Alex P Keaton
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CrossEyed
Footballguy
But if his turf toe(s) is mostly healed, there's reason to think that his production could go up compared to where it has been the past few weeks.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Probably because his name is Best. Seems a little like false advertising.
I get it, but that can be said of a lot of players. And he's been startable in a PPR league every week except one. If someone told you before the season that six games in, Best would be on pace for 1,500 total yards, 10+ td's, and 70 or so receptions, I think you would've been happy. For whatever reason, he's become a real lightning rod on this forum, and I can't figure out why. A guy like Larry Fitzgerald went 2 rounds or so earlier than Best, yet people seem to be complaining less about the awful year that he's had, yet Best is putting up a great rookie year and everyone is still fighting over him. Don't get it at all.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Which is exactly why I wrote this:
I'm not saying the guy sucks. Nothing remotely like that. If folks want to look at his cumulative season stats and ignore 5 weeks (out of 6) of relatively mediocre performance, that's fine by me. He absolutely could see an increase in production going forward for all of the reasons mentioned.....and I hope that he does.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
In non-PPR, he wasn't startable in week 3 (39 total yds) or week 6 (47 total yds) and was barely startable in start-3RB leagues for week 4 (84 yds, 1 lost fumble).
Fair enough -- but I would have hoped that owners had very modest expectations in non-PPR leagues going into this season.In non-PPR, he wasn't startable in week 3 (39 total yds) or week 6 (47 total yds) and was barely startable in start-3RB leagues for week 4 (84 yds, 1 lost fumble).
unckeyherb
Footballguy
See, this is the problem I have with your posts. He has not had 5 weeks of mediocre performance. Here is his rankings on a week to week basis:Week One: RB06Week Two: RB01Week Three: RB44 (start of Turf Toe)Week Four: RB30Week Five: RB15Week Six: RB32Week Seven: byeHe's finished in the top 15 50% of the season and has been top ten twice, number one overall once. The bigger point here is that he was drafted as a RB 2/3 in most leagues. I personally was lucky enough to get him as a RB3 or flex option in my league. He has been thrust into every week starter for me due to Grant going down, but the reality is that he was taken by most to perform as RB25-36 on a weekly basis. He is currently ranked RB7.
Fair enough, but anyone that took him with expectations that he'd be a viable starter did so in PPR leagues, based on his role in the passing game. Anyone that took him as a RB2/3 in non-PPR and expected him to live up to that point production was fooling themselves from the drop. He is averaging just over 5 receptions per game, and is on pace for 83 over the course of the season. Again, I'll agree that as an NFL RB he has been lackluster in the rushing department. This is FF though. I don't care how he gets me points, just that he does. My league's point scoring is structured in such a way that a player of his type does well. I knew this and drafted accordingly. If I was in a NON-PPR, I would not have targeted him to be in my starting lineup.
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Best = Detroit's version of Kevin Faulk
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
That is correct.
footballsavvy
Footballguy
So far I owned Pierre Thomas, Best, Felix Jones. Wonder how many of my players this draft can ruin.That is correct.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
UNLESS the coaches envision a sort of Mercury Morris/Larry Csonka split where each guy will get plenty of carries, I can't see Leshoure not being the bellcow on 1st & 2nd downs. GREAT for the Lions and Best's long-term health... terrible for Best owners.That is correct.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Leshoure is to Best what TJones is to Charles or what Mcgahee is to Rice.
thehornet
Footballguy
Completely disagree. Leshoure is gonna be a stud. This pretty bad news for Best.
footballsavvy
Footballguy
If you are correct, a lot of people passed on him who could have used a stud RB.
thehornet
Footballguy
True. Has that never happened before?
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Unless you are supposed to be the next GREAT running back, there simply isn't a high premium on them in the NFL draft. One, because they typically have a short shelf life, but mainly because even average RBs can look terrific behind a good O-line. It's probably the easiest plug-and-play position to fill.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Its not good news for Best, but he wasnt likely to be the goalline back next year no matter what. I wasnt a big fan of Leshoure coming into this draft, but i wouldnt touch him with a top 8 rookie pick this year.
footballsavvy
Footballguy
Of course. I'm just saying that you make the comment in a very matter-of-fact way, which is misleading. Sure he might be a stud, but he also might not be. Either way, Best will be on the field a lot. It was probably a pipe dream for anyone expecting 350 touches for Best anyway.
Best has a gear which Leshoure does not possess. They complement each other perfectly and both will see 8 to 15 touches a game.
thehornet
Footballguy
Sorry. I think Leshoure can be a stud. I also think he will significantly chew into Best's touches/value. Furthermore, if Best can't beat the injury bug/label, then Leshoure will simply just steal the job outright, imo, of course.
thehornet
Footballguy
Of course. I could see Leshoure outcarrying Best by significant number. Their overall touches should be very even however.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
People are under the assumption that the bigger back is the lead back and the smaller back is the COP/3rd down back. Like i said, im looking for a Rice/Mcgahee type situation here.
thehornet
Footballguy
I think people assume this becuase traditionally it is the way it works. So you think the touch split will be 80/20 Best? That nearly what it was last year.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
60/40Best 190-220 carries, 50-60 receptions.Leshoure 160-180 carries 10-20 receptions, short yardage/goaline back.Edit, it doesnt always work that way:Chris Johnson/Lendale WhiteJamaal Charles/Thomas JonesLesean Mccoy/Mike BellRay Rice/Willis Mcgahee
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
They could easily be on the field at the same time, also.
Put Best in the slot or in motion and bubble-screen/swing pass the hell out of everyone.
Put Best in the slot or in motion and bubble-screen/swing pass the hell out of everyone.
thehornet
Footballguy
Ok, well that's not a Rice/Mcgahee situation.
eakfootball
Footballguy
What is Best worth in rookie picks right now?
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
The value of both of these backs is directly tied to the QB who takes over after Stafford's annual injury.
Sebowski
Footballguy
That depends. What's your roster?
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
I didnt say it would be exact, just similar. More just that the smaller guy would be the lead back.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
I wouldnt consider anything not in the top 3, especially in PPR. The 1.4 is not nearly as clear cut i thought it would end up being.
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thehornet
Footballguy
I didn't say it did. I was commenting on why people think that way.And dude, Thomas Jones and Jamaal were nearly an even split last year so it is a bad example and Lendale last played in TN 3 years ago. Of course CJ got more touches.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
I was refering to how it was in Tennessee back then. I know Jamaal and Jones were almost even in touches, im not giving exact examples, just a range were i think Best will fall into. Of course alot is going to depend on just how good Leshoure ends up being. Like i said before, i wasnt very impressed with Leshoure coming into the draft, so of course i dont see him as the type of guy who is going to come in and take the starting job from Best. The Chris Johnson/Lendale White situation is probably the closest example of what i see happening in Detroit this season.I didn't say it did. I was commenting on why people think that way.And dude, Thomas Jones and Jamaal were nearly an even split last year so it is a bad example and Lendale last played in TN 3 years ago. Of course CJ got more touches.
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
What don't you like about him?
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
He doesnt run as big as his size. Thats not to say he doesnt have good power/balance but its not enough to make up for his lack of explosion/acceleration. He doesnt have great long speed either, and at best is only an average pass catcher. I dont think he is going to be a bust, i just dont see him being anything more than an average NFL RB.
Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
Not a huge Leshoure fan, but it's pretty apparent they needed a 2nd RB there.
Should open up using Best in a variety of ways and provide significant mismatches.
Should open up using Best in a variety of ways and provide significant mismatches.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
With Kevin Smith gone and Morris on the wrong side of 30, RB was a big need for Detroit. I thought they should have went defense with their 2nd rounders and used a later pick on a guy like Delone Carter, but either way, they were not coming out of this draft without at least 1 RB. Leshoure does seem to be a good fit with Best, but i think it ruined Leshoures value. He would have looked much better in a Colts or Patriots uniform. While this wasnt the best case scenario for Best, it wont hurt his value as much as some think. Which might make this a good time to trade for him.
Rodeojones
Footballguy
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
he lost value, theres no way to spin it... the other kid was the 2nd best rated RB.
The Leshoure/Best duo will be a 1-2 punch. They will go with the hot hand and mix it up. It will be hard to predict who will produce more week to week. I think it is great for the Lions offense and great for Best's health. Not so good for fantasy football folks. Both will be good, but neither will be great.
Prisco at CBS seems pretty clueless....."I like the player, but didn't they pick Jahvid Best last season? Do you need another this high? C-"
Detroit's rush offense was 23rd in the league and a large part of that was Best being banged up. Detroit had a huge need of having a healthy running back who could handle short-yardage situations and stay be healthy to give Best some rest and fill in when he is not healthy. It was a critical need, IMHO. I absolutely love the pick, but it is being attacked by many. I felt they should have done it with their first pick in the second round and not trade for it. They could have gotten Titus in the 3rd or maybe someone better.
Detroit's rush offense was 23rd in the league and a large part of that was Best being banged up. Detroit had a huge need of having a healthy running back who could handle short-yardage situations and stay be healthy to give Best some rest and fill in when he is not healthy. It was a critical need, IMHO. I absolutely love the pick, but it is being attacked by many. I felt they should have done it with their first pick in the second round and not trade for it. They could have gotten Titus in the 3rd or maybe someone better.
AJ Smith 'gets it' apparently
Like the pick, and will probably increase Best's worth to the actual team and his PPR numbers should remain solid.
