Jamaal Charles, RB, Kansas City Chiefs (1 Viewer)

[T with T]

I was a Charles owner last year in a league that rewards big plays-he was great but could have been much better. He could have very easily had 5 more TDs with just a hair of luck.He got tackled at the 1 or 2 yard line after long runs 4 times, and another at the 8 after a 47 yard run

J.Charles left end to BUF 1 for 18 yards M.Cassel pass short middle to 25-J.Charles to ARZ 1 for 25 yardJ.Charles left end pushed ob at ARZ 3 for 39 yardsJ.Charles left end to OAK 8 for 47 yardsJ.Charles up the middle to SL 2 for 80 yards

I don't thinking that I'm cherry picking runs. He had 3 other runs from inside the 10 to inside the 5. Everyone has a story about getting tackled in the red zone so I'm not counting those. He had another nullified by a penalty.I found that interesting, you guys may not.Personally, I think he will end up somewhere in the middle of his 2009 and 2010 production. 2009 was ridiculous in half a year (1100 yards and 8 TDs in his last 8 games but an unsustainable 184 touches).

Just got offered l. blount and b. marshall for JC and politely said no, while I was laughing inside... that is terrible value, two 4th or 5th round picks for a top 3-4 pick.

 

[Grahamburn]

I wasn't going to post in here again, but:

"We led the league in rushing,'' Haley said, "and all I ever hear is how we don't run the ball the right way because Jamaal's not getting it 25 times a game. It's anti-TEAM. The way fans looked at what we did on offense was so fantasy football driven. You know, the curse of the NFL -- the scroll on the bottom of the screen, with all the individual stats. Fortunately for us, Jamaal's such a good team player. He says, 'Coach, I get it. Whatever you want me to do, I'm here.'''

Well?

 

[Raiderfan32904]

First, I'm not worried at all about Haley's comments. If Charles is used as much if not more than last year, I don't think there will be many upset Charles owners. I expect solid numbers with a stable floor and high ceiling.

As Charles fell unexpectedly to me in my PPR draft, I'm playing catchup with Charles info. What are Charles owners doing to secure the KC RB situation? Is Thomas Jones or LaRon McClain or both viable roster spots? If so, where are they being drafted? I picked up Jones very, very late (2nd to last round), when the cupboard was about dry. I was surprised I could still get him. I expect that the relative non-interest in Thomas Jones is a collective signal from my FFL league that Charles is going to be the unquestioned workhorse back.

 

[flyonthewall]

I just cant convince myself to take this guy top five. I am sitting 4th in a 12 team non ppr league and am seriously considering CJ or Mendy over Charles. IF he gets the workload I can see something like 1500/10 500/2...but Thomas Jones got something like 240 carries last year and I just dont see that changing much, especially after Haley's recent comment about force feeding him the ball is "anit-team"!

Am I way off here?

 

[T with T]

I just cant convince myself to take this guy top five. I am sitting 4th in a 12 team non ppr league and am seriously considering CJ or Mendy over Charles. IF he gets the workload I can see something like 1500/10 500/2...but Thomas Jones got something like 240 carries last year and I just dont see that changing much, especially after Haley's recent comment about force feeding him the ball is "anit-team"! Am I way off here?

I think your projections are right on but your crazy to not take him 4th if thats a ppr league... I took him 1.2 in my ppr league... 1500 rushing 10 tds 50 for 500 and 2-4 tds 2000 yards from scrimmage 50 catches and 10-14 tds... I definatly see that possible 250 rushes and 50 catches.. That would put him at 300 touches exactly and a 250 carry 6.0 ypc pace.... he was 6.4 on 230 last year and I think had he been given 20 more carries his ypc would have been somewhere around 5.9-6.1.

 

[death of the cool]

I think your projections are right on but your crazy to not take him 4th if thats a ppr league... I took him 1.2 in my ppr league... 1500 rushing 10 tds 50 for 500 and 2-4 tds

2000 yards from scrimmage 50 catches and 10-14 tds... I definatly see that possible 250 rushes and 50 catches.. That would put him at 300 touches exactly and a 250 carry 6.0 ypc pace.... he was 6.4 on 230 last year and I think had he been given 20 more carries his ypc would have been somewhere around 5.9-6.1.

I agree....Charles dropped to 8th in my ppr, and I couldn't say his name fast enough. If you think he has a similar season as last year....he was the 3rd highest RB in my league behind Foster and Hillis.Mendenhall had 1200 yards and 13 TDs last year and was only 10th in my league. How much better of year will he have than that?

 

[Tanner9919]

I think your projections are right on but your crazy to not take him 4th if thats a ppr league... I took him 1.2 in my ppr league... 1500 rushing 10 tds 50 for 500 and 2-4 tds

2000 yards from scrimmage 50 catches and 10-14 tds... I definatly see that possible 250 rushes and 50 catches.. That would put him at 300 touches exactly and a 250 carry 6.0 ypc pace.... he was 6.4 on 230 last year and I think had he been given 20 more carries his ypc would have been somewhere around 5.9-6.1.

I agree....Charles dropped to 8th in my ppr, and I couldn't say his name fast enough. If you think he has a similar season as last year....he was the 3rd highest RB in my league behind Foster and Hillis.Mendenhall had 1200 yards and 13 TDs last year and was only 10th in my league. How much better of year will he have than that?

look at Mendy's 2011 schedule, and look at JC's 2011 schedule.big difference..

Steelers look all-in for 2011, they look unstoppable. they have perhaps the easiest schedule since the 2007 Pats.

Chiefs look worse-than-ho-hum , in fact, they look absolutely dreadful in preseason.take it for what you like, but any team like that, doing that poorly in preseason,is a red flag to me..something's missing, i.e., Charlie Weis..

don't count on JC seeing anything close to last year's numbers without him, and add to it the very tough schedule the Chiefs face, especially the final 7-8 weeks or so.he's also part of a RBBC..

and you're going to pick him at #4? what am I missing here?

 

[T with T]

I think your projections are right on but your crazy to not take him 4th if thats a ppr league... I took him 1.2 in my ppr league... 1500 rushing 10 tds 50 for 500 and 2-4 tds

2000 yards from scrimmage 50 catches and 10-14 tds... I definatly see that possible 250 rushes and 50 catches.. That would put him at 300 touches exactly and a 250 carry 6.0 ypc pace.... he was 6.4 on 230 last year and I think had he been given 20 more carries his ypc would have been somewhere around 5.9-6.1.

I agree....Charles dropped to 8th in my ppr, and I couldn't say his name fast enough. If you think he has a similar season as last year....he was the 3rd highest RB in my league behind Foster and Hillis.Mendenhall had 1200 yards and 13 TDs last year and was only 10th in my league. How much better of year will he have than that?

look at Mendy's 2011 schedule, and look at JC's 2011 schedule.big difference..

Steelers look all-in for 2011, they look unstoppable. they have perhaps the easiest schedule since the 2007 Pats.

Chiefs look worse-than-ho-hum , in fact, they look absolutely dreadful in preseason.take it for what you like, but any team like that, doing that poorly in preseason,is a red flag to me..something's missing, i.e., Charlie Weis..

don't count on JC seeing anything close to last year's numbers without him, and add to it the very tough schedule the Chiefs face, especially the final 7-8 weeks or so.he's also part of a RBBC..

and you're going to pick him at #4? what am I missing here?

You are throwing blindless statements about weiss and things that don't make sense. He was in a rbbc last year and was still top five and also could have had lots more tds... He got caught inside the five yard line like 4-5 times... He could have way more tds. It's not like Charles was overworked last year, he was used less then I think they plan to use him in 2011. He wasn't even a starter last year, I think This year he will be the starter, LOL I know that sounds funny but Hopefully Haley smartens up and gives this stud back 300 touches.....

 

[ghawk]

I think your projections are right on but your crazy to not take him 4th if thats a ppr league... I took him 1.2 in my ppr league... 1500 rushing 10 tds 50 for 500 and 2-4 tds

2000 yards from scrimmage 50 catches and 10-14 tds... I definatly see that possible 250 rushes and 50 catches.. That would put him at 300 touches exactly and a 250 carry 6.0 ypc pace.... he was 6.4 on 230 last year and I think had he been given 20 more carries his ypc would have been somewhere around 5.9-6.1.

I agree....Charles dropped to 8th in my ppr, and I couldn't say his name fast enough. If you think he has a similar season as last year....he was the 3rd highest RB in my league behind Foster and Hillis.Mendenhall had 1200 yards and 13 TDs last year and was only 10th in my league. How much better of year will he have than that?

look at Mendy's 2011 schedule, and look at JC's 2011 schedule.big difference..

Steelers look all-in for 2011, they look unstoppable. they have perhaps the easiest schedule since the 2007 Pats.

Chiefs look worse-than-ho-hum , in fact, they look absolutely dreadful in preseason.take it for what you like, but any team like that, doing that poorly in preseason,is a red flag to me..something's missing, i.e., Charlie Weis..

don't count on JC seeing anything close to last year's numbers without him, and add to it the very tough schedule the Chiefs face, especially the final 7-8 weeks or so.he's also part of a RBBC..

and you're going to pick him at #4? what am I missing here?

I know I'm going against the grain here, but I totally agree with you. I need more than 13.6 touches per game coming from my first round RB. I had him last year and it was frustrating seeing him going into the 4th quarter with 8 or 9 touches.

 

[death of the cool]

look at Mendy's 2011 schedule, and look at JC's 2011 schedule.big difference..Steelers look all-in for 2011, they look unstoppable. they have perhaps the easiest schedule since the 2007 Pats.Chiefs look worse-than-ho-hum , in fact, they look absolutely dreadful in preseason.take it for what you like, but any team like that, doing that poorly in preseason,is a red flag to me..something's missing, i.e., Charlie Weis..don't count on JC seeing anything close to last year's numbers without him, and add to it the very tough schedule the Chiefs face, especially the final 7-8 weeks or so.he's also part of a RBBC..and you're going to pick him at #4? what am I missing here?

So how many more yards than 1273 does Mendenhall get this year? How many more TD's than 13? He is already as maxed out on touches as he can get.(don't get me started on the history of backs with that many touches). Does he all of a sudden become a 40+ reception guy? He has never been a back to bust long runs. I don't think his ceiling is much higher than last year...maybe he can better his TD's by a few, but I think you are on a slippery slope expecting a guy to get 13+ TDs.Now let's talk Charles. He only had 5 rushing TD's last year. Do you think it is more likely that he gets more than 5 or Mendenhall gets more than 13? KC has a tougher schedule this year, so maybe Charles yards come down from 1400.(I could easily see him in the 1100 range), but if the chiefs are behind in games....who will be in at RB? The answer isn't Thomas Jones. I can easily see Charles receptions and receiving yards take a nice bump if that is the case.I think this is a simple case of you just looking at Pittsburgh's schedule and assuming because it appears easy Mendenhall will have an MVP season....then automatically discounting Charles because he is not a 20+ carry back.

 

[flyonthewall]

look at Mendy's 2011 schedule, and look at JC's 2011 schedule.big difference..Steelers look all-in for 2011, they look unstoppable. they have perhaps the easiest schedule since the 2007 Pats.Chiefs look worse-than-ho-hum , in fact, they look absolutely dreadful in preseason.take it for what you like, but any team like that, doing that poorly in preseason,is a red flag to me..something's missing, i.e., Charlie Weis..don't count on JC seeing anything close to last year's numbers without him, and add to it the very tough schedule the Chiefs face, especially the final 7-8 weeks or so.he's also part of a RBBC..and you're going to pick him at #4? what am I missing here?

So how many more yards than 1273 does Mendenhall get this year? How many more TD's than 13? He is already as maxed out on touches as he can get.(don't get me started on the history of backs with that many touches). Does he all of a sudden become a 40+ reception guy? He has never been a back to bust long runs. I don't think his ceiling is much higher than last year...maybe he can better his TD's by a few, but I think you are on a slippery slope expecting a guy to get 13+ TDs.Now let's talk Charles. He only had 5 rushing TD's last year. Do you think it is more likely that he gets more than 5 or Mendenhall gets more than 13? KC has a tougher schedule this year, so maybe Charles yards come down from 1400.(I could easily see him in the 1100 range), but if the chiefs are behind in games....who will be in at RB? The answer isn't Thomas Jones. I can easily see Charles receptions and receiving yards take a nice bump if that is the case.I think this is a simple case of you just looking at Pittsburgh's schedule and assuming because it appears easy Mendenhall will have an MVP season....then automatically discounting Charles because he is not a 20+ carry back.

Wow. Very good point.

 

[mastergg]

Those comments by Haley are the first i've seen that gives you a pretty definitive outlook on how many carries charles will get. i think people are ranking charles HOPING for 25 touches a game, which doesn't look like will happen unless jones gets hurt, which is possible based on his age.

 

[Bayhawks]

Those comments by Haley are the first i've seen that gives you a pretty definitive outlook on how many carries charles will get. i think people are ranking charles HOPING for 25 touches a game, which doesn't look like will happen unless jones gets hurt, which is possible based on his age.

You're wrong here. I havent' seen a single ranking or read a single post that indicates anyone expects (or hopes) Charles will get 25 touches/game. That's 400 touches. If any site/poster had him projected for that many touches, they'd HAVE to have him ranked #1, even if they projected a HUGE drop in his YPC and YPReception.

I am expecting 25 more total touches, FOR THE YEAR. I expect Charles to get 250 carries (1.25 more carries/game) and to SLIGHTLY increase his receptions (to 50). With those projected carries and receptions, I have him as the #3 RB (although that factors in Foster's injury and Johnson's holdout and my belief that he won't be 100% in shape at the beginning of the season).

Those are not huge increases, at all, and he could very possibly be much more involved than that. To be fair, I did project him for 1 more TD this year, than he has last year; but I don't think that's much of a stretch either.

He is a stud. He makes a lot out of little opportunities. If you give him slightly more opportunities, chances are that he will make a lot out of them, as well.

 

[mastergg]

I cant figure out what to do with charles. i've got a 12 team td heavy league. 5 points passing td's, 7 points rushing, 5 point 40+ yd td bonus. 2point 100 yd rush and 300 yd pass bonus plus 1 point for every 50 yds. our league has been together for 20 years, so nobody fools anyone on draft day. i've got the 9th pick. our draft so far is looking like AP, Vick, C2K, Rodgers, 5-8 will at least have mendenhall, rice, and probably brady. I'm looking at either Mcfadden or Charles. I prefer Mcfadden, because he's so easy to handcuff. bush had 2 100 yd games and 2 td's as a starter.

I'm wondering if Charles was limited more in touches by Weiss. If Charles reverts back to that last half of 2009, he's the number one guy in the league. If kc is worse this year, who's going to be seeing more action, jones?? It moght be one of those situations where you have to play charles more to keep them in games. but i still have this feeling that for the 9th pick, he's still going to have those games where jones has more carries, which is unacceptable for a first rounder. still can't decide. Leaning towards the "safer" pick in dmac, due to the handcuff situation. Raider starting rb should get about 7 100 yd games and 12-13 tds with a couple long ones.

 

[Gopher State]

Those comments by Haley are the first i've seen that gives you a pretty definitive outlook on how many carries charles will get. i think people are ranking charles HOPING for 25 touches a game, which doesn't look like will happen unless jones gets hurt, which is possible based on his age.

 

[[icon]]

Those comments by Haley are the first i've seen that gives you a pretty definitive outlook on how many carries charles will get. i think people are ranking charles HOPING for 25 touches a game, which doesn't look like will happen unless jones gets hurt, which is possible based on his age.

This was addressed as untrue just two posts above yours. Charles doesn't NEED 25 touches a game.

 

[T with T]

I just cant convince myself to take this guy top five. I am sitting 4th in a 12 team non ppr league and am seriously considering CJ or Mendy over Charles. IF he gets the workload I can see something like 1500/10 500/2...but Thomas Jones got something like 240 carries last year and I just dont see that changing much, especially after Haley's recent comment about force feeding him the ball is "anit-team"! Am I way off here?

so what's the workload??? last year he had 1950 yards and 8 tds with 45 catches, about the same numbers you projected... he actually got tackled like 8 times inside the 5 so had he got a few breaks he could have easily had 10-12 tds... I believe that 250 carries and 50 catches is possible and he could have 2000 yards from scrimmage 50 catches and 12 tds. 8-9 rushing 2-3 rec.

 

[T with T]

I think your projections are right on but your crazy to not take him 4th if thats a ppr league... I took him 1.2 in my ppr league... 1500 rushing 10 tds 50 for 500 and 2-4 tds

2000 yards from scrimmage 50 catches and 10-14 tds... I definatly see that possible 250 rushes and 50 catches.. That would put him at 300 touches exactly and a 250 carry 6.0 ypc pace.... he was 6.4 on 230 last year and I think had he been given 20 more carries his ypc would have been somewhere around 5.9-6.1.

I agree....Charles dropped to 8th in my ppr, and I couldn't say his name fast enough. If you think he has a similar season as last year....he was the 3rd highest RB in my league behind Foster and Hillis.Mendenhall had 1200 yards and 13 TDs last year and was only 10th in my league. How much better of year will he have than that?

look at Mendy's 2011 schedule, and look at JC's 2011 schedule.big difference..

Steelers look all-in for 2011, they look unstoppable. they have perhaps the easiest schedule since the 2007 Pats.

Chiefs look worse-than-ho-hum , in fact, they look absolutely dreadful in preseason.take it for what you like, but any team like that, doing that poorly in preseason,is a red flag to me..something's missing, i.e., Charlie Weis..

don't count on JC seeing anything close to last year's numbers without him, and add to it the very tough schedule the Chiefs face, especially the final 7-8 weeks or so.he's also part of a RBBC..

and you're going to pick him at #4? what am I missing here?

I know I'm going against the grain here, but I totally agree with you. I need more than 13.6 touches per game coming from my first round RB. I had him last year and it was frustrating seeing him going into the 4th quarter with 8 or 9 touches.

He actually avg 17.1 touches per game last year... 275/ 16= 17.1 I guess you meant carries but you said touches twice... Please don't post garbage in the sharks forum...

 

[T with T]

I cant figure out what to do with charles. i've got a 12 team td heavy league. 5 points passing td's, 7 points rushing, 5 point 40+ yd td bonus. 2point 100 yd rush and 300 yd pass bonus plus 1 point for every 50 yds. our league has been together for 20 years, so nobody fools anyone on draft day. i've got the 9th pick. our draft so far is looking like AP, Vick, C2K, Rodgers, 5-8 will at least have mendenhall, rice, and probably brady. I'm looking at either Mcfadden or Charles. I prefer Mcfadden, because he's so easy to handcuff. bush had 2 100 yd games and 2 td's as a starter. I'm wondering if Charles was limited more in touches by Weiss. If Charles reverts back to that last half of 2009, he's the number one guy in the league. If kc is worse this year, who's going to be seeing more action, jones?? It moght be one of those situations where you have to play charles more to keep them in games. but i still have this feeling that for the 9th pick, he's still going to have those games where jones has more carries, which is unacceptable for a first rounder. still can't decide. Leaning towards the "safer" pick in dmac, due to the handcuff situation. Raider starting rb should get about 7 100 yd games and 12-13 tds with a couple long ones.

Dmac hasn't played 16 games in his life time in a season. I say take Charles over dmac because of consistency. I say Charles gets 300 touches and around 2000 yards from scrimmage and 10-12 total tds, up from 8 last year.

 

[gradin123]

Am I only one that is concerned that McCluster might actually steal some touches from Charles this year? McCluster is being used exclusively at RB this year and has been very effective as a receiver out of the backfield in the preseason. In the last preseason game where the Chiefs used their starters a lot Jones had 13 touches, Charles had 11 touches and McCluster had 11 touches and McCluster was being used throughout the game. McCluster is a talented player and if he takes on a Darren Sproles type role in KC now that really could take away a lot of the softer yards Charles has got in the past year and half. What I mean by soft yards is when the running back gets the ball in obvious passing situations.

I actually think Charles will get more of the first down carries this year at the expense of Jones but in turn McCluster may get more 3rd down work at the expense of Charles.

 

[Clutchfanatic]

Hells yeah. I have Mccluster in a ppr AND ppc league. I can play him as my wr3. He would get a pt everytime he touches the ball.

 

[mjr]

A lot of people missed out on Charles coming into the 2010 season because of the harder schedule argument. Anyone remeber? They said his 2009 numbers were a fluke because of the soft schedule.... How Charles would fail in '10 when facing real competition... Are people really still trying to argue this?

Im not worried about KCs schedule, what Haley says, how many touches Jones or McCluster get or any of that other stuff. Charles has proven all of these arguments against him wrong over and over and over again. Go back to 2009 threads on Charles to see just how rediculous those arguments look now...

 

[zamboni]

Hells yeah. I have Mccluster in a ppr AND ppc league. I can play him as my wr3. He would get a pt everytime he touches the ball.

Good analysis.

 

[ponchsox]

Hells yeah. I have Mccluster in a ppr AND ppc league. I can play him as my wr3. He would get a pt everytime he touches the ball.

Good analysis.

 

[Grahamburn]

A lot of people missed out on Charles coming into the 2010 season because of the harder schedule argument. Anyone remeber? They said his 2009 numbers were a fluke because of the soft schedule.... How Charles would fail in '10 when facing real competition... Are people really still trying to argue this? Im not worried about KCs schedule, what Haley says, how many touches Jones or McCluster get or any of that other stuff. Charles has proven all of these arguments against him wrong over and over and over again. Go back to 2009 threads on Charles to see just how rediculous those arguments look now...

Charles' 2010 schedule was equally as easy as his end of year 2009 schedule. I don't think either season is a fluke, but the Chiefs' 2011 schedule is significantly more difficult. The starting QB already has a rib injury, and their 2nd best option in the passing game was just put on IR. KC is in for a rough year.

 

[T with T]

A lot of people missed out on Charles coming into the 2010 season because of the harder schedule argument. Anyone remeber? They said his 2009 numbers were a fluke because of the soft schedule.... How Charles would fail in '10 when facing real competition... Are people really still trying to argue this? Im not worried about KCs schedule, what Haley says, how many touches Jones or McCluster get or any of that other stuff. Charles has proven all of these arguments against him wrong over and over and over again. Go back to 2009 threads on Charles to see just how rediculous those arguments look now...

Charles' 2010 schedule was equally as easy as his end of year 2009 schedule. I don't think either season is a fluke, but the Chiefs' 2011 schedule is significantly more difficult. The starting QB already has a rib injury, and their 2nd best option in the passing game was just put on IR. KC is in for a rough year.

False Graham. You just stated a False statement. If you compare avg points given up to rbs from the chiefs schedule in 10 to 11 it's actually a bit easier in 2011.... Do your research before just randomly throwing stuff out there.

 

[T with T]

In the Bowe thread people are bringing up strength of schedule as a reason Bowe has no shot to repeat his great year - do people think the SOS will effect Charlie's production?

In the offseason, SOS is not a very reliable tool. In THIS offseason, it is even less reliable. No mini-camps have been held, very few rookies have received playbooks, NO rookies have been able to work with their new coaching staffs, no FA's have been signed, etc. Trying to predict which defenses will be tough vs the run and/or the pass can not be done accurately.That being said, I've already posted in this thread that one could argue that KC (according to FBG's Ultimate SOS) is not expected to face a tougher schedule (for RBs, at least).From FBGs 8/5/2010 Ultimate SOS, the average expected fantasy points allowed by KC's opponents for the 2010 season was 17.9 PPG.From FBGs 5/2/2011 Ultimate SOS,the average expected fantasy points allowed by KC's opponents for the 2011 season is 19.0 PPG.That doesn't necessarily mean the schedule is going to be easier or harder this year. What it does mean is that while in hindsight, KC's 2010 schedule may have been easy, we may look back at the end of the 2011 season and say "KC had another easy run schedule, despite what the pre-season SOS looked like."

Grahamburger, how many times do we have to go over this???? I know you are a JC hater and troll, and you have been in this discussion from the beginning. Are you mad you don't have him on any teams or just plain looking for stuff to make up. The schedule bit isn't gonna work bud....Come with better arguments next time that are drawn up and have substance. Your arguments are as weak as you.

 

[Garrett]

I would argue that Darren McFadden is a more talented "catch and run" receiver out of the backfield than Charles. I think the two guys are very similar, and I sometimes wonder why Charles at his ADP is usually seen as a solid pick, while McFadden at a lower cost is seen as a huge gamble.Really weird statistical side note, in their first 3 seasons, both McFadden and Charles have totaled up exactly 1,037 receiving yards. McFadden doing so with less receptions/higher per catch.

 

[Grahamburn]

I never want to see a player get hurt. The Chiefs looked like one of the worst teams in the NFL even with Charles. I was hoping Charles' season would play out over the course of 16 games so you could see how absolutely ridiculous your 2,500 total yard and 15 TD prediction really was, but after how you acted in this thread I hope you drafted him in all of your leagues.

 

[njherdfan]

I never want to see a player get hurt. The Chiefs looked like one of the worst teams in the NFL even with Charles. I was hoping Charles' season would play out over the course of 16 games so you could see how absolutely ridiculous your 2,500 total yard and 15 TD prediction really was, but after how you acted in this thread I hope you drafted him in all of your leagues.