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Jackie Robinson West stripped of LLWS championship (1 Viewer)
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pantagrapher
Footballguy
Bummer.
Adults here should be ashamed of themselves.
Adults here should be ashamed of themselves.
belljr
Footballguy
Yep - this stuff was going on back when I played little league in the 70's and 80's and when I coached in the 90's.
One local league got caught a few times trying to change their own boundaries so they decided to drop their LL charter and join Cal Ripken
Johnny Rock
Footballguy
You can build a reputation your whole life and lose it in a second. Having zero integrity has no place here. I'm glad they lost to Seoul so they didn't deprive that team too.
The parents should be mentioned in this as well.
The parents should be mentioned in this as well.
El Floppo
Footballguy
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
I doubt it is meaningless to all the kids and communities that played by the rules and lost to this team.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Charlie Steiner
Footballguy
Sadly, he's right. If they were willing to risk getting caught with ineligible players, then they're not going to care much whoTry some better bait.
about what they did. I'm not condoning what they did, but frankly no amount of shaming is going to take away what they got to do, where they got to go, and the experience they got from all of it. Plus, what exactly are they going to lose at this stage, other than a trophy? The ones who progress at baseball and maybe draw enough interest to maybe get some financial assistance for college are still going to draw interest from somewhere. I doubt a recruiter is going to say "Son, you're a helluva ballplayer and would be a great fit on my team, but I can't get around what you did when you were 12."I only scanned the story, but IIRC the issue was regarding kids from outside of their area. To me, that's less egregious than having kids that are too old on the team and dominating, which happens also. The only issue I take with this is why it takes until long after the fact for the wrongdoing to come to light, and this is more revealing of the vetting process in place. If they don't want kids from outside of a geographic area on the team, tighten the loophole that was exploited. I doubt they'll have much luck with that, however, since this also happens in regards to sending kids to school.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
The local Chicago Trib said this a.m. that this was developing. The article mentioned that the residency matter had been explored twice already.
rick6668
Footballguy
Except the few that would have been on the team if the other players from outside weren't brought in.
Charlie Steiner
Footballguy
That's great, but again, we're in February and the LLWS was in August, which comes after the long LLWS qualifying process. It may only happen in a perfect world, but these kind of problems need to be addressed before they get to Williamsport, not 6 months after the last out.
pantagrapher
Footballguy
It came up about a month ago, maybe earlier. I heard on the radio that it appeared everything was OK at first, but when they looked further into it, it became clear JRW used a cozy relationship with the regional governing body to get signed off on a boundary change that was against the rules. Not sure that's an accurate description of what happened, but that's what I picked up from the radio convo this morning.
Treynwreck3
Footballguy
"If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'!"
Despicable.
Despicable.
gameday
Footballguy
I've followed this from day 1. Shortly after the LL championships concluded an official from the IL team that Jackie Robinson beat registered an official protest. Little League was presented with significant evidence that showed several players actually lived outside the Jackie Robinson LL geographical boundary. Some of those neighboring locals even had celebrations for their local kids that played on the Jackie Robinson team. Little League chose to ignore all that evidence and declare that cheating did not occur.pantagrapher said:
Then, recently, evidence was found that showed Jackie Robinson officials illegally changed their designated geographical boundary documents to include neighboring areas. Those neighboring areas were already part of established LL programs. By illegally changing their geographical boundary they were able to include 3 studs that they would not have otherwise been able to include.
So, the reason Jackie Robinson was just now stripped of the title is because this new evidence was just recently discovered, and Little League could no longer ignore it and brush it under the rug.
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Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
This is what happens when.............
pantagrapher
Footballguy
Story is getting ugly here in Chicago. Rally on behalf of JRW squad. Jesse Jackson calling for title to be reinstated. Father Pfleger calling this a racially motivated witch hunt. What really angers me is that the coaches are nowhere to be seen. What weasels. Instead of standing up and taking responsibility, they let the kids go to this rally. Shameful.
Here's what I tweeted on the subject:
Here's what I tweeted on the subject:
pantagrapher
Footballguy
And I hate to go in this direction, but more and more I suspect the ringer kids and their parents knew what was up. If you're the best player on your team by far and the next summer you suddenly find yourself playing with the most prominent squad in the region, you know something changed. And I'm sure someone went and talked to them or their parents about it.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
gameday
Footballguy
Back when the coach from Evergreen complained that Jackie Robinson used illegal suburban players, a Congresswoman who represented one of those suburbs even made a tweet stating two of the Jackie Robinson players were from the suburban Jr High School. And, even Sports Illustrated honored one of the players in the Faces in the Crowd, listing his suburban home town. Kinda hard for Jackie Robinson to now say those kids really lived in the city, and not the suburbs.
pantagrapher
Footballguy
Yup. We're not talking about 7-year-olds here. Coaches know who these kids are. Parents probably know. And other players definitely know.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
Corruption in Chicago? Get out.
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
Always something with Chicago and cheating in baseball, first the Black Sox scandal and now the Black Kids scandal
Boston
Footballguy
Love to hear the excuses on this one..."gee, I never noticed that 5'8" 12 year old who throws 70MPH and can hit it farther than Dustin Pedroia...is that little Ricky from the block over...boy, he's grown a lot in the past week"...really pathetic when you think about it...
Wrigley
Footballguy
Glad he knows whats going on.Did anybody else catch the press conference earlier? Just when you think Jesse Jackson couldn't possibly be a bigger piece of ####.
Wrigley
Footballguy
Joe Summer
Footballguy
I blame the coaches who complained. Leave well enough alone, jerkface!
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
Really some unbelievable comments coming out of Chicago about this
pantagrapher
Footballguy
And apparently Rahm called LLI and asked them to reverse their decision. There is an election in a couple weeks tho.
jonessed
Footballguy
That's pathetic. What a terrible lesson for kids. The coaches and the parents blew it and they need to take responsibility.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
While I don't blame the kids at all, I'm sure they had some idea of what was going on. Kids of that age are pretty observant and sharper than we want to give them credit for.
pantagrapher
Footballguy
The coach finally came out of the shadows, gave a brief statement, and refused to take questions. What a coward.
Treynwreck3
Footballguy
Horrible take. Kids just want to play ball. They have no culpability in this mess. Shame on you or anybody else who blames these kids in any way.
pantagrapher
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roadkill1292
Footballguy
Kids probably aren't going to think about it too much. If coaches and administrators tell them that there are special exemptions to bring in kids from other districts for the tournament, kids are generally going to accept what they're told.
I will go to my grave not understanding the competitive forces that drive people to do things like this.
pantagrapher
Footballguy
And now a lawsuit to have JRW's borders changed. Ugh. What a disgrace.
Peak
Footballguy
I'm pretty sure he said "I don't blame the kids at all", so settle down Nancy. I do agree that the kids shouldn't be blamed, but I do agree that they are observant and they probably noticed that not all of the kids are from the same area. My son's 8U team played against other teams who had kids playing from 3 different counties and 2 different states. We didn't share this with the kids, but my son came up after the game and told me about it.
Treynwreck3
Footballguy
"While I don't blame the kids at all" ahem... let me blame the kids. Caveat doesn't mean crap.
Charlie Steiner
Footballguy
As long as they don't try to make it retroactive to last year, I don't have a problem with this. Now, if they try to expand their borders to cover neighborhoods in the Dominican Republic, then I'd have an issue.
Doug B
Footballguy
Don't know anything about LL inner workings.
So, at a national tournament, how do you look across a diamond and suspect that the opposing team, from 1500 miles away, is using p;layers from outside of a district? How possibly could the Las Vegas team got the intel?
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