James Jones (and general Packer training camp notes) (1 Viewer)

[BLOX]

Not with Aaron Rodger at the helm. Jennings potential may never be truly realized. He will never put up numbers like Driver, EVER!

Once Favre retires, this will be the most incorrect statement ever made on these boards.I love that everyone think Rodgers is a bad QB. Will make it that much easier to acquire.

 

[Sabertooth]

Not with Aaron Rodger at the helm. Jennings potential may never be truly realized. He will never put up numbers like Driver, EVER!

Once Favre retires, this will be the most incorrect statement ever made on these boards.I love that everyone think Rodgers is a bad QB. Will make it that much easier to acquire.

He is a complete unknown. People act like forcing Favre to the bench in Green Bay is just a matter of hitting a few open guys in practice. You are spot on here.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

I'm crowning him as a nice pick in a rookie draft for a dynasty league.

This guy is getting hyped way too much to be a nice pick.

I guess that depends on where you get him. There's a bunch of very high quality rookie receivers. Some are going to hit bigger than Jones, some aren't. I picked him up after Clowney, Allison, Robinson, Williams and Higgins were all drafted. I doubt you can do that now. But we're talking rookie draft in a dynasty. If you get a long term starter @ wr in the 3rd round or later, that's a nice pick.

What is the logic in that? Why in the world would someone draft Clowney over Jones?They were both drafted by the same team, play the same position, and Jones was drafted rounds before Clowney. Makes no sense.

Clowney was a bigger name in college. He was invited to the Senior Bowl. He has elite speed and quicks (4.35 on grass with a 6.69 3 cone is jawdropping stuff). Jones had almost nobody anywhere at any draftnik site or any major site discussing him. Clowney had a nice reputation. He could develop into a nice player, btw. He is very difficult to stick to one on one.

But even with all that known he didn't get drafted until the 5th round whereas Jones went in the 3rd, to the same team.Obviously the team that drafted them liked Jones better, it's baffling that someone would go against that fact and take Clowney over Jones.

I can understand someone liking Clowney better, but once the Packers say, "We like Jones better" it is quite arrogant to completely ignore that and take Clowney over him.

I guess i could see the argument if they went to different teams, but they didn't and one of them was drafted 60+ picks ahead of the other.

 

[Bri]

I can understand someone liking Clowney better, but once the Packers say, "We like Jones better" it is quite arrogant to completely ignore that and take Clowney over him.I guess i could see the argument if they went to different teams, but they didn't and one of them was drafted 60+ picks ahead of the other.

No it's not.It's who will be a better pro, the draft's over.You, yourself, might draft a WR in the 8th that outscores one ya drafted in the 5th. Draft and season are two different animals here.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

I can understand someone liking Clowney better, but once the Packers say, "We like Jones better" it is quite arrogant to completely ignore that and take Clowney over him.I guess i could see the argument if they went to different teams, but they didn't and one of them was drafted 60+ picks ahead of the other.

No it's not.It's who will be a better pro, the draft's over.You, yourself, might draft a WR in the 8th that outscores one ya drafted in the 5th. Draft and season are two different animals here.

I understand that, but up to this point the only real information we have is that the team that drafted them liked Jones better. In a few months when they get on the field that might change.As of now we know for a FACT that the Packers liked Jones more when they picked them, and their draft positions weren't even close.It's a horrible move at this time to take Clowney first, but your right, it could work out...that doesn't mean it was a smart move based on currently available information.Some people want to look like geniuses, and will make bad moves try to show it.

 

[Aaronstory]

I can understand someone liking Clowney better, but once the Packers say, "We like Jones better" it is quite arrogant to completely ignore that and take Clowney over him.

I guess i could see the argument if they went to different teams, but they didn't and one of them was drafted 60+ picks ahead of the other.

No it's not.It's who will be a better pro, the draft's over.

You, yourself, might draft a WR in the 8th that outscores one ya drafted in the 5th.

Draft and season are two different animals here.

I understand that, but up to this point the only real information we have is that the team that drafted them liked Jones better. In a few months when they get on the field that might change.As of now we know for a FACT that the Packers liked Jones more when they picked them, and their draft positions weren't even close.

It's a horrible move at this time to take Clowney first, but your right, it could work out...that doesn't mean it was a smart move based on currently available information.

Some people want to look like geniuses, and will make bad moves try to show it.

Just to play Devil's Advocate - how can you be so sure? Just because Thompson took Jones first doesn't mean anything. Perhaps he knew he could get Clowney much later but secretly thinks he'll be the steal of the draft? None of us know, no matter how much we want to chat about it on an internet forum. At this point, it's all hot air until the games start.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

I can understand someone liking Clowney better, but once the Packers say, "We like Jones better" it is quite arrogant to completely ignore that and take Clowney over him.

I guess i could see the argument if they went to different teams, but they didn't and one of them was drafted 60+ picks ahead of the other.

No it's not.It's who will be a better pro, the draft's over.

You, yourself, might draft a WR in the 8th that outscores one ya drafted in the 5th.

Draft and season are two different animals here.

I understand that, but up to this point the only real information we have is that the team that drafted them liked Jones better. In a few months when they get on the field that might change.As of now we know for a FACT that the Packers liked Jones more when they picked them, and their draft positions weren't even close.

It's a horrible move at this time to take Clowney first, but your right, it could work out...that doesn't mean it was a smart move based on currently available information.

Some people want to look like geniuses, and will make bad moves try to show it.

Just to play Devil's Advocate - how can you be so sure? Just because Thompson took Jones first doesn't mean anything. Perhaps he knew he could get Clowney much later but secretly thinks he'll be the steal of the draft? None of us know, no matter how much we want to chat about it on an internet forum. At this point, it's all hot air until the games start.

I could see that argument if Clowney wasn't drafted so much later or if he played a different position, but if they were playing the secret game and actually liked Clowney better they aren't going to risk missing out on him and waiting 60+ more picks.To say it means nothing that the GM of a team drafted a guy not just first but WAY before another guy at the same position doesn't really make sense to me.

Your right we don't know much, the only thing we do know for a FACT is that the Packers drafted Jones far ahead of Clowney, and that information right there is concrete, not speculation. And looking at that information, ignoring it, and drafting the other guy first on your dynasty team is a pretty illogical "look at how smart i might end up looking" move.

 

[Warhogs]

I don't want to climb in on these arguments and I think a general rule is the player drafted higher is the team's choice. However, a few years back the Cradinals drafted this guy Bryant Johnson in round 1 and in week 1 this little hralded player Anquan Boldin stole the show.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I'm crowning him as a nice pick in a rookie draft for a dynasty league.

This guy is getting hyped way too much to be a nice pick.

I guess that depends on where you get him. There's a bunch of very high quality rookie receivers. Some are going to hit bigger than Jones, some aren't. I picked him up after Clowney, Allison, Robinson, Williams and Higgins were all drafted. I doubt you can do that now. But we're talking rookie draft in a dynasty. If you get a long term starter @ wr in the 3rd round or later, that's a nice pick.

What is the logic in that? Why in the world would someone draft Clowney over Jones?They were both drafted by the same team, play the same position, and Jones was drafted rounds before Clowney. Makes no sense.

Clowney was a bigger name in college. He was invited to the Senior Bowl. He has elite speed and quicks (4.35 on grass with a 6.69 3 cone is jawdropping stuff). Jones had almost nobody anywhere at any draftnik site or any major site discussing him. Clowney had a nice reputation. He could develop into a nice player, btw. He is very difficult to stick to one on one.

Thank you. Still think Clowney could turn out better, but Jones is getting better hype so far.

 

[bcr8f]

Just to play Devil's Advocate - how can you be so sure? Just because Thompson took Jones first doesn't mean anything. Perhaps he knew he could get Clowney much later but secretly thinks he'll be the steal of the draft? None of us know, no matter how much we want to chat about it on an internet forum. At this point, it's all hot air until the games start.

In training camp Jones is the one turning heads and putting on a show. Clowney is fast but Jones has been catching everything thrown his way and running crisp routes.He is doing what Jennings did last year. He is better on the field and that's what matters.The Packers consider Clowney raw. He may be a returned this year but doesn't look like a WR there yet. Look at the depth chart.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

I don't want to climb in on these arguments and I think a general rule is the player drafted higher is the team's choice. However, a few years back the Cradinals drafted this guy Bryant Johnson in round 1 and in week 1 this little hralded player Anquan Boldin stole the show.

No doubt teams are sometimes wrong.Once preseason hit there were raving reviews of Boldin and actual real news.NFL draft - Jones drafted ahead of ClowneyOffseason workouts - no real news of Clowney doing anything notableSo from the NFL draft until now there has been nothing we know that would make it a good move to draft the lower ranked player from the same team ahead of the other.If preseason hits and Clowney looks better then i can definitely see the reasoning.But from draft time until now there is nothing that should lead anyone to pick Clowney over Jones.

 

[Warhogs]

In this case I am in total agreement because Jones has been clearly more impressive in camp. I was more or less diagreeing with the argument of where a player was drafted as a reason.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

In this case I am in total agreement because Jones has been clearly more impressive in camp. I was more or less diagreeing with the argument of where a player was drafted as a reason.

I definitely agree that once we get more info things change.Was mainly debating the people who drafted Clowney over Jones when the only info we had at first was that Jones was drafted 60+ picks before Clowney by the same team.When most rookie drafts happened the only thing we KNEW was that the Packers liked Jones quite a bit more based on where they were drafted, yet some people were drafting Clowney first. It made no sense.

 

[Aaronstory]

In this case I am in total agreement because Jones has been clearly more impressive in camp. I was more or less diagreeing with the argument of where a player was drafted as a reason.

I definitely agree that once we get more info things change.Was mainly debating the people who drafted Clowney over Jones when the only info we had at first was that Jones was drafted 60+ picks before Clowney by the same team.When most rookie drafts happened the only thing we KNEW was that the Packers liked Jones quite a bit more based on where they were drafted, yet some people were drafting Clowney first. It made no sense.

Like I said, Devil's Advocate. For the most part I agree with you, but saying you know a GM likes one player better than another as a FACT seemed a bit misguided... (I realize you amended this a bit in a later post.)

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Like I said, Devil's Advocate. For the most part I agree with you, but saying you know a GM likes one player better than another as a FACT seemed a bit misguided... (I realize you amended this a bit in a later post.)

I didn't really amend that point, it a GM picks a guy 60+ spots ahead of another and they play the same position i think it is a FACT that at the time of the NFL draft the GM likes that player more.

 

[bcr8f]

In this case I am in total agreement because Jones has been clearly more impressive in camp. I was more or less diagreeing with the argument of where a player was drafted as a reason.

When people arrive in camp they can definitely prove they are better than their draft position.It definitely happened with Boldin.Clowney may prove that. They like him but feel he's raw. Jones is a more ready player right now. The Packers need WR's right now. Sometimes they pick players later just because they think they'll last longer in the draft. We do that all the time.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

In this case I am in total agreement because Jones has been clearly more impressive in camp. I was more or less diagreeing with the argument of where a player was drafted as a reason.

Sometimes they pick players later just because they think they'll last longer in the draft. We do that all the time.

Very true, but only to a degree, not 60+ picks because if you actually like the player BETTER your waiting on there is no way you pick a guy you like less and take that much of a risk of losing out on the one you like more.

 

[Aaronstory]

Like I said, Devil's Advocate. For the most part I agree with you, but saying you know a GM likes one player better than another as a FACT seemed a bit misguided... (I realize you amended this a bit in a later post.)

I didn't really amend that point, it a GM picks a guy 60+ spots ahead of another and they play the same position i think it is a FACT that at the time of the NFL draft the GM likes that player more.

Um, no, it's not. Unless your dictionary has a different definition of the word 'fact' than mine.A 'good probability'? Yes. A 'fact'? No.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

In this case I am in total agreement because Jones has been clearly more impressive in camp. I was more or less diagreeing with the argument of where a player was drafted as a reason.

I definitely agree that once we get more info things change.Was mainly debating the people who drafted Clowney over Jones when the only info we had at first was that Jones was drafted 60+ picks before Clowney by the same team.When most rookie drafts happened the only thing we KNEW was that the Packers liked Jones quite a bit more based on where they were drafted, yet some people were drafting Clowney first. It made no sense.

I don't care enough to get into an argument about it, but I think you're missing something if the ONLY thing you use to compare two players is their draft position. Yes Jones was taken 60 picks before Clowney. But maybe:1) Someone was down on Jones and thought GB reached2) Someone thought Jones would struggle at the NFL level of competition compared to Clowney3) Someone thought Clowney fit the GB offense better than Jones. The smart thing to do is to pay attention to where a player is drafted because NFL teams have more information and experience scouting players than we do. But if pre-draft someone was really high on Clowney and really low on Jones based on watching film, reading scouting reports, etc. then it isn't crazy for them to think that the Packers made a mistake with their 3rd rounder, but made up for it with their 5th rounder.

 

[Sleeper 43]

In this case I am in total agreement because Jones has been clearly more impressive in camp. I was more or less diagreeing with the argument of where a player was drafted as a reason.

I definitely agree that once we get more info things change.Was mainly debating the people who drafted Clowney over Jones when the only info we had at first was that Jones was drafted 60+ picks before Clowney by the same team.When most rookie drafts happened the only thing we KNEW was that the Packers liked Jones quite a bit more based on where they were drafted, yet some people were drafting Clowney first. It made no sense.

I don't care enough to get into an argument about it, but I think you're missing something if the ONLY thing you use to compare two players is their draft position. Yes Jones was taken 60 picks before Clowney. But maybe:1) Someone was down on Jones and thought GB reached2) Someone thought Jones would struggle at the NFL level of competition compared to Clowney3) Someone thought Clowney fit the GB offense better than Jones. The smart thing to do is to pay attention to where a player is drafted because NFL teams have more information and experience scouting players than we do. But if pre-draft someone was really high on Clowney and really low on Jones based on watching film, reading scouting reports, etc. then it isn't crazy for them to think that the Packers made a mistake with their 3rd rounder, but made up for it with their 5th rounder.

Draft position aside, Jones is getting all the attention from the coaches, players, reporters and fans, Clowney not nearly so much. In college J. Jones was a team captain and was the teams best offensive weapon. Clowney wasn't the best weapon at tech nor was he a game-breaker.Jones has answered the concern scouts had for him to be successful, ... his speed. While Clowney's only asset is his speed and he needs to refine the rest. Just my opinion based off high-lights and credentials.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

In this case I am in total agreement because Jones has been clearly more impressive in camp. I was more or less diagreeing with the argument of where a player was drafted as a reason.

I definitely agree that once we get more info things change.Was mainly debating the people who drafted Clowney over Jones when the only info we had at first was that Jones was drafted 60+ picks before Clowney by the same team.When most rookie drafts happened the only thing we KNEW was that the Packers liked Jones quite a bit more based on where they were drafted, yet some people were drafting Clowney first. It made no sense.

I don't care enough to get into an argument about it, but I think you're missing something if the ONLY thing you use to compare two players is their draft position. Yes Jones was taken 60 picks before Clowney. But maybe:1) Someone was down on Jones and thought GB reached2) Someone thought Jones would struggle at the NFL level of competition compared to Clowney3) Someone thought Clowney fit the GB offense better than Jones. The smart thing to do is to pay attention to where a player is drafted because NFL teams have more information and experience scouting players than we do. But if pre-draft someone was really high on Clowney and really low on Jones based on watching film, reading scouting reports, etc. then it isn't crazy for them to think that the Packers made a mistake with their 3rd rounder, but made up for it with their 5th rounder.

Draft position aside, Jones is getting all the attention from the coaches, players, reporters and fans, Clowney not nearly so much. In college J. Jones was a team captain and was the teams best offensive weapon. Clowney wasn't the best weapon at tech nor was he a game-breaker.Jones has answered the concern scouts had for him to be successful, ... his speed. While Clowney's only asset is his speed and he needs to refine the rest. Just my opinion based off high-lights and credentials.

Sure, I can't completely disagree that I may have been wrong about Clowney. But if you told me that GB needed an attribute in a young WR to develop, I would say that they should get a speedy guy to stretch the field more than Driver, or even Jennings, does. Open up things underneath. So to me, Clowney was a better fit than a guy who's speed was in question. Sometimes you miss.

 

[JohnnyU]

In this case I am in total agreement because Jones has been clearly more impressive in camp. I was more or less diagreeing with the argument of where a player was drafted as a reason.

I definitely agree that once we get more info things change.Was mainly debating the people who drafted Clowney over Jones when the only info we had at first was that Jones was drafted 60+ picks before Clowney by the same team.When most rookie drafts happened the only thing we KNEW was that the Packers liked Jones quite a bit more based on where they were drafted, yet some people were drafting Clowney first. It made no sense.

I don't care enough to get into an argument about it, but I think you're missing something if the ONLY thing you use to compare two players is their draft position. Yes Jones was taken 60 picks before Clowney. But maybe:1) Someone was down on Jones and thought GB reached2) Someone thought Jones would struggle at the NFL level of competition compared to Clowney3) Someone thought Clowney fit the GB offense better than Jones. The smart thing to do is to pay attention to where a player is drafted because NFL teams have more information and experience scouting players than we do. But if pre-draft someone was really high on Clowney and really low on Jones based on watching film, reading scouting reports, etc. then it isn't crazy for them to think that the Packers made a mistake with their 3rd rounder, but made up for it with their 5th rounder.

Draft position aside, Jones is getting all the attention from the coaches, players, reporters and fans, Clowney not nearly so much. In college J. Jones was a team captain and was the teams best offensive weapon. Clowney wasn't the best weapon at tech nor was he a game-breaker.Jones has answered the concern scouts had for him to be successful, ... his speed. While Clowney's only asset is his speed and he needs to refine the rest. Just my opinion based off high-lights and credentials.

Sure, I can't completely disagree that I may have been wrong about Clowney. But if you told me that GB needed an attribute in a young WR to develop, I would say that they should get a speedy guy to stretch the field more than Driver, or even Jennings, does. Open up things underneath. So to me, Clowney was a better fit than a guy who's speed was in question. Sometimes you miss.

I'm pretty sure Jones will be better than Clowney, pretty damn sure.

 

[Billy1x]

Favre thoughts (tonight after his return):

Favre comments on Jones

Favre said all he knows about Jones is his number (89) and what he’s seen in practice, and he wonders whether Jones will perform as well in games. But Jones caught his eye without Favre trying to force-feed him.

“I wasn’t singling him out, but he sort of singled himself out,” Favre said. “That’s kind of what I’m talking about. I think he has a lot of potential. He reminds me a lot of Sterling Sharpe: catches everything with his hands, regardless of where (the pass) is, and continues to run with the ball. Very athletic, big, strong guy who is confident in catching the ball and continuing in traffic.”

 

[maccabees]

FYI.

http://www.packers.com/team/players/jones_james/

* Multi-threat wide receiver who was taken with the first of Green Bay's two third-round picks, the 78th overall selection and the 14th receiver drafted

* Is expected to contribute as a rookie, competing for the No. 3 or 4 receiver slot and also possibly for the punt return job

* A dynamic receiver with sure hands who can snatch the ball away in traffic as well as turn short routes into big plays with after-the-catch ability

* Also known to run with the ball on a reverse or throw a pass on the option play

* In 44 games at San Jose State, started 21 and caught 126 passes for 1,496 yards (11.9 avg.) and 12 touchdowns

* Also ran the ball 24 times for 126 yards (5.3 avg.) with one score and completed 3 of 7 passes for 58 yards and a touchdown

* On special teams, returned 42 punts for 307 yards (7.3 avg.) and made nine tackles (six solo)

* His 126 career catches stand third in school history behind Guy Liggins (149, 1986-87) and Tim Kearse (142, 1980-82), and his 1,496 yards receiving rank 11th in school annals

* Came into his own as a full-time starter and team leader during senior season of 2006, beginning the year with a 130-yard, three-touchdown day against Washington

* Went on to catch 70 passes for 893 yards and 10 TDs, one of the best receiving seasons in school history

* His 70 receptions rank fourth on San Jose State's single-season record list behind Edell Shepherd (83 in 2001) and Liggins (77 in 1987 and 72 in 1986), while his 10 TDs rank third behind Shepherd (14 in 2001) and Oliver Newell (11 in 1997)

* A smooth, gliding runner who moves fluidly in and out of breaks, making him a productive receiver despite being timed with only average speed.

Showed his elusiveness on one of the highlight-reel plays of the 2006 college football season, running for 42 yards on a reverse for the game-winning touchdown against Stanford during which he dodged tacklers on the strong side of the play, reversed his field and with the help of a couple of key blocks raced all the way up the other sideline to the end zone

* That play, named ESPN's "Play of the Day," was just one example of his multi-faceted big-play ability, as he was involved in seven plays of 40 yards or longer last season

* Another came on a 47-yard touchdown pass, three were touchdown receptions of 50, 50 and 42 yards, and the two others were a 43-yard catch and a 49-yard punt return

* Known for going up in the air to make tough catches with defenders around him, prompting Packers coaches to say he plays "bigger" than his listed 6-1 height

* Has tremendous leaping ability and body control

* Dangerous on hitch patterns, with the strength and moves to add yardage to a short throw

* Uses his big, strong hands to secure the ball on punt returns as well

* Voiced on draft day how excited he was to be selected, having come from very humble beginnings

* At times he and his mother moved around to different homeless shelters, at times going to bed hungry and getting by however they could

* In high school, in order to help his mother get back on her feet, moved in with his paternal grandmother, who forced him to take special education classes during his early high school years to keep up academically

* Was a three-sport star at Gunderson H.S. San Jose who played quarterback on the football team, an early sign of the various ways his athletic talents would be utilized on his hometown college football squad

* Became the fifth player drafted by the Packers from San Jose State and the first since 1974, when linebacker Emanuel Armstrong was chosen in the 13th round

* Majored in sociology

2006 College Back To Top

* As full-time starter at split end, named second-team All-Western Athletic Conference and team MVP with a career-high 70 receptions for 893 yards (12.8 avg.) and 10 touchdowns, including four 100-yard games

* Reception total ranked 27th in the nation

* His 70 catches were the fourth-highest single-season total in school history, and his 10 TDs were the third-best mark

* Added 11 rushes for 76 yards (6.9 avg.) with a TD and returned 11 punts for 121 yards (11.0 avg.)

* Also connected on 2 of 6 passes for 57 yards and a TD

* Led the team with an average of 83.85 all-purpose yards per game and was involved in seven plays of 40 yards or longer

* Started season off strong at Washington (Sept. 2), catching nine passes for 130 yards and a school-record tying three TDs on receptions of 3, 50 and 6 yards in tough 35-29 loss

* Caught seven passes for 82 yards vs. Stanford (Sept. 9) and had two rushes for 57 yards, including a 42-yard TD run midway through third quarter of 35-34 victory that was ESPN's "Play of the Day"

* Had two big plays, a 43-yard reception and 49-yard punt return, vs. Cal-Poly (Sept. 23) among game numbers of nine catches for 92 yards and three punt returns for 70 yards

* Threw a 47-yard TD pass in first quarter vs. San Diego State (Sept. 30)

* Collected eight receptions for career-high 134 yards and a TD vs. Utah State (Oct. 14), including a 50-yard TD pass

* Hauled in 13-yard TD pass with 10 seconds left in first half at Nevada (Oct. 21), finishing with three catches for 43 yards

* Turned in stellar performance in close 23-20 loss to eventual Fiesta Bowl champion Boise State (Nov. 11) with eight catches for 88 yards and two TDs on passes of 10 and 3 yards, the latter coming early in the fourth quarter to give San Jose State a 20-12 lead

* At Idaho (Nov. 25), caught six passes for 98 yards and returned two punts for 30 yards

* Among five catches for 76 yards, caught a 42-yard TD pass vs. Fresno State (Dec. 2)

* Led team to 20-12 New Mexico Bowl victory over New Mexico (Dec. 23) with six catches for 106 yards, including TD receptions of 36 and 24 yards

2005 College Back To Top

* Played in 11 games, starting three at split end

* Ranked second on the team with 30 receptions for 278 yards (9.3 avg.) and one TD

* Picked up 48 yards on eight carries (6.0 avg.) and 106 yards on 20 punt returns (5.3 avg.)

* Also totaled five tackles (four solo) on special teams

* Opened season with five catches for 47 yards vs. Eastern Washington (Sept. 3)

* Recorded three receptions in three straight games, gaining 39 yards at Illinois (Sept. 10), 45 yards at San Diego State (Sept. 24), and 37 yards vs. Nevada (Oct. 1)

* Caught four passes for 17 yards, including 4-yard TD, vs. Hawaii (Oct. 22)

2004 College Back To Top

* Started six of 11 contests, ranking second on the team with 25 receptions for 317 yards (12.7 avg.) and a TD

* Served as team's primary punt returner the first half of the season, with 11 punt returns for 80 yards (7.3 avg.)

* Added five carries for 2 yards and one solo tackle

* Began season with five catches for 60 yards at Stanford (Sept. 4)

* Snared career-long 67-yard TD pass vs. Morgan State (Sept. 18) in first 100-yard game (four catches, 102 yards)

* Had three catches each at SMU (Sept. 25) and at Nevada (Nov. 6) for 34 and 52 yards, respectively

2003 College Back To Top

* Saw limited action in nine games, with one reception for 8 yards at Florida (Aug. 30)

* Played special teams and was a reserve long snapper, recording three tackles (one solo)

2002 College Back To Top

Redshirted

High School Back To Top

* At Gunderson H.S. in San Jose, Calif., played quarterback, wide receiver and free safety

* Was his conference's MVP as a senior and a first-team All-Central Coast Section pick when he passed for 18 touchdowns and ran for 11 more, leading his team to a conference championship

* Played in the 2002 Santa Clara County North-South All-Star Game

* Also lettered in basketball and track

* As a junior, averaged 18.2 points per game as a point guard to lead his team to a conference title and the third round of the playoffs

* Upped his scoring average to 22 ppg as a senior

* Registered a personal best of 6-8 in the high jump, good for third in the state meet as a senior

Personal Back To Top

* Given name James Deandre Jones

* Nicknamed 'Dingo', a moniker given to him by his college teammates in reference to the muscular professional wrestler the Dingo Warrior, when during his first college weight room workout he bench-pressed 225 pounds an impressive 16 times

* Born in San Jose, Calif

* .Single

* Faced some tough times growing up, as he and his mother moved around to different homeless shelters at times; eventually moved in with his paternal grandmother during high school to help his mother get back on her feet

* Has been a summertime volunteer coach for kids at football camps in Seattle, Wash., Portland, Ore., and St. Mary's, Calif

* .Enjoys playing basketball

* Residence: San Jose, Calif.

Player Stats Back To Top

Receiving Rushing

Year GP GS No Yds Avg LG TD No Yds Avg LG TD

2003 San Jose State 9 0 1 8 8.0 8 0 0 0 0.0 0 0

2004 San Jose State 11 6 25 317 12.7 67t 1 5 2 0.4 5 0

2005 San Jose State 11 3 30 278 9.3 35 1 8 48 6.0 14 0

2006 San Jose State 13 12 70 893 12.8 50t 10 11 76 6.9 42t 1

College totals (four years) 44 21 126 1,496 11.9 67t 12 24 126 5.3 42t 1

Kickoff Returns Punt Returns

Year Ret Yds Avg LG TD Ret Yds Avg LG TD

2004 San Jose State 11 80 7.3 19 0 - - - - -

2005 San Jose State 20 106 5.3 16 0 - - - - -

2006 San Jose State 11 121 11.0 49 0 - - - - -

College totals 42 307 7.3 49 0 - - - - -

Passing: 1 of 1 for 1 yard in 2004, 2 of 6 for 57 yards, 1 TD, 47 long in 2006; college total: 3 of 7 (42.9 percent) for 58 yards, 1 TD, 47 long.

Special teams tackles: 3 in 2003, 1 in 2004, 5 in 2005; college total: 9.

 

[Bri]

I can understand someone liking Clowney better, but once the Packers say, "We like Jones better" it is quite arrogant to completely ignore that and take Clowney over him.

I guess i could see the argument if they went to different teams, but they didn't and one of them was drafted 60+ picks ahead of the other.

No it's not.It's who will be a better pro, the draft's over.

You, yourself, might draft a WR in the 8th that outscores one ya drafted in the 5th.

Draft and season are two different animals here.

I understand that, but up to this point the only real information we have is that the team that drafted them liked Jones better. In a few months when they get on the field that might change.As of now we know for a FACT that the Packers liked Jones more when they picked them, and their draft positions weren't even close.

It's a horrible move at this time to take Clowney first, but your right, it could work out...that doesn't mean it was a smart move based on currently available information.

Some people want to look like geniuses, and will make bad moves try to show it.

You didn't account for the bolded part

 

[Aaronstory]

If Clowmey keeps this up, he may not even make the team...

Thumbs down

If there's an early candidate for the dubious honor of being the most disappointing draft pick, it's receiver David Clowney.

The fifth-round pick from Virginia Tech has struggled with nearly every aspect of his position. Friday's practice was a microcosm of his first week of training camp.

During a one-on-one period, he dropped a gimme touchdown in the corner of the end zone after cornerback Will Blackmon fell down on coverage. The perfectly thrown ball slipped through his hands. Later in practice, he caught a pass only because it practically stuck in his facemask after again going through his hands.

Even worse was his mistake on a route in a red-zone play during a team period. On a third-and-5 from the 10-yard line, Clowney quit running on a drag route in the end zone, allowing Brett Favre's pass to fall incomplete. Had the defensive coverage been better, it could have been intercepted.

The Packers might not be able to use his remarkable speed in the kicking game, because during a special teams period, he couldn't catch a kickoff cleanly.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

 

[Billy1x]

First - This is a James Jones thread

Second - Clowney is very raw. He needs two to three years of development ands thats why he was drafted late. That he can't catch kicks does not bode well but he can make the team if he can perform well in another special teams postion.

Jones is kicking ### in punt returns and I don't think he has mis-handled a kick yet.

Don't forget that Koren Robinson made the Pro-Bowl as a kick returner a couple years ago and he should come back in September. As far as I know he has kept his nose clean since last year and is living in Green Bay.

 

[NorrisB]

I think I'll wait for the Paul Williams bandwagon

 

[Aaronstory]

First - This is a James Jones thread

Second - Clowney is very raw. He needs two to three years of development ands thats why he was drafted late. That he can't catch kicks does not bode well but he can make the team if he can perform well in another special teams postion.

Jones is kicking ### in punt returns and I don't think he has mis-handled a kick yet.

Don't forget that Koren Robinson made the Pro-Bowl as a kick returner a couple years ago and he should come back in September. As far as I know he has kept his nose clean since last year and is living in Green Bay.

You'll notice I updated the title of the thread yesterday...or am I not allowed to monitor my own threads?

As for your post, can't say I disagree with a thing.

 

[Bri]

If Clowmey keeps this up, he may not even make the team...

Thumbs down

If there's an early candidate for the dubious honor of being the most disappointing draft pick, it's receiver David Clowney.

The fifth-round pick from Virginia Tech has struggled with nearly every aspect of his position. Friday's practice was a microcosm of his first week of training camp.

During a one-on-one period, he dropped a gimme touchdown in the corner of the end zone after cornerback Will Blackmon fell down on coverage. The perfectly thrown ball slipped through his hands. Later in practice, he caught a pass only because it practically stuck in his facemask after again going through his hands.

Even worse was his mistake on a route in a red-zone play during a team period. On a third-and-5 from the 10-yard line, Clowney quit running on a drag route in the end zone, allowing Brett Favre's pass to fall incomplete. Had the defensive coverage been better, it could have been intercepted.

The Packers might not be able to use his remarkable speed in the kicking game, because during a special teams period, he couldn't catch a kickoff cleanly.

It's OK for a young player to struggle but he's gotta get it together. Simply put, he has to show some redeeming quality as a reason to hang onto him. I wouldn't(well yes I would but ya know what I mean) want to be the guy signed as a KR with Koren returning. That'd be keeping the seat warm for Koren and if he gets enough playing time, it'd be tough for him to clear waivers and be put on the PS. I think Clowney has to make it as a WR

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Looking back over the PFW Draft Guide yesterday. They had Clowney as the 12th best WR and Jones as the 53rd best. So at least I'm in good company if I thought Clowney was better.

 

[Bri]

Looking back over the PFW Draft Guide yesterday. They had Clowney as the 12th best WR and Jones as the 53rd best. So at least I'm in good company if I thought Clowney was better.

And I would think the Pack could trade him now then. Not for much but I'd bet some team liked him and wanted him. He could have no trade value in a few weeks.

 

[Sabertooth]

First - This is a James Jones threadSecond - Clowney is very raw. He needs two to three years of development ands thats why he was drafted late. That he can't catch kicks does not bode well but he can make the team if he can perform well in another special teams postion.Jones is kicking ### in punt returns and I don't think he has mis-handled a kick yet.Don't forget that Koren Robinson made the Pro-Bowl as a kick returner a couple years ago and he should come back in September. As far as I know he has kept his nose clean since last year and is living in Green Bay.

I think he's sitting in a cell in Minnesota at the moment.

 

[Aaronstory]

Looking back over the PFW Draft Guide yesterday. They had Clowney as the 12th best WR and Jones as the 53rd best. So at least I'm in good company if I thought Clowney was better.

And I would think the Pack could trade him now then. Not for much but I'd bet some team liked him and wanted him. He could have no trade value in a few weeks.

Um, no, he has no trade value right now.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Jones now passed Bob Ferguson and listed as a #2 WR (with Ruvell Martin) on the Packers official depth chart, for what its worth.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Jones now passed Bob Ferguson and listed as a #2 WR (with Ruvell Martin) on the Packers official depth chart, for what its worth.

While this is just confirmation of what we all know (Ferguson sucks), it's still nice to see.