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Ivory and Ingram next week @ OAK (1 Viewer)

Assuming Sproles is out again I think both Ingram and Ivory are worthy RB3s. What's going to be interesting is seeing what happens when Sproles returns. Ingram and Ivory have both looked good the last two games and have helped give the Saints some balance.

 
I see a lot of sharks just posting names with out any reasons. But then again thats all it takes to sell some people on players. Obviously people think just saying a name of a player is good enough reason I suppose.

 
Any update on the Sproles situation? I searched and couldn't find a thread about him and I really haven't heard too much from any news sources.

 
I never saw the last game against Atlanta, but he looked great against philly. at times reminded me of SJax in STL. He seems to run the ball the same way. only problem: shared carries in a passing offense.

 
Sproles owner, I picked up Ivory before the games last week. If Sproles doesn't go I'm throwing Ivory in there. He's just looked better from what I've seen. Running with a chip on his shoulder, probably from being stuck on the practice squad all this time. He just looks like he has something to prove out there, and he's doing just that.

 
Lets keep,this thread going because I'm guessing a lot of us have one of either Ivory, Ingram or Thomas to go along with other options. Me personally I'm considering Ivory over Mathews to go with Spiller.

Amazingly, Thomas and Ingram are on my WW and I have a shot at either on Wednesday.

Anyway, how do you rank these three for this coming week?

Assuming NO gets a nice lead, I'd rank Thomas last of the bunch. S what about the other two? Ingram had double the carries last week. A sign of things to come?

 
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'Kwai Chang Caine said:
Lets keep,this thread going because I'm guessing a lot of us have one of either Ivory, Ingram or Thomas to go along with other options. Me personally I'm considering Ivory over Mathews to go with Spiller.Amazingly, Thomas and Ingram are on my WW and I have a shot at either on Wednesday.Anyway, how do you rank these three for this coming week?Assuming NO gets a nice lead, I'd rank Thomas last of the bunch. S what about the other two? Ingram had double the carries last week. A sign of things to come?
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I think the fact that Ingram got 16 carries was rather telling, especially after the NO coaching staff made some comments that he was "finally" healthy:http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-falcons-blog/2012/11/07/qa-with-saints-coach-joe-vitt-who-apparently-doesnt-have-a-crystal-ball/But who knows, its a ####### crapshoot with NO. All you do know is that the game should get out of hand and NO might start running more.
 
I personally dont think it will get out of hand. But i can see why some do. Take a look at the numbers, NOs D has been playing much better. Stout against the run and they been making huge plays. Seems like they are finally buying into ol stevie spags..

 
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Disclaimer: I did not come in here to suggest the Raiders defense that has allowed 97 points over the last 2 games isn't a great matchup. Or even that Saints RB's aren't strong plays.

But I do have a question. Why does anyone here think Brees will take the path of greater resistance when the Raiders secondary is his personal candy shop at Halloween? Why run the ball when chunks of yards are there waiting to be taken by playing pepper throw-catch with his receivers?

Consider that Ray Rice got 13/35/1 and his backup Pierce 10/23/0 last week. Flacco got a one yard GL plunge and the kicker got a gimmick TD run. The Ravens as a team ran the ball 28 times for 78 yards and 3 TD's, for a paltry 2.8 YPC.

Now the rushing TD's do look nice, but considering the RB split, any of the Saint RBs are desperation upside plays reliant on GL looks. Not saying playing Ingram, Ivory, or Thomas won't pay off, but you're guessing which one. And with the Raiders secondary, I don't see how Brees passes on the opportunity to put on a clinic dissecting them through the air.

 
I'm getting Marion Barber flashbacks from Ivory. That isn't necessarily a warm and fuzzy considering how his career finished, but that guy was a stud for a couple seasons. Still wishing Pitt had traded for him.

 
'Raiderfan32904 said:
Disclaimer: I did not come in here to suggest the Raiders defense that has allowed 97 points over the last 2 games isn't a great matchup. Or even that Saints RB's aren't strong plays. But I do have a question. Why does anyone here think Brees will take the path of greater resistance when the Raiders secondary is his personal candy shop at Halloween? Why run the ball when chunks of yards are there waiting to be taken by playing pepper throw-catch with his receivers? Consider that Ray Rice got 13/35/1 and his backup Pierce 10/23/0 last week. Flacco got a one yard GL plunge and the kicker got a gimmick TD run. The Ravens as a team ran the ball 28 times for 78 yards and 3 TD's, for a paltry 2.8 YPC.Now the rushing TD's do look nice, but considering the RB split, any of the Saint RBs are desperation upside plays reliant on GL looks. Not saying playing Ingram, Ivory, or Thomas won't pay off, but you're guessing which one. And with the Raiders secondary, I don't see how Brees passes on the opportunity to put on a clinic dissecting them through the air.
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Ya know that's some really insightful stuff. Gives me pause. In fact, I barely won last week because my opponent didn't have Rice go off like expected. Hmmmmmm........
 
'Kwai Chang Caine said:
'Raiderfan32904 said:
Disclaimer: I did not come in here to suggest the Raiders defense that has allowed 97 points over the last 2 games isn't a great matchup. Or even that Saints RB's aren't strong plays. But I do have a question. Why does anyone here think Brees will take the path of greater resistance when the Raiders secondary is his personal candy shop at Halloween? Why run the ball when chunks of yards are there waiting to be taken by playing pepper throw-catch with his receivers? Consider that Ray Rice got 13/35/1 and his backup Pierce 10/23/0 last week. Flacco got a one yard GL plunge and the kicker got a gimmick TD run. The Ravens as a team ran the ball 28 times for 78 yards and 3 TD's, for a paltry 2.8 YPC.Now the rushing TD's do look nice, but considering the RB split, any of the Saint RBs are desperation upside plays reliant on GL looks. Not saying playing Ingram, Ivory, or Thomas won't pay off, but you're guessing which one. And with the Raiders secondary, I don't see how Brees passes on the opportunity to put on a clinic dissecting them through the air.
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Ya know that's some really insightful stuff. Gives me pause. In fact, I barely won last week because my opponent didn't have Rice go off like expected. Hmmmmmm........
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I'll play devils advocate, you saw what Ivory did with 7 carries last week?
 
I think Thomas is droppable at this point. His upside is rather low and with Ivory and Ingram both getting more involved, I don't think he's worth having.

Ivory is the potential homerun, and Ingram is probably more likely to get you consistent performance (simply based on touches).

 
'P Park Pimps said:
'Kwai Chang Caine said:
'Raiderfan32904 said:
Disclaimer: I did not come in here to suggest the Raiders defense that has allowed 97 points over the last 2 games isn't a great matchup. Or even that Saints RB's aren't strong plays. But I do have a question. Why does anyone here think Brees will take the path of greater resistance when the Raiders secondary is his personal candy shop at Halloween? Why run the ball when chunks of yards are there waiting to be taken by playing pepper throw-catch with his receivers? Consider that Ray Rice got 13/35/1 and his backup Pierce 10/23/0 last week. Flacco got a one yard GL plunge and the kicker got a gimmick TD run. The Ravens as a team ran the ball 28 times for 78 yards and 3 TD's, for a paltry 2.8 YPC.Now the rushing TD's do look nice, but considering the RB split, any of the Saint RBs are desperation upside plays reliant on GL looks. Not saying playing Ingram, Ivory, or Thomas won't pay off, but you're guessing which one. And with the Raiders secondary, I don't see how Brees passes on the opportunity to put on a clinic dissecting them through the air.
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Ya know that's some really insightful stuff. Gives me pause. In fact, I barely won last week because my opponent didn't have Rice go off like expected. Hmmmmmm........
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I'll play devils advocate, you saw what Ivory did with 7 carries last week?
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I saw what he did with one carry -- 56 yards!I didn't see what he did with the other 6 carries because he only got 16 yards on those.oak certainly got a dougie dropped on them a couple weeks ago, but outside of that week, I don't know that they've been particularly poor vs the run.I wouldn't say ivory is the worst desperation play, but that's probably all he is, imo.on the flip side, ronnie hillman put up 86 yards on these saints a couple weeks ago -- I wonder if taiwan is any worse of a desperation play this week.
 
'solorca said:
I think Thomas is droppable at this point. His upside is rather low and with Ivory and Ingram both getting more involved, I don't think he's worth having.

Ivory is the potential homerun, and Ingram is probably more likely to get you consistent performance (simply based on touches).
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:goodposting: I'd sign Ivory if you think you need the potential for a big game because of the likely scoring output of your FF opponent this week.

 
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'Raider Nation said:
Seems silly not to let Sproles heal up for another week. It's not like they'll need him.
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They've piled up too many losses and can't afford to lose a game like this. In a league like the NFL where any team can beat another on any given week (these very same Raiders have already beaten Pittsburgh and taken Atlanta down to the final play this year), there are no assumptions. Not to mention, the Saints have already lost to several teams worse than the Raiders.
 
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'KellysHeroes said:
I would play Ingram over Ivory
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I was high on Ivory, but not excited about the time share. (still not)then I looked further and I totally forgot Ingram was a first round pick This does not guarantee anything, but it is rare that teams will not give the first shot at the high draft pick.Ingram will get every chance to prove the saints were right in drafting him in the first round. He was hurt all of last year, and is likely still not 100%. In limited play he is averaging over 4 yards per carry over the last 2 games. I can see them keeping Ingrams carries at around 15 per game with Ivory at 6-10. I cant see this changing unless Ingram does poorly, gets injured, or fumbles the ball away. Not that Ivory cant win the job, I just think he has limited opportunities. now, if he pulls another long run for a TD, I could see the coaches giving him more reps, but he has to be REALLY good to get there.Assuming he does all that I mentioned above, I'd say that Ivory will need at least 2 or 3 more games before they even think about naming him the starter.if you need a one or two game filler, I'd take Ingram.
 
'Ray_T said:
'KellysHeroes said:
I would play Ingram over Ivory
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I was high on Ivory, but not excited about the time share. (still not)then I looked further and I totally forgot Ingram was a first round pick This does not guarantee anything, but it is rare that teams will not give the first shot at the high draft pick.Ingram will get every chance to prove the saints were right in drafting him in the first round. He was hurt all of last year, and is likely still not 100%. In limited play he is averaging over 4 yards per carry over the last 2 games. I can see them keeping Ingrams carries at around 15 per game with Ivory at 6-10. I cant see this changing unless Ingram does poorly, gets injured, or fumbles the ball away. Not that Ivory cant win the job, I just think he has limited opportunities. now, if he pulls another long run for a TD, I could see the coaches giving him more reps, but he has to be REALLY good to get there.Assuming he does all that I mentioned above, I'd say that Ivory will need at least 2 or 3 more games before they even think about naming him the starter.if you need a one or two game filler, I'd take Ingram.
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What about giving your team the best chance to win? If wins and losses dictate playing time/opportunity... who gets the largest share then?
 
'shadyridr said:
'Raider Nation said:
'footballnerd said:
'Raider Nation said:
Seems silly not to let Sproles heal up for another week. It's not like they'll need him.
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if they're trying to make a run of a wildcard spot they need him in there now.
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Perhaps you haven't seen who they're playing this week.
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They lost to the Chiefs
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Do you think they're playing a bit better now than in week 3? Not to mention they have Head Coach B now instead of Head Coach C.
 
I'm a saints fan and I love the way Ivory runs, but he'll never be a 15/20 carry guy consistently in New Orleans. I also doubt he is the dominant ball carrier anywhere else. The simple fact is that he is a very violent runner, and he can't withstand that many carries without changing his style. He has had injury issues(head & shoulder I believe), and it makes no sense for either the Saints or Ivory to beat him into the ground.

7-10 ferocious carries a game seems just about right for Ivory.

 
'fiddystorms said:
'Ray_T said:
'KellysHeroes said:
I would play Ingram over Ivory
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I was high on Ivory, but not excited about the time share. (still not)then I looked further and I totally forgot Ingram was a first round pick This does not guarantee anything, but it is rare that teams will not give the first shot at the high draft pick.Ingram will get every chance to prove the saints were right in drafting him in the first round. He was hurt all of last year, and is likely still not 100%. In limited play he is averaging over 4 yards per carry over the last 2 games. I can see them keeping Ingrams carries at around 15 per game with Ivory at 6-10. I cant see this changing unless Ingram does poorly, gets injured, or fumbles the ball away. Not that Ivory cant win the job, I just think he has limited opportunities. now, if he pulls another long run for a TD, I could see the coaches giving him more reps, but he has to be REALLY good to get there.Assuming he does all that I mentioned above, I'd say that Ivory will need at least 2 or 3 more games before they even think about naming him the starter.if you need a one or two game filler, I'd take Ingram.
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What about giving your team the best chance to win? If wins and losses dictate playing time/opportunity... who gets the largest share then?
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well, the general concensus is the more talented player gives you the best chance to win.If this administration drafted Ingram in the first round, they have to believe he is a superior talent. (otherwise you would have to ask why they drafted him in round 1) They will give him a shot. and it's not like he has performed badly. He's also played well. as mentioned earlier, it is also questionable whether Ivory can run like that for 15-20 carries per game throughout the season without hurting himself. I havnt done any research in this regard, but if he has had injuries in the past, this may be one reason why they limit his carries.Honestly, he reminds me of Marion Barber. He runs with reckless abandon. Probably will have a short career because of it, but when the light shines, it will shine bright.
 
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