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Jamaal Charles Thread: Hall of Famer? (1 Viewer)
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Stompin' Tom Connors
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jurb26
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flapgreen
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Postgame
Insein
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You mean you didn't like that redzone situation where Smith screened to DAT, scrambled right for 0, and then threw the ball away? Agreed!
Kwai Chang Caine
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That's the drive that made me go nuts. Charles did get first two cracks on that drive but how the Christ do you it hand it off or throw to Kelce down at the goal but instead try to force it to 5'7" Thomas?
The real killer was not involving him at all on the drive before Oakland ate the whole clock up. That bit Andy's fat ### and good for them they lost.
I'm happy for the 18 points but was really hoping for more due to being on fringe of playoffs and going against first place team that has Manning. And I know what's coming from him: 400+ yards and at least 4 TDs especially after last week. He needs to pad those lifetime regular season stats.
BustedKnuckles
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the only people that Reid outsmarts is is own team
Dinsy Ejotuz
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Thread is pretty funny. Guy puts up 22+ on 23 touches and everyone's #####ing.
Sabertooth
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On a Thursday night game no less. These have been fantasy hell. I was just talking to somebody yesterday about how Oakland would probably play this one tough. I was happy to get out of it with 22 points.
Shutout
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This is one of those rare occurrences where real life football is actually feeding the moaning (at least it is for me). I mean, I'll take the 20 with a smile on my face but it drives me crazy that the Chiefs misused Charles in key situations in this game. I was looking forward to a very meaningful game against Denver next week.
How they don't run at the goal line instead of set themselves up in a 3rd and 6 and have to pass and how they don't funnel the last few drives through Charles or even Davis is baffling. THE ONE thing you can't do in that situation is have short 3 and outs and throw the ball and kill the clock. All you need are a couple of first downs. I'm not a Chiefs fan but this is very disappointing to me.
flapgreen
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Reid has always reverted back to these mistakes.
GreenBaySnackers
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Jamaal Charles is a really good running back!
Papa Georgio
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I figure they were thinking everyone will be keying on Charles so they attempted to "surprise" them. However, until they stop him I'd certainly give him a chance at least once at the goal-line either a run or pass. Didn't care much for the final drive. It looked like the RB screen and quick outs for 7-8 yards were there all day. Instead you down out trying to get Alex Smith to go down the field. Just get 1st downs, one time Charles got about 8 yards on a screen and it took 4 seconds.
I own Charles but my observations are not fantasy related per say, it just happens that giving your best player the ball in critical situations would also have helped my fantasy team.
I own Charles but my observations are not fantasy related per say, it just happens that giving your best player the ball in critical situations would also have helped my fantasy team.
zamboni
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I think the Thursday game with everyone watching makes it harder for Charles owners to deal with. If it happened amidst the other games on Sunday, his lesser use wouldn't have been as noticeable unless watching the whole game.
Truth be told, in PPR leagues, this was one of his better weeks this year.
Carter_Can_Fly
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For once I don't think Reid's useage was as bad as many are claiming here.
KC was not passing the ball very well at all on O in the first half and Charles was running quite well in that first half and it amounted to 3 points.
In the second half KC was passing the ball well and looked really good and it amounted to 17 points.
There are times in Reids career where he sometimes leaves you with head scratching decisions about RB useage, but I don't this is a time. You can pick 8 to 10 calls every game for every coach and coordinator in a given week and question it.
Truth is in the game last night Charles still had 23 total touches. He also had 7 targets. KC did not lose the game for lack of use of Charles.
KC was not passing the ball very well at all on O in the first half and Charles was running quite well in that first half and it amounted to 3 points.
In the second half KC was passing the ball well and looked really good and it amounted to 17 points.
There are times in Reids career where he sometimes leaves you with head scratching decisions about RB useage, but I don't this is a time. You can pick 8 to 10 calls every game for every coach and coordinator in a given week and question it.
Truth is in the game last night Charles still had 23 total touches. He also had 7 targets. KC did not lose the game for lack of use of Charles.
Since he returned from his injury, he's actually ahead of last year's touchdown pace. 11 scores in 8 games.
The crazy thing is that, after 2012, I think most Charles owners were convinced that he was going to be a monster yardage guy with low TD totals, sort of like Tiki Barber (who averaged 2200 yards from scrimmage and just 10 TDs over his final 3 years). Kansas City was pretty terrible at the time and didn't seem to have much hope of improvement.
Instead, his 30 touchdowns over the last two years are four ahead of 2nd-place Marshawn Lynch (in one fewer game), and 12 (!!!) ahead of Matt Forte and Eddie Lacy in 3rd place. Through five years, Charles had 24 TDs on 936 touches. Over the last two, he has 30 TDs on 507 touches.
This transition to "Jamaal Charles, biggest touchdown monster in the NFL" is one of the more surprising developments of the last two years.
flapgreen
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funny how people were saying this about shady in the off-season
Insein
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I ignore the warning signs because he was on my team but the ad deals, the cockiness, declaring 2000 yards, losing 5-10lbs. They were all there screaming at us that this could be a let down.flapgreen said:
JC though, I was skeptical early on but I think this guy wins me a championship this year. I need a 4 TD game week 15 or 16 please. Or both. Both would be nice.
Ghost Rider
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I've never thought McCoy was better than Charles. The eye test has always told me that Charles was and is better. But hey, that's just me.flapgreen said:
Ted Mullins
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I think so too and I wonder if most people would consider him right up there with AP as best of the post-Tomlinson era if he hadn't been dicked around by Haley for a few years.zoonation said:
jurb26
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Agreed. I thought he was the best RB in the NFL last year. Nobody ever even talked about him in that realm though. It was all Shady and AP. I never understood it.I've never thought McCoy was better than Charles. The eye test has always told me that Charles was and is better. But hey, that's just me.flapgreen said:
Not nobody. I called him one of the top 25 backs in NFL history... prior to his 2013 season.Agreed. I thought he was the best RB in the NFL last year. Nobody ever even talked about him in that realm though. It was all Shady and AP. I never understood it.I've never thought McCoy was better than Charles. The eye test has always told me that Charles was and is better. But hey, that's just me.
Dinsy Ejotuz
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They would. And they still will unless Charles gets unlucky with injuries. Charles has the profile of a guy who can play for a long time. Should be pretty safe through age 29/30 with duration upside from there.
Andrew74
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:thumbsup:
BustedKnuckles
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dickey moe
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Easy to root for a dude this great at running the ball and who seems like a genuinely good guy.
That tricky Andy Reid. He is really fooling Denver by not giving JC the ball.
BustedKnuckles
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BobbyLayne
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They've run six plays. He has two touches. Little early, no?
Might want to up the meds.
Carter_Can_Fly
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Shutout
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Yeah, when the..what do you call it? Quarterback? Doesn't hand it to him, yeah he is going to struggle running it
Carter_Can_Fly
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BustedKnuckles
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BobbyLayne
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BobbyLayne
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Own Charles on my two playoff teams. All I can say is glad I already clinched. Can't believe how flat they came out at home on SNF.
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