Jaguars Being Sold (1 Viewer)

[LittlePhatty]

Also, the Jags have a lease that runs until 2030.

There are probably a lot of ways to sidestep that hurdle.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Alignment wise, the Jags could go perfectly into the NFC West (L.A., SF, ARI, SEA) and the Rams could go in the AFC South, fitting in regionally far better with Indy, Houston and Nashville.

Given that the NFC already has the NJ/NYC, Philadelphia, Washington, Chicago, Dallas, and San Francisco major markets (for starters) I see no way in hell that CBS would allow the L.A. Jags to get moved into the NFC in a swap for the Rams (they would pony up the additional $ the NFL would want to get that market). The market-size difference between the NFC and AFC is huge and I don't think the league would make it any bigger.The problem that comes up is that the other logical choice is to break up the AFC West (moving the Chiefs into the South and swapping the Jags in there). I think the NFL would bite the bullet and do that, though - after all they were willing to move the Colts to the AFC back in the day.-QG

 

[Wadsworth]

Also, the Jags have a lease that runs until 2030.

There are probably a lot of ways to sidestep that hurdle.

I've read that it would cost $70-80m to break the lease. So by NFL type numbers it is certainly possible.

 

[QuizGuy66]

L.A.'s football history goes back to the 1940's (there was even an NFL team there in 1926). People make fun of its lack of football passion but reality is it is one of the league's formative traditional cities.

Guess they'll have to have special easy wheelchair access with that fan base...(Point being that Rams and Raiders tried it out and moved away in the mean time, because of better economy elsewhere - so the fan base of WWII is not particularly relevant - was a if the people and corporations of LA today are unwilling to fork out sufficiently in tickets, boxes and merchandise, any franchise will fail, formative city or not)

Yes. The Rams 'tried it out' for about 50 years. Then Georgia Frontiere tries to cash in on her dead hubby's mistake of leaving her the team. She spent years sticking her nose in football operations resulting in a multitude of clownish football decisions. All so she could drive down attendance and move to the town with highest bidder. Now with a slightly more sensible ownership involved there have been rumors of a move back. But its always easier to just stick with the 'LA has no real football fans' meme.

They should just move 'em back to Cleveland where they were born -QG

 

[QuizGuy66]

This concludes my Hipple tribute in this thread.

-QG

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Alignment wise, the Jags could go perfectly into the NFC West (L.A., SF, ARI, SEA) and the Rams could go in the AFC South, fitting in regionally far better with Indy, Houston and Nashville.

Given that the NFC already has the NJ/NYC, Philadelphia, Washington, Chicago, Dallas, and San Francisco major markets (for starters) I see no way in hell that CBS would allow the L.A. Jags to get moved into the NFC in a swap for the Rams (they would pony up the additional $ the NFL would want to get that market). The market-size difference between the NFC and AFC is huge and I don't think the league would make it any bigger.The problem that comes up is that the other logical choice is to break up the AFC West (moving the Chiefs into the South and swapping the Jags in there). I think the NFL would bite the bullet and do that, though - after all they were willing to move the Colts to the AFC back in the day.-QG

And that is a great point.

 

[gandalas]

Canton is both -QG

That would be the offensive half of their field.-QG

For reference, the 67k+ configuration ranks 20th in stadium size out of the 31 NFL stadiums.-QG

This could totally big a Zyggi Wilf style thing...-QG

You know, there IS a multi-quote function with the new board. Or are you just trying to fit your little "-QG" on the page as many times as you can?

 

[QuizGuy66]

Canton is both -QG

That would be the offensive half of their field.-QG

For reference, the 67k+ configuration ranks 20th in stadium size out of the 31 NFL stadiums.-QG

This could totally big a Zyggi Wilf style thing...-QG

You know, there IS a multi-quote function with the new board. Or are you just trying to fit your little "-QG" on the page as many times as you can?

Sorry about that. Started out as a couple of replies and turned into a tribute Hippling on the fly. Didn't really expect to reply to 5 or so items in a Jags thread ...-QG

 

[Sweet Love]

Jacksonville is a college football town, grew up here and my dad started taking me to college games when I was a kid.

That being said, when the Jags didn't suck people came to the games but fans here got spoiled by the runs that the Noles, Gators, and '90s Jags had. The long term loyalty that holds fans over when the team is losing was not there because it was a new franchise. People fell off the fan-wagon real fast.

Even though the stadium was built for the Jag's opening season it had to have enough seating for the Fla-Ga game and (to a lesser extent) the Gator Bowl game. The thing that crosses my mind is that LA is so all about see and be seen and glam do they make the whole stadium club seats? And do the ticket holders spend the whole game in the club rooms and restaurants socializing while the stadium seats sit empty?

I get your point, but the Jags "partner" in expansion, the Panthers, have not run into the same issue. The Panthers also had that initial bump in goodness from the start (and since I believe they made expansion harder from the aspect of fielding a team), but they are doing just fine. Now I will say that is likely due to the fact that college football in NC takes a back seat to Basketball, so that may have to do with the success, but I also think that Jax was a little bit of a push when the NFL tried to expand to that market. Forty-five team league, it would make sense...32, not so sure.

 

[JaxBill]

Jacksonville is a college football town, grew up here and my dad started taking me to college games when I was a kid.

That being said, when the Jags didn't suck people came to the games but fans here got spoiled by the runs that the Noles, Gators, and '90s Jags had. The long term loyalty that holds fans over when the team is losing was not there because it was a new franchise. People fell off the fan-wagon real fast.

Even though the stadium was built for the Jag's opening season it had to have enough seating for the Fla-Ga game and (to a lesser extent) the Gator Bowl game. The thing that crosses my mind is that LA is so all about see and be seen and glam do they make the whole stadium club seats? And do the ticket holders spend the whole game in the club rooms and restaurants socializing while the stadium seats sit empty?

I get your point, but the Jags "partner" in expansion, the Panthers, have not run into the same issue. The Panthers also had that initial bump in goodness from the start (and since I believe they made expansion harder from the aspect of fielding a team), but they are doing just fine. Now I will say that is likely due to the fact that college football in NC takes a back seat to Basketball, so that may have to do with the success, but I also think that Jax was a little bit of a push when the NFL tried to expand to that market. Forty-five team league, it would make sense...32, not so sure.

The huge difference between the Jags and the Panthers is that the Panthers used PSLs which made it much harder for STHers to walk away from an investment.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

The lease with the city of Jacksonville says the Jaguars can get out of the lease if they prove they lost money for 3 years in a row.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

The concession stands just got interesting

(waives finger)

very very bad...very very bad

 

[RavenLunatic]

And Paul Tagliabue told Baltimore to build a museum when he rationalized picking Jacksonville over Baltimore in expansion.

How'd that work out for ya?

Browns would have moved to LA instead...then the NFL would have recreated the Browns all over again. Wonder if they still would have drafted Tim Couch???

 

[drfeelgood]

Jacksonville is a college football town, grew up here and my dad started taking me to college games when I was a kid.

That being said, when the Jags didn't suck people came to the games but fans here got spoiled by the runs that the Noles, Gators, and '90s Jags had. The long term loyalty that holds fans over when the team is losing was not there because it was a new franchise. People fell off the fan-wagon real fast.

Even though the stadium was built for the Jag's opening season it had to have enough seating for the Fla-Ga game and (to a lesser extent) the Gator Bowl game. The thing that crosses my mind is that LA is so all about see and be seen and glam do they make the whole stadium club seats? And do the ticket holders spend the whole game in the club rooms and restaurants socializing while the stadium seats sit empty?

I get your point, but the Jags "partner" in expansion, the Panthers, have not run into the same issue. The Panthers also had that initial bump in goodness from the start (and since I believe they made expansion harder from the aspect of fielding a team), but they are doing just fine. Now I will say that is likely due to the fact that college football in NC takes a back seat to Basketball, so that may have to do with the success, but I also think that Jax was a little bit of a push when the NFL tried to expand to that market. Forty-five team league, it would make sense...32, not so sure.

The huge difference between the Jags and the Panthers is that the Panthers used PSLs which made it much harder for STHers to walk away from an investment.

 

[JaxBill]

The lease with the city of Jacksonville says the Jaguars can get out of the lease if they prove they lost money for 3 years in a row.

A) I don't think there's any way they lost money. The money from the gate is minor compared to the huge TV dollars and the Jags have definitely kept costs to a minimum.B) Even if they did lose money, any owner who willingly opens their books to public inspection will instantly become a pariah to other owners.

 

[gethugefast1]

They should have signed Tebow.

 

[GreenNGold]

The London Shaguars has a nice ring to it!

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

They should have signed Tebow.

Yeah, but you can say that about most of the teams in the league.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

They should have signed Tebow.

Yeah, but you can say that about most of the teams in the league.

How many from the Gator Nation reside in Jax?

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

They should have signed Tebow.

Yeah, but you can say that about most of the teams in the league.

How many from the Gator Nation reside in Jax?

A lot and Tebow is a Jax native anyway.

 

[cstu]

What team sells the least NFL merchandise?

 

[cstu]

The lease with the city of Jacksonville says the Jaguars can get out of the lease if they prove they lost money for 3 years in a row.

A) I don't think there's any way they lost money. The money from the gate is minor compared to the huge TV dollars and the Jags have definitely kept costs to a minimum.B) Even if they did lose money, any owner who willingly opens their books to public inspection will instantly become a pariah to other owners.

Can't they also get out of it by paying $5M a year? That's a drop in the bucket compared to what they'd make in LA.

 

[Wadsworth]

The lease with the city of Jacksonville says the Jaguars can get out of the lease if they prove they lost money for 3 years in a row.

A) I don't think there's any way they lost money. The money from the gate is minor compared to the huge TV dollars and the Jags have definitely kept costs to a minimum.B) Even if they did lose money, any owner who willingly opens their books to public inspection will instantly become a pariah to other owners.

Can't they also get out of it by paying $5M a year? That's a drop in the bucket compared to what they'd make in LA.

Wayne Weaver was quoted earlier today on local TV as saying it would cost 70-80m to break the lease. That is clearly a number that is not going to scare away a potential buyer if they do not have a better option.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

jack del rio caught on camera today

 

[cobalt_27]

The lease with the city of Jacksonville says the Jaguars can get out of the lease if they prove they lost money for 3 years in a row.

A) I don't think there's any way they lost money. The money from the gate is minor compared to the huge TV dollars and the Jags have definitely kept costs to a minimum.B) Even if they did lose money, any owner who willingly opens their books to public inspection will instantly become a pariah to other owners.

Can't they also get out of it by paying $5M a year? That's a drop in the bucket compared to what they'd make in LA.

Wayne Weaver was quoted earlier today on local TV as saying it would cost 70-80m to break the lease. That is clearly a number that is not going to scare away a potential buyer if they do not have a better option.

In other words, "See ya, Jax. Nice knowing you."Sorry for your loss, Wadsworth. The Jacksonville experience officially ended today. Might as well tarp the entire complex.

 

[gethugefast1]

They should have signed Tebow.

Yeah, but you can say that about most of the teams in the league.

How many from the Gator Nation reside in Jax?

Hey MOP,
[*]Tebow played quarterback for Nease High School in Ponte Vedra Beach, Florida. Located eighteen miles (29 km) southeast of downtown Jacksonville.

[*]Previously known as "The World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party," the official name of the rivalry with Georgia is the "Florida-Georgia/Georgia-Florida Game". The game is held at Jacksonville Municipal Stadium in Jacksonville, Florida.

[*]The Tebows live in Jacksonville, Florida

[*]University of Florida is a public institution that was founded in 1853. It has a total undergraduate enrollment of 48,653, its setting is suburban, and the campus size is 2,000 acres.

[*]Over 12,000 students, or nearly a quarter of University of Florida students come from the Miami/South Florida area, constituting the largest group of students at the university. (That's all I got on Demographics)

I live about 40 miles south of Jacksonville... they lost 10's of millions not grabbing him before Denver.

 

[Wadsworth]

They should have signed Tebow.

Yeah, but you can say that about most of the teams in the league.

How many from the Gator Nation reside in Jax?

Hey MOP,
[*]Tebow played quarterback for Nease High School in Ponte Vedra Beach, Florida. Located eighteen miles (29 km) southeast of downtown Jacksonville.

[*]Previously known as "The World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party," the official name of the rivalry with Georgia is the "Florida-Georgia/Georgia-Florida Game". The game is held at Jacksonville Municipal Stadium in Jacksonville, Florida.

[*]The Tebows live in Jacksonville, Florida

[*]University of Florida is a public institution that was founded in 1853. It has a total undergraduate enrollment of 48,653, its setting is suburban, and the campus size is 2,000 acres.

[*]Over 12,000 students, or nearly a quarter of University of Florida students come from the Miami/South Florida area, constituting the largest group of students at the university. (That's all I got on Demographics)

I live about 40 miles south of Jacksonville... they lost 10's of millions not grabbing him before Denver.

Do you own season tickets?

 

[Svea]

All I know is we don't want them in Toronto.

 

[gethugefast1]

They should have signed Tebow.

Yeah, but you can say that about most of the teams in the league.

How many from the Gator Nation reside in Jax?

Hey MOP,
[*]Tebow played quarterback for Nease High School in Ponte Vedra Beach, Florida. Located eighteen miles (29 km) southeast of downtown Jacksonville.

[*]Previously known as "The World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party," the official name of the rivalry with Georgia is the "Florida-Georgia/Georgia-Florida Game". The game is held at Jacksonville Municipal Stadium in Jacksonville, Florida.

[*]The Tebows live in Jacksonville, Florida

[*]University of Florida is a public institution that was founded in 1853. It has a total undergraduate enrollment of 48,653, its setting is suburban, and the campus size is 2,000 acres.

[*]Over 12,000 students, or nearly a quarter of University of Florida students come from the Miami/South Florida area, constituting the largest group of students at the university. (That's all I got on Demographics)

I live about 40 miles south of Jacksonville... they lost 10's of millions not grabbing him before Denver.

Do you own season tickets?

No. I happen to be a diehard Giants fan. I did have Yankee season tickets before I left the NY area in 2004.

 

[Bri]

Why is Farmer's Insurance "letting the word out" that they'll pay 700mil for naming rights to LA stadium and not just buying a team? That seems so odd.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2011/11/29/jacksonville-jaguars-sold-to-illinois-businessman-for-760-million/

 

[cstu]

Why is Farmer's Insurance "letting the word out" that they'll pay 700mil for naming rights to LA stadium and not just buying a team? That seems so odd.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2011/11/29/jacksonville-jaguars-sold-to-illinois-businessman-for-760-million/

Wow...welcome to LA. $3M/yr vs. $23M/yr - they would pay off the buyout in less than 4 years with the naming rights alone.

Last year Weaver cut a deal with the city giving Weaver all of the revenue from the $16.6 million, five-year stadium naming rights agreement with EverBank.

The Jaguars, along with the Minnesota Vikings and San Diego Chargers, have been mentioned as teams most likely to to move to a new stadium in Los Angeles for which Farmers Insurance Exchange has agreed to pay $700 million (over 30 years) for naming rights.

 

[Bri]

Why is Farmer's Insurance "letting the word out" that they'll pay 700mil for naming rights to LA stadium and not just buying a team? That seems so odd.

http://www.forbes.co...or-760-million/

Wow...welcome to LA. $3M/yr vs. $23M/yr - they would pay off the buyout in less than 4 years with the naming rights alone.

Last year Weaver cut a deal with the city giving Weaver all of the revenue from the $16.6 million, five-year stadium naming rights agreement with EverBank.

The Jaguars, along with the Minnesota Vikings and San Diego Chargers, have been mentioned as teams most likely to to move to a new stadium in Los Angeles for which Farmers Insurance Exchange has agreed to pay $700 million (over 30 years) for naming rights.

thanks cstuGotta say I don't know why (business-wise) Khan doesn't do this. I mean he covers himself for all but 60 mil.

Sure there will be new costs for the stadium(maybe LA pays for that) and moving fees that will likely be huge but who knows if he'll wind up paying for that either.

 

[gethugefast1]

Why is Farmer's Insurance "letting the word out" that they'll pay 700mil for naming rights to LA stadium and not just buying a team? That seems so odd.

http://www.forbes.co...or-760-million/

Wow...welcome to LA. $3M/yr vs. $23M/yr - they would pay off the buyout in less than 4 years with the naming rights alone.

Last year Weaver cut a deal with the city giving Weaver all of the revenue from the $16.6 million, five-year stadium naming rights agreement with EverBank.

The Jaguars, along with the Minnesota Vikings and San Diego Chargers, have been mentioned as teams most likely to to move to a new stadium in Los Angeles for which Farmers Insurance Exchange has agreed to pay $700 million (over 30 years) for naming rights.

thanks cstuGotta say I don't know why (business-wise) Khan doesn't do this. I mean he covers himself for all but 60 mil.

Sure there will be new costs for the stadium(maybe LA pays for that) and moving fees that will likely be huge but who knows if he'll wind up paying for that either.

 

[Bri]

so it's irrelevant to the topic?