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[tombonneau]

First off, condolences for your drafting of Porn'stachio.

I'm curious, given Plummer's NFLE-like debut this season, have any of you all picked up Cutler?? I've seen posts where people have talked about already downright cutting the Element-driving interception-machine, which I think sounds a bit hasty.

A word of advice to you all: I'd pick up Cutler this week. If the Pats kill the Broncos--which is entirely possible as Brady has been chomping at the bit all off-season for this game--and Belichick makes Plummer look silly, I could see Cutler coming in real quick.

And with the bye coming in week 4, if Plummer continues to look bad, expect the Cutler hype to hit overdrive and he'll be snatched off waivers before you can grab him.

I actually think Cutler could produce solid enough stats for him to be a legit QBBC guy by the end of the season.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Obviously I must qualify what I'm about to say with something about the size/depth of the league you're in (also redraft Vs keeper), but I should hope that there are better options out there than having to start a rookie quarterback. If you have to pick up Cutler in a 10-12 team redraft league to backup Plummer, then I think you might be better off looking to trade or something.

 

[SSOG]

First off, condolences for your drafting of Porn'stachio.

I'm curious, given Plummer's NFLE-like debut this season, have any of you all picked up Cutler?? I've seen posts where people have talked about already downright cutting the Element-driving interception-machine, which I think sounds a bit hasty.

A word of advice to you all: I'd pick up Cutler this week. If the Pats kill the Broncos--which is entirely possible as Brady has been chomping at the bit all off-season for this game--and Belichick makes Plummer look silly, I could see Cutler coming in real quick.

And with the bye coming in week 4, if Plummer continues to look bad, expect the Cutler hype to hit overdrive and he'll be snatched off waivers before you can grab him.

I actually think Cutler could produce solid enough stats for him to be a legit QBBC guy by the end of the season.

Shanahan to all those calling for Cutler: Stop it

By Associated Press

September 18, 2006

Mike Shanahan said Monday there’s no way he’s turning the offense over to rookie Jay Cutler even though the coach "dialed down" his offense in Denver’s 9-6 overtime win against Kansas City on Sunday after Plummer’s four-turnover performance the week before.

Plummer was flustered over his handoff-heavy afternoon, but another pedestrian game left him little room to complain about getting reined in. Twice he got the Broncos inside the 5-yard line only to come away empty. He also threw his fourth interception after throwing seven all last season.

Frustrated fans, however, can holler for Cutler, the first-round draft pick from Vanderbilt. Shanahan is sticking by his 10-year veteran who is coming off a career year and is 34-15 as his starter.

Shanahan said he wouldn’t even entertain thoughts of giving Cutler a series here and there.

"No. Same thing happened last year and it is going to happen (again)," Shanahan said of the fans’ love affair with backup quarterbacks. "It happened when John Elway was here, it happened when I was in San Francisco with Joe Montana and Steve Young. This is football and it is great. It is great for talk radio. It is great for TV.

"But Jake has won a lot of games and just because we start out a little slow, like we did last year, doesn’t mean it is the end of the world."

Shanahan said it’s always easy to blame the man under center but it’s usually misdirected criticism.

"Everyone looks at the quarterback and thinks it is totally his fault and that is never true. You have to put a lot of that responsibility on the coaches and the supporting cast," Shanahan said. "People forget very quickly about the tough games that John Elway had here. It is just the nature of the profession."

Shanahan noted that Plummer started slowly last year, too, and had to rely on the defense to salvage a win in Week 2, just like he did this year. Plummer then went eight games without an interception, igniting the Broncos to a 13-3 record and an appearance in the AFC title game.

"Hopefully he plays like he did last season," Shanahan said.

But Plummer didn’t wait until Week 3 this time. After Denver won the coin flip, he moved the Broncos 63 yards to set up Jason Elam’s game-winner five minutes into overtime.

Shanahan put Plummer in the shotgun formation twice on the winning drive "just to give him a little more time to see downfield" and it resulted in a 14-yard completion to David Kircus and a 24-yarder to Javon Walker.

Maybe it shouldn’t be so surprising the Broncos are sputtering on offense with longtime coordinator Gary Kubiak now coaching in Houston. But Shanahan said he’s not so sure there’s an adjustment period going on.

"Since I’m involved with that, it’s the same thing as before," Shanahan said. "It’s always tough to lose coaches, especially great coaches like Gary. But I think Mike (Heimerdinger) has done a great job. I’m still involved. Rick Dennison, our offensive line coach, is here. Bobby Turner is here."

Plummer is as stumped as his coach is over the slow start.

"I don’t have any answers yet," he said. "We have too much talent to struggle like that. The way our defense is playing, we are going to be tough to beat if we get it going offensively."

The Broncos have scored just one touchdown, but that’s one more than they’ve allowed, and safety John Lynch said he’s certain the offense will return to its high-octane power soon enough.

"Historically, we’ve been one of the top offenses in the league," Lynch said. "It’s going to come together. For whatever reason, they’re struggling, but they’ll get it going. There’s big-time talent. I think we’re better talent-wise than we were last year."

Lynch said the defense is prepared to carry the load for however long it takes for Plummer to get the offense going again, "and when we click on all cylinders, we can be an explosive team."

The offense did get some good news Monday when doctors said Rod Smith’s concussion, his third head injury in a year, didn’t appear serious, meaning he might play Sunday at New England.

Krieger: Shanahan won't repeat Griese mistake

Dave Krieger

email | bio

September 19, 2006

Correction

This column should have said that Hall of Fame quarterback Dan Marino reached the Super Bowl in his second NFL season.

Quickie quiz: How many rookie quarterbacks have won the Super Bowl?

Uh, that would be zero.

This is Mike Shanahan's dilemma.

This, and losing his locker room.

Far from giving up his annual Super Bowl dream after a 1-1 start, Shanahan thinks back to the summer of 1999.

And regrets it.

"What you can't do is you can't put somebody in there until his teammates feel he has earned that spot," Shanahan told me Monday. "Not just me, but the guys that go to war. If I learned one thing with Brian Griese, it was that I put him in there too early."

You remember. In John Elway's final season, veteran backup Bubby Brister started four games and the Broncos won them all. When Elway announced his retirement in the spring of '99, Brister moved to the top of the depth chart. Griese, a third-round draft pick in '98, was the quarterback of the future.

Brister was not effective during the '99 preseason and even before the season began, Shanahan announced Griese would replace him as starting quarterback. The Broncos went 6-10 that year.

"Even though I was convinced it was going to happen eventually, the team was not convinced that he was the right guy at the right time," Shanahan said. "And it takes more than a head coach. It takes your team to understand that the guy that has earned that right should keep that position.

"Now, if a guy doesn't perform over time, then obviously everybody loses their position - coaches, offensive linemen, quarterbacks, receivers. That's just the nature of the game. But if I look back in retrospect, I think I hurt Brian by putting him in too early."

Seven years later, it's the same situation times 10. Same because everyone knows Jay Cutler will replace Jake Plummer; the question is when.

Times 10 because Plummer has 10 times the locker room credibility Brister had and the expectations for Cutler are about 10 times those for Griese.

Make no mistake: The organization has fallen more in love with Cutler, if that's possible, since drafting him. And it understands that Plummer, at 31, is probably about as good as he's going to get.

But based on his experience in '99, Shanahan will not be so quick to pull the trigger this time. Although Plummer has played poorly in the Broncos' first two games, he also led them to a 13-3 record last season.

"It's not just your decision, it's those guys that are sweating down there in the pit, those offensive linemen, the defensive linemen," Shanahan said. "It's not just your team, it's their team, and you'd better evaluate it before you make one of those decisions.

"When you're young, sometimes you make a very quick move because you think it's the right thing for the long term. But it might not be the best thing for your team this season or this game, whatever it may be."

Shanahan often deflects questions about Plummer by saying it is not just the quarterback; it is the entire offense. This sounds like the usual boilerplate, but in this case, it's also true.

For the first time since the Super Bowl years, the Broncos are getting mediocre play along the offensive line. The line is too small and light to be good in traditional pass protection, but its athleticism is not opening the holes in the running game it has in the past. The line will not look the same next year.

But the focus always comes back to Plummer and Shanahan's dilemma: Who has the better chance to lead the Broncos to a Super Bowl championship this year, Plummer or Cutler?

History suggests Cutler has little or no chance. Even Hall of Famer Dan Marino, who got there as a rookie, lost the game. Worse, he never made it back, as if getting there so soon was bad karma.

And Jake? That is a matter of debate. But since no rookie has ever done it, you've got to like his chances better than Cutler's. Based on his performance last season, you can make the argument he could manage a Super Bowl winner, much as Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer did, provided the defense did most of the heavy lifting.

Shanahan's dilemma suggests the Broncos aren't winning the Super Bowl this year in either case, which, in turn, suggests there's little point in rushing Cutler into the fire and risking his relationship with his teammates, as Shanahan now thinks he did with Griese.

Most important to the Broncos coach is keeping faith with his locker room and not making the imperious mistake he believes he made seven years ago.

"If a guy's proven himself, he has won for you and he has consistently done the job for you, you'd better give him a chance when there's adversity," Shanahan said.

Plummer can certainly force Shanahan's hand and play his way out of the job this season. It is still all about production. But it will take more than a bad game or two.

I can pull up a dozen other quotes with Shanahan squashing all of the speculation that Cutler's going to get some starts this season. Vegas also agrees with me- you can place a bet on how many games Cutler starts, and "0" gives the worst odds, which means Vegas thinks Cutler is more likely to start NO games than anything else. All of the Denver columnists feel the same way, and all of the informed Denver homers I've talked to agree, too.Cutler's not getting a start unless Plummer is injured, or the Denver Broncos are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.

Furthermore, even if Cutler DOES get a start, there have been... what, two starter-caliber rookie QBs since the advent of fantasy football (Manning and Marino)? Even Big Ben, who is the poster child for rookie success, only finished 21st in fantasy production (and he provided the blueprint that the Broncos would follow with Cutler- run, run, run, run, run, run, pass, run, run, pass, run, run, run, run).

As far as I'm concerned, Cutler has no practical value in normal redraft fantasy leagues. He might have some extremely small value in 16 team leagues, or start-2-QB leagues... but that's about it. I wouldn't even roster him in any league I'm in because (a) he's most likely to never see the field, and (b) if he DOES see the field, odds are he won't have any value, anyway. I'd rather roster a Billy Volek than a Jay Cutler, because at least Volek would probably be start-able if Rivers went down.

 

[Homer]

Cutler's not getting a start unless Plummer is injured, or the Denver Broncos are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.

You're generally a knowledgeable guy, so I gotta ask: What are the chances of Jake Plummer being so BLOODY putrid so far if he wasn't sporting SOME sort of injury?It's your theory, me, I'm just wondering out loud...

 

[SSOG]

Cutler's not getting a start unless Plummer is injured, or the Denver Broncos are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.

You're generally a knowledgeable guy, so I gotta ask: What are the chances of Jake Plummer being so BLOODY putrid so far if he wasn't sporting SOME sort of injury?It's your theory, me, I'm just wondering out loud...

Dunno, but it happened last year, didn't it?As bad as Plummer has been so far, he was worse during a 4-game stretch in 2004 (0 TDs and 10 INTs, iirc). That's always been the book on Plummer- he has some bad games. He's always bounced back so far.

 

[tombonneau]

Well, I'm taking this from a different POV I guess. My only leagues are two 14-teamers, and there are literally 0 starting QBs on our waiver wire. (I think Frye might be out there in one of them, not sure.)

In fact, Leinart & Young are rostered. So any QB who plays is of value. Should only be a week before Walter is picked up.

That said, yeah, 10-12 teamers, he's prob. not worth squat, but 14-16 he has value if he plays.

And I know Shanny has said all the coachspeak in the world he won't pull Jake he learned from his mistakes with Griese, etc., but awhile ago I was reading some essays by the German philospher Schoepenhaeur who talked about how people are who they are and consistantly make the same mistakes & decisions over and over again, no matter that they say, that they will never do this or that again. It's simply in their genetic makeup to make certain decisions. A person says they will never ever cheat again, three months later they are sleeping with their new co-worker.

Anyway, sorry for bringing German philosphy into my discussion, but my point is Shanny has already proven himself to be the type of coach who will yank the starting QB to play the QB of The Future. I contend that he still is this type of coach.

It's not what you say, it's what you do.

Or, since I've already gone all literati high-brow, let me end with something F. Scott Fitzgerald wrote:

ACTION=CHARACTER

 

[bellmar]

I don't see Cutler getting the start either. I drafted Plummer this year in one league and dropped him on waivers last Tuesday. I picked up Favre who had been dropped just before week 2 games. Now another team in the league just picked up Plummer. He cost me a week 2 win since I foolishly didn't think he would stink 2 weeks in a row. So off he goes.

 

[Liquid Tension]

First off, condolences for your drafting of Porn'stachio.

I'm curious, given Plummer's NFLE-like debut this season, have any of you all picked up Cutler?? I've seen posts where people have talked about already downright cutting the Element-driving interception-machine, which I think sounds a bit hasty.

A word of advice to you all: I'd pick up Cutler this week. If the Pats kill the Broncos--which is entirely possible as Brady has been chomping at the bit all off-season for this game--and Belichick makes Plummer look silly, I could see Cutler coming in real quick.

And with the bye coming in week 4, if Plummer continues to look bad, expect the Cutler hype to hit overdrive and he'll be snatched off waivers before you can grab him.

I actually think Cutler could produce solid enough stats for him to be a legit QBBC guy by the end of the season.

Shanahan to all those calling for Cutler: Stop it

By Associated Press

September 18, 2006

Mike Shanahan said Monday there’s no way he’s turning the offense over to rookie Jay Cutler even though the coach "dialed down" his offense in Denver’s 9-6 overtime win against Kansas City on Sunday after Plummer’s four-turnover performance the week before.

Plummer was flustered over his handoff-heavy afternoon, but another pedestrian game left him little room to complain about getting reined in. Twice he got the Broncos inside the 5-yard line only to come away empty. He also threw his fourth interception after throwing seven all last season.

Frustrated fans, however, can holler for Cutler, the first-round draft pick from Vanderbilt. Shanahan is sticking by his 10-year veteran who is coming off a career year and is 34-15 as his starter.

Shanahan said he wouldn’t even entertain thoughts of giving Cutler a series here and there.

"No. Same thing happened last year and it is going to happen (again)," Shanahan said of the fans’ love affair with backup quarterbacks. "It happened when John Elway was here, it happened when I was in San Francisco with Joe Montana and Steve Young. This is football and it is great. It is great for talk radio. It is great for TV.

"But Jake has won a lot of games and just because we start out a little slow, like we did last year, doesn’t mean it is the end of the world."

Shanahan said it’s always easy to blame the man under center but it’s usually misdirected criticism.

"Everyone looks at the quarterback and thinks it is totally his fault and that is never true. You have to put a lot of that responsibility on the coaches and the supporting cast," Shanahan said. "People forget very quickly about the tough games that John Elway had here. It is just the nature of the profession."

Shanahan noted that Plummer started slowly last year, too, and had to rely on the defense to salvage a win in Week 2, just like he did this year. Plummer then went eight games without an interception, igniting the Broncos to a 13-3 record and an appearance in the AFC title game.

"Hopefully he plays like he did last season," Shanahan said.

But Plummer didn’t wait until Week 3 this time. After Denver won the coin flip, he moved the Broncos 63 yards to set up Jason Elam’s game-winner five minutes into overtime.

Shanahan put Plummer in the shotgun formation twice on the winning drive "just to give him a little more time to see downfield" and it resulted in a 14-yard completion to David Kircus and a 24-yarder to Javon Walker.

Maybe it shouldn’t be so surprising the Broncos are sputtering on offense with longtime coordinator Gary Kubiak now coaching in Houston. But Shanahan said he’s not so sure there’s an adjustment period going on.

"Since I’m involved with that, it’s the same thing as before," Shanahan said. "It’s always tough to lose coaches, especially great coaches like Gary. But I think Mike (Heimerdinger) has done a great job. I’m still involved. Rick Dennison, our offensive line coach, is here. Bobby Turner is here."

Plummer is as stumped as his coach is over the slow start.

"I don’t have any answers yet," he said. "We have too much talent to struggle like that. The way our defense is playing, we are going to be tough to beat if we get it going offensively."

The Broncos have scored just one touchdown, but that’s one more than they’ve allowed, and safety John Lynch said he’s certain the offense will return to its high-octane power soon enough.

"Historically, we’ve been one of the top offenses in the league," Lynch said. "It’s going to come together. For whatever reason, they’re struggling, but they’ll get it going. There’s big-time talent. I think we’re better talent-wise than we were last year."

Lynch said the defense is prepared to carry the load for however long it takes for Plummer to get the offense going again, "and when we click on all cylinders, we can be an explosive team."

The offense did get some good news Monday when doctors said Rod Smith’s concussion, his third head injury in a year, didn’t appear serious, meaning he might play Sunday at New England.

Krieger: Shanahan won't repeat Griese mistake

Dave Krieger

email | bio

September 19, 2006

Correction

This column should have said that Hall of Fame quarterback Dan Marino reached the Super Bowl in his second NFL season.

Quickie quiz: How many rookie quarterbacks have won the Super Bowl?

Uh, that would be zero.

This is Mike Shanahan's dilemma.

This, and losing his locker room.

Far from giving up his annual Super Bowl dream after a 1-1 start, Shanahan thinks back to the summer of 1999.

And regrets it.

"What you can't do is you can't put somebody in there until his teammates feel he has earned that spot," Shanahan told me Monday. "Not just me, but the guys that go to war. If I learned one thing with Brian Griese, it was that I put him in there too early."

You remember. In John Elway's final season, veteran backup Bubby Brister started four games and the Broncos won them all. When Elway announced his retirement in the spring of '99, Brister moved to the top of the depth chart. Griese, a third-round draft pick in '98, was the quarterback of the future.

Brister was not effective during the '99 preseason and even before the season began, Shanahan announced Griese would replace him as starting quarterback. The Broncos went 6-10 that year.

"Even though I was convinced it was going to happen eventually, the team was not convinced that he was the right guy at the right time," Shanahan said. "And it takes more than a head coach. It takes your team to understand that the guy that has earned that right should keep that position.

"Now, if a guy doesn't perform over time, then obviously everybody loses their position - coaches, offensive linemen, quarterbacks, receivers. That's just the nature of the game. But if I look back in retrospect, I think I hurt Brian by putting him in too early."

Seven years later, it's the same situation times 10. Same because everyone knows Jay Cutler will replace Jake Plummer; the question is when.

Times 10 because Plummer has 10 times the locker room credibility Brister had and the expectations for Cutler are about 10 times those for Griese.

Make no mistake: The organization has fallen more in love with Cutler, if that's possible, since drafting him. And it understands that Plummer, at 31, is probably about as good as he's going to get.

But based on his experience in '99, Shanahan will not be so quick to pull the trigger this time. Although Plummer has played poorly in the Broncos' first two games, he also led them to a 13-3 record last season.

"It's not just your decision, it's those guys that are sweating down there in the pit, those offensive linemen, the defensive linemen," Shanahan said. "It's not just your team, it's their team, and you'd better evaluate it before you make one of those decisions.

"When you're young, sometimes you make a very quick move because you think it's the right thing for the long term. But it might not be the best thing for your team this season or this game, whatever it may be."

Shanahan often deflects questions about Plummer by saying it is not just the quarterback; it is the entire offense. This sounds like the usual boilerplate, but in this case, it's also true.

For the first time since the Super Bowl years, the Broncos are getting mediocre play along the offensive line. The line is too small and light to be good in traditional pass protection, but its athleticism is not opening the holes in the running game it has in the past. The line will not look the same next year.

But the focus always comes back to Plummer and Shanahan's dilemma: Who has the better chance to lead the Broncos to a Super Bowl championship this year, Plummer or Cutler?

History suggests Cutler has little or no chance. Even Hall of Famer Dan Marino, who got there as a rookie, lost the game. Worse, he never made it back, as if getting there so soon was bad karma.

And Jake? That is a matter of debate. But since no rookie has ever done it, you've got to like his chances better than Cutler's. Based on his performance last season, you can make the argument he could manage a Super Bowl winner, much as Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer did, provided the defense did most of the heavy lifting.

Shanahan's dilemma suggests the Broncos aren't winning the Super Bowl this year in either case, which, in turn, suggests there's little point in rushing Cutler into the fire and risking his relationship with his teammates, as Shanahan now thinks he did with Griese.

Most important to the Broncos coach is keeping faith with his locker room and not making the imperious mistake he believes he made seven years ago.

"If a guy's proven himself, he has won for you and he has consistently done the job for you, you'd better give him a chance when there's adversity," Shanahan said.

Plummer can certainly force Shanahan's hand and play his way out of the job this season. It is still all about production. But it will take more than a bad game or two.

I can pull up a dozen other quotes with Shanahan squashing all of the speculation that Cutler's going to get some starts this season. Vegas also agrees with me- you can place a bet on how many games Cutler starts, and "0" gives the worst odds, which means Vegas thinks Cutler is more likely to start NO games than anything else. All of the Denver columnists feel the same way, and all of the informed Denver homers I've talked to agree, too.Cutler's not getting a start unless Plummer is injured, or the Denver Broncos are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.

Furthermore, even if Cutler DOES get a start, there have been... what, two starter-caliber rookie QBs since the advent of fantasy football (Manning and Marino)? Even Big Ben, who is the poster child for rookie success, only finished 21st in fantasy production (and he provided the blueprint that the Broncos would follow with Cutler- run, run, run, run, run, run, pass, run, run, pass, run, run, run, run).

As far as I'm concerned, Cutler has no practical value in normal redraft fantasy leagues. He might have some extremely small value in 16 team leagues, or start-2-QB leagues... but that's about it. I wouldn't even roster him in any league I'm in because (a) he's most likely to never see the field, and (b) if he DOES see the field, odds are he won't have any value, anyway. I'd rather roster a Billy Volek than a Jay Cutler, because at least Volek would probably be start-able if Rivers went down.

First, Shanahan does what a coach should here and that is say NO WAY JAKE IS OUR GUY, even if he doesn't believe it he should say it because it gives his starting QB and even the team confidence and focus without distraction. It also makes good sense. My wife's family is from Chicago and the Chicago sports talk shows and fans were screaming for Griese this off season. They all wanted him to start and 2 weeks before the start of the year they came to my house and we discussed football (as we all should be doing). I said, "you guys and all you Chicago fans are idiots! Last year you won something like 11 games with a terrible QB. Your best QB is Grossman and he is the only one who could elevate you to the SB. Griese was never that good anyway. He had a golden chance in Miami and stunk it up. Griese may be an adequate backup but you guys are clueless if you think he should start over Grossman; you should prey Grossman stays healthy."Idiot Dolphin fans were clamoring for Joey Harrington last Sunday...JOEY HARRINGTON!

I actually was very impressed with Cutler, but as we have seen OVER AND OVER again pre season is VERY different than the regular season. Plummer is not a great QB, but he has also been underappreciated IMO. Final thought is that the QB only represents at most 12% of the total players contributions (If coaches are included it is less) and Shanahan is correct that everyone shares the blame. QB's get too much credit in victory and too much blame in failure!

 

[Courtjester]

SSOG is dead on.

Cutler is not going to see the field this year unless Denver is done as far as playoff contention or Jake is hurt. This is a team built for the playoffs and beyond--you don't turn a team like that over to a rookie and "hope" for the best.

Sure Cutler looked good in the pre-season, but he was playing against a lot of 2nd and 3rd string guys that are now working at car washes around the country.

The Broncos are 1-1 and not done by any stretch of the imagination. Their schedule is tough but with the Raiders looking like they do and with Green's injury at KC, their only real competition is SD.

The loss of Kubiak, the lack of a defined starting RB and Jake's decision making are causing some transition problems to say the least. The Broncos need and I can't say this enough NEED to get the rolling pocket back into the offense. They dumbed the offense down, but it seems they took away Jake's most important weapon and that is to get him out so he can see the field and run for yardage rather than make a bad decision.

Maybe I am just thinking differently than some, but 10-11 wins might get the AFC West title this year with each team's schedule.

 

[Rogi]

I chose to rid myself of this Plummer headache after week two. After two pathetic performances, I decided I couldn't wait for Plummer to bounce back. IF somehow Cutler took over this season, I don't see him putting up big Fantasy numbers at this point. I dropped Plummer and grabbed Grossman in my redraft league.

 

[SteelerMurf]

I'm gonna pick up Plummer. He was cut this week.

My QBs are Culpepper and Alex Smith. I gotta see how all these guys pan out. It will only cost me my backup defense.

 

[tombonneau]

Bumping just to prove that not only should you never trust anything Shanny says, but that you should always heed the the advice of German philospher Arthur Schoepenhaeur: people never change and consistantly make the same decision over & over when placed in similar situations. Good to remember in both life & fantasy football.

 

[Wingnut]

Im dropping Plummer for Garrard.