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J. Finley going forward? (1 Viewer)

I have Finley and A. Hernandez, and bye week aside, I have no intention of starting Finley ever again. :shrug: I'd drop him if necessary to fill in a legit scoring position, and would probably chuckle at the mad frenzy to pick him up. Anyone who did would almost certainly start him every week. They'd feel awfully good the one or two more weeks Finley put up giant numbers, but would be fielding a stiff almost every other week. I'll take the reliable receptions and yards. Right now, I regard Finley as no more than a bye week fill-in and injury insurance.I don't see the guy as undroppable at this point, if you're in a league that isn't especially active trade-wise.
This guy gets it.
that's funny.
What's funny is how ridiculously over hyped this guy was, and how many owners are still clinging to that. I got laughed at in one league for trading Finley away to get Witten. A thread was made on the message board of the league talking about how I "gave Finley away" for last years TE1. The hype was insane. Finley is going to have a few big games throughout the rest of the year, but as already stated, he's going to have quite a lot more duds. If I had him in dynasty still I'd trade him for someone more reliable while his name still holds elite TE value
You're not making a whole lot of sense. Finley IS an elite TE, period. He was banged up last week and GB has a lot of options. In a dynasty league I would never trade Finley for Witten. Sounds like you're trying to justify your trade by blasting Finley. Now if you made that trade in a redraft I'm not going to argue with it, but in a dynasty league? No way in hell I do that.
 
Here is a link from a couple of weeks back after Finley had the 3 td game.

http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/sports/packers_and_nfl/packers'-rodgers-praises,-prods-finley-after-3-tds

I remember that there was a little bit controversy on sports talk radio after Rodgers called him out, and looking at it a few weeks later, I would certainly think there is a little something to that. In reading this thread and looking at his numbers this year it is clear that:

[*]the Packers have an absolute arsenal of wrs/tes...even the ones that "suck" like Crabtree and Quarless are servicable in their roles. Obviously, they could trot out a 4 wr set without a te and they would be fine.

[*]Rodgers is a master qb. He possess the ability to manage the game without locking into any one guy. This hurts all Packers wrs not named GJennings.

[*]People forget/don't know that AR is a total d*ck. He is not shy when it comes to yelling at players in order to manage expectations. If Finley is screwing up his assignments in any way shape or form, practice or game, I would guess that AR would want to punish him for that. He most definitely is that type of guy.

[*]The Packers might have a plan for Finley in terms of not forcing him any looks this year because he is due for free agency. If JF has an incredible year, he will undoubtedly become the highest paid TE in the game. If his year is merely good, they will be able to afford to lock him up at a reasonable rate. There is no way they are signing him at WR#1 numbers and he won't get that from anyone else at his current production. Managing his targets, so long as everything is clicking on the offense makes sense from a Packers long term financial perspective.

[*]I would expect that he will have a few more awesome games (probably today since I am playing against him) with the rest clunkers. He will then be unleashed full force in the playoffs, once he signs a reasonable contract.

 
I don't think we can really call Finley an elite TE. It would maybe be more accurate to say that, on any given weekend, he has the potential to play like an elite TE.

But typically, he just doesn't. And consistency is everything in this game, unless you're playing total points, which since this isn't 1987, I assume you're not.

If you're in a TE-only fantasy league where your Jermichael Finley is up against some other guy's Fred Davis, you can console yourself all you want with how many total FF points Finley has put up. But on the scoreboard, it's 4-2 Fred Davis, and the only reason it isn't 4-1 is that Fred had a week off. And we're not talking some all-universe performer. Fred. Freaking. Davis.

Finley's solidly 2nd tier, with 1st tier upside game to game. A good play if your team is an underdog, and you need a points explosion, but not much good if you want to simply produce your way to a title over the course of a season.

 
He's still Top 8 at least depending on your scoring system and has name value. And no, no one behind him has been more consistent. :rolleyes: If you don't want him, trade him or quit fantasy. Dropping him is sensationally stupid.

 
Luke, help me out here. I kind of get the feeling you're setting yourself up to be right no matter what happens. "I never said he wouldn't have more monster games." Can you complete this sentence?

I expect my TE to score at least _____ total points on the year, while having less than ____ games of ____ points or less.

Once you've done that, please let us know which TEs you see as fitting your criteria. I assume you don't see Finley as getting it done.

 
Luke, help me out here. I kind of get the feeling you're setting yourself up to be right no matter what happens. "I never said he wouldn't have more monster games." Can you complete this sentence?I expect my TE to score at least _____ total points on the year, while having less than ____ games of ____ points or less.Once you've done that, please let us know which TEs you see as fitting your criteria. I assume you don't see Finley as getting it done.
I think I've made my stance on this clear and I don't feel the need to do your research for you, sorry.Total points are meaningless. I could give a crap if Finley finishes the year as the #1 scoring TE if half his points are coming from 2-3 individual games. To date Finley has more than half his cumulative points in the season tied up in one isolated game.I don't know about you, but I play in head-to-head leagues. I want a guy who's consistent. And there are plenty of more consistent TE's than Finley to be had - Graham, Gronk, Daniels, Olson, Pettigrew, Witten, Gonzalez, Daniels, Gresham, Watson all have multiple 10-point games in my scoring system. There are likely more.Sorry if I'm stepping on one of your favorite players, truly I am, but facts are facts.
 
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You're not making a whole lot of sense. Finley IS an elite TE, period. He was banged up last week and GB has a lot of options. In a dynasty league I would never trade Finley for Witten. Sounds like you're trying to justify your trade by blasting Finley. Now if you made that trade in a redraft I'm not going to argue with it, but in a dynasty league? No way in hell I do that.
This is how bad the hype is. How does he need to justify trading the #9 TE for the #3 TE? Finley is wedged between Greg Olsen and Dustin Keller in one of my leagues. And Olsen and Keller owners didn't pay WR2 prices for their top 10 TEs.The price that most paid for Finley is why "top 9" production is unacceptable. Chances are you are in the lower half of the league for TE production, and you thought you were getting top 3 production (quite a few probably thought they were getting "top 1" production). He had one game where he gave Finley owners what they expected. Otherwise, most other teams were getting the same production from a TE they got a lot later.
 
You're not making a whole lot of sense. Finley IS an elite TE, period. He was banged up last week and GB has a lot of options. In a dynasty league I would never trade Finley for Witten. Sounds like you're trying to justify your trade by blasting Finley. Now if you made that trade in a redraft I'm not going to argue with it, but in a dynasty league? No way in hell I do that.
This is how bad the hype is. How does he need to justify trading the #9 TE for the #3 TE? Finley is wedged between Greg Olsen and Dustin Keller in one of my leagues. And Olsen and Keller owners didn't pay WR2 prices for their top 10 TEs.The price that most paid for Finley is why "top 9" production is unacceptable. Chances are you are in the lower half of the league for TE production, and you thought you were getting top 3 production (quite a few probably thought they were getting "top 1" production). He had one game where he gave Finley owners what they expected. Otherwise, most other teams were getting the same production from a TE they got a lot later.
Dynasty = MarathonRedraft = SprintI only play in Dynasty Leagues.
 
Luke, help me out here. I kind of get the feeling you're setting yourself up to be right no matter what happens. "I never said he wouldn't have more monster games." Can you complete this sentence?I expect my TE to score at least _____ total points on the year, while having less than ____ games of ____ points or less.Once you've done that, please let us know which TEs you see as fitting your criteria. I assume you don't see Finley as getting it done.
I think I've made my stance on this clear and I don't feel the need to do your research for you, sorry.Total points are meaningless. I could give a crap if Finley finishes the year as the #1 scoring TE if half his points are coming from 2-3 individual games. To date Finley has more than half his cumulative points in the season tied up in one isolated game.I don't know about you, but I play in head-to-head leagues. I want a guy who's consistent. And there are plenty of more consistent TE's than Finley to be had - Graham, Gronk, Daniels, Olson, Pettigrew, Witten, Gonzalez, Daniels, Gresham, Watson all have multiple 10-point games in my scoring system. There are likely more.Sorry if I'm stepping on one of your favorite players, truly I am, but facts are facts.
Well alrighty then.
 
Dynasty = MarathonRedraft = SprintI only play in Dynasty Leagues.
And you know, if there weren't some pretty serious flags around Finley's situation long-term, I'd probably agree with you. But he's a pending free agent, the Packers have some other pretty nice players at his position, and he's still not what you would call a polished player after 3 years in the league.Dynasty or not, you can't possibly blame anybody who would rather have Witten, who consistently scores around 10-11 ppg and will probably be doing that for at least another 5 years.
 
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Dynasty = MarathonRedraft = SprintI only play in Dynasty Leagues.
Swell.In dynasty, this year, Finley isn't helping anyone. In dynasty, owners need to wonder if he is going to turn into the player they thought they had. Fantasy-wise, that is. I think everyone agrees he is a talent. Top 3 talent, elite, whatever. But fantasy elite? And really, who said anything about dynasty?
 
'Reepicheep said:
Luke, help me out here. I kind of get the feeling you're setting yourself up to be right no matter what happens. "I never said he wouldn't have more monster games." Can you complete this sentence?

I expect my TE to score at least _____ total points on the year, while having less than ____ games of ____ points or less.

Once you've done that, please let us know which TEs you see as fitting your criteria. I assume you don't see Finley as getting it done.
"I don't care how many points my TE scores on the year, so long as I can rely on him to provide some amount of points, most weeks, that will help me outscore my opponent."
 
Looks like this week might be more of the same....hard to believe that no one would give up anything for him though.

 
'Luke Skywalker said:
Luke, help me out here. I kind of get the feeling you're setting yourself up to be right no matter what happens. "I never said he wouldn't have more monster games." Can you complete this sentence?I expect my TE to score at least _____ total points on the year, while having less than ____ games of ____ points or less.Once you've done that, please let us know which TEs you see as fitting your criteria. I assume you don't see Finley as getting it done.
I think I've made my stance on this clear and I don't feel the need to do your research for you, sorry.Total points are meaningless. I could give a crap if Finley finishes the year as the #1 scoring TE if half his points are coming from 2-3 individual games. To date Finley has more than half his cumulative points in the season tied up in one isolated game.I don't know about you, but I play in head-to-head leagues. I want a guy who's consistent. And there are plenty of more consistent TE's than Finley to be had - Graham, Gronk, Daniels, Olson, Pettigrew, Witten, Gonzalez, Daniels, Gresham, Watson all have multiple 10-point games in my scoring system. There are likely more.Sorry if I'm stepping on one of your favorite players, truly I am, but facts are facts.
total points are not meaningless. someone who gets 9 points every week is much less valuable to me than someone who gets 6 points 12 games and 18 points 4 games. consistency is wildly overrated in fantasy and multiple 10-point games is a totally meaningless cutoff
 
As far as draft position and draft hype goes, he's almost in bust territory. Dallas Clark had a QB that got hurt but Finley had the big hype of maybe overtaking Gates as the best TE in fantasy. He does good one game but gives you close to nothing in others. In my opinion, I would rather take a guy who gives me 7-8 points consistently, at the very least every week, then one who might give you 20 points in one game but gives you 4-5 in the others.

 
In my league he is 8th.I wouldn't call this bust territory.

I lost him in RFA when I got $60 and a 1.11 pick(Randall Cobb) in compensation then bought Fred Davis & traded for Keller

1. 5. Graham, Jimmy NOS TE 187.40 26.771 19.60 19.90 24.00 39.20 28.90 26.40 29.40 godtomsatan - Trade (P) 11 $5 5

2. 22. Gonzalez, Tony ATL TE 140.00 20.000 19.20 36.30 11.80 25.60 20.00 8.90 18.20 godtomsatan - Trade (P) 8 $2 2

3. 24. Witten, Jason DAL TE 138.90 23.150 23.00 24.20 20.00 33.40 B 18.80 19.50 Hand of Bone - Trade 5 $2 2

4. 33. Gronkowski, Rob NEP TE 130.54 21.757 27.04 28.60 38.90 3.50 11.10 21.40 B Youre Going Down - Trade 7 $5 5

5. 38. Pettigrew, Brandon DET TE 123.20 17.600 13.70 2.70 33.20 18.40 17.90 26.20 11.10 Dbaxx - Trade 9 $2 2

6. 45. Davis, Fred WAS TE 112.30 18.717 20.50 26.60 4.30 11.40 B 23.50 26.00 Badgers 5 $3 3

7. 53. Daniels, Owen HOU TE 107.50 15.357 3.20 14.50 23.60 22.90 22.90 5.30 15.10 Running Aces - Trade 11 $3 3

8. 54. Finley, Jermichael GBP TE 107.40 15.343 11.30 16.80 40.50 8.80 14.70 4.00 11.30 Playa Hatas - Trade 8 $5 5

9. 62. Olsen, Greg CAR TE 102.60 14.657 15.80 5.40 27.70 21.00 14.10 14.20 4.40 The Pron Stars - Trade (P) 9 $2 2

10. 71. Keller, Dustin NYJ TE 99.20 14.171 22.10 30.10 18.70 5.20 2.70 9.10 11.30 Badgers

 
I have him in 2 leagues and wish that I would have grabbed someone else. I just picked up Jake Ballard if that tells you anything.

 
It's rough. If you go back and look at 2009 and 2010 game logs you see a much more consistent producer than you do right now. Obviously every player may be subject to the potential down weeks (especially TEs).

Take Gronkowski as a good example. He's had 3 very good games (Wks 1-3), 2bad games (Wks 4-5), and 1 mediocre game (Wk 6).

By comparison, Finley has had 1 very good game (Wk 3), two bad games (Wk 4, 6) and 4 meduicre gamaes (Wk 1, 2, 4, 6).

Since all of that is irrelevant in terms of "going forward" the best thing you can do is to look at it to help you try to predict what will happen the rest of the way. In terms of statistical analysis, Gronkowski is averaging about 3.4 more points per game. His standard deviation is also a bit higher, but that' deviating from a higher mean, and it's not significantly higher to suggest anything subsantial.

The question really becomes did someone like Gronkowski have his good games early on, thus people view him as better than Finley, while Finley has yet to have his good games, or will he have his good games at all.

From watching the Packers it's clear Aaron Rodgers is a communist when it comes to distributing the ball. :) Compared to previous years' usage, subjectively I don't feel that Finley is much of a required/planned use as before. Rodgers and the Packers' offense is effective mixing up the targets so if Finley is there he can have good weeks, but I don't think they are as gauranteed as some of us thought coming into the season.

I still believe in his talent and skill, but I think Finley owners need to be aware of this. He probably still has a few games were he might win you a week, I'd expect a lot of 5-7 point games the rest of the way as well. I really hope I'm wrong, but absent some sort of attempt to get him more involved (a la Jennings last year) or some philsophical change I don't see Finley justifying his lofty draft pick. And I'm saying that as a Finley owner who took him, even though he really thought Graham was going to go 1,000/10 (yes I said that before the season, and then didn't draft him. Ugh.)

 
It's rough. If you go back and look at 2009 and 2010 game logs you see a much more consistent producer than you do right now. Obviously every player may be subject to the potential down weeks (especially TEs).Take Gronkowski as a good example. He's had 3 very good games (Wks 1-3), 2bad games (Wks 4-5), and 1 mediocre game (Wk 6).By comparison, Finley has had 1 very good game (Wk 3), two bad games (Wk 4, 6) and 4 meduicre gamaes (Wk 1, 2, 4, 6).Since all of that is irrelevant in terms of "going forward" the best thing you can do is to look at it to help you try to predict what will happen the rest of the way. In terms of statistical analysis, Gronkowski is averaging about 3.4 more points per game. His standard deviation is also a bit higher, but that' deviating from a higher mean, and it's not significantly higher to suggest anything subsantial.The question really becomes did someone like Gronkowski have his good games early on, thus people view him as better than Finley, while Finley has yet to have his good games, or will he have his good games at all.From watching the Packers it's clear Aaron Rodgers is a communist when it comes to distributing the ball. :) Compared to previous years' usage, subjectively I don't feel that Finley is much of a required/planned use as before. Rodgers and the Packers' offense is effective mixing up the targets so if Finley is there he can have good weeks, but I don't think they are as gauranteed as some of us thought coming into the season.I still believe in his talent and skill, but I think Finley owners need to be aware of this. He probably still has a few games were he might win you a week, I'd expect a lot of 5-7 point games the rest of the way as well. I really hope I'm wrong, but absent some sort of attempt to get him more involved (a la Jennings last year) or some philsophical change I don't see Finley justifying his lofty draft pick. And I'm saying that as a Finley owner who took him, even though he really thought Graham was going to go 1,000/10 (yes I said that before the season, and then didn't draft him. Ugh.)
Could not agree more. I am doing evrything I can to move Finley. I'd take a cash of nuts. He won't start over Fred Davis for me row
 

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