Jamaal Charles, RB, Kansas City Chiefs (1 Viewer)

[DevilintheDetail]

Looks like there is a lot of denial by guys who own Charles in this thread. His blown-out knee is bothering him and the team is throwing all game but isn't playing him. Basically, a worst case scenario for Charles owners. He's an RB3 at best.

 

[ponchsox]

Looks like there is a lot of denial by guys who own Charles in this thread. His blown-out knee is bothering him and the team is throwing all game but isn't playing him. Basically, a worst case scenario for Charles owners. He's an RB3 at best.

 

[SameSongNDance]

What's the number? 4.5 of the top 10 or first round RBs end up busting?Are we seeing the first two in Charles and CJ?

Charles wasn't a first-round RB. More like late second round.

6th round here. I did not participate in a singe draft where he went in the 1st two rounds.

You should join more competitive leagues next year.

 

[Mile High]

Looks like there is a lot of denial by guys who own Charles in this thread. His blown-out knee is bothering him and the team is throwing all game but isn't playing him. Basically, a worst case scenario for Charles owners. He's an RB3 at best.

You should check your leagues scoring. I bet you will find 30 RB+ who have out scored him so far this year.

 

[DevilintheDetail]

Looks like there is a lot of denial by guys who own Charles in this thread. His blown-out knee is bothering him and the team is throwing all game but isn't playing him. Basically, a worst case scenario for Charles owners. He's an RB3 at best.

There are definitely at least 24 RB's I'd rather have than Charles, and his downside risk is greater than most in the 24-30 range. He's a limited, part-time player in the absolute best case scenario. He has a low ceiling on this team and a very, very low floor, as we have seen so far this year.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

There are definitely at least 24 RB's I'd rather have than Charles, and his downside risk is greater than most in the 24-30 range. He's a limited, part-time player in the absolute best case scenario. He has a low ceiling on this team and a very, very low floor, as we have seen so far this year.

 

[Warrior]

Looks like there is a lot of denial by guys who own Charles in this thread. His blown-out knee is bothering him and the team is throwing all game but isn't playing him. Basically, a worst case scenario for Charles owners. He's an RB3 at best.

There are definitely at least 24 RB's I'd rather have than Charles, and his downside risk is greater than most in the 24-30 range. He's a limited, part-time player in the absolute best case scenario. He has a low ceiling on this team and a very, very low floor, as we have seen so far this year.

Just like CJ Spiller, right?

 

[Mile High]

Looks like there is a lot of denial by guys who own Charles in this thread. His blown-out knee is bothering him and the team is throwing all game but isn't playing him. Basically, a worst case scenario for Charles owners. He's an RB3 at best.

There are definitely at least 24 RB's I'd rather have than Charles, and his downside risk is greater than most in the 24-30 range. He's a limited, part-time player in the absolute best case scenario. He has a low ceiling on this team and a very, very low floor, as we have seen so far this year.

Just like CJ Spiller, right?

Spiller was 2nd string and is producing because of an injury. Charles has been starting but not producing. I don't think he has recovered and will be dealing with his injury all year. He will be in and out of the lineup all year.

 

[packersfan]

Looks like there is a lot of denial by guys who own Charles in this thread. His blown-out knee is bothering him and the team is throwing all game but isn't playing him. Basically, a worst case scenario for Charles owners. He's an RB3 at best.

You should check your leagues scoring. I bet you will find 30 RB+ who have out scored him so far this year.

Ryan Fitzpatrick has thrown more TD passes so far this year than Aaron Rodgers. Which QB would you rather have?I'm not comparing Charles to Rodgers mind you; just pointing out that after two games there are a lot of crazy things that could happen in your league which won't hold up over the course of the season. Charles has certainly not produced the way his owners want but unless you have insane RB depth the idea that he's a RB3 is rather ridiculous. In Week 1 he topped 80 yards rushing. It's not like we have to go back very far to find a game this season in which he looked good.

 

[DevilintheDetail]

Looks like there is a lot of denial by guys who own Charles in this thread. His blown-out knee is bothering him and the team is throwing all game but isn't playing him. Basically, a worst case scenario for Charles owners. He's an RB3 at best.

You should check your leagues scoring. I bet you will find 30 RB+ who have out scored him so far this year.

Ryan Fitzpatrick has thrown more TD passes so far this year than Aaron Rodgers. Which QB would you rather have?I'm not comparing Charles to Rodgers mind you; just pointing out that after two games there are a lot of crazy things that could happen in your league which won't hold up over the course of the season. Charles has certainly not produced the way his owners want but unless you have insane RB depth the idea that he's a RB3 is rather ridiculous. In Week 1 he topped 80 yards rushing. It's not like we have to go back very far to find a game this season in which he looked good.

Whether he is an RB3 or not has nothing to do with anyone's RB depth. It is an expression of an RB's relative ranking, i.e. the top 12 RBs are RB1's, numbers 13-24 are RB2's, and 25-36 are RB3's. FWIW, the new Footballguys top 200 forward has Charles as RB23, or a very low RB2. I have him a few spots lower than that at an RB3. Quibble with that ranking if you like, but it is not extreme.

 

[Monsters of the Midway]

Charles owner for multiple years including this year-and last year in the first round .

I was thrilled after week 1, but have to admit I'm worried after last week. Not panicking, not dismissive, somewhere in the middle. I backed myself with Hillis with an early pick because I honestly felt that he would be RB2 minimum if Charles was hurt etc. He's killed me more than Charles thus far.

IMHO this week is very big for Charles and to a lesser extent Hillis. If Charles struggles or doesn't get carries against a bad NO defense then I will be wondering if I should consider him to be more of a flex play until proven otherwise (knee fully healed) etc, a few weeks or more.

FWIW I think Charles will have a big week. I've lost confidence in Hillis though

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Looks like there is a lot of denial by guys who own Charles in this thread. His blown-out knee is bothering him and the team is throwing all game but isn't playing him. Basically, a worst case scenario for Charles owners. He's an RB3 at best.

There are definitely at least 24 RB's I'd rather have than Charles, and his downside risk is greater than most in the 24-30 range. He's a limited, part-time player in the absolute best case scenario. He has a low ceiling on this team and a very, very low floor, as we have seen so far this year.

Or he's a guy who was more productive than any other RB in the past 30 years for his career who showed no signs of slowing down when given an increased (20+ carries) workload over his career.

 

[packersfan]

Looks like there is a lot of denial by guys who own Charles in this thread. His blown-out knee is bothering him and the team is throwing all game but isn't playing him. Basically, a worst case scenario for Charles owners. He's an RB3 at best.

You should check your leagues scoring. I bet you will find 30 RB+ who have out scored him so far this year.

Ryan Fitzpatrick has thrown more TD passes so far this year than Aaron Rodgers. Which QB would you rather have?I'm not comparing Charles to Rodgers mind you; just pointing out that after two games there are a lot of crazy things that could happen in your league which won't hold up over the course of the season. Charles has certainly not produced the way his owners want but unless you have insane RB depth the idea that he's a RB3 is rather ridiculous. In Week 1 he topped 80 yards rushing. It's not like we have to go back very far to find a game this season in which he looked good.

Whether he is an RB3 or not has nothing to do with anyone's RB depth. It is an expression of an RB's relative ranking, i.e. the top 12 RBs are RB1's, numbers 13-24 are RB2's, and 25-36 are RB3's. FWIW, the new Footballguys top 200 forward has Charles as RB23, or a very low RB2. I have him a few spots lower than that at an RB3. Quibble with that ranking if you like, but it is not extreme.

Based on one bad week perhaps not. I'm not someone who's going to massively downgrade talented players based on one bad game. If I did that then guys like Darren McFadden, Julio Jones, Andre Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald would look like shaky fantasy plays going forward when, in my opinion, that's clearly not the case. Again, it's not all flowers and sunshine with Charles. I'm not disputing that. But you only have to go back one game to find one where he looked good and was productive. He isn't Chris Johnson, Beanie Wells or Ryan Williams who have all sucked in both games. He's had one good game and one bad one. I simply think it's far too soon to panic when it comes to his prospects for the remainder of the season. How many Trent Richardson owners were in a state of panic after Week 1? How are they feeling right now?

 

[footballnerd]

who knows, KC might get blown out enough that he's 100% healthy after the bye.....big second half of the season in store.

 

[Quibbler]

FWIW, the new Footballguys top 200 forward has Charles as RB23, or a very low RB2. I have him a few spots lower than that at an RB3. Quibble with that ranking if you like, but it is not extreme.

Why thank you, I will. It's my thing, I guess.I do think you have to leave him in the RB2 ranks, though. His upside is huge--we've seen him be a nice RB1 before--and his downside isn't really much worse than the other low-end RB2 high-end RB3 type guys.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Perhaps I'm being a homer, but I think the Saints matchup isn't as great as some may think. The Saints held opposing RBs to 3.8 a carry so far this season. RG3 and Newton make up a ton of the run yards against the Saints. And the Saints are 9 points favorites vs KC and Charles hasn't been getting much work in blowouts.

 

[Stryker]

Perhaps I'm being a homer, but I think the Saints matchup isn't as great as some may think. The Saints held opposing RBs to 3.8 a carry so far this season. RG3 and Newton make up a ton of the run yards against the Saints. And the Saints are 9 points favorites vs KC and Charles hasn't been getting much work in blowouts.

They've also allowed 5 TDs to all RBs. I am a JC owner but will likely bench him for Gore this week.

 

[DevilintheDetail]

FWIW, the new Footballguys top 200 forward has Charles as RB23, or a very low RB2. I have him a few spots lower than that at an RB3. Quibble with that ranking if you like, but it is not extreme.

Why thank you, I will. It's my thing, I guess.I do think you have to leave him in the RB2 ranks, though. His upside is huge--we've seen him be a nice RB1 before--and his downside isn't really much worse than the other low-end RB2 high-end RB3 type guys.

Well, Hillis was a nice RB1 in 2010, but I bet you don't have him as an RB2 even though he started week 1, has had the same # of touches as Charles, and didn't blow his knee out last year. Charles' downside is re-aggravating the recovering knee and/or not getting carries once the Chiefs fall behind. Both of those outcomes are staring us right in the face. If that happens, he'll probably stay about where he is now - RB40 or so.

 

[cvnpoka]

i wouldnt worry about his knee at all. but crennel and daboll aint going anywhere in the near future so the outlook is really poor for this guy.

 

[the spanker]

i wouldnt worry about his knee at all. but crennel and daboll aint going anywhere in the near future so the outlook is really poor for this guy.

Don't worry about his knee after only playing two games? TWO? Come on Man. And on top of that in the blow-out loss to the Bills, that's when Charles makes his money in catch-up mode catching passes.But you're right, anyway you cut it not looking good for Charles and all his value hinges on the game this week.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

i wouldnt worry about his knee at all. but crennel and daboll aint going anywhere in the near future so the outlook is really poor for this guy.

Don't worry about his knee after only playing two games? TWO? Come on Man. And on top of that in the blow-out loss to the Bills, that's when Charles makes his money in catch-up mode catching passes.But you're right, anyway you cut it not looking good for Charles and all his value hinges on the game this week.

ACL is probably similar to native ACL 1 year after surgery. Outside of a slight weakness in his quad, his knee shouldn't be much worse than most RBs.

 

[therush]

i wouldnt worry about his knee at all. but crennel and daboll aint going anywhere in the near future so the outlook is really poor for this guy.

Don't worry about his knee after only playing two games? TWO? Come on Man. And on top of that in the blow-out loss to the Bills, that's when Charles makes his money in catch-up mode catching passes.But you're right, anyway you cut it not looking good for Charles and all his value hinges on the game this week.

ACL is probably similar to native ACL 1 year after surgery. Outside of a slight weakness in his quad, his knee shouldn't be much worse than most RBs.

Elaborate...

 

[sporthenry]

i wouldnt worry about his knee at all. but crennel and daboll aint going anywhere in the near future so the outlook is really poor for this guy.

Don't worry about his knee after only playing two games? TWO? Come on Man. And on top of that in the blow-out loss to the Bills, that's when Charles makes his money in catch-up mode catching passes.But you're right, anyway you cut it not looking good for Charles and all his value hinges on the game this week.

http://www.jamestownsun.com/event/article/id/169239/group/Sports/Oh no, the horror, AP has a sore knee as well. It is completely common coming off ACL surgery to be sore especially since these guys probably didn't push themselves too hard in practice. If you need either of the two now, you might be in trouble and you might just have to roll the dice or sell them. But these guys will be fine for the 2nd half of the year as they work up more strength in their knees. Hillis has done nothing and Charles will get his as the season goes on. Again, who will shut him down? Is Crennel going to shut him down on the hot seat? If anything, he'll need Charles to show up in the 2nd half to at least show he has the team in the right direction.

 

[LittleLarry]

I watched his Week 1 game and he was hitting the holes like a man possessed. Unlike Hillis who likes to dance around and fall 2 yards forward.

Let's give him another week before passing judgement.

 

[packersfan]

I watched his Week 1 game and he was hitting the holes like a man possessed.

He looked the same in the preseason. That's why I think it all comes down to proper usage - if the Chiefs use Charles the way they should he'll reach the low-level RB1 potential I believe he has. Again, I'd point out that the one positive thing to come out of Week 2 was the fact he was much more involved in the passing game. If that continues, his fantasy value will rise and likely rise significantly.

 

[beerponger]

For what it's worth, I'm going with the psychological hurdle of the one-year anniversary of perhaps the most debilitating injury of his career...I bet he was looking at the first down marker (the one on the ground) before every damn snap.

 

[steelwind]

Charles gearing up for Week 3: The Kansas City Star reports Chiefs running back Jamaal Charles, who was limited Week 2 because of a sore knee, will practice in full Wednesday, according to head coach Romeo Crennel. Charles is expected to play Week 3 at New Orleans. The Saints are yielding 29 Fantasy points per week to running backs, which is second highest in the NFL. Running backs have totaled five touchdowns (four rushing) in two games against New Orleans this season.

(Updated 09/19/2012)

Injury Report

Knee - Full practice. Probable for Week 3 at New Orleans

(Updated - 9/19/12)

 

[Voice Of Reason]

i wouldnt worry about his knee at all. but crennel and daboll aint going anywhere in the near future so the outlook is really poor for this guy.

Don't worry about his knee after only playing two games? TWO? Come on Man. And on top of that in the blow-out loss to the Bills, that's when Charles makes his money in catch-up mode catching passes.But you're right, anyway you cut it not looking good for Charles and all his value hinges on the game this week.

ACL is probably similar to native ACL 1 year after surgery. Outside of a slight weakness in his quad, his knee shouldn't be much worse than most RBs.

Elaborate...

The patella tendon autograph, pretty much standard ACL graft for football players, heals the quickest and should resemble the native ACL around 12 months. Other graft types may take up to 18 months. Most othos will agree with this but disagree at what time it is ok for competitive sports, some will clear athletes at as early as 4 months after surgery believing that replacement graft is strong enough to justify playing even at that point. The issues coming off the patella autograft surgery are atrophy of the quad and anterior knee pain/stability. After surgery, it takes a few weeks to re-learn how to actually voluntarily make the muscle contract, so it tends to atrophy a fair amount. It takes a while for the muscle to go from being unused to back to matching the other limb, typically 90% strength is the criteria a lot of docs use to clear athletes to play. Once beyond 12 months for the patella autograft the biggest concern, imo, is injury to the nonsurgical leg. Because of a prolonged period of one leg being stronger than the other, overcompensation occurs and the likelyhood of injury to the other limb goes up slightly. This is probably mitgated by NFL teams have access to the best PT's and trainers and the athletes in rehab 5+ times a week after the surgery.

 

[DepthCharts]

i wouldnt worry about his knee at all. but crennel and daboll aint going anywhere in the near future so the outlook is really poor for this guy.

Don't worry about his knee after only playing two games? TWO? Come on Man. And on top of that in the blow-out loss to the Bills, that's when Charles makes his money in catch-up mode catching passes.But you're right, anyway you cut it not looking good for Charles and all his value hinges on the game this week.

ACL is probably similar to native ACL 1 year after surgery. Outside of a slight weakness in his quad, his knee shouldn't be much worse than most RBs.

Elaborate...

The patella tendon autograph, pretty much standard ACL graft for football players, heals the quickest and should resemble the native ACL around 12 months. Other graft types may take up to 18 months. Most othos will agree with this but disagree at what time it is ok for competitive sports, some will clear athletes at as early as 4 months after surgery believing that replacement graft is strong enough to justify playing even at that point. The issues coming off the patella autograft surgery are atrophy of the quad and anterior knee pain/stability. After surgery, it takes a few weeks to re-learn how to actually voluntarily make the muscle contract, so it tends to atrophy a fair amount. It takes a while for the muscle to go from being unused to back to matching the other limb, typically 90% strength is the criteria a lot of docs use to clear athletes to play. Once beyond 12 months for the patella autograft the biggest concern, imo, is injury to the nonsurgical leg. Because of a prolonged period of one leg being stronger than the other, overcompensation occurs and the likelyhood of injury to the other limb goes up slightly. This is probably mitgated by NFL teams have access to the best PT's and trainers and the athletes in rehab 5+ times a week after the surgery.

Thanks! for 2 reasons, 1 for bringing complete professionalism to the table at FBG, and pretty much ensuring me there are no concerns with his surgically repaired knee (odds are). Secondly, with a bit of humor, I'd sure like to thank you, as a Hillis owner, for putting a seed in the owners that his other knee/leg are/could be an issue. I sure hope CBS picks this up and runs with it, trying to buy on the low

 

[footballnerd]

(RotoWire)Charles, who suffered a bruised knee Sunday, practiced fully Wednesday, the Kansas City Star reports. "(Charles) fell on his knee, got bruised, came up limping, so we took him out rather than leave him in there and expose him a little bit more," coach Romeo Crennel said of not using Charles much as Week 2's contest progressed. "Then as it developed, the other players were doing decent, so we didn't feel a need to put him back at that moment.'

Analysis: Charles' full participation Wednesday has to be a relief for owners concerned that he might be limited due to a setback with his surgically-repaired knee. Assuming no setbacks in the coming days, look for Charles to see added touches Sunday against the Saints.

Looks like it was a bruised knee

 

[Deamon]

Looks like there is a lot of denial by guys who own Charles in this thread. His blown-out knee is bothering him and the team is throwing all game but isn't playing him. Basically, a worst case scenario for Charles owners. He's an RB3 at best.

You should check your leagues scoring. I bet you will find 30 RB+ who have out scored him so far this year.

Ryan Fitzpatrick has thrown more TD passes so far this year than Aaron Rodgers. Which QB would you rather have?I'm not comparing Charles to Rodgers mind you; just pointing out that after two games there are a lot of crazy things that could happen in your league which won't hold up over the course of the season. Charles has certainly not produced the way his owners want but unless you have insane RB depth the idea that he's a RB3 is rather ridiculous. In Week 1 he topped 80 yards rushing. It's not like we have to go back very far to find a game this season in which he looked good.

Whether he is an RB3 or not has nothing to do with anyone's RB depth. It is an expression of an RB's relative ranking, i.e. the top 12 RBs are RB1's, numbers 13-24 are RB2's, and 25-36 are RB3's. FWIW, the new Footballguys top 200 forward has Charles as RB23, or a very low RB2. I have him a few spots lower than that at an RB3. Quibble with that ranking if you like, but it is not extreme.

You have him a 'few spots lower' then an RB2, yet you say he's an RB3 "at best"? You're exaggerating your points for sake of argument. Even you say he's a middle of the row RB3.Charles will be back... it will just take a couple big weeks then everyone will quiet about this. I'm not saying he's a lock for RB1... there's definitely some concern, but for god sakes its week 2. And week 1 he looked awesome. It's obvious there are a lot of charles owners defending him, and a lot of those who passed on him or who picked up hillis who are putting him down. Let's see how he does in the next few weeks, but far too early to be calling him a bust.

 

[NCPanthersFan]

Based on this article, the fact that NO should be able to run it up + the turf - he is safely going to the bench. Yeah I am starting to agree this is worst case scenario this early.

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/09/19/3823489/chiefs-may-have-to-lower-expectations.html

 

[hines]

(RotoWire)Charles, who suffered a bruised knee Sunday, practiced fully Wednesday, the Kansas City Star reports. "(Charles) fell on his knee, got bruised, came up limping, so we took him out rather than leave him in there and expose him a little bit more," coach Romeo Crennel said of not using Charles much as Week 2's contest progressed. "Then as it developed, the other players were doing decent, so we didn't feel a need to put him back at that moment.'

Analysis: Charles' full participation Wednesday has to be a relief for owners concerned that he might be limited due to a setback with his surgically-repaired knee. Assuming no setbacks in the coming days, look for Charles to see added touches Sunday against the Saints.

Looks like it was a bruised knee

huge news, this changes everything. no flare up with the ACL

 

[rickyg]

Don't know about you guys but I would be very worried to hear the head coach talk this way about Charles if I owned him:

KC - Unsure if three players will fully recover - Thu Sep 20, 01:14 PM

Kansas City Chiefs head coach Romeo Crennel said RB Jamaal Charles, TE Tony Moeaki and SS Eric Berry are healthy enough to play but is not sure if any will be able to return to the level of play they were at before they tore their anterior cruciate ligaments. 'Those guys are playing and they're practicing, and so they are good enough to play,' Crennel said. 'Now, whether they'll ever be back to what they used to be, I don't know if that's going to be the case, because they've had a reconstruction on the knee. Will it be like it was before the reconstruction? I don't know that will be the case.'

Footballguys' view: We could see reports of soreness, or missed practice, for all three Chiefs playmakers. Charles owners shouldn't be as concerned as some might think. He's a big play back who can have a good fantasy day on limited touches.

 

[chinawildman]

Don't know about you guys but I would be very worried to hear the head coach talk this way about Charles if I owned him:KC - Unsure if three players will fully recover - Thu Sep 20, 01:14 PMKansas City Chiefs head coach Romeo Crennel said RB Jamaal Charles, TE Tony Moeaki and SS Eric Berry are healthy enough to play but is not sure if any will be able to return to the level of play they were at before they tore their anterior cruciate ligaments. 'Those guys are playing and they're practicing, and so they are good enough to play,' Crennel said. 'Now, whether they'll ever be back to what they used to be, I don't know if that's going to be the case, because they've had a reconstruction on the knee. Will it be like it was before the reconstruction? I don't know that will be the case.'Footballguys' view: We could see reports of soreness, or missed practice, for all three Chiefs playmakers. Charles owners shouldn't be as concerned as some might think. He's a big play back who can have a good fantasy day on limited touches.

This sounds pretty doom and gloom but really how are their ACL injuries any diff than any other? Either KC has crappy doctors or Crennel's just blowing smoke.

 

[packersfan]

So basically Crennel has no idea what's going to happen.

Thanks, Romeo.

 

[Quibbler]

Don't know about you guys but I would be very worried to hear the head coach talk this way about Charles if I owned him:

Definitely has me a bit more worried than before. Is he seeing something in practice that we aren't hearing about, etc.?On the other hand, Romeo Crennel is a bit of a buffoon when it comes to dealing with the media, and he definitely has an incentive to play up any injury concerns, since he's in the hot seat if KC stinks. All in all, I'm not going to take it that seriously.

 

[ponchsox]

I'm concerned enough that I went and picked up Draughn as insurance. If Charles doesn't have a good game against the Saints I will be real concerned.

 

[packersfan]

Don't know about you guys but I would be very worried to hear the head coach talk this way about Charles if I owned him:

Definitely has me a bit more worried than before. Is he seeing something in practice that we aren't hearing about, etc.?On the other hand, Romeo Crennel is a bit of a buffoon when it comes to dealing with the media, and he definitely has an incentive to play up any injury concerns, since he's in the hot seat if KC stinks. All in all, I'm not going to take it that seriously.

I'd be concerned if I saw anything in game action which led me to think Charles looked to be laboring or struggling in his return. I've seen nothing so far that leads me to feel that way. In the preseason and Week 1, in fact, I saw the opposite. I thought he looked terrific.Bottom line is no one knows how good he'll be going forward. So Romeo isn't saying anything that should lead people to feel differently about Charles in my opinion. I'll continue to say that my primary concern with Charles right now is in terms of usage. He looked good in Week 1 and wasn't used in Week 2. I'm not saying Charles owners should be feeling as good as Foster, Rice or McCoy owners but I'm not thinking I screwed the pooch drafting him by any stretch right now. Still a lot of season left to be played.

 

[Thumper]

Don't know about you guys but I would be very worried to hear the head coach talk this way about Charles if I owned him:

Definitely has me a bit more worried than before. Is he seeing something in practice that we aren't hearing about, etc.?On the other hand, Romeo Crennel is a bit of a buffoon when it comes to dealing with the media, and he definitely has an incentive to play up any injury concerns, since he's in the hot seat if KC stinks. All in all, I'm not going to take it that seriously.

I'd be concerned if I saw anything in game action which led me to think Charles looked to be laboring or struggling in his return. I've seen nothing so far that leads me to feel that way. In the preseason and Week 1, in fact, I saw the opposite. I thought he looked terrific.Bottom line is no one knows how good he'll be going forward. So Romeo isn't saying anything that should lead people to feel differently about Charles in my opinion. I'll continue to say that my primary concern with Charles right now is in terms of usage. He looked good in Week 1 and wasn't used in Week 2. I'm not saying Charles owners should be feeling as good as Foster, Rice or McCoy owners but I'm not thinking I screwed the pooch drafting him by any stretch right now. Still a lot of season left to be played.

Romeo has me spooked. I'm selling JC on this news.

 

[footballnerd]

Don't know about you guys but I would be very worried to hear the head coach talk this way about Charles if I owned him:

KC - Unsure if three players will fully recover - Thu Sep 20, 01:14 PM

Kansas City Chiefs head coach Romeo Crennel said RB Jamaal Charles, TE Tony Moeaki and SS Eric Berry are healthy enough to play but is not sure if any will be able to return to the level of play they were at before they tore their anterior cruciate ligaments. 'Those guys are playing and they're practicing, and so they are good enough to play,' Crennel said. 'Now, whether they'll ever be back to what they used to be, I don't know if that's going to be the case, because they've had a reconstruction on the knee. Will it be like it was before the reconstruction? I don't know that will be the case.'

Footballguys' view: We could see reports of soreness, or missed practice, for all three Chiefs playmakers. Charles owners shouldn't be as concerned as some might think. He's a big play back who can have a good fantasy day on limited touches.

"He seems to be doing as much as he can do. He seems to be doing OK. Tony is doing OK. Jamaal is doing OK, but I think that we, and when I say ‘we’ I’m talking about myself and my staff, we have to be cognoscente of the fact that those guys have had major injuries and are trying to recover from major injuries. So, it just doesn’t seem to be smart to just beat the guys’ knee up. When you see a guy is limping, it’s not smart to beat him up. If you lose him again, then you might not have him at all. I think there is a thin line that you kind of have to walk sometimes."

(RotoWire)Charles, who suffered a bruised knee Sunday, practiced fully Wednesday, the Kansas City Star reports. "(Charles) fell on his knee, got bruised, came up limping, so we took him out rather than leave him in there and expose him a little bit more," coach Romeo Crennel said

It's all coach speak but if we are gonna try to interpret it, I would say the combined comments over the week means he was trying to explain why he didn't want to put Charles back in the game when he only had a bruise.

 

[footballnerd]

Don't know about you guys but I would be very worried to hear the head coach talk this way about Charles if I owned him:

KC - Unsure if three players will fully recover - Thu Sep 20, 01:14 PM

Kansas City Chiefs head coach Romeo Crennel said RB Jamaal Charles, TE Tony Moeaki and SS Eric Berry are healthy enough to play but is not sure if any will be able to return to the level of play they were at before they tore their anterior cruciate ligaments. 'Those guys are playing and they're practicing, and so they are good enough to play,' Crennel said. 'Now, whether they'll ever be back to what they used to be, I don't know if that's going to be the case, because they've had a reconstruction on the knee. Will it be like it was before the reconstruction? I don't know that will be the case.'

Footballguys' view: We could see reports of soreness, or missed practice, for all three Chiefs playmakers. Charles owners shouldn't be as concerned as some might think. He's a big play back who can have a good fantasy day on limited touches.

Quotes from the same interview.....

"He seems to be doing as much as he can do. He seems to be doing OK. Tony is doing OK. Jamaal is doing OK, but I think that we, and when I say ‘we’ I’m talking about myself and my staff, we have to be cognoscente of the fact that those guys have had major injuries and are trying to recover from major injuries. So, it just doesn’t seem to be smart to just beat the guys’ knee up. When you see a guy is limping, it’s not smart to beat him up. If you lose him again, then you might not have him at all. I think there is a thin line that you kind of have to walk sometimes."

(RotoWire)Charles, who suffered a bruised knee Sunday, practiced fully Wednesday, the Kansas City Star reports. "(Charles) fell on his knee, got bruised, came up limping, so we took him out rather than leave him in there and expose him a little bit more," coach Romeo Crennel said

It's all coach speak but if we are gonna try to interpret it, I would say the combined comments over the entire interview means he was trying to explain why he didn't want to put Charles back in the game when he only had a bruise.Link to interview

 

[DevilintheDetail]

Don't know about you guys but I would be very worried to hear the head coach talk this way about Charles if I owned him:

KC - Unsure if three players will fully recover - Thu Sep 20, 01:14 PM

Kansas City Chiefs head coach Romeo Crennel said RB Jamaal Charles, TE Tony Moeaki and SS Eric Berry are healthy enough to play but is not sure if any will be able to return to the level of play they were at before they tore their anterior cruciate ligaments. 'Those guys are playing and they're practicing, and so they are good enough to play,' Crennel said. 'Now, whether they'll ever be back to what they used to be, I don't know if that's going to be the case, because they've had a reconstruction on the knee. Will it be like it was before the reconstruction? I don't know that will be the case.'

Footballguys' view: We could see reports of soreness, or missed practice, for all three Chiefs playmakers. Charles owners shouldn't be as concerned as some might think. He's a big play back who can have a good fantasy day on limited touches.

Quotes from the same interview.....

"He seems to be doing as much as he can do. He seems to be doing OK. Tony is doing OK. Jamaal is doing OK, but I think that we, and when I say ‘we’ I’m talking about myself and my staff, we have to be cognoscente of the fact that those guys have had major injuries and are trying to recover from major injuries. So, it just doesn’t seem to be smart to just beat the guys’ knee up. When you see a guy is limping, it’s not smart to beat him up. If you lose him again, then you might not have him at all. I think there is a thin line that you kind of have to walk sometimes."

(RotoWire)Charles, who suffered a bruised knee Sunday, practiced fully Wednesday, the Kansas City Star reports. "(Charles) fell on his knee, got bruised, came up limping, so we took him out rather than leave him in there and expose him a little bit more," coach Romeo Crennel said

It's all coach speak but if we are gonna try to interpret it, I would say the combined comments over the entire interview means he was trying to explain why he didn't want to put Charles back in the game when he only had a bruise.Link to interview

Basically, Crennel is saying that he's going to be careful about giving Charles very many carries, especially if the Chiefs are losing and Hillis is playing "decently". Bad news for Charles' fantasy prospects.

 

[footballnerd]

Basically, Crennel is saying that he's going to be careful about giving Charles very many carries, especially if the Chiefs are losing and Hillis is playing "decently". Bad news for Charles' fantasy prospects.

That's fine and expected by owners. But earlier interpretations was that he wasn't healing or had a setback, which we haven't seen evidence of. As long as he's rocking for the playoffs, I'm good. We'll see.

 

[steelwind]

Starting with confidence in week 3.

 

[Usual21]

Benched him for Andre Brown tonight.

 

[jackdubl]

Here is my perception of events:

Franchise rb, coming off acl, second game of season, second quarter, down by 21- he comes out of a pile limping and holding his surgically repaired knee. No way is the coach putting him back in before half. So, he seems ok and wants to go back in, but there is pain in the knee. The backup is moving the ball somewhat effectively, but the score is never within reach. I can err on the side of caution, my franchise back says he's ok, so I give him a couple carries in the blowout to test his knee. His stat line looks empty. Later in the week we determine he suffered a bruised knee banging it into the ground. No setback. Full practice all week.

IF, and I mean IF, it is indeed just a bone bruise with no setback, which full practice would corroborate, then there is a silver lining that the knee appears strong. The poor showing would be due to a cautious Crennel who didn't know what the injury was at the time. May not be that big of a deal.

I do think there is a high chance that later in the season, when/if the Chiefs, and specifically Crennel, are desperate for wins. Charles will provide closer to the value people are used to.

 

[eoMMan]

Benched him for Andre Brown tonight.

Nice job.

 

[ponchsox]

Benched him for Andre Brown tonight.

Nice job.

Never doubt JC, he's a stud.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

There are definitely at least 24 RB's I'd rather have than Charles, and his downside risk is greater than most in the 24-30 range. He's a limited, part-time player in the absolute best case scenario. He has a low ceiling on this team and a very, very low floor, as we have seen so far this year.

Noted.