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J. Lewis signs with Cleveland (1 Viewer)
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
<Assuming Cleveland is not targeting Calvin Johnson>If I'm in the Browns front office, I'm slobbering all over myself telling EVERYONE who will listen that Johnson is a remarkable athlete and he'll be the best WR since Jerry Rice. Then they can trade to #4 with Tampa or down a bit further, and still likely wind up with Quinn and some other parting gifts.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Yep... except for that "getting Carr" part.He can't play. Bad O-line or no bad O-line, he's Kyle Boller with a hotter wife.
the latest i heard was bentley has had complications... due to a ubiquitous CLE staph infection, i think (i'm serious), he had to have another operation (MCL?)... because they had to wait to perform it, & it has a long recovery time, he won't be avail at all during 07 season...some reports alluded to his career maybe being in jeapordy (never good to miss two seasons in a row), but i have no idea if that was based on a medically informed position or was pure speculation...
wannabee
Footballguy
This is from rotoworld:LeCharles Bentley-C- Browns Feb. 21 - 10:32 am et
LeCharles Bentley's next round of surgery won't take place until May or June.
Bentley has to rehab for three-to-four more months just to strengthen his knee enough for more surgery. That has to be frustrating. The former Pro Bowler is going to miss the 2007 season and his career is in jeopardy. The Browns are not considering releasing him at this point.
Source: Cleveland Plain Dealer
It sites this article: http://www.cleveland.com/browns/plaindeale....xml&coll=2
chris1969
Footballguy
that's a pretty good description. the career over thing is more of a football description than a medical one, but I think we'll get a medical opinion in the next couple of months.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Two seasons ago, I got filleted when I suggested that Jam's 2,000-yard season was very much the anomaly and outside of that season, he was consistently mediocre. Whether you agree or disagree with that sentiment, it's hard to ignore the facts:
*** Lewis has had ONE top-10 fantasy RB season in his career
*** It's been three years since that season
*** He's averaged less than 4 yards per carry for two seasons and now goes to a team with one of the worst offensive lines in the league conceptually
*** He's never been very effective in short yardage or at the goal line (an area the Browns have struggled with in recent years)
*** He's never proven himself an average, much less above average, receiver
As a big back that takes a lot of hits, it's difficult to find a proxy for someone rebounding to fantasy stardom with a similar history. I will avoid him like the plague unless his ADP falls into the RB20 or lower range.
*** Lewis has had ONE top-10 fantasy RB season in his career
*** It's been three years since that season
*** He's averaged less than 4 yards per carry for two seasons and now goes to a team with one of the worst offensive lines in the league conceptually
*** He's never been very effective in short yardage or at the goal line (an area the Browns have struggled with in recent years)
*** He's never proven himself an average, much less above average, receiver
As a big back that takes a lot of hits, it's difficult to find a proxy for someone rebounding to fantasy stardom with a similar history. I will avoid him like the plague unless his ADP falls into the RB20 or lower range.
Team Legacy
Footballguy
1 year means wait and see. I really don't think they take AP now. I just have a feeling they're gonna go Quinn or Calvin now and somebody's gonna be very happy to get him.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
I'm absolutely with you J -- I think you and I were two of the main anti-Lewis people back in the summer of '05.I ran the numbers on numbers of RBs to meet three requirements: 1) Did not rank in the top 15 for three straight years.2) Averaged under 4.00 YPC in Year N-2 and Year N-1.3) Ranked in the top 15 in Year N.Results: 11 RBs.Antowain Smith is probably the best fit. He stunk for three years in Buffalo, played a lot, but wasn't any good. Like Jamal. Then he went to New England and had a huge year.Lamar Smith, Tyrone Wheatley and Harvey Williams all had three unimpressive years while splitting time, before finding a new team and exploding.Reuben Droughns, Derek Loville, Ottis Anderson all barely carried the ball in Years N-3 through N-1, before getting lots of carries and playing very well in Year N. Larry Centers and MacArthuer Lane fit the criteria, but aren't good matches because both had more receiving yards than rushing yards in Year N. Cullent Bryant and Johnny Hector also met the above criteria, but both seemed to just have career years while slightly improving on their Year N-1 performance, and were just pieces of committees.Summary: Unless you think Jamal Lewis can pull an Antowain Smith, or do what Lamar Smith or Tyrone Wheatley did, stay away. The promising thing for Lewis is those three backs were all very similar in running style and athleticism to Lewis, so maybe there's something to it.
jurb26
Footballguy
For the 100th time.... that is exactly where Lewis' ADP was a year ago and WILL be this year. Matter of fact, Lewis will likely be had cheaper than he was a year ago. He finished as RB16 last year. Probably the biggest fallacy on this board right now is that people, anyone, expects Lewis to be a fantasy RB1. He has not been drafted as such for 2 years and will not come close to being drafted as such this year. I really love this deal for Clev. They fill a pressing needs and upgrade their RB position. I think the hope for them is that now that they have filled the RB spot, hope like hell that Thomas is there at the 3 pick. Thomas not only grades out as the better prospect, but fills a larger need for Clev IMO. My bet is they hope for Thomas to fall to them and if not, shop the pick as Quinn is not really worth the 3rd overall pick. Either way, someone should be willing to pay a nice price to get into the 3 spot and have whoever of Johnson and Peterson falls (if Oak or Det takes Thomas) or 1st pick of the stellar Dlinmen in this draft.
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Another spot to check is www.dawgtalkers.com - this is where a lot of the guys from the old browns site went after it changed to "brownschat". same look and feel as the old dawg talk from the official browns site.But even they seem to be split 50/50 on the signing. I don't mind it too much, as Droughns always seemed to be a stop gap type of signing. I still think AD is the pick come April.chris1969 said:
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Traders2001
Footballguy
I think the opposite , but they need to add a veteran QB like Garcia or maybe a Matt Schaub.Then with Winslow , Edwards , Jewis + they might add a good young WR or lineman in this years draft it gives them the potential for a good offense .But they need a QB , Frye is nt the answer if they start the season with Frye then i agree it s the worst place fantasy wise for Lewis .David Yudkin said:
ExtraPoint
Footballguy
How many of those backs are better than Peterson? Maybe none. Probably Caddy, maybe still Edge, likely Portis, and possibly Ronnie are close enough comparably in talent to not draft him but the rest certainly arent. I'd love to see AP in Atlanta but let's be realistic, they need to consider trading up.rascal said:
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Garcia back to the Browns?
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Droughns getting cut seems most logical right now. But I wonder what the odds are that they ride the JLew/Droughns train for one year, let Steinbach/Fraley/Tucker/Shaffer get a year together (NO INJURIES PLEASE), get a player like Johnson/Thomas/Quinn in this years draft, then be aggressive next year for a RB in the draft and/or trade?
Banger
Footballguy
since it looks all but certain that Turner will remain a Charger this year perhaps they may consider entering the FA sweepstakes next year.
perry147
Footballguy
Foosball God
Foos
They're going to trade up with Detroit for the #2.Titus Pullo said:What WR would you like them to reach on at #7?Tag said:Thats probably the last thing the vikes need.EBF said:You dont think a WR would come in handy for them?
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
T Man
Footballguy
I'm not sure the Browns want to pay both RBs starter money. They may want to keep both a year and then get the RB they want to be the future, but I doubt it.
It appears that Lewis essentially got the same money as Droughns is due. Droughn's roster bonus is due on March 17th (I think). IIRC it is about $1.75 million with a salary of $1.25 million.
I believe that the Browns may try to:
(a) trade Droughns for a low draft pick and avoid the bonus;
(b) renegotiate with Droughns.
If they are unsuccessful at either, they may cut him.
Assuming Droughns is cut, where does he go . . . .
back to Denver?
Green Bay?
Tennessee?
New York?
It appears that Lewis essentially got the same money as Droughns is due. Droughn's roster bonus is due on March 17th (I think). IIRC it is about $1.75 million with a salary of $1.25 million.
I believe that the Browns may try to:
(a) trade Droughns for a low draft pick and avoid the bonus;
(b) renegotiate with Droughns.
If they are unsuccessful at either, they may cut him.
Assuming Droughns is cut, where does he go . . . .
back to Denver?
Green Bay?
Tennessee?
New York?
Banger
Footballguy
whereever he goes I doubt he will be a stater. He essentially lost his job at the end of last year to a nobody on the worst rushing team in the league. Droughns is a below average back on probably any team except Denver.
jurb--feels so much better when I stop...these knuckleheads around here get something in their head and it becomes gospelLewis was a mid-late 2nd last yr, tallied 1100+/9, as you mentioned good for RB16-17, and w/in 10 points of top 12
WTF you want from the 20th overall pick in a draft?
The Browns already have the newly resigned Jason Wright, as well as the star of the 2006 training camp Jerome Harrison on the roster. Now with Lewis and Droughns, and their two fullbacks Terrell Smith and Vickers, they'd have to make some moves to make room for Peterson. The upcoming roster bonus due Droughns should be telling as to what the Browns may do in the draft. If he is not cut than they probably won't draft Peterson.
perry147
Footballguy
If Droughns gets the money. NO AD.But then again you could think about it like this - If they are going to draft AD why sign Lewis?
Wouldn't Jerome Harrison + AD be good enough without Lewis (why waste the money?).
Warpig
Footballguy
Correct me if I'm wrong here...
Steve McNair > Cleveland QB
Baltimore OL > Cleveland OL
Heap >= Winslow
Baltimore WR's >= Cleveland WR's
Baltimore D > Cleveland D
Why leave?
I think Lewis took the $200K more than what Baltimore was offering from Cleveland (plus incentives) and is basically thumbing his nose at Baltimore. He now leaves Baltimore with ?'s at RB and can supply Cleveland with all their tendencies.
Should Cleveland get decent QB play this year...I wouldn't be surprised if Cleveland sweeps Baltimore.
Steve McNair > Cleveland QB
Baltimore OL > Cleveland OL
Heap >= Winslow
Baltimore WR's >= Cleveland WR's
Baltimore D > Cleveland D
Why leave?I think Lewis took the $200K more than what Baltimore was offering from Cleveland (plus incentives) and is basically thumbing his nose at Baltimore. He now leaves Baltimore with ?'s at RB and can supply Cleveland with all their tendencies.
Should Cleveland get decent QB play this year...I wouldn't be surprised if Cleveland sweeps Baltimore.
zamboni
Footballguy
Questions answered...
Lewis took as much money as some bonehead team was going to give him because he is a bum now. Baltimore is damn glad someone was dumb enough to beat their offer.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
1132 yards and 9 TDs = bum?I guess that makes McGahee and his 900 yards and 6 TDs an uber-bum.
He's a bum. He should have had 1500 and 15 TD's if he ran like a man.1132 yards and 9 TDs = bum?
I guess that makes McGahee and his 900 yards and 6 TDs an uber-bum.
Traders2001
Footballguy
He would if it had not been of his ankle ( He played with bone spurs all season , they removed it after the season ). But i agree that there will be no excuses next season ( remember he is only 27 years old and spent at least one season on IR so he has nt been overused ) .He's a bum. He should have had 1500 and 15 TD's if he ran like a man.
I guess that makes McGahee and his 900 yards and 6 TDs an uber-bum.
