J Addai vs. D Williams (1 Viewer)

[Raiders]

Let me preface this by saying that after the NFL draft last year, Addai shot up to the number 2 spot for Rb's on my board. However, I know that my oppinion was for sure not the consensus.

I was recently offered D Williams and the 3rd pick in my rookie draft, for J Addai. This got me thinking. D Williams was pretty much universaly regarded as the better prospect at this time last year. Have their situations and production numbers changed so much in the course of the last 7 months that now Addai is worth the same as Williams plus M Lynch or J Russel etc? Or is my league mate that made the offer just in love with Addai now. Personaly I think that Addai is in the much better situation, but that D Williams is the better talent. So it's almost a wash. Considering the fact that I already have R Brown, R Bush, and K Jones, I'm thinking this could be a nice gamble to take Williams and the number 3.

 

[Chunky Soup]

dude. this is a long and convoluted post that should go in the AC forum. FWIW, Addai >> DWill. As far as adding the pick onto the DWill side, its probably close.

 

[gman8343]

I'm a big Williams fan, and recently traded Addai for Williams, Santana Moss and an '08 1st rounder. Addai is definately in the best situation, but I really think Williams shines this year at some point, though he may not start out as the full time RB.

 

[Napoleon Dynamite]

Let me preface this by saying that after the NFL draft last year, Addai shot up to the number 2 spot for Rb's on my board. However, I know that my oppinion was for sure not the consensus. I was recently offered D Williams and the 3rd pick in my rookie draft, for J Addai. This got me thinking. D Williams was pretty much universaly regarded as the better prospect at this time last year. Have their situations and production numbers changed so much in the course of the last 7 months that now Addai is worth the same as Williams plus M Lynch or J Russel etc? Or is my league mate that made the offer just in love with Addai now. Personaly I think that Addai is in the much better situation, but that D Williams is the better talent. So it's almost a wash. Considering the fact that I already have R Brown, R Bush, and K Jones, I'm thinking this could be a nice gamble to take Williams and the number 3.

It's a gamble worth taking, if you have decent starters already. It's a great way to trade 1 starting RB for potentially 2 starting RBs

 

[Raiders]

dude. this is a long and convoluted post that should go in the AC forum. FWIW, Addai >> DWill. As far as adding the pick onto the DWill side, its probably close.

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I'm not really looking for advice as to whether or not I should do this trade but rather trying to determine the value desparity between the two players, and because it is a little wierd that their values have flip flopped so soon, have they flipped so much that the number 3 pick is the great equalizer?

I posted this here because I wanted football opinions on the players, not conformation as to whether or not its a good trade for me.

 

[KellysHeroes]

By taking the deal.. u realize that DeWill at the worst has to wait one more season, usually 1st round RBs are given the rock fulltime by their 3rd yr unless their name is Chris Perry .

Sounds like you have the depth to do this..

 

[KellysHeroes]

I'm not really looking for advice as to whetere or not I should do this trade but rather trying to determine the value desparity between the two players, and because it is a little wierd that their values have flip flopped so soon, have the flipped so much that the number 3 pick is the great equalizer?

Their value Flip-flopped due to the fact that DeWill still has a starter infront of him... If Addai still had Rhodes and Maroney still had Dillon there.. there values wouldn't be that far off.DeWill would still be rated lower than Addai, Maroney, & MoJo.. but not by a whole round or 2.

 

[cstu]

It's a no-brainer to sell high on Addai right now and get two very good players out of it.

 

[Kit Fisto]

DeAngelo Williams and Marshawn Lynch for Joe Addai?

All day.

 

[Family Matters]

Let me preface this by saying that after the NFL draft last year, Addai shot up to the number 2 spot for Rb's on my board. However, I know that my oppinion was for sure not the consensus.

I was recently offered D Williams and the 3rd pick in my rookie draft, for J Addai. This got me thinking. D Williams was pretty much universaly regarded as the better prospect at this time last year. Have their situations and production numbers changed so much in the course of the last 7 months that now Addai is worth the same as Williams plus M Lynch or J Russel etc? Or is my league mate that made the offer just in love with Addai now. Personaly I think that Addai is in the much better situation, but that D Williams is the better talent. So it's almost a wash. Considering the fact that I already have R Brown, R Bush, and K Jones, I'm thinking this could be a nice gamble to take Williams and the number 3.

It's a gamble worth taking, if you have decent starters already. It's a great way to trade 1 starting RB for potentially 2 starting RBs

I'm going to question this thinking as a way to make a point. I really don't disagree with the advice just a different way to see this.If the objective is to obtain a solid stud type player (and I think it is) then what you are doing in this example is trading away a sure fire stud (Addai) for potential in later years. Why would you want to trade away what is likely a top 7 guy for someone that probably never will be? Finding guys like Addai is what we all strive for so trading what is money in the bank for a stock that "might" be worth something in a few years isn't the most sound investment philsophy I've seen.

Sometimes the best trade is the one you don't make.

 

[cstu]

Let me preface this by saying that after the NFL draft last year, Addai shot up to the number 2 spot for Rb's on my board. However, I know that my oppinion was for sure not the consensus.

I was recently offered D Williams and the 3rd pick in my rookie draft, for J Addai. This got me thinking. D Williams was pretty much universaly regarded as the better prospect at this time last year. Have their situations and production numbers changed so much in the course of the last 7 months that now Addai is worth the same as Williams plus M Lynch or J Russel etc? Or is my league mate that made the offer just in love with Addai now. Personaly I think that Addai is in the much better situation, but that D Williams is the better talent. So it's almost a wash. Considering the fact that I already have R Brown, R Bush, and K Jones, I'm thinking this could be a nice gamble to take Williams and the number 3.

It's a gamble worth taking, if you have decent starters already. It's a great way to trade 1 starting RB for potentially 2 starting RBs

I'm going to question this thinking as a way to make a point. I really don't disagree with the advice just a different way to see this.If the objective is to obtain a solid stud type player (and I think it is) then what you are doing in this example is trading away a sure fire stud (Addai) for potential in later years. Why would you want to trade away what is likely a top 7 guy for someone that probably never will be? Finding guys like Addai is what we all strive for so trading what is money in the bank for a stock that "might" be worth something in a few years isn't the most sound investment philsophy I've seen.

Sometimes the best trade is the one you don't make.

That's true if you are a believer in Addai, however if you think that he's too highly ranked based on his experience and injury history then you take 2 potential studs.

 

[Family Matters]

Let me preface this by saying that after the NFL draft last year, Addai shot up to the number 2 spot for Rb's on my board. However, I know that my oppinion was for sure not the consensus.

I was recently offered D Williams and the 3rd pick in my rookie draft, for J Addai. This got me thinking. D Williams was pretty much universaly regarded as the better prospect at this time last year. Have their situations and production numbers changed so much in the course of the last 7 months that now Addai is worth the same as Williams plus M Lynch or J Russel etc? Or is my league mate that made the offer just in love with Addai now. Personaly I think that Addai is in the much better situation, but that D Williams is the better talent. So it's almost a wash. Considering the fact that I already have R Brown, R Bush, and K Jones, I'm thinking this could be a nice gamble to take Williams and the number 3.

It's a gamble worth taking, if you have decent starters already. It's a great way to trade 1 starting RB for potentially 2 starting RBs

I'm going to question this thinking as a way to make a point. I really don't disagree with the advice just a different way to see this.If the objective is to obtain a solid stud type player (and I think it is) then what you are doing in this example is trading away a sure fire stud (Addai) for potential in later years. Why would you want to trade away what is likely a top 7 guy for someone that probably never will be? Finding guys like Addai is what we all strive for so trading what is money in the bank for a stock that "might" be worth something in a few years isn't the most sound investment philsophy I've seen.

Sometimes the best trade is the one you don't make.

That's true if you are a believer in Addai, however if you think that he's too highly ranked based on his experience and injury history then you take 2 potential studs.

That's an interesting response. How many years of injury free NFL experience do you thin is needed before he's no longer too highly ranked? I find the part about experience to be contradictive to the guys that we say are too old. I've never had a stud RB that was too young. As for his injury history, its been at least a college season and an NFL season since he's had a problem. If he can handle the riggors of the NFL then I think our question is answered. But if you still think he has worts then I understand. I would say we can talk ourselves out of any RB with this thinking.

 

[Routilla]

Addai easily. He's in a better offense.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Addai easily. He's in a better offense.

Normally, I'd weigh team situation much less heavily for dynasty purposes, and I feel that DeAngelo is a more talented player. That said, if any situation stability stability in today's fluid NFL landscape, it is that of the Colts. As long is Manning is taking the snaps, Indy will have an elite offense, so Addai will produce.However, Addai isn't worth more than Williams and 1.03 IMO, and it really isn't even all that close.

 

[Kit Fisto]

Let me preface this by saying that after the NFL draft last year, Addai shot up to the number 2 spot for Rb's on my board. However, I know that my oppinion was for sure not the consensus.

I was recently offered D Williams and the 3rd pick in my rookie draft, for J Addai. This got me thinking. D Williams was pretty much universaly regarded as the better prospect at this time last year. Have their situations and production numbers changed so much in the course of the last 7 months that now Addai is worth the same as Williams plus M Lynch or J Russel etc? Or is my league mate that made the offer just in love with Addai now. Personaly I think that Addai is in the much better situation, but that D Williams is the better talent. So it's almost a wash. Considering the fact that I already have R Brown, R Bush, and K Jones, I'm thinking this could be a nice gamble to take Williams and the number 3.

It's a gamble worth taking, if you have decent starters already. It's a great way to trade 1 starting RB for potentially 2 starting RBs

I'm going to question this thinking as a way to make a point. I really don't disagree with the advice just a different way to see this.If the objective is to obtain a solid stud type player (and I think it is) then what you are doing in this example is trading away a sure fire stud (Addai) for potential in later years. Why would you want to trade away what is likely a top 7 guy for someone that probably never will be? Finding guys like Addai is what we all strive for so trading what is money in the bank for a stock that "might" be worth something in a few years isn't the most sound investment philsophy I've seen.

Sometimes the best trade is the one you don't make.

Addai is a sure-fire stud? Not so sure I agree with that.

 

[Routilla]

Addai easily. He's in a better offense.

Normally, I'd weigh team situation much less heavily for dynasty purposes, and I feel that DeAngelo is a more talented player. That said, if any situation stability stability in today's fluid NFL landscape, it is that of the Colts. As long is Manning is taking the snaps, Indy will have an elite offense, so Addai will produce.However, Addai isn't worth more than Williams and 1.03 IMO, and it really isn't even all that close.

The thread title asked between the 2 going forward, If this was about a trade scenerio then it should have been in the AC forum.

 

[cstu]

Let me preface this by saying that after the NFL draft last year, Addai shot up to the number 2 spot for Rb's on my board. However, I know that my oppinion was for sure not the consensus.

I was recently offered D Williams and the 3rd pick in my rookie draft, for J Addai. This got me thinking. D Williams was pretty much universaly regarded as the better prospect at this time last year. Have their situations and production numbers changed so much in the course of the last 7 months that now Addai is worth the same as Williams plus M Lynch or J Russel etc? Or is my league mate that made the offer just in love with Addai now. Personaly I think that Addai is in the much better situation, but that D Williams is the better talent. So it's almost a wash. Considering the fact that I already have R Brown, R Bush, and K Jones, I'm thinking this could be a nice gamble to take Williams and the number 3.

It's a gamble worth taking, if you have decent starters already. It's a great way to trade 1 starting RB for potentially 2 starting RBs

I'm going to question this thinking as a way to make a point. I really don't disagree with the advice just a different way to see this.If the objective is to obtain a solid stud type player (and I think it is) then what you are doing in this example is trading away a sure fire stud (Addai) for potential in later years. Why would you want to trade away what is likely a top 7 guy for someone that probably never will be? Finding guys like Addai is what we all strive for so trading what is money in the bank for a stock that "might" be worth something in a few years isn't the most sound investment philsophy I've seen.

Sometimes the best trade is the one you don't make.

That's true if you are a believer in Addai, however if you think that he's too highly ranked based on his experience and injury history then you take 2 potential studs.

That's an interesting response. How many years of injury free NFL experience do you thin is needed before he's no longer too highly ranked? I find the part about experience to be contradictive to the guys that we say are too old. I've never had a stud RB that was too young. As for his injury history, its been at least a college season and an NFL season since he's had a problem. If he can handle the riggors of the NFL then I think our question is answered. But if you still think he has worts then I understand. I would say we can talk ourselves out of any RB with this thinking.

I'm just saying that I'd like to see more than 220 carries before taking him in the top 10. He wasn't nearly as good as people seem to think he was (the 4 TD game vs. the Eagles is what most people remember when they think of Addai). He had a good game against KC in the playoffs but was average the rest of the way.

 

[chook]

I'm just saying that I'd like to see more than 220 carries before taking him in the top 10. He wasn't nearly as good as people seem to think he was (the 4 TD game vs. the Eagles is what most people remember when they think of Addai). He had a good game against KC in the playoffs but was average the rest of the way.

Didn't he catch the pill 10 times by halftime in a very rainy SB?

 

[cstu]

I'm just saying that I'd like to see more than 220 carries before taking him in the top 10. He wasn't nearly as good as people seem to think he was (the 4 TD game vs. the Eagles is what most people remember when they think of Addai). He had a good game against KC in the playoffs but was average the rest of the way.

Didn't he catch the pill 10 times by halftime in a very rainy SB?

He did, and I know he's a good pass catching back and good back overall. My issue is with his ranking, not with him, and I can't get on board with him as a top 10 dynasty back. It seems to me that his 4 TD game and winning the SB is skewing people's valuation of him as a fantasy back.

 

[chook]

I'm just saying that I'd like to see more than 220 carries before taking him in the top 10. He wasn't nearly as good as people seem to think he was (the 4 TD game vs. the Eagles is what most people remember when they think of Addai). He had a good game against KC in the playoffs but was average the rest of the way.

Didn't he catch the pill 10 times by halftime in a very rainy SB?

He did, and I know he's a good pass catching back and good back overall. My issue is with his ranking, not with him, and I can't get on board with him as a top 10 dynasty back. It seems to me that his 4 TD game and winning the SB is skewing people's valuation of him as a fantasy back.

Fair enough. However I'm somewhat the opposite, in that I feel he did everything that his coaches asked of him last season - so much so that he helped his team win the Superbowl.Now in his second season, with a years' experience behind him in what is still the most explosive offense in the league, his coaches will ask him to lift his production from last season with Rhodes gone. I see no reason why he can't do what is asked of him yet again, therefore becoming quite a valuable fantasy commodity.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

I don't think there is much talent difference between Addai and DeAngelo, in fact based on talent alone i'd probably side with DWilliams.

Addai is clearly in a better situation though, but getting the 1.3 pick on top of Williams makes it a no brainer IMO.

 

[Rev]

I own both. I'd actually go with Williams long term. I think he's got a better skill set, but not by that much.

 

[freeannyong]

You have to keep in mind that the Colts will NOT resign Addai. This has to be a factor in a dynasty league.

 

[Family Matters]

I'm just saying that I'd like to see more than 220 carries before taking him in the top 10. He wasn't nearly as good as people seem to think he was (the 4 TD game vs. the Eagles is what most people remember when they think of Addai). He had a good game against KC in the playoffs but was average the rest of the way.

Didn't he catch the pill 10 times by halftime in a very rainy SB?

He did, and I know he's a good pass catching back and good back overall. My issue is with his ranking, not with him, and I can't get on board with him as a top 10 dynasty back. It seems to me that his 4 TD game and winning the SB is skewing people's valuation of him as a fantasy back.

So if he did that well sharing the rock and will now be the man, you don't think his performance will be better? The problem is if you keep waiting to see him get 300+ carries and log a top 5/7 season thin you're behind the curve watching him on everyone els's team. Finding guys like this before everyone knows how good they are is how you can get ahead in FF. I know you know that but I think you're being overly conservative here.

If I understand your concern, it's because he only has 220+ carries? What exactly did you see that makes you think he'll have a problem with say 300 carries? Because there is plenty to see that suggests he's in or a great season and career.

 

[Family Matters]

I don't think there is much talent difference between Addai and DeAngelo, in fact based on talent alone i'd probably side with DWilliams.

Addai is clearly in a better situation though, but getting the 1.3 pick on top of Williams makes it a no brainer IMO.

Really? Is their situation important to you? Will that have any impact on how well they'll do? DWill is in a RBBC at best and in fact he could see a disproportionately low amount of carries to Foster. Not saying he will but that's his risk. So why would someone want to trade out of a player like Addai to get someone that might not be a starter for 2 or more years? DWill is very talented but he's not a good fantasy option right now. Addai is.

 

[Family Matters]

You have to keep in mind that the Colts will NOT resign Addai. This has to be a factor in a dynasty league.

You must have some insider knowlege. Care to elaborate or are you just

 

[chook]

You have to keep in mind that the Colts will NOT resign Addai. This has to be a factor in a dynasty league.

Whaaaaaaaa?!?!!

 

[cstu]

I'm just saying that I'd like to see more than 220 carries before taking him in the top 10. He wasn't nearly as good as people seem to think he was (the 4 TD game vs. the Eagles is what most people remember when they think of Addai). He had a good game against KC in the playoffs but was average the rest of the way.

Didn't he catch the pill 10 times by halftime in a very rainy SB?

He did, and I know he's a good pass catching back and good back overall. My issue is with his ranking, not with him, and I can't get on board with him as a top 10 dynasty back. It seems to me that his 4 TD game and winning the SB is skewing people's valuation of him as a fantasy back.

So if he did that well sharing the rock and will now be the man, you don't think his performance will be better? The problem is if you keep waiting to see him get 300+ carries and log a top 5/7 season thin you're behind the curve watching him on everyone els's team. Finding guys like this before everyone knows how good they are is how you can get ahead in FF. I know you know that but I think you're being overly conservative here.

If I understand your concern, it's because he only has 220+ carries? What exactly did you see that makes you think he'll have a problem with say 300 carries? Because there is plenty to see that suggests he's in or a great season and career.

My main concern is that a guy with only 220 carries is considered the #8 overall dynasty player. If he was even a few spots lower I wouldn't have a problem with it since I think he's a good RB in a very good situation. I just think it's a mistake to take him that high after he only finished as the #44 player in PPR last year.

 

[KellysHeroes]

My main concern is that a guy with only 220 carries is considered the #8 overall dynasty player. If he was even a few spots lower I wouldn't have a problem with it since I think he's a good RB in a very good situation. I just think it's a mistake to take him that high after he only finished as the #44 player in PPR last year.

I agree w/ ya... I'm seeing Willie Parker & Portis be passed up for the 2nd yr RBs.. to me thats a little crazy..

 

[Couch Potato]

You have to keep in mind that the Colts will NOT resign Addai. This has to be a factor in a dynasty league.

Addai's rookie contract is for 5 years, through 2010 (same for DeAngelo Williams by the way). I'm not worrying about whether he re-signs in 2011 at this point, when Manning will be 35.

 

[Routilla]

You have to keep in mind that the Colts will NOT resign Addai. This has to be a factor in a dynasty league.

Addai's rookie contract is for 5 years, through 2010 (same for DeAngelo Williams by the way). I'm not worrying about whether he re-signs in 2011 at this point, when Manning will be 35.

 

[Family Matters]

I'm just saying that I'd like to see more than 220 carries before taking him in the top 10. He wasn't nearly as good as people seem to think he was (the 4 TD game vs. the Eagles is what most people remember when they think of Addai). He had a good game against KC in the playoffs but was average the rest of the way.

Didn't he catch the pill 10 times by halftime in a very rainy SB?

He did, and I know he's a good pass catching back and good back overall. My issue is with his ranking, not with him, and I can't get on board with him as a top 10 dynasty back. It seems to me that his 4 TD game and winning the SB is skewing people's valuation of him as a fantasy back.

So if he did that well sharing the rock and will now be the man, you don't think his performance will be better? The problem is if you keep waiting to see him get 300+ carries and log a top 5/7 season thin you're behind the curve watching him on everyone els's team. Finding guys like this before everyone knows how good they are is how you can get ahead in FF. I know you know that but I think you're being overly conservative here.

If I understand your concern, it's because he only has 220+ carries? What exactly did you see that makes you think he'll have a problem with say 300 carries? Because there is plenty to see that suggests he's in or a great season and career.

My main concern is that a guy with only 220 carries is considered the #8 overall dynasty player. If he was even a few spots lower I wouldn't have a problem with it since I think he's a good RB in a very good situation. I just think it's a mistake to take him that high after he only finished as the #44 player in PPR last year.

For the record, in the newest dynasty rankings he's RB18 by Smith and Pasquino and 11 by Bloom. For the record, the only RB's I would take over him for certain are in no paticular order:LJ

LT

Gore

Jackson

These guys are probably better in some ways but still have warts:

Bush-terrible YPC but awesome PPR.

Westbrook-can't stay healthy (never payed 16 games) but otherwise gold.

Portis has health questions as well.

Brown, Parker and the rest, I'll take Addai every time until he proves he's not able.

 

[Pipes]

I'd take Addai over those other two all day. It's all about quality not quantity. Yeah Williams and Lynch are decent backs but Williams is stuck in a RBBC with Foster, who's a decent back himself and Lynch could end up in a similar situation.

Addai is the man in the most dynamic offense in football. While I agree it may not be a bad time to move him due to the sell high theory...I'd just try to get more proven players than Williams/Lynch.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Portis has health questions as well.

Parker and the rest, I'll take Addai every time until he proves he's not able.

Please read http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=313796What is this injury history that people put on Portis.. not like he suffered a knee injury.. he had a broken hand..

Portis is a proven back.. 1500+ in 4 yrs and almost 1400 in another yr..

Plus; he only played 8 games last yr which to me means he rested. He'll only be 26 when the season starts; less than 2 yrs older than Addai.

Parker had a top 10 RB yr in his first yr starting... and he won't even be 27 when the season starts..

Addai, Maroney, MoJo, DeWill.. all these 2nd yr players still have growing pains and are very likely to be injuried or slow down as the season wears on them when taking a full-load.. I don't see how its smart to pass proven players that are in their prime for these guys..

 

[Routilla]

Portis has health questions as well.

Parker and the rest, I'll take Addai every time until he proves he's not able.

Please read http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=313796What is this injury history that people put on Portis.. not like he suffered a knee injury.. he had a broken hand..

Portis is a proven back.. 1500+ in 4 yrs and almost 1400 in another yr..

Plus; he only played 8 games last yr which to me means he rested. He'll only be 26 when the season starts; less than 2 yrs older than Addai.

Parker had a top 10 RB yr in his first yr starting... and he won't even be 27 when the season starts..

Addai, Maroney, MoJo, DeWill.. all these 2nd yr players still have growing pains and are very likely to be injuried or slow down as the season wears on them when taking a full-load.. I don't see how its smart to pass proven players that are in their prime for these guys..

I see Addai as a top 5 RB this year. Maroney, DWill are not comparable right now since they have not produced consistently as the #1 back. Portis has not not gotten within 1 yard of his YPC AVG when at DEN. I'm still pissed that Shanny traded him to WAS, there's no telling what he would have done in DEN over 7-8 years. I'm not that concerned about his injuries, just that teams can key on the WAS run game and that makes his yards tough to get. But I do like CP this year in terms of value as I think he can slide having only played 8 games last year. I for one like all the talk about the youngsters, it may allow CP to slip far enough for me to get him as my 2nd RB.

 

[Family Matters]

Portis has health questions as well.

Parker and the rest, I'll take Addai every time until he proves he's not able.

Please read http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=313796What is this injury history that people put on Portis.. not like he suffered a knee injury.. he had a broken hand..

Portis is a proven back.. 1500+ in 4 yrs and almost 1400 in another yr..

Plus; he only played 8 games last yr which to me means he rested. He'll only be 26 when the season starts; less than 2 yrs older than Addai.

Parker had a top 10 RB yr in his first yr starting... and he won't even be 27 when the season starts..

Addai, Maroney, MoJo, DeWill.. all these 2nd yr players still have growing pains and are very likely to be injuried or slow down as the season wears on them when taking a full-load.. I don't see how its smart to pass proven players that are in their prime for these guys..

Portis has played 16 games twice in his career. He's coming off an injury so while he's well rested it's for a good reason. So that's why there's some reason for tempered enthusiasm. As for Parker, he's follwed a similar path as Addai. His first year being the primamry back he carried it 255 times. Last year as the feature he carried it 337 times. In non PPR leagues I like Parker better than I do in PPR leagues. But in PPR I think that gives Addai the advantage when you project out 300 carries.So I think I can buy into a guy likeing Parker as much or more than Addai. Portis is very talented but has had some injury issues that hurt you in FF. I happen to like Addai better because he projects out well in Indy.

 

[RD1967]

Let me preface this by saying that after the NFL draft last year, Addai shot up to the number 2 spot for Rb's on my board. However, I know that my oppinion was for sure not the consensus.

I was recently offered D Williams and the 3rd pick in my rookie draft, for J Addai. This got me thinking. D Williams was pretty much universaly regarded as the better prospect at this time last year. Have their situations and production numbers changed so much in the course of the last 7 months that now Addai is worth the same as Williams plus M Lynch or J Russel etc? Or is my league mate that made the offer just in love with Addai now. Personaly I think that Addai is in the much better situation, but that D Williams is the better talent. So it's almost a wash. Considering the fact that I already have R Brown, R Bush, and K Jones, I'm thinking this could be a nice gamble to take Williams and the number 3.

It's a gamble worth taking, if you have decent starters already. It's a great way to trade 1 starting RB for potentially 2 starting RBs

I'm going to question this thinking as a way to make a point. I really don't disagree with the advice just a different way to see this.If the objective is to obtain a solid stud type player (and I think it is) then what you are doing in this example is trading away a sure fire stud (Addai) for potential in later years. Why would you want to trade away what is likely a top 7 guy for someone that probably never will be? Finding guys like Addai is what we all strive for so trading what is money in the bank for a stock that "might" be worth something in a few years isn't the most sound investment philsophy I've seen.

Sometimes the best trade is the one you don't make.

Addai is a sure-fire stud? Not so sure I agree with that.

I did not drink the Williams Kool Aid last year and I am still not sold on him being anymore than a solid third round situatinal back. Sorry I aint buying.

 

[freeannyong]

You have to keep in mind that the Colts will NOT resign Addai. This has to be a factor in a dynasty league.

Addai's rookie contract is for 5 years, through 2010 (same for DeAngelo Williams by the way). I'm not worrying about whether he re-signs in 2011 at this point, when Manning will be 35.

Manning has said he will play 7 more years which would be through 2014. And obviously the Colts will have too much money tied up other places to resign a RB. It is just something worth noting that Addai will be with the Colts only through 2010 while DWilliams will be with the Panthers and in a run first system his entire career.

 

[freeannyong]

You have to keep in mind that the Colts will NOT resign Addai. This has to be a factor in a dynasty league.

You must have some insider knowlege. Care to elaborate or are you just

Colts homer. They have all of their money tied up in QB, WR's, TE, LT to give Addai a big contract after his is up. And as you have seen they have been able to replace Faulk and Edge easily. Nothing will change.

 

[Routilla]

You have to keep in mind that the Colts will NOT resign Addai. This has to be a factor in a dynasty league.

Addai's rookie contract is for 5 years, through 2010 (same for DeAngelo Williams by the way). I'm not worrying about whether he re-signs in 2011 at this point, when Manning will be 35.

Manning has said he will play 7 more years which would be through 2014. And obviously the Colts will have too much money tied up other places to resign a RB. It is just something worth noting that Addai will be with the Colts only through 2010 while DWilliams will be with the Panthers and in a run first system his entire career.

There is no guarantee DWill be in CAR his entire career. Right now Addai is clearly in a better offense. 2010 is 4 years away. No way Addai is not the better risk going forward based on the next 4 years and the offenses of the 2 teams. We will have to disagree.

 

[switz]

You have to keep in mind that the Colts will NOT resign Addai. This has to be a factor in a dynasty league.

Addai's rookie contract is for 5 years, through 2010 (same for DeAngelo Williams by the way). I'm not worrying about whether he re-signs in 2011 at this point, when Manning will be 35.

Manning has said he will play 7 more years which would be through 2014. And obviously the Colts will have too much money tied up other places to resign a RB. It is just something worth noting that Addai will be with the Colts only through 2010 while DWilliams will be with the Panthers and in a run first system his entire career.

What ensures Williams will be in CAR his whole career? Or that CAR will be a run-first team? Fox is on the hot seat, who knows what system the next coach brings in.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I am extremely high on Addai and in dynasty value him in a tier right after the big guys.

Tier 1

LT

SJackson

L. Johnson

T2

Addai and 3-4 others.

Addai is in the most consistent offensive team in football as the number 1 RB. I was happy to get Addai at the 10 spot in dynasty this year and paired him off with Portis on the way back. If Portis was not injured last year he would easily be regarded as a Tier 1 rb this season making him a value play in round 2.

I don't think Williams and Lynch are as valuable as having Addai for the forseeable future. Fortunately for myself though I have the 3rd pick in the rookie draft where I will more then likely take Lynch.

I don't think it would surprise many people if any at all if Addai finished the season as a top 3-5 RB this year; that alone should say somthing.

 

[Righetti]

DeAngelo Williams and Marshawn Lynch for Joe Addai?All day.

Getting Adrian Peterson in this deal makes it a x 2

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I don't think it would surprise many people if any at all if Addai finished the season as a top 3-5 RB this year; that alone should say somthing.

It would surprise me if he saw enough touches to make it into the top 3 - 5. This is a guy who split time throughout his entire college career (career high 187 carries), a trend which continued last year with the Colts. During the playoff run, the splits between Addai and Rhodes were 25/13, 18/14, 14/14, and 19/21. Rhodes wasn't one of those guys who was good enough that he just had to be on the field, either. I wouldn't bank on Addai seeing the 350 - 400 touches that he'll need to ascend into the top tier. Not saying that it couldn't happen, but I think it likely that the Colts bring in another RB to take some of the pounding. Addai could easily settle in around the 250 carry neighborhood. I think he is a pretty safe bet to finish in the top 10 - 12, but top-5 seems a bit unlikely to me.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I don't think it would surprise many people if any at all if Addai finished the season as a top 3-5 RB this year; that alone should say somthing.

It would surprise me if he saw enough touches to make it into the top 3 - 5. This is a guy who split time throughout his entire college career (career high 187 carries), a trend which continued last year with the Colts. During the playoff run, the splits between Addai and Rhodes were 25/13, 18/14, 14/14, and 19/21. Rhodes wasn't one of those guys who was good enough that he just had to be on the field, either. I wouldn't bank on Addai seeing the 350 - 400 touches that he'll need to ascend into the top tier. Not saying that it couldn't happen, but I think it likely that the Colts bring in another RB to take some of the pounding. Addai could easily settle in around the 250 carry neighborhood. I think he is a pretty safe bet to finish in the top 10 - 12, but top-5 seems a bit unlikely to me.

I see your point, however, I think that between carries and receptions that Addai will easily get around 360-380 total touches this season.Remember Addai in split time as a rookie had 226 carries with 40 receptions for a total of 1406 yards and 8 total TDs. I think it is a safe to say that those numbers are all going to go up. I project 290-300 carries and 50-60 receptions. For around 360 total touches and I feel 12-15 Td's is very reachable.I think Addai with 295 carries at 4.5 YPC (last year he averaged 4.8) would give him 1328 rushing yards. Also tack on 55 receptions at 8 yards per reception (last year he averaged 8.1) to give him 440 yards.So I project about 1700 to 1800 yards on offense with 12-15 TD's.To look even deeper he would only need to average 3.75 more rushing attempts per game to go from 226 carries to 286 carries. So I don't think it is out of the question that he could average 3.75 more rushes per game to get him to the 290 carries for the season. And only 1 extra reception a game would get him to 55 receptions.I really think his future is bright.

 

[Routilla]

I don't think it would surprise many people if any at all if Addai finished the season as a top 3-5 RB this year; that alone should say somthing.

It would surprise me if he saw enough touches to make it into the top 3 - 5. This is a guy who split time throughout his entire college career (career high 187 carries), a trend which continued last year with the Colts. During the playoff run, the splits between Addai and Rhodes were 25/13, 18/14, 14/14, and 19/21. Rhodes wasn't one of those guys who was good enough that he just had to be on the field, either. I wouldn't bank on Addai seeing the 350 - 400 touches that he'll need to ascend into the top tier. Not saying that it couldn't happen, but I think it likely that the Colts bring in another RB to take some of the pounding. Addai could easily settle in around the 250 carry neighborhood. I think he is a pretty safe bet to finish in the top 10 - 12, but top-5 seems a bit unlikely to me.

I see your point, however, I think that between carries and receptions that Addai will easily get around 360-380 total touches this season.Remember Addai in split time as a rookie had 226 carries with 40 receptions for a total of 1406 yards and 8 total TDs. I think it is a safe to say that those numbers are all going to go up. I project 290-300 carries and 50-60 receptions. For around 360 total touches and I feel 12-15 Td's is very reachable.I think Addai with 295 carries at 4.5 YPC (last year he averaged 4.8) would give him 1328 rushing yards. Also tack on 55 receptions at 8 yards per reception (last year he averaged 8.1) to give him 440 yards.So I project about 1700 to 1800 yards on offense with 12-15 TD's.To look even deeper he would only need to average 3.75 more rushing attempts per game to go from 226 carries to 286 carries. So I don't think it is out of the question that he could average 3.75 more rushes per game to get him to the 290 carries for the season. And only 1 extra reception a game would get him to 55 receptions.I really think his future is bright.

Good analysis. Very reasonable indeed.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I don't think it would surprise many people if any at all if Addai finished the season as a top 3-5 RB this year; that alone should say somthing.

It would surprise me if he saw enough touches to make it into the top 3 - 5. This is a guy who split time throughout his entire college career (career high 187 carries), a trend which continued last year with the Colts. During the playoff run, the splits between Addai and Rhodes were 25/13, 18/14, 14/14, and 19/21. Rhodes wasn't one of those guys who was good enough that he just had to be on the field, either. I wouldn't bank on Addai seeing the 350 - 400 touches that he'll need to ascend into the top tier. Not saying that it couldn't happen, but I think it likely that the Colts bring in another RB to take some of the pounding. Addai could easily settle in around the 250 carry neighborhood. I think he is a pretty safe bet to finish in the top 10 - 12, but top-5 seems a bit unlikely to me.

I see your point, however, I think that between carries and receptions that Addai will easily get around 360-380 total touches this season.Remember Addai in split time as a rookie had 226 carries with 40 receptions for a total of 1406 yards and 8 total TDs. I think it is a safe to say that those numbers are all going to go up. I project 290-300 carries and 50-60 receptions. For around 360 total touches and I feel 12-15 Td's is very reachable.I think Addai with 295 carries at 4.5 YPC (last year he averaged 4.8) would give him 1328 rushing yards. Also tack on 55 receptions at 8 yards per reception (last year he averaged 8.1) to give him 440 yards.So I project about 1700 to 1800 yards on offense with 12-15 TD's.To look even deeper he would only need to average 3.75 more rushing attempts per game to go from 226 carries to 286 carries. So I don't think it is out of the question that he could average 3.75 more rushes per game to get him to the 290 carries for the season. And only 1 extra reception a game would get him to 55 receptions.I really think his future is bright.

We might have a better handle on things based on whether the Colts draft a RB on Saturday. The fact that Addai split carries in college, and then split carries last year with a player (Rhodes) who I feel was much less talented, makes me wonder if he will be most effective as part of a RBBC. Obviously, if Indy doesn't move to acquire another RB, then that will be a vote of confidence in Addai.Maybe I'll end up missing out, but until I see him carry the load for a full season, I'll be sceptical of his ability to do so.

 

[Da Guru]

DWilly seems to have some game, but I don`t trust John Fox. I can see Fox using a RBBC again this year.

 

[KellysHeroes]

DWilly seems to have some game, but I don`t trust John Fox. I can see Fox using a RBBC again this year.

duh

 

[Da Guru]

DWilly seems to have some game, but I don`t trust John Fox. I can see Fox using a RBBC again this year.

duh

RBBC..a combination of more than one "feature" running back.