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kutta said:
VaTerp said:
I love Best and believe the Lions offense is emerging but watching the replay of the concussion that ended his college career scares the crap out of me. When they flex their arms like that it's indicative of a serious brain injury. I think if this guy takes any kind of decent blow to the head he's going to be treated with kid gloves. Yeah, anyone is a hit away from a serious concussion and missing significant time, I just believe he could take less of a blow to the head and miss even more time. Ryan Grant took a shot to the noggin this preseason and was ready/cleared to go in a day or so. If that was Best, we'd be talking about him with a whole lot of uncertainty right now.
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He also took a major hit 2 years ago against my alma mater in College Park.I don't know if these things make him any more susceptible to future injury or not but it isnt something I would at least think about.

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No PI behind the line of scrimmage.
 
sjacksonfan said:
When they flex their arms like that it's indicative of a serious brain injury.
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Are you a doctor? A serious brain injury? He got a concussion. Looks like a spring chicken on the field so far, and is talking fine. Seeing that he has full capacity of speech, motor, and cognitive functions - I'm going to go out on a limb and say you are going a little overboard here.
 
Balance said:
sjacksonfan said:
When they flex their arms like that it's indicative of a serious brain injury.
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Are you a doctor? A serious brain injury? He got a concussion. Looks like a spring chicken on the field so far, and is talking fine. Seeing that he has full capacity of speech, motor, and cognitive functions - I'm going to go out on a limb and say you are going a little overboard here.
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Am I a doctor? No, but you don't need to have a medical degree to know that a severe concussion is a serious injury to the brain. The guy was backboarded and carted off the field in an oxygen mask. Going to go out on a limb and say the doctors on the field thought the injury was serious. As far as posturing being indicative of a serious injury...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abnormal_posturing

 
sjacksonfan said:
Balance said:
sjacksonfan said:
When they flex their arms like that it's indicative of a serious brain injury.
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Are you a doctor? A serious brain injury? He got a concussion. Looks like a spring chicken on the field so far, and is talking fine. Seeing that he has full capacity of speech, motor, and cognitive functions - I'm going to go out on a limb and say you are going a little overboard here.
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Am I a doctor? No, but you don't need to have a medical degree to know that a severe concussion is a serious injury to the brain. The guy was backboarded and carted off the field in an oxygen mask. Going to go out on a limb and say the doctors on the field thought the injury was serious. As far as posturing being indicative of a serious injury...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abnormal_posturing
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A wiki link was about what I expected.Calling out an indication of a serious brain injury is not something you are qualiffied to do.

If doctors feel he has a serious brain injury he wouldn't be on the field.

 
Balance said:
sjacksonfan said:
Balance said:
sjacksonfan said:
When they flex their arms like that it's indicative of a serious brain injury.
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Are you a doctor? A serious brain injury? He got a concussion. Looks like a spring chicken on the field so far, and is talking fine. Seeing that he has full capacity of speech, motor, and cognitive functions - I'm going to go out on a limb and say you are going a little overboard here.
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Am I a doctor? No, but you don't need to have a medical degree to know that a severe concussion is a serious injury to the brain. The guy was backboarded and carted off the field in an oxygen mask. Going to go out on a limb and say the doctors on the field thought the injury was serious. As far as posturing being indicative of a serious injury...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abnormal_posturing
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A wiki link was about what I expected.Calling out an indication of a serious brain injury is not something you are qualiffied to do.

If doctors feel he has a serious brain injury he wouldn't be on the field.
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There's no disputing he suffered a serious injury. Wes Welker suffered a serious knee injury last year, he's out there running around now. Not sure what you're getting at here. You can suffer an injury and eventually doctors can clear you. The guy did miss the rest of his junior season after that play.
 
sjacksonfan said:
Balance said:
sjacksonfan said:
Balance said:
sjacksonfan said:
When they flex their arms like that it's indicative of a serious brain injury.
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Are you a doctor? A serious brain injury? He got a concussion. Looks like a spring chicken on the field so far, and is talking fine. Seeing that he has full capacity of speech, motor, and cognitive functions - I'm going to go out on a limb and say you are going a little overboard here.
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Am I a doctor? No, but you don't need to have a medical degree to know that a severe concussion is a serious injury to the brain. The guy was backboarded and carted off the field in an oxygen mask. Going to go out on a limb and say the doctors on the field thought the injury was serious. As far as posturing being indicative of a serious injury...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abnormal_posturing
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A wiki link was about what I expected.Calling out an indication of a serious brain injury is not something you are qualiffied to do.

If doctors feel he has a serious brain injury he wouldn't be on the field.
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There's no disputing he suffered a serious injury. Wes Welker suffered a serious knee injury last year, he's out there running around now. Not sure what you're getting at here. You can suffer an injury and eventually doctors can clear you. The guy did miss the rest of his junior season after that play.
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He HAD a concussion. He does not HAVE a serious brain injury (as evidenced by being cleared to play).You are not a doctor, and I don't think "serious brain injury" is even a diagnosis.

All I'm getting at here is that you are not a doctor, and not the person that should be trying to evaluate someone's condition based off a youtube video and a wiki link. It is ridiculous.

 
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Balance said:
He HAD a concussion. He does not HAVE a serious brain injury (as evidenced by being cleared to play).You are not a doctor, and I don't think "serious brain injury" is even a diagnosis.All I'm getting at here is that you are not a doctor, and not the person that should be trying to evaluate someone's condition based off a youtube video and a wiki link. It is ridiculous.
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A concussion is a brain injury. He suffered one. What's the problem here? I'm guessing this is shtick? :confused:
 
sjacksonfan said:
Balance said:
He HAD a concussion. He does not HAVE a serious brain injury (as evidenced by being cleared to play).You are not a doctor, and I don't think "serious brain injury" is even a diagnosis.All I'm getting at here is that you are not a doctor, and not the person that should be trying to evaluate someone's condition based off a youtube video and a wiki link. It is ridiculous.
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A concussion is a brain injury. He suffered one. What's the problem here? I'm guessing this is shtick? :confused:
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Nope.We established you aren't in any position to make such statements. No more conversation needed. Goodluck.
 
Balance said:
sjacksonfan said:
Balance said:
He HAD a concussion. He does not HAVE a serious brain injury (as evidenced by being cleared to play).You are not a doctor, and I don't think "serious brain injury" is even a diagnosis.All I'm getting at here is that you are not a doctor, and not the person that should be trying to evaluate someone's condition based off a youtube video and a wiki link. It is ridiculous.
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A concussion is a brain injury. He suffered one. What's the problem here? I'm guessing this is shtick? :confused:
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Nope.We established you aren't in any position to make such statements. No more conversation needed. Goodluck.
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So you're saying he didn't suffer a concussion? :confused: I think my initial post confused you. I said posturing is indicative of a severe brain injury. Look at his arms after he smacked his head. That's what he did. Since the concussion he's obviously been cleared to play.
 
Balance said:
sjacksonfan said:
Balance said:
He HAD a concussion. He does not HAVE a serious brain injury (as evidenced by being cleared to play).You are not a doctor, and I don't think "serious brain injury" is even a diagnosis.All I'm getting at here is that you are not a doctor, and not the person that should be trying to evaluate someone's condition based off a youtube video and a wiki link. It is ridiculous.
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A concussion is a brain injury. He suffered one. What's the problem here? I'm guessing this is shtick? :confused:
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Nope.We established you aren't in any position to make such statements. No more conversation needed. Goodluck.
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A serious concussion is now thought to lead to a great susceptibility to future concussions. It is a future concern with Best.(not a doctor, just stuff I have read)
 
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"We've done several studies showing that concussions are cumulative," says Joseph Maroon, vice chair of the department of neurosurgery at the University of Pittsburgh and team physician of the Pittsburgh Steelers. "If you return to football while still suffering the effects, the chances of having a more severe concussion, caused by less force, are greater; but we are finding that individuals who have had one or two concussions are more susceptible beyond the recovery period."

 
Took him in the third round today and I feel very strong about it. RB's flew off the board and my opponents practically made the choice easy for me with their picks.

 
None_More_Black said:
"We've done several studies showing that concussions are cumulative," says Joseph Maroon, vice chair of the department of neurosurgery at the University of Pittsburgh and team physician of the Pittsburgh Steelers. "If you return to football while still suffering the effects, the chances of having a more severe concussion, caused by less force, are greater; but we are finding that individuals who have had one or two concussions are more susceptible beyond the recovery period."
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Since you're not a doctor, you're not allowed to quote doctors, either. In fact, you're not allowed to use the word "doctor."I do think he can still have a successful NFL career, though. I wouldn't shy away from him based on that concussion, but it does indicate some risk with the pick. But I think it's a risk worth taking. I'm sure NFL teams weigh those very risks before a draft.
 
Neil Beaufort Zod said:
None_More_Black said:
"We've done several studies showing that concussions are cumulative," says Joseph Maroon, vice chair of the department of neurosurgery at the University of Pittsburgh and team physician of the Pittsburgh Steelers. "If you return to football while still suffering the effects, the chances of having a more severe concussion, caused by less force, are greater; but we are finding that individuals who have had one or two concussions are more susceptible beyond the recovery period."
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Since you're not a doctor, you're not allowed to quote doctors, either. In fact, you're not allowed to use the word "doctor."I do think he can still have a successful NFL career, though. I wouldn't shy away from him based on that concussion, but it does indicate some risk with the pick. But I think it's a risk worth taking. I'm sure NFL teams weigh those very risks before a draft.
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<doctorfan> Drafted him tonight in my 12 year old league, just pointing out one reason he fell in the the NFL draft.</kneelbeforedoctorfan>
 
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I like Best and the potential and I am thinking about taking him in one of my leagues. The problem is I will need to take him at 3.12 or 4.1 to get him. He is still a rookie and while that offense should be improved I don't think any of us know how Detroit will use him. They also have a few nice games on their schedule (STL, BUf, TB) but the majority of their schedule is against good defenses, who are stronger vs. the run than the pass. I don't know if he is going to return on using a pick that high.

 
jurrassic said:
I like Best and the potential and I am thinking about taking him in one of my leagues. The problem is I will need to take him at 3.12 or 4.1 to get him. He is still a rookie and while that offense should be improved I don't think any of us know how Detroit will use him. They also have a few nice games on their schedule (STL, BUf, TB) but the majority of their schedule is against good defenses, who are stronger vs. the run than the pass. I don't know if he is going to return on using a pick that high.
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There is a very good chance he won't be available at 3.12.
 
jurrassic said:
I like Best and the potential and I am thinking about taking him in one of my leagues. The problem is I will need to take him at 3.12 or 4.1 to get him. He is still a rookie and while that offense should be improved I don't think any of us know how Detroit will use him. They also have a few nice games on their schedule (STL, BUf, TB) but the majority of their schedule is against good defenses, who are stronger vs. the run than the pass. I don't know if he is going to return on using a pick that high.
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There is no other half-back on the team that has any business being on the feild with Best is healthy except to give him a breather. He will be their main rusher and reciever out of the backfield. The only thing unknown is if he will get the ball on the goal line.
 
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None_More_Black said:
"We've done several studies showing that concussions are cumulative," says Joseph Maroon, vice chair of the department of neurosurgery at the University of Pittsburgh and team physician of the Pittsburgh Steelers. "If you return to football while still suffering the effects, the chances of having a more severe concussion, caused by less force, are greater; but we are finding that individuals who have had one or two concussions are more susceptible beyond the recovery period."
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Sometimes it only takes one serious concussion and the individual will be more susceptible for the rest of their lives.and it's not an exact science. people have brain scans and are cleared to play only to have to stop a week later and go back into recovery mode.So in the end there are things about concusssions that even the best doctors and neurosurgeons cannot tell you about the long term effects of a concussion.Even in Boxing, there are a lot of undefeated contenders that have one brutal knockout loss and never return to the ring or if they do return, they are never the same. That is not by accident. it is because of a concussion that they got as a result of being knocked out.With that being said, the guy is right to be concerned about it. I guess the question you have to ask yourself is what kind of a risk premium do you add to their ADP?Maybe you just do your research to find out just what kind of treatment the guy had for his concussion and maybe you're satisfied he is ok. Well, then fine. but if you arent comfortable, you make the adjustment based on what you feel the risks are.this is just smart fantasy football.I have my own rating system for this sort of thing, but dont have the time to discuss this today, but in my system, I did make a small adjustment for injury risk for Best based on my own research but I did not take him off my draft board. From the look of things the other NFL teams did the same because a player of his talent would normally have been drafted earlier in the NFL draft (in my opinion) so this is a legitimate concern. I dont consider it to be a major one (if it was, I dont think he would have been drafted in the first round) but I do think it is still a concern to be aware of.anyhow, good luck everyone.
 
Just Win Baby said:
In my 16 team redraft tonight, he went at 2.11, as the 18th RB drafted.
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27 picks in and 18 backs were taken? The rumors of the demise of stud RB are greatly exaggerated...
 
16 team re-draft on thursday (before his 3rd preseason game last night)...

3.08 (pick #40) by a Cal alum (me). he definitely wouldn't have lasted past the 3rd round.

 
Just landed him at 4.09 in a keep 2, PPR. Paired him with Gore. Looks like labor day drafters are going to have to pony up no later than a 3rd?

 
Got a 10 teamer tonight with a bunch of Bay Area folk and several Cal alums. Should be interesting.

 
EBF said:
Got a 10 teamer tonight with a bunch of Bay Area folk and several Cal alums. Should be interesting.
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the all Cal team:aaron rodgersjahvid bestdesean jacksontony gonzalezdare i even include him....marshawn lynch
 
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PR Sparty said:
10 team auction last night with a bunch of Detroit homers and he went for $23. 17th highest paid RB ($220 cap)
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This seems quite reasonable for this guy. I had him pegged as a low end RB2 in terms of value based on three things:1) he is a rookie2) adjustment for injury risk3) part of Detroits offense.He may produce as a RB1 but the adjustments for risk had me place him somewhere around here in terms of value.Thanks for the info.
 
red said:
EBF said:
Got a 10 teamer tonight with a bunch of Bay Area folk and several Cal alums. Should be interesting.
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the all Cal team:aaron rodgers

jahvid best

desean jackson

tony gonzalez

dare i even include him....marshawn lynch
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Ryan Longwell at kicker. Lavelle Hawkins is still on Tennessee's roster (at least for now).

And you missed Justin Forsett.

 
Ray_T said:
PR Sparty said:
10 team auction last night with a bunch of Detroit homers and he went for $23. 17th highest paid RB ($220 cap)
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This seems quite reasonable for this guy. I had him pegged as a low end RB2 in terms of value based on three things:1) he is a rookie2) adjustment for injury risk3) part of Detroits offense.He may produce as a RB1 but the adjustments for risk had me place him somewhere around here in terms of value.Thanks for the info.
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This afternoon I had to pay $27 in a $200 salary cap league to get him.
 
Best got drafted at 3.07 in a 12 team non ppr league I drafted in tonight.

Tomorrow is the draft in my money league (1 vet keeper + max 3 rookie keepers - guys you drafted when they came into the NFL as rookies). I'm picking 3rd and don't have a veteran keeper. Mathews will go #1 overall and if I want Best I need to get him at 1.03, over Wayne, Austin, Benson, White, Romo and Brady among others.

 
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I reached a bit for Best at 2.10, but I did not want to risk him not being there at 3.03. A bit of a homer pick for me, but it is nice to have guys on your team you can cheer for. I still think he ends up being better than several of the backs taken ahead of him.

 
Just finished a 12 team PPR draft. Took him at 3.11. Thought about Romo there, but fortunately he was still there at 4.02.

This is a flex league and the RB's flew off the board.

 
Went 40th in a draft I just finished (RB15)

To give a frame of reference:

31 - Benson

39 - PThomas

45 - Foster

51 - JStewart

54 - Spiller

 
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