at seating level of around 135. I still had room to go up so I don't think volume is a problem in any mid end system and even less likely on a high end system.

 

[tommyboy]

I like Denon

How many channels do you need?

Me too. On my 2nd one, and the first one is in my garage powering two old Bose 901's. Nice thing about Denon is the power.

Unfortunately i dont think you can get truly high end for

A grand.

 

[jamny]

Planning on redoing our home theater next year. Will probably go with a Denon receiver again unless I go seperates. I have the 754 and love the warm sound. My theater is about 10 years old so my Sony 10HT will have to be replaced. Probably the only things staying are my 3 front KEF's and HSU sub.

and yes, center channels speaker is a must.

 

[Koya]

Great post Hawks. Let me try to go point by point.

Budget - My initial research shows that you can find a good deal on a 1000-1250 type receiver for maybe 800-900 and something of a plateau. Have to pick and choose what you will and won't have, but if I can get 90% performance and even more in the right areas by paying 800 as opposed to, say, that's great. Now, if somehow a 2,500 receiver value became available at 1100 or 1200, I'd have to think about it at least.

1. I want the best possible system, going piecemeal along the way. I'd prefer seperates, but just not sure how that can happen with my budget and patience level (unlike with my stereo where I found a deal on the audible illusions and waited to have enough money for the mccormack). In terms of serious amplification, we are only in need of a living room. More important is the nature of the amplification and the ability to drive certain speakers.

2. Not married to anything, but as I need to get out of 20 year old analog technology for the V part of the equation, it seems the best starting point and, as my receiver for HT is by the weak link. Eventually, I will likely replace the NHT's as well, but not until I probably have to full systems, with my tube/ss for stereo and this new one for HT. Very cool about the tweeter, will check it out.

NAD - I recognize the limited feature set. We just got an XBOX one for a lot of the media center ####, and if NAD gives me better sound but less features, I'm down. 4 HDMI is a concern, but again, for better sound that matches my speakers, I could work with it.

Anthem - Very, very interested but seems I will be closer to 1,500. Tell me more though.

Marantz - Not a huge fan, but I may need to relisten

Denon(not on your list) - See above. Never had great experience with their sound. Especially on my speakers.

Pioneer Elite - Seem to have a lot to offer, and while it shouldn't matter, any married person know it does, the wife likes them. If I'm trying to build a case to spend more, that comes into play.

While I know it's better to have a center channel, I never really built for theater, more audio. Now that I am, I suppose I can find something that is not too expensive.

 

[jamny]

While I know it's better to have a center channel, I never really built for theater, more audio. Now that I am, I suppose I can find something that is not too expensive.

Don't cheap out on the center channel. It should match your front L+R as closely as possible. A change in sound across the front will be a distraction.

 

[Koya]

While I know it's better to have a center channel, I never really built for theater, more audio. Now that I am, I suppose I can find something that is not too expensive.

Don't cheap out on the center channel. It should match your front L+R as closely as possible. A change in sound across the front will be a distraction.

Totally, but I think I can find either a used NHT or something that matches without breaking the bank. A few hundred, max? Again, I'm watching it right now, and the soundstage is surprisingly accurate in terms of sounds from left / right of the "screen"

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Sorry for the (brief) hijack, but this is something I've been wanting to ask for awhile and didn't want to start a new topic.

I have a pair of Advent speakers (big ones -- maybe Legacy II?) that are about 20 years old now. Are these worth keeping if I move to a serious AV system? The wife is not a fan, but I'm hesitant to give them up if they can be used and aren't giving up a ton of sound quality vs today's speakers.

 

[Koya]

Anyone know much about Emotiva? Not sure if its most flash and gimmick, or an under the radar company that spends the dollars inside the unit.

 

[higgins]

 

[jamny]

Sorry for the (brief) hijack, but this is something I've been wanting to ask for awhile and didn't want to start a new topic.

I have a pair of Advent speakers (big ones -- maybe Legacy II?) that are about 20 years old now. Are these worth keeping if I move to a serious AV system? The wife is not a fan, but I'm hesitant to give them up if they can be used and aren't giving up a ton of sound quality vs today's speakers.

I would say no. Advents were good music speakers but I don't think they have the tonal quality for video. Speaker quality has improved dramatically, even for the lower end. You can probably get $100 for them on craigslist. Move on.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Very happy with my Yamaha RX-A820. Have not used it to its fullest yet but this thing does everything I want it to. Got it last year. I think has an 830 now, which is the next generation model.

I bought it at Newegg for $500. I spent months researching receivers and watched this site regularly for the various receivers to rotate through Newegg discounts. If you're patient, you'll find a nice high-end receiver pop up and go on sale at a deep discount.

 

[Koya]

New Wrinkle: I'd have to somehow convince my wife to spend this now rather than wait, but I might be able to get an Anthem MRXR500 for $800, maybe bargain a hundred off from there. From a dealer, was a demo model.

Would think that would be tough to match.

 

[Hawks64]

Anyone know much about Emotiva? Not sure if its most flash and gimmick, or an under the radar company that spends the dollars inside the unit.

They are an interesting bunch. They delete ANYTHING negative about them on their forum and their first pre/pro was a complete and utter disaster. I was very interested in it based on the price point and the advertised functionality but wasn't interested in being an Alpha and then Beta tester. IMO they have a lot of half baked pre/pro products. Their amps however are supposed to be solid. To me that all adds up to stay away, but that's just me.

 

[Hawks64]

Great post Hawks. Let me try to go point by point.

Budget - My initial research shows that you can find a good deal on a 1000-1250 type receiver for maybe 800-900 and something of a plateau. Have to pick and choose what you will and won't have, but if I can get 90% performance and even more in the right areas by paying 800 as opposed to, say, that's great. Now, if somehow a 2,500 receiver value became available at 1100 or 1200, I'd have to think about it at least.

Ok, so definitely under the 1k unless something of a steal comes along the way.

1. I want the best possible system, going piecemeal along the way. I'd prefer seperates, but just not sure how that can happen with my budget and patience level (unlike with my stereo where I found a deal on the audible illusions and waited to have enough money for the mccormack). In terms of serious amplification, we are only in need of a living room. More important is the nature of the amplification and the ability to drive certain speakers.

Do you live near a specialty shop? Often you can work a deal if you get a whole system at once, ie receiver and speakers. I got a discount on my goldenear speakers by going all 5 at once, so maybe that's an option?How big of a room are we talking about? And I looked it up, the NHTs are very inefficient as well as 6 Ohms. Make sure whatever receiver you are looking at can handle 6 Ohms and I would say min of 125 RMS watts or volume may be an issue. The Denon's all handle 6 Ohms and decent wattage, that goes for Marantz as well. Anthem doesn't show 6 Ohm in their specs and Pioneer show 8 and 4 Ohm so I would assume 6 would be doable but it's not listed. I would also make sure you can audition it at home so you can make sure they work well with the NHTs.

2. Not married to anything, but as I need to get out of 20 year old analog technology for the V part of the equation, it seems the best starting point and, as my receiver for HT is by the weak link. Eventually, I will likely replace the NHT's as well, but not until I probably have to full systems, with my tube/ss for stereo and this new one for HT. Very cool about the tweeter, will check it out.

You can likely find NHT's AC1 which was their Center channel around the NHT 2.5i release time frame.

NAD - I recognize the limited feature set. We just got an XBOX one for a lot of the media center ####, and if NAD gives me better sound but less features, I'm down. 4 HDMI is a concern, but again, for better sound that matches my speakers, I could work with it.

Anthem - Very, very interested but seems I will be closer to 1,500. Tell me more though.

Marantz - Not a huge fan, but I may need to relisten

Denon(not on your list) - See above. Never had great experience with their sound. Especially on my speakers.

Pioneer Elite - Seem to have a lot to offer, and while it shouldn't matter, any married person know it does, the wife likes them. If I'm trying to build a case to spend more, that comes into play.

While I know it's better to have a center channel, I never really built for theater, more audio. Now that I am, I suppose I can find something that is not too expensive.

I can't find much on the NAD specs but I would assume that 6 Ohms wouldn't be an issue. I would try and listen to any of the receivers you are serious about with your speakers or other NHTs or find a shop that will let you audition at home. That's how I would approach it.

 

[Koya]

Anyone know much about Emotiva? Not sure if its most flash and gimmick, or an under the radar company that spends the dollars inside the unit.

They are an interesting bunch. They delete ANYTHING negative about them on their forum and their first pre/pro was a complete and utter disaster. I was very interested in it based on the price point and the advertised functionality but wasn't interested in being an Alpha and then Beta tester. IMO they have a lot of half baked pre/pro products. Their amps however are supposed to be solid. To me that all adds up to stay away, but that's just me.

I get the same feeling. It's a swing for the fences high downside choice, but damn it's intruiging. Fact is, if you end up with the 3rd or 4th best of the more traditional players you will have a pretty solid system at this price point, imo. Not out of this world, not able to blast a football stadium with sound, but very good quality and more than enough for 97% of applications.

 

[Hawks64]

Anyone know much about Emotiva? Not sure if its most flash and gimmick, or an under the radar company that spends the dollars inside the unit.

They are an interesting bunch. They delete ANYTHING negative about them on their forum and their first pre/pro was a complete and utter disaster. I was very interested in it based on the price point and the advertised functionality but wasn't interested in being an Alpha and then Beta tester. IMO they have a lot of half baked pre/pro products. Their amps however are supposed to be solid. To me that all adds up to stay away, but that's just me.

I get the same feeling. It's a swing for the fences high downside choice, but damn it's intruiging. Fact is, if you end up with the 3rd or 4th best of the more traditional players you will have a pretty solid system at this price point, imo. Not out of this world, not able to blast a football stadium with sound, but very good quality and more than enough for 97% of applications.

Definitely not very good sound quality IMO, unless you like audio issues, video switching issues, lock ups, etc. Definitely not wife friendly. Certainly wouldn't hurt to do their 30 day home trial to see if it sounds good and is stable.

 

[Koya]

Great post Hawks. Let me try to go point by point.

Budget - My initial research shows that you can find a good deal on a 1000-1250 type receiver for maybe 800-900 and something of a plateau. Have to pick and choose what you will and won't have, but if I can get 90% performance and even more in the right areas by paying 800 as opposed to, say, that's great. Now, if somehow a 2,500 receiver value became available at 1100 or 1200, I'd have to think about it at least.

Ok, so definitely under the 1k unless something of a steal comes along the way.

1. I want the best possible system, going piecemeal along the way. I'd prefer seperates, but just not sure how that can happen with my budget and patience level (unlike with my stereo where I found a deal on the audible illusions and waited to have enough money for the mccormack). In terms of serious amplification, we are only in need of a living room. More important is the nature of the amplification and the ability to drive certain speakers.

Do you live near a specialty shop? Often you can work a deal if you get a whole system at once, ie receiver and speakers. I got a discount on my goldenear speakers by going all 5 at once, so maybe that's an option?How big of a room are we talking about? And I looked it up, the NHTs are very inefficient as well as 6 Ohms. Make sure whatever receiver you are looking at can handle 6 Ohms and I would say min of 125 RMS watts or volume may be an issue. The Denon's all handle 6 Ohms and decent wattage, that goes for Marantz as well. Anthem doesn't show 6 Ohm in their specs and Pioneer show 8 and 4 Ohm so I would assume 6 would be doable but it's not listed. I would also make sure you can audition it at home so you can make sure they work well with the NHTs.

2. Not married to anything, but as I need to get out of 20 year old analog technology for the V part of the equation, it seems the best starting point and, as my receiver for HT is by the weak link. Eventually, I will likely replace the NHT's as well, but not until I probably have to full systems, with my tube/ss for stereo and this new one for HT. Very cool about the tweeter, will check it out.

You can likely find NHT's AC1 which was their Center channel around the NHT 2.5i release time frame.

NAD - I recognize the limited feature set. We just got an XBOX one for a lot of the media center ####, and if NAD gives me better sound but less features, I'm down. 4 HDMI is a concern, but again, for better sound that matches my speakers, I could work with it.

Anthem - Very, very interested but seems I will be closer to 1,500. Tell me more though.

Marantz - Not a huge fan, but I may need to relisten

Denon(not on your list) - See above. Never had great experience with their sound. Especially on my speakers.

Pioneer Elite - Seem to have a lot to offer, and while it shouldn't matter, any married person know it does, the wife likes them. If I'm trying to build a case to spend more, that comes into play.

While I know it's better to have a center channel, I never really built for theater, more audio. Now that I am, I suppose I can find something that is not too expensive.

I can't find much on the NAD specs but I would assume that 6 Ohms wouldn't be an issue. I would try and listen to any of the receivers you are serious about with your speakers or other NHTs or find a shop that will let you audition at home. That's how I would approach it.

Again, thanks. I really became knowledgeable about hi-fi from around '97-'06 or so, but it was, as noted, mostly stereo.

The NHT's are an interesting piece. Wrong pairing and they can really fatigue, but, especially for the price, are just awesome. As you note, they are not effecient - my OLD NAD kicks on it, however, and I'd be surprised if its much more than 60x2, as NAD's historically been very conservative in their numbers. I'd be shocked if the Anthem couldn't but need to check.

I have a few options for small stores, not as many as their used to be, for sure. But I will need to listen because of the need to pair right.

In terms of the NAD specs, here's Crutchfield, should be able to find cheaper.

 

[joffer]

I've had outstanding luck with electronicsexpo.com

 

[Koya]

I've had outstanding luck with electronicsexpo.com

Will check it out, Thanks.

 

[Hawks64]

Great post Hawks. Let me try to go point by point.

Budget - My initial research shows that you can find a good deal on a 1000-1250 type receiver for maybe 800-900 and something of a plateau. Have to pick and choose what you will and won't have, but if I can get 90% performance and even more in the right areas by paying 800 as opposed to, say, that's great. Now, if somehow a 2,500 receiver value became available at 1100 or 1200, I'd have to think about it at least.

Ok, so definitely under the 1k unless something of a steal comes along the way.

1. I want the best possible system, going piecemeal along the way. I'd prefer seperates, but just not sure how that can happen with my budget and patience level (unlike with my stereo where I found a deal on the audible illusions and waited to have enough money for the mccormack). In terms of serious amplification, we are only in need of a living room. More important is the nature of the amplification and the ability to drive certain speakers.

Do you live near a specialty shop? Often you can work a deal if you get a whole system at once, ie receiver and speakers. I got a discount on my goldenear speakers by going all 5 at once, so maybe that's an option?How big of a room are we talking about? And I looked it up, the NHTs are very inefficient as well as 6 Ohms. Make sure whatever receiver you are looking at can handle 6 Ohms and I would say min of 125 RMS watts or volume may be an issue. The Denon's all handle 6 Ohms and decent wattage, that goes for Marantz as well. Anthem doesn't show 6 Ohm in their specs and Pioneer show 8 and 4 Ohm so I would assume 6 would be doable but it's not listed. I would also make sure you can audition it at home so you can make sure they work well with the NHTs.

2. Not married to anything, but as I need to get out of 20 year old analog technology for the V part of the equation, it seems the best starting point and, as my receiver for HT is by the weak link. Eventually, I will likely replace the NHT's as well, but not until I probably have to full systems, with my tube/ss for stereo and this new one for HT. Very cool about the tweeter, will check it out.

You can likely find NHT's AC1 which was their Center channel around the NHT 2.5i release time frame.

NAD - I recognize the limited feature set. We just got an XBOX one for a lot of the media center ####, and if NAD gives me better sound but less features, I'm down. 4 HDMI is a concern, but again, for better sound that matches my speakers, I could work with it.

Anthem - Very, very interested but seems I will be closer to 1,500. Tell me more though.

Marantz - Not a huge fan, but I may need to relisten

Denon(not on your list) - See above. Never had great experience with their sound. Especially on my speakers.

Pioneer Elite - Seem to have a lot to offer, and while it shouldn't matter, any married person know it does, the wife likes them. If I'm trying to build a case to spend more, that comes into play.

While I know it's better to have a center channel, I never really built for theater, more audio. Now that I am, I suppose I can find something that is not too expensive.

I can't find much on the NAD specs but I would assume that 6 Ohms wouldn't be an issue. I would try and listen to any of the receivers you are serious about with your speakers or other NHTs or find a shop that will let you audition at home. That's how I would approach it.

Again, thanks. I really became knowledgeable about hi-fi from around '97-'06 or so, but it was, as noted, mostly stereo.

The NHT's are an interesting piece. Wrong pairing and they can really fatigue, but, especially for the price, are just awesome. As you note, they are not effecient - my OLD NAD kicks on it, however, and I'd be surprised if its much more than 60x2, as NAD's historically been very conservative in their numbers. I'd be shocked if the Anthem couldn't but need to check.

I have a few options for small stores, not as many as their used to be, for sure. But I will need to listen because of the need to pair right.

In terms of the NAD specs, here's Crutchfield, should be able to find cheaper.

Yep, NAD is very conservative and that's a good thing. They also always list at RMS which is also nice. As to the local stores hopefully they carry the brands you are looking at.

 

[makoman]

If you are ok with refurbished (and some new) receivers:

http://www.spearitsound.com/?gclid=CJeu7a6i_r4CFYRcMgodancACA

http://www.accessories4less.com/

Cambridge Audio

Denon

Marantz

NAD

Onkyo

In no order, just FYI...

 

[Koya]

If you are ok with refurbished (and some new) receivers:

http://www.spearitsound.com/?gclid=CJeu7a6i_r4CFYRcMgodancACA

http://www.accessories4less.com/

Cambridge Audio

Denon

Marantz

NAD

Onkyo

In no order, just FYI...

Thanks.Would do refurbed from a reputable place with warranty.

ETA: ey do have an NAD 758 refurb for 800, perhaps could knock a hundred off that. Anyone have experience with these guys?

 

[Koya]

In the interim, is there a converter to allow a pass though of our XBOX's HDMI video but split off and convert the audio to RCA ?

Nm. Just bought on for delivery tomorrow to hold me over. Basically to allow gaming in surround mode.

 

[The Tick]

Another thing to consider would be to plan to go with separate receiver/amps. I think I was the other way around where I had the receiver, but needed to do a quick speaker upgrade where I couldn't do an in house test. I considered upgrading amps as the new speakers were a 4Ohm load and took some power, but I decided to just give my receiver a shot and plan to go with separate amps for LCR if I didn't like how it sounded.

I looked at the high end receivers, and I just wasn't too happy with them. The high end audio companies always seem to be behind in connectivity and software/user features. They have hands down better amps, but when you are talking home theater, you need that other side also. That front end is also the part that has to keep changing, how many receivers out now will support 4K TV's? I honestly don't know the question to that, but changes like that to TV tech can push receiver upgrades. if you really need that high end amp power, a good, but less expensive receiver could be a great front end, something like a mid priced pioneer or dennon.

In my case I thought my Pioneer handled the 4Ohm's pretty well, and I decided not to get a separate amp.

 

[Koya]

Great stuff, thx.

As of now, things have come full circle. He Anthem got me curious, but after more research and checking out a couple places in person, not sure I'll get better sound than the NAD, and perhaps not even as good sound in terms of matching my speakers.

So, NAD T758 followed by the Anthem 510 if I could get it cheap, then the Pioneer Elite at this point.

I can deal with less features for better sound especially as other devices cover those apps, and there is a modular design so I can swap out Audio and Video components as technology advances, without having to get a whole new system. Can likely get it for 850-900.

 

[Hawks64]

Great stuff, thx.

As of now, things have come full circle. He Anthem got me curious, but after more research and checking out a couple places in person, not sure I'll get better sound than the NAD, and perhaps not even as good sound in terms of matching my speakers.

So, NAD T758 followed by the Anthem 510 if I could get it cheap, then the Pioneer Elite at this point.

I can deal with less features for better sound especially as other devices cover those apps, and there is a modular design so I can swap out Audio and Video components as technology advances, without having to get a whole new system. Can likely get it for 850-900.

Well with those speakers I would likely be leaning NAD as well, I would also try out the Denon. Certainly wouldn't hurt.

 

[Koya]

Great stuff, thx.

As of now, things have come full circle. He Anthem got me curious, but after more research and checking out a couple places in person, not sure I'll get better sound than the NAD, and perhaps not even as good sound in terms of matching my speakers.

So, NAD T758 followed by the Anthem 510 if I could get it cheap, then the Pioneer Elite at this point.

I can deal with less features for better sound especially as other devices cover those apps, and there is a modular design so I can swap out Audio and Video components as technology advances, without having to get a whole new system. Can likely get it for 850-900.

Well with those speakers I would likely be leaning NAD as well, I would also try out the Denon. Certainly wouldn't hurt.

I'll give it a shot, no loss for sure.

I just see the NAD / Anthem / Elite a step above Marantz / Denon / Yamaha all things being equal. Part research, part personal experience - and with those experiences, biases, fair and otherwise.

But the musicality plus upgrade ability and my brand loyalty with a 15 year old NAD that still kicks ### is probably going to be too much to overcome.

 

[Hawks64]

Great stuff, thx.

As of now, things have come full circle. He Anthem got me curious, but after more research and checking out a couple places in person, not sure I'll get better sound than the NAD, and perhaps not even as good sound in terms of matching my speakers.

So, NAD T758 followed by the Anthem 510 if I could get it cheap, then the Pioneer Elite at this point.

I can deal with less features for better sound especially as other devices cover those apps, and there is a modular design so I can swap out Audio and Video components as technology advances, without having to get a whole new system. Can likely get it for 850-900.

Well with those speakers I would likely be leaning NAD as well, I would also try out the Denon. Certainly wouldn't hurt.

I'll give it a shot, no loss for sure.

I just see the NAD / Anthem / Elite a step above Marantz / Denon / Yamaha all things being equal. Part research, part personal experience - and with those experiences, biases, fair and otherwise.

But the musicality plus upgrade ability and my brand loyalty with a 15 year old NAD that still kicks ### is probably going to be too much to overcome.

I understand that, love Rotel and Paradigm, but both have gone through some major changes as the companies have grown.

 

[tommyboy]

For $600 i traded a pair of 1973 Bose series 2, 901's back to Bose for a pair of brand new series 6, 901's. It will take 3-4 wks, but i cant wait to hear a modern pair of 901's the old ones could really thump.

 

[Koya]

Great stuff, thx.

As of now, things have come full circle. He Anthem got me curious, but after more research and checking out a couple places in person, not sure I'll get better sound than the NAD, and perhaps not even as good sound in terms of matching my speakers.

So, NAD T758 followed by the Anthem 510 if I could get it cheap, then the Pioneer Elite at this point.

I can deal with less features for better sound especially as other devices cover those apps, and there is a modular design so I can swap out Audio and Video components as technology advances, without having to get a whole new system. Can likely get it for 850-900.

Well with those speakers I would likely be leaning NAD as well, I would also try out the Denon. Certainly wouldn't hurt.

I'll give it a shot, no loss for sure.I just see the NAD / Anthem / Elite a step above Marantz / Denon / Yamaha all things being equal. Part research, part personal experience - and with those experiences, biases, fair and otherwise.

But the musicality plus upgrade ability and my brand loyalty with a 15 year old NAD that still kicks ### is probably going to be too much to overcome.

I understand that, love Rotel and Paradigm, but both have gone through some major changes as the companies have grown.

I specifically inquired about Rotel. As you mention, there's apparently been some changes at the company (seems to have happened to a lot of higher end brands over the last decade or so) and while still really good, perhaps a bit overpriced and won't fit my budget regardless.

Now it's just up to convincing the wife.

 

[El Floppo]

doot doot.

 

[Courtjester]

Yeah, I am really happy to see this thread because I am starting to do research on a new surround sound system. Now mind you I have a 15 year old Sony Theater in a Box. Don't knock it because this thing was pretty gosh darn amazing for the $400.00 I probably spent on it, but the center channel just up and died this week.

I have a fairly new Sony 55 inch, standard Sony blu ray, xbox 360, ps4 and ps3s to run off this. The challenge is our living room is big and has 22 foot ceilings, so all the sound goes up.

My budget is limited at this point--not by my choice (wife needs a new car, braces for the 15 year old, new stove, Hawaii vacation etc) you guys get the picture. So surround sound just isn't a (her) priority at this point. So I told her I would try and do the 800-900 range.

I was looking at Energy Take Classic 5.1 Speakers about $399.00 and then I need an amp. I was looking at some of the Sony 7.1 amps that were in the $500 range--maybe the DN1040? I sort of like Sony stuff, but I need something that is going to work in this big room.

Any thoughts??

 

[joffer]

I'll take this opportunity to plug for PowerSound Audio for subwoofers. These things kick ###.

 

[Koya]

Yeah, I am really happy to see this thread because I am starting to do research on a new surround sound system. Now mind you I have a 15 year old Sony Theater in a Box. Don't knock it because this thing was pretty gosh darn amazing for the $400.00 I probably spent on it, but the center channel just up and died this week.

I have a fairly new Sony 55 inch, standard Sony blu ray, xbox 360, ps4 and ps3s to run off this. The challenge is our living room is big and has 22 foot ceilings, so all the sound goes up.

My budget is limited at this point--not by my choice (wife needs a new car, braces for the 15 year old, new stove, Hawaii vacation etc) you guys get the picture. So surround sound just isn't a (her) priority at this point. So I told her I would try and do the 800-900 range.

I was looking at Energy Take Classic 5.1 Speakers about $399.00 and then I need an amp. I was looking at some of the Sony 7.1 amps that were in the $500 range--maybe the DN1040? I sort of like Sony stuff, but I need something that is going to work in this big room.

Any thoughts??

In all honesty, I think your brand loyalty could hurt you here. There's a reason that Sony hasn't been mentioned in this thread as their product is simply not on par with the more musically focused companies.

At $500 I'd be looking at Yamaha, Pioneer or a low end Elite on a deal, Denon and probably marantz, if they have something in your budget.

You could get lucky and get an 800-1000 dollar piece that is open box with warranty or a recently discontinued model of an NAD, Marantz or Pioneer Elite as well.

As far as speakers id have to look but I'd get speakers that give you flexibility moving forward if you want to upgrade piecemeal.

Since you are looking to get speakers and an amp at the same time, you should definitely audition them together as different amps will sound better / worse depending upon how they match with a specific set of speakers.

 

[Hawks64]

Great stuff, thx.

As of now, things have come full circle. He Anthem got me curious, but after more research and checking out a couple places in person, not sure I'll get better sound than the NAD, and perhaps not even as good sound in terms of matching my speakers.

So, NAD T758 followed by the Anthem 510 if I could get it cheap, then the Pioneer Elite at this point.

I can deal with less features for better sound especially as other devices cover those apps, and there is a modular design so I can swap out Audio and Video components as technology advances, without having to get a whole new system. Can likely get it for 850-900.

Well with those speakers I would likely be leaning NAD as well, I would also try out the Denon. Certainly wouldn't hurt.

I'll give it a shot, no loss for sure.I just see the NAD / Anthem / Elite a step above Marantz / Denon / Yamaha all things being equal. Part research, part personal experience - and with those experiences, biases, fair and otherwise.

But the musicality plus upgrade ability and my brand loyalty with a 15 year old NAD that still kicks ### is probably going to be too much to overcome.

I understand that, love Rotel and Paradigm, but both have gone through some major changes as the companies have grown.

I specifically inquired about Rotel. As you mention, there's apparently been some changes at the company (seems to have happened to a lot of higher end brands over the last decade or so) and while still really good, perhaps a bit overpriced and won't fit my budget regardless.

Now it's just up to convincing the wife.

Both used to be a GREAT value for performance....not so much anymore They can take my Rotel amp when they pry it from my cold dead hands...or it dies.

 

[Hawks64]

Yeah, I am really happy to see this thread because I am starting to do research on a new surround sound system. Now mind you I have a 15 year old Sony Theater in a Box. Don't knock it because this thing was pretty gosh darn amazing for the $400.00 I probably spent on it, but the center channel just up and died this week.

I have a fairly new Sony 55 inch, standard Sony blu ray, xbox 360, ps4 and ps3s to run off this. The challenge is our living room is big and has 22 foot ceilings, so all the sound goes up.

My budget is limited at this point--not by my choice (wife needs a new car, braces for the 15 year old, new stove, Hawaii vacation etc) you guys get the picture. So surround sound just isn't a (her) priority at this point. So I told her I would try and do the 800-900 range.

I was looking at Energy Take Classic 5.1 Speakers about $399.00 and then I need an amp. I was looking at some of the Sony 7.1 amps that were in the $500 range--maybe the DN1040? I sort of like Sony stuff, but I need something that is going to work in this big room.

Any thoughts??

In all honesty, I think your brand loyalty could hurt you here. There's a reason that Sony hasn't been mentioned in this thread as their product is simply not on par with the more musically focused companies.

At $500 I'd be looking at Yamaha, Pioneer or a low end Elite on a deal, Denon and probably marantz, if they have something in your budget.

You could get lucky and get an 800-1000 dollar piece that is open box with warranty or a recently discontinued model of an NAD, Marantz or Pioneer Elite as well.

As far as speakers id have to look but I'd get speakers that give you flexibility moving forward if you want to upgrade piecemeal.

Since you are looking to get speakers and an amp at the same time, you should definitely audition them together as different amps will sound better / worse depending upon how they match with a specific set of speakers.

To be perfectly honest at the total budget of 800-900 I would look into sound bars with a sub. No matter what you get you won't be able to handle a room that size so you might as well go with something that the wife will like :shurg:

 

[Koya]

Great stuff, thx.

As of now, things have come full circle. He Anthem got me curious, but after more research and checking out a couple places in person, not sure I'll get better sound than the NAD, and perhaps not even as good sound in terms of matching my speakers.

So, NAD T758 followed by the Anthem 510 if I could get it cheap, then the Pioneer Elite at this point.

I can deal with less features for better sound especially as other devices cover those apps, and there is a modular design so I can swap out Audio and Video components as technology advances, without having to get a whole new system. Can likely get it for 850-900.

Well with those speakers I would likely be leaning NAD as well, I would also try out the Denon. Certainly wouldn't hurt.

I'll give it a shot, no loss for sure.I just see the NAD / Anthem / Elite a step above Marantz / Denon / Yamaha all things being equal. Part research, part personal experience - and with those experiences, biases, fair and otherwise.

But the musicality plus upgrade ability and my brand loyalty with a 15 year old NAD that still kicks ### is probably going to be too much to overcome.

I understand that, love Rotel and Paradigm, but both have gone through some major changes as the companies have grown.

I specifically inquired about Rotel. As you mention, there's apparently been some changes at the company (seems to have happened to a lot of higher end brands over the last decade or so) and while still really good, perhaps a bit overpriced and won't fit my budget regardless.Now it's just up to convincing the wife.

Both used to be a GREAT value for performance....not so much anymore They can take my Rotel amp when they pry it from my cold dead hands...or it dies.

I remember looking at Rotels way back when I bought my last NAD (97?). Was just too expensive.

It's really so hard to get any objective "truth" in this game. Between brand blindness, dealership relationships and deals, inventory at the dealer and manufacturer level and just personal preference, there are SO many freakin opinions. It seemed easier to study this back in '97 as opposed to now for some reason.

For example, I go one place and they slam NAD as having reliability issues but none of my other research suggests that (NONE). He recommends integra. I hadn't really considers them but now had second thoughts.

I go somewhere else and they LOVE the NAD, sell a ton, and STOPPED carrying the integra because of all the returns. Fwiw, this second place has been around forever, and is where I bought my McCormack amp way back.

Just so difficult to wade through it all. You really need to actually listen, if possible.

 

[Koya]

Yeah, I am really happy to see this thread because I am starting to do research on a new surround sound system. Now mind you I have a 15 year old Sony Theater in a Box. Don't knock it because this thing was pretty gosh darn amazing for the $400.00 I probably spent on it, but the center channel just up and died this week.

I have a fairly new Sony 55 inch, standard Sony blu ray, xbox 360, ps4 and ps3s to run off this. The challenge is our living room is big and has 22 foot ceilings, so all the sound goes up.

My budget is limited at this point--not by my choice (wife needs a new car, braces for the 15 year old, new stove, Hawaii vacation etc) you guys get the picture. So surround sound just isn't a (her) priority at this point. So I told her I would try and do the 800-900 range.

I was looking at Energy Take Classic 5.1 Speakers about $399.00 and then I need an amp. I was looking at some of the Sony 7.1 amps that were in the $500 range--maybe the DN1040? I sort of like Sony stuff, but I need something that is going to work in this big room.

Any thoughts??

In all honesty, I think your brand loyalty could hurt you here. There's a reason that Sony hasn't been mentioned in this thread as their product is simply not on par with the more musically focused companies.

At $500 I'd be looking at Yamaha, Pioneer or a low end Elite on a deal, Denon and probably marantz, if they have something in your budget.

You could get lucky and get an 800-1000 dollar piece that is open box with warranty or a recently discontinued model of an NAD, Marantz or Pioneer Elite as well.

As far as speakers id have to look but I'd get speakers that give you flexibility moving forward if you want to upgrade piecemeal.

Since you are looking to get speakers and an amp at the same time, you should definitely audition them together as different amps will sound better / worse depending upon how they match with a specific set of speakers.

To be perfectly honest at the total budget of 800-900 I would look into sound bars with a sub. No matter what you get you won't be able to handle a room that size so you might as well go with something that the wife will like :shurg:

Whoa, kimosabe. Gotta be a way we can help a fellow FFAer.

Open box to maximize the ROI and he can find something that may not "fill" the room, but gives good enough punch and accuracy to wow folks and enjoy, day to day.