Jags QB Garrard to Tampa Bay? (1 Viewer)

[The Royal Jack]

Truth and Rumor

Any Jag or Bucs homers heard anything about this? Seems like this materialized out of thin air. Given Leftwich's track record it would seem like a bad idea to deal Garrard especially when the Jags are possible AFC contenders.

signed,

Concerned Leftwich and Garrard dynasty owner.

 

[-OZ-]

Truth and Rumor

Any Jag or Bucs homers heard anything about this? Seems like this materialized out of thin air. Given Leftwich's track record it would seem like a bad idea to deal Garrard especially when the Jags are possible AFC contenders.

signed,

Concerned Leftwich and Garrard dynasty owner.

It's a rumor, with Simms playing horribly, it's not surprising that a writer (even one at NFL.com) would speculate here. Next, we'll hear about Schaub and the Bucs will sign Rodney Peete.

 

[Wadsworth]

I don't see the Jags letting Garrard go for anything the Bucs would offer. Jacksonvile thinks they are primed for a run deep in the postseason and Leftwich hasn't played a 16 game season yet. They'd trade him, but it would likely take a 1st or a 2nd and 4th or something in that range. I doubt the Bucs would do that.

 

[-OZ-]

I don't see the Jags letting Garrard go for anything the Bucs would offer. Jacksonvile thinks they are primed for a run deep in the postseason and Leftwich hasn't played a 16 game season yet. They'd trade him, but it would likely take a 1st or a 2nd and 4th or something in that range. I doubt the Bucs would do that.

I'm probably completely off base here, but if Jacksonville has visions of playoffs and beyond, would they even trade Garrard for a 1st? IMO (although unlikely), they'd be better off acquiring OL help, DE (would one be available?) or Galloway. Plus, they'd need Simms or Gradkowski as a backup...In short, not happening.

 

[diesel7982]

Gruden has been interested in Garrard each of the last 2 offseasons, but unwilling to pay the price the Jags' have asked.

I really cant see the Jags letting him go with them having a SB caliber team and no other backup behind Lefty.

 

[The Royal Jack]

Who is third in JAX? Gray? Maybe they think he can fill the role of Garrard, all three QB's seem to be from the same mold.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Maybe the Bucs should consider having trade discussions with Chicago.......or Minnesota......or San Francisco.........

 

[Wadsworth]

Who is third in JAX? Gray? Maybe they think he can fill the role of Garrard, all three QB's seem to be from the same mold.

That's why the Jags might consider trading Garrard. Quinn Gray has looked ready to be a QB2 in the NFL. His preseason QB rating is something like 125 over the past 3 seasons and in his lone NFL game he was 8/14 with 2 TDs. There are actually more Jags fans that think Gray should be 2 than think Garrard should be 1. Adding to the appeal of trading Garrard for a first is the ugly 0-2 start by the Bucs. There would be some potetial for that pick being quite high. I still seriously doubt it will happen. But I'm not positive the Jags would turn down a first rounder from the Bucs, because of Quinn Gray.

 

[Capella]

There's no way a QB can come in mid-season, with no camp and preseason and learn Gruden's offense and expect to play well this season.

This isn't Madden 07, you just can't plug and play.

 

[cracKer]

In February there was speculation that the Buccaneers were shopping Simeon Rice (contract expires after the 2007 season). One of the teams interested was Jacksonville.

hmmm...

 

[Stashy]

In February there was speculation that the Buccaneers were shopping Simeon Rice (contract expires after the 2007 season). One of the teams interested was Jacksonville.hmmm...

I believe Jax had a major injury on the D line as well.

 

[Wadsworth]

In February there was speculation that the Buccaneers were shopping Simeon Rice (contract expires after the 2007 season). One of the teams interested was Jacksonville.hmmm...

I believe Jax had a major injury on the D line as well.

With Hayward on IR and Wiley and McCray banged up the Jags are very thin at DE. But trading for Rice would be out of character for the current Jags front office. Rice is 32 and while still productive last season, has to be on the back end of his career. The current Jags FO has been committed to getting young guys on the upside when paying big money. Guys like Mike Peterson, Hayward, Brian Williams, with around 4 years in the league that seem poised to make the next step. As appealling as adding Rice to the team might be, they would almost have to sign him to a new contract or the trade is a joke and that would be one step down the round toward cap issues. Jacksonville has a very healthy cap situation now after horrible problems since around 2000. I doubt they'd want to start down that road again. And signing aging stars to big contracts is very dangerous cap wise.

 

[Highway Robbery]

Who is third in JAX? Gray? Maybe they think he can fill the role of Garrard, all three QB's seem to be from the same mold.

Right, the same mold, they are all Black.

 

[Wadsworth]

Who is third in JAX? Gray? Maybe they think he can fill the role of Garrard, all three QB's seem to be from the same mold.

Right, the same mold, they are all Black.

I wasn't going to say anything but yea, these are 3 very different QBs besides skin color.Leftwich is a big, lumbering QB with an excellent arm. (Peyton on the high end, Bledsoe on the low end)Garrard is extremely mobile with a strong arm but lacks accuracy.(Poor man's Vick)Gray is a mix of the two but has the weakest arm of the three. (Maybe Drew Brees?)It's hard to put a label on Gray because nothing about him is overly impressive on paper but he seems to produce whenever he gets a chance. Aside from limited NFL success he also played pretty well for a season in NFLE.

 

[ocstallions]

Being a Jags fan, there's no way they'd trade for Rice. I agree with what Wadsworth has said. They'd definitely only do it for a 1st rounder, but I'm not sure that they'd even do that. The team as a whole has progressed to the point that having DG as a backup might be worth more than having him as trade bait. The Jags are in a mode of trying to be a consistent playoff team and with that, always having the possibility of winning a Super Bowl. Even if they saw Rice as a guy that could make them a top contender for the SB this year, there's no way they'd make that trade. He doesn't fit their MO. The team is focused on a healthy cap and a being a consistent playoff team. Especially after getting burned by the Hugh Douglass thing, there's no way they'd add a big money 32 year old DE on the downside of his career. That's not to say that Rice isn't good anymore, just that his best years would not be in Jacksonville, they already occurred in Tampa. I believe that would be the bottom line for the Jags' FO.

 

[The Royal Jack]

Who is third in JAX? Gray? Maybe they think he can fill the role of Garrard, all three QB's seem to be from the same mold.

Right, the same mold, they are all Black.

I wasn't going to say anything but yea, these are 3 very different QBs besides skin color.Leftwich is a big, lumbering QB with an excellent arm. (Peyton on the high end, Bledsoe on the low end)Garrard is extremely mobile with a strong arm but lacks accuracy.(Poor man's Vick)Gray is a mix of the two but has the weakest arm of the three. (Maybe Drew Brees?)It's hard to put a label on Gray because nothing about him is overly impressive on paper but he seems to produce whenever he gets a chance. Aside from limited NFL success he also played pretty well for a season in NFLE.

Well if thats so my mistake, I figured them all as big strong guys who could take a sack and have strong arms suited for a mid range passing game, all with average mobility with a slight nod to Garrard. The Jags are probably the only team in NFL history to go three deep with black QBs, but this is not what I was inferring.

 

[meanjoegreen]

all with average mobility with a slight nod to Garrard.

Slight nod? Garrard is a very mobile quarterback.

 

[ImTheScientist]

all with average mobility with a slight nod to Garrard.

lays too much Madden:

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Who is third in JAX? Gray? Maybe they think he can fill the role of Garrard, all three QB's seem to be from the same mold.

That's why the Jags might consider trading Garrard. Quinn Gray has looked ready to be a QB2 in the NFL. His preseason QB rating is something like 125 over the past 3 seasons and in his lone NFL game he was 8/14 with 2 TDs. There are actually more Jags fans that think Gray should be 2 than think Garrard should be 1. Adding to the appeal of trading Garrard for a first is the ugly 0-2 start by the Bucs. There would be some potetial for that pick being quite high. I still seriously doubt it will happen. But I'm not positive the Jags would turn down a first rounder from the Bucs, because of Quinn Gray.

I'm not understanding this.The question that needs to be asked is who would JAG fan want at the helm if Leftwich gors down,and I am certain most would say Garrard not Gray.This should be the reason why the jags would NOT consider trading Garrard.

 

[Lauryn]

Who is third in JAX? Gray? Maybe they think he can fill the role of Garrard, all three QB's seem to be from the same mold.

Right, the same mold, they are all Black.

I wasn't going to say anything but yea, these are 3 very different QBs besides skin color.Leftwich is a big, lumbering QB with an excellent arm. (Peyton on the high end, Bledsoe on the low end)Garrard is extremely mobile with a strong arm but lacks accuracy.(Poor man's Vick)Gray is a mix of the two but has the weakest arm of the three. (Maybe Drew Brees?)It's hard to put a label on Gray because nothing about him is overly impressive on paper but he seems to produce whenever he gets a chance. Aside from limited NFL success he also played pretty well for a season in NFLE.

Well if thats so my mistake, I figured them all as big strong guys who could take a sack and have strong arms suited for a mid range passing game, all with average mobility with a slight nod to Garrard. The Jags are probably the only team in NFL history to go three deep with black QBs, but this is not what I was inferring.

watch some football, buddy... it's a great game

 

[Dazz]

Who is third in JAX? Gray? Maybe they think he can fill the role of Garrard, all three QB's seem to be from the same mold.

That's why the Jags might consider trading Garrard. Quinn Gray has looked ready to be a QB2 in the NFL. His preseason QB rating is something like 125 over the past 3 seasons and in his lone NFL game he was 8/14 with 2 TDs. There are actually more Jags fans that think Gray should be 2 than think Garrard should be 1. Adding to the appeal of trading Garrard for a first is the ugly 0-2 start by the Bucs. There would be some potetial for that pick being quite high. I still seriously doubt it will happen. But I'm not positive the Jags would turn down a first rounder from the Bucs, because of Quinn Gray.

I'm not understanding this.The question that needs to be asked is who would JAG fan want at the helm if Leftwich gors down,and I am certain most would say Garrard not Gray.This should be the reason why the jags would NOT consider trading Garrard.

So the fans, which are still obsessing over the Mark Brunell era and want to see a running quarterback regardless of talent level, should be in charge of the franchise? The fans that have for the most part never seen Quinn Gray and couldn't properly gauge his value to the team?As a Jags fan I hope Garrard is traded for a first round pick, mostly because Del Rio and Harris have proven to be great talent evaluators and if they feel Gray can backup Leftwich, I believe them. Garrard for Rice though, I'm not on that bandwagon and I doubt management is (as someone else said, it's not their current MO). Do I think either will happen? Not really, because I doubt Tampa would part with their first rounder (which could be a pretty nice one this year) and Harris/Del Rio probably don't want Rice.

 

[Wadsworth]

Who is third in JAX? Gray? Maybe they think he can fill the role of Garrard, all three QB's seem to be from the same mold.

That's why the Jags might consider trading Garrard. Quinn Gray has looked ready to be a QB2 in the NFL. His preseason QB rating is something like 125 over the past 3 seasons and in his lone NFL game he was 8/14 with 2 TDs. There are actually more Jags fans that think Gray should be 2 than think Garrard should be 1. Adding to the appeal of trading Garrard for a first is the ugly 0-2 start by the Bucs. There would be some potetial for that pick being quite high. I still seriously doubt it will happen. But I'm not positive the Jags would turn down a first rounder from the Bucs, because of Quinn Gray.

I'm not understanding this.The question that needs to be asked is who would JAG fan want at the helm if Leftwich gors down,and I am certain most would say Garrard not Gray.This should be the reason why the jags would NOT consider trading Garrard.

If Leftwich got hurt I wouldn't mind having Garrard or Gray go in. But if they trade Garrard there would be no one but Gray and whatever free agent they pick up. It would be a very big risk, and teams that think they are contenders rarely take such risks. I'd do it if I was GM, but that's likely one of many reasons I'm not a GM.

 

[corpcow]

Who is third in JAX? Gray? Maybe they think he can fill the role of Garrard, all three QB's seem to be from the same mold.

Yes, Quinn Gray is #3, though I don't know much about him.Scouting report from ESPN.COM:

He shows solid arm strength for the position. He is a good overall athlete for the position. Needs a lot of woe reading coverages - tries to do too much with his preseason opportunities. He is a guy that has not shown a lot of development and soon, they might start looking for someone else to develop.

That said, I woudl NOT say that Garrard and Leftwich are "from the same mold". Both many be 250 lb black QBs, but Leftwich is 6'5" and Garrard is 6'1" and - unlike Leftwich - actually mobile...Leftwich describes himself as the "slowest black QB in the league". When pressed to give any QB he was faster than, the best he could go with was another former Marshall QB, Chad Penny. Now, as a Jets fan, I'm a big Chad fan, but one thing he is NOT is mobile or fast