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Some reports are saying that he will have a break out season, Turner is getting older and the carries will soon be shared. Do you guys think he will win the job over snelling? A better question I wanted to ask was Jaquizz's ability to be a feature back. He isn't small he is short. At 5"7 and 198 pounds he's tough to bring down. Many say Ray Rice and Maurice Jones-Drew are good examples of comparison of smaller backs that excel but what about another past falcon running back Warrick Dunn? Dunn had two inches on Quizz but was 10 pounds lighter and he was a stud, both backs don't have the explosiveness of Rice or MJD but they are definitely more shifty and quick (not fast, quick). We have all seen it at some point, the Starter goes down and the back up tries to show he can be the better option. If this happened would Quizz Be successful?

 
He has been getting hype from some this offseason. I think it is feasible that his workload increases but I don't think Turner is done and he also has Snelling to contend with. I don't see enough elite qualities from him to think he will take the lead role anytime soon. The hope for owners is that he catches more passes in this offense. But with Julio, Roddy, Douglas, Gonzo...I don't see him catching enough balls to make him a steady contributor.

 
My view on Rodgers in dynasty formats if you want him this is your last chance to get him. Turner is done after this year, and he might be more like Brandon Jacobs then some think

 
This is from last year and I think still holds true.

I'm a big believer just because he seems like a buy low and I LOVE the upside...A soon to be 30 year old Turner and Snelling even is 27Atlanta didn't seem to prioritize resigning Snelling or NorwoodA 5th round pick, but the Falcons did move up to get him and he was their 3rd pick. Where was he on their board?Pretty much proven he can run between the tackles, potential PPR monster, nose for endzoneShown durabilityNice intangibles, humble, smartYoung team with a great futureExcitability factor- Will coaches/teammates/fans etc scream to give him more carries? We can say what we will about RBBC concerns, and they are valid, but coaches do what they need to win games.
 
My question is, what have we seen to indicate that Turner is done? Rodgers may get some additional reps to keep Turner fresh. Turner may not 20 carries a game like he has in his time in ATL, but he could still get 16-18. Unless people think Turner will get hurt, I don't quite understand why the Falcons would bench Turner. Turner still had a 4.5 ypc last season.

 
Turner, IMO is basically one year behind Gore in terms of hitting the wall. I think he has 1 maybe 2 years left. Rodgers will probably see an increase in workload, but not enough to warrant the current hype around him.

 
My question is, what have we seen to indicate that Turner is done? Rodgers may get some additional reps to keep Turner fresh. Turner may not 20 carries a game like he has in his time in ATL, but he could still get 16-18. Unless people think Turner will get hurt, I don't quite understand why the Falcons would bench Turner. Turner still had a 4.5 ypc last season.
For me, the clear indicator that he is done is that he is getting on in age. I am trying to buy Rodgers now so I have him when Turner hits the wall, which history indicates is coming within the next few seasons at best. I'm banking that by the end of this year, Rodgers will be scoring in the Top 30 backs. At his current price, that's a value. I don't think Turner is done, but the fat lady is certainly clearing her throat for that last song.
 
My question is, what have we seen to indicate that Turner is done? Rodgers may get some additional reps to keep Turner fresh. Turner may not 20 carries a game like he has in his time in ATL, but he could still get 16-18. Unless people think Turner will get hurt, I don't quite understand why the Falcons would bench Turner. Turner still had a 4.5 ypc last season.
For me, the clear indicator that he is done is that he is getting on in age. I am trying to buy Rodgers now so I have him when Turner hits the wall, which history indicates is coming within the next few seasons at best. I'm banking that by the end of this year, Rodgers will be scoring in the Top 30 backs. At his current price, that's a value. I don't think Turner is done, but the fat lady is certainly clearing her throat for that last song.
It's likely that Turner has had more solid seasons in the past than he will have in the future, but I am not sure I am ready to stick a fork in him. From what I have seen, the Falcons will be passing more and running less these days, so that alone may take some carries away from Turner. He's never been a force receiving, so that would start to reduce his time on the field as well.He didn't play all that much in SD, so it's not like he's had 2500 career carries. In the past 15 years, we've seen 30+ year old RBs score 200 fantasy points 15 times and another 24 score at least 150. A lot of backs seem to hit a wall around 30, but several have been able to play productively into their early 30s.I agree that Turner COULD lose it quickly, but I would think that he will be the huge majority ball carrier this year again and Rodgers will be a complimentary piece. We will need to see how this year goes before moving on to predictions for next season.
 
Turner is slow, no longer the Turner Burner he once was. Sure he gets 4.5 a carry but it is more in a Jerome Bettis/Brandon Jacobs role going forward.

 
Last year, Turner ran for 31 fewer yards than in 2010 despite getting 33 fewer carries. He also had career highs in catches and receiving yards. For comparison, Rodgers and Snelling had YPCs of 3.6 and 3.4 on 101 carries and similar receiving yardage totals to Turner despite more catches.

I can see Rodgers maybe stealing some carries and catches from Jason Snelling but I don't think he'll make too much of an impact on Turner just yet. I'm also not ready to say that Turner is done or quickly heading downhill. It wouldn't surprise me if Turner is still the man for another 3-4 seasons in Atlanta even if he doesn't get 20 carries a game.

 
what has anyone seen to date from jacquizz rodgers that he'll be better than turner running the ball??

i ask because I've seen one staff project 200 carries this for him.

always fascinated by this because all the discussion revolves around turner.....more than what quizz can do....

 
The blurbs sent out by Joe Bryant have been considerably cooler on Rodgers the past couple days. Quizz has a shot this year, but I'd be hesitant to invest too much in him before training camp and maybe even the first couple of preseason games.

If he has a rock solid grasp on the #2 RB spot I feel much more confident in believing the Falcons see him as a back of the future than if he and Snelling are sharing time or if Rodgers is just filling a third-down role.

 
what has anyone seen to date from jacquizz rodgers that he'll be better than turner running the ball?? i ask because I've seen one staff project 200 carries this for him. always fascinated by this because all the discussion revolves around turner.....more than what quizz can do....
Of course this is just some eye candy from college and you can get a highlight video on anyone in the NFL but just notice his footwork and agility. Also note that he can be a beast at the goal line. People say he doesn't have elite qualities but I think he does. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0xi0eaaP7IGive the kid a shot and see what happens.
 
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'David Yudkin said:
My question is, what have we seen to indicate that Turner is done? Rodgers may get some additional reps to keep Turner fresh. Turner may not 20 carries a game like he has in his time in ATL, but he could still get 16-18. Unless people think Turner will get hurt, I don't quite understand why the Falcons would bench Turner. Turner still had a 4.5 ypc last season.
Age, history, system, projection.......you are free to gamble on him at his current price. I'll pass.
 
I think people discount him because of his height. Because he is stout. I never understood why being short was a bad thing to be quite honest.

 
I love speculation about Turner hitting the wall in "the next few seasons". That doesn't really sell me on Quizz in 2012 or 2013. That's a long time to hold a guy waiting for dividends. These speculative "buy early" plays rarely work out. How many teams lose their workhorse back and then hand the reigns over to their 5th rounder from a couple years ago? I'm not saying it can't happen, but I absolutely expect Quizz to have some competition when the organization starts to worry about Turner. Running backs are cheap and plentiful. Why not bring in a Michael Bush-esque free agent? His contract was really affordable. I don't have a list, but if they want A-list talent, Stewart is going to be available. Bottom line is, an organization would be crazy not to bring in some competition and I don't think Quizz is elite enough to hold them off.

If everyone here was pressed for an over/under for Rodgers' career high carries for a season, what would you honestly guess? I'm going with 160. I doubt this guys ever sniffs 200 carries in 16 games. I like the guy... watched him play a few games in college. Fun to watch. Just really doubt he ever gets a feature back role.

Here's a post I liked from another thread:

Jacquizz Rodgers ATL RB: Height/Weight 5' 6" / 196lbs, DOB/Age Feb 6, 1990 / 22

I loved his talent last season. I think he's headed for a big role increase. He's unlike the other backs on the team in that he's a scat back and can catch. Snelling will get some but he's more of a backup type of guy. Rodgers will bring an explosive element to the Falcons offense. When Turner is in the game you know he's running. And when Atlanta gets a lead he'll be leaned on. But with Carolina and New Orleans on the docket, not to mention the murderer's row of offenses the Falcons play in the second half of the season. You have a potentially money matchup in Detroit during championship week.
I don't get the fascination with Rodgers. I just don't see anything explosive. His combine numbers:4.59 40 yard

33" vertical

9'05" broad jump

4.26 shuttle

7.31 3 cone

It also didn't show in his numbers last year (as well as any unique receiving ability):

3.6 yards per carry (Turner 4.5)

63.6% catch % (Turner 63%)

5.7 yards per target (Turner 6.2)

I can't see him ever being anything more than a backup. I don't see why they would increase his role at the expense of Turner when Turner is still more productive. A lot of 5'6", 196 pound guys can succeed in college. Very few can in the pros.
 
What little I've seen of Quizz he seems to remind me of a stronger Lionel James. I wonder if the Falcons will use him like the Chargers used James, and more recently how the Saints used Sproles catching balls out of the backfield. I like Quizz a lot but I don't think his value lies with him getting 200 carries but rather him getting 50+ receptions, therefore I like his upside much more for PPR.

 
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'Craig_MiamiFL said:
what has anyone seen to date from jacquizz rodgers that he'll be better than turner running the ball?? i ask because I've seen one staff project 200 carries this for him. always fascinated by this because all the discussion revolves around turner.....more than what quizz can do....
Of course this is just some eye candy from college and you can get a highlight video on anyone in the NFL but just notice his footwork and agility. Also note that he can be a beast at the goal line. People say he doesn't have elite qualities but I think he does. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0xi0eaaP7IGive the kid a shot and see what happens.
I saw every Falcon offensive snap in 2011 (LOOK AT ME!!) because I own every offensive player on their team (sans Tony G). Still have the Falcon shortcuts DVR'd. I wanted to see something from Rodgers (owning him)....I just didn't running the football.Quizz left a lot to be desired running the ball. He has some nice leg drive and open field potential (and I do believe he has elite change of direction ability -- he and Dion Lewis really wowed me at the combine in this regard), but I think he just lacks the physical ability to be more than a specialty player. (I think he can be a poor man's Sproles in a wide open Falcon offense. He unquestionably lacks the burst of Sproles.Michael Turner is the best runner on the team. I realize we get a lot of offseason fluff here, but I'm just stunned that anyone that watched the Falcons really believes Turner isn't.Rodgers has a nice opportunity ahead of him on a solid team that needs a new dimension out of the backfield. I don't see much rushing potential at all with him....I do believe he can catch in excess of 50 balls (especially given Gonzo's age & Douglas has still yet to put together consistently)
 
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I don't see anything really explosive about him. I'll let someone else buy
At any price?
Great post. When I see vague posts such as buy, hold, or sell, I can't but think, "AT WHAT PRICE?!"
I'm not buying at any price.When a player's value drops below the value of a roster spot, there is essentially no value in that player. That's where I'd put Rodgers. If you don't think he'll ever provide significant production, there isn't any reason to carry him on your roster. I think Rodgers only has value as an injury replacement. So if you own Turner and are counting on him this year, Rodgers may have some value as a handcuff. But if you're looking for the eventual replacement for Turner, that guy is probably not currently in Atlanta.
 
I think people discount him because of his height. Because he is stout. I never understood why being short was a bad thing to be quite honest.
There is only so much weight you can pack on a 5'6" frame. A 21 year old is probably not getting any taller but still may add more weight. Weight does matter in the NFL.
 
I don't see anything really explosive about him. I'll let someone else buy
At any price?
Great post. When I see vague posts such as buy, hold, or sell, I can't but think, "AT WHAT PRICE?!"
I'm not buying at any price.When a player's value drops below the value of a roster spot, there is essentially no value in that player. That's where I'd put Rodgers. If you don't think he'll ever provide significant production, there isn't any reason to carry him on your roster. I think Rodgers only has value as an injury replacement. So if you own Turner and are counting on him this year, Rodgers may have some value as a handcuff. But if you're looking for the eventual replacement for Turner, that guy is probably not currently in Atlanta.
This is a huge mistake. If you can buy for a mid 2nd (you can in some leagues) and sell for a future late 1st that may appear late because an owner overvalues his team, and it turns to a top 5 pick, you should do it. Cost is always relevant in every discussion. I'm not saying I like Quizz at his current perceived value, just stating that this line of thinking keeps you from pouncing on opportunities.
 
Im cooling on him. I was eyeing him up as a vet draft pick in a small roster leaguethat gives 1 pt per yard receiving, and 0.5 pt per yard rushing, but I am swaying away from it now.

Turner is the 2012 guy in Atlanta and I think they will run him into the ground. the 2013 starter is probably not on their roster just yet.

 
(Rotoworld) The Falcons' website expects the team's running game to be distributed "on a more by-committee basis."

Analysis: The website cites coach Mike Smith's wishes. Michael Turner's rushing attempts are going to drop significantly, with Jacquizz Rodgers and Jason Snelling taking on more of the load. Atlanta also wants to open up the passing game, an area in which Turner does not excel. While Rodgers' role is on the incline, we question whether he has enough natural talent for a stand-alone fantasy impact.

 
I don't see anything really explosive about him. I'll let someone else buy
At any price?
Great post. When I see vague posts such as buy, hold, or sell, I can't but think, "AT WHAT PRICE?!"
I'm not buying at any price.When a player's value drops below the value of a roster spot, there is essentially no value in that player. That's where I'd put Rodgers. If you don't think he'll ever provide significant production, there isn't any reason to carry him on your roster. I think Rodgers only has value as an injury replacement. So if you own Turner and are counting on him this year, Rodgers may have some value as a handcuff. But if you're looking for the eventual replacement for Turner, that guy is probably not currently in Atlanta.
This is a huge mistake. If you can buy for a mid 2nd (you can in some leagues) and sell for a future late 1st that may appear late because an owner overvalues his team, and it turns to a top 5 pick, you should do it. Cost is always relevant in every discussion. I'm not saying I like Quizz at his current perceived value, just stating that this line of thinking keeps you from pouncing on opportunities.
I guess it depends upon the league. Trying to buy and immediately sell low value players would be extremely tough, at least in my leagues. You have to assume the guy that overvalues him hasn't yet acquired him. In that case, it probably also means the guy that overvalues him isn't very active.In a 12 team league, if I'm going to buy and immediately sell, I have only 10 potential buyers. As can be seen by this thread, with a low value guy, less than half even like the guy enough to become a buyer. So now I'm at 5. Of those, say 1/4 are going to undervalue him, 1/2 might value him fairly, and 1/4 are going to overvalue him. That leaves me with one or two potential buyers that overvalue him. It's likely that he is already on one of those teams. So, to profit, I'd have to buy from one and sell higher to another. That would be tough.
 
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I'm not a huge fan of Turner this year due to the potential sharing with Rodgers as well as having more of a passing attack. With respect to Rodgers and his ability to breakout, I don't really see it unless there's an injury. Turner is there and the team will use him if for nothing else to be battering ram for 15-18 carries a game. It may be worth taking a punt on him and throwing him on your roster as your 5th RB and seeing how he works out but I'd temper my expectations for real production as a result of winning a head to head battle with Turner.

 
This is a huge mistake. If you can buy for a mid 2nd (you can in some leagues) and sell for a future late 1st that may appear late because an owner overvalues his team, and it turns to a top 5 pick, you should do it. Cost is always relevant in every discussion. I'm not saying I like Quizz at his current perceived value, just stating that this line of thinking keeps you from pouncing on opportunities.
However you failed to mention that using that strategy requires not only trading a future 2nd rounder (2013), PLUS getting someone to trade a 2 years out pick (2014 1st).Many leagues do not allow the trading of picks that far in advance, especially for a 1st rounder. I require full payment of any league fees for the year that you are trading the pick away from, and not too many of my owners would be willing to cough up 2 years worth of future league fees simply to acquire a player of Rodgers' stature.Now if the rookie drafts have not been held yet and you are talking about trading a 2nd from this year and 1st from 2013, then that may be a different story. But not many owners that I have played with would be willing to trade that future 1st for this guy, at all. I am pretty darn sure that YOU would not, from the 1 league that I am in with you. :P
 
This is a huge mistake. If you can buy for a mid 2nd (you can in some leagues) and sell for a future late 1st that may appear late because an owner overvalues his team, and it turns to a top 5 pick, you should do it. Cost is always relevant in every discussion. I'm not saying I like Quizz at his current perceived value, just stating that this line of thinking keeps you from pouncing on opportunities.
However you failed to mention that using that strategy requires not only trading a future 2nd rounder (2013), PLUS getting someone to trade a 2 years out pick (2014 1st).Many leagues do not allow the trading of picks that far in advance, especially for a 1st rounder. I require full payment of any league fees for the year that you are trading the pick away from, and not too many of my owners would be willing to cough up 2 years worth of future league fees simply to acquire a player of Rodgers' stature.Now if the rookie drafts have not been held yet and you are talking about trading a 2nd from this year and 1st from 2013, then that may be a different story. But not many owners that I have played with would be willing to trade that future 1st for this guy, at all. I am pretty darn sure that YOU would not, from the 1 league that I am in with you. :P
Perhaps you misunderstood my post. 2013 is a future pick in my leagues. That is what I was suggesting. And it was more of a blanket statement on value as opposed to saying "you guys should go buy Quizz for a mid 2nd and sell for a future 1st!!!!" My point was more that it is a mistake to say you aren't buying at any cost. Ahhhh, the Shark Pool!
 
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Im cooling on him. I was eyeing him up as a vet draft pick in a small roster leaguethat gives 1 pt per yard receiving, and 0.5 pt per yard rushing, but I am swaying away from it now.

Turner is the 2012 guy in Atlanta and I think they will run him into the ground. the 2013 starter is probably not on their roster just yet.
Disagree, how many rookies or free agents have taken over a starting RB role the past few years ? Very few, with RBBC becoming so popular. The 2013 draft class has no Trent, the next best guys have injury histories (Lattimore and K Davis). I'd rather take my chance on players who have had a few years in the system and only have an aging back with a ton of career touches in front of them. Odds are better that Quizz, K Hunter, or Pead become "the guy" in 2013 than someone who isn't on their team's roster. But again as JPeso has pointed out, it hinges on what the cost would be to acquire one of these guys.For Atlanta specifically, I think their 2013 approach will be same as 2012 : RBBC between Turner, Quizz, and Snelling.

 
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Im cooling on him. I was eyeing him up as a vet draft pick in a small roster leaguethat gives 1 pt per yard receiving, and 0.5 pt per yard rushing, but I am swaying away from it now.

Turner is the 2012 guy in Atlanta and I think they will run him into the ground. the 2013 starter is probably not on their roster just yet.
Disagree, how many rookies or free agents have taken over a starting RB role the past few years ? Very few, with RBBC becoming so popular. The 2013 draft class has no Trent, the next best guys have injury histories (Lattimore and K Davis). I'd rather take my chance on players who have had a few years in the system and only have an aging back with a ton of career touches in front of them. Odds are better that Quizz, K Hunter, or Pead become "the guy" in 2013 than someone who isn't on their team's roster. But again as JPeso has pointed out, it hinges on what the cost would be to acquire one of these guys.For Atlanta specifically, I think their 2013 approach will be same as 2012 : RBBC between Turner, Quizz, and Snelling.
I didnt say it would be a rookie in 2013. Lets see waht happens in FA.ETA just saw you said rookie or FA taking over jobs. Lets see what happens here.

 
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I think people discount him because of his height. Because he is stout. I never understood why being short was a bad thing to be quite honest.
In this case it appears to be a good thing. I believe it is his smaller stature that has led to people perceiving him as explosive despite running a slower 40 than Delone Carter. It is a phenomenon known as the Sproles effect.Given Turner's 4.5 ypc last year, I believe you don't need to be super fast to thrive in Atl. Should Turner get hurt, I think Rodgers will be a suitable fill in, although his 3.6 ypc last year gives me pause. I'd expect to see Snelling in at the goal line in this scenario, so Rodgers upside is limited even with a Turner injury. But I can't ask too much for a RB56 pricetag.

 
Starting NFL RB's need to have something special about them athletically to thrive. Rodgers doesn't have that...he's thick and has good agility. But he's not fast or the most explosive person in the world.

Other smaller RBs:

-MJD ran in the 4.3's so that's not even a comparison.

-Sproles low 4.4's to high 4.3's and is much more explosive than Rodgers...he also didn't hold hardly any value in FF until this season.

-Ray Rice is bigger, stronger, faster, quicker

-Chris Johnson can run laps around Rodgers

-Ahmad Bradshaw is faster than Rodgers

-CJ Spiller, again much faster than Rodgers

-Dexter McCluster smaller than Rodgers, but more explosive

Someone referenced Warrick Dunn earlier. You realize that while Dunn was small he had elite agility. Something Rodgers doesn't have.

ETA:

The overhyped RBs he reminds me of would be Lorenzo Booker, Garrett Wolfe, Leon Washington, and Mike Hart. Guys that were smaller in stature, but didn't have enough strength/size/athletic ability to make it work.

 
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He is overrated. Too small to be a everydown back. Snelling was signed to help in RBBC. I think Atlanta signs UFA Stewart next year to be their guy. He will be a stud in their offense.

 
Starting NFL RB's need to have something special about them athletically to thrive. Rodgers doesn't have that...he's thick and has good agility. But he's not fast or the most explosive person in the world. Other smaller RBs: -MJD ran in the 4.3's so that's not even a comparison. -Sproles low 4.4's to high 4.3's and is much more explosive than Rodgers...he also didn't hold hardly any value in FF until this season. -Ray Rice is bigger, stronger, faster, quicker-Chris Johnson can run laps around Rodgers-Ahmad Bradshaw is faster than Rodgers-CJ Spiller, again much faster than Rodgers-Dexter McCluster smaller than Rodgers, but more explosiveSomeone referenced Warrick Dunn earlier. You realize that while Dunn was small he had elite agility. Something Rodgers doesn't have.ETA:The overhyped RBs he reminds me of would be Lorenzo Booker, Garrett Wolfe, Leon Washington, and Mike Hart. Guys that were smaller in stature, but didn't have enough strength/size/athletic ability to make it work.
You have summed it up pretty well. If you're small, you'd better be special.Bradshaw was about the closest comparison (athletically) coming out of college. Bradshaw performed slightly better in all of the combine drills and was about the same weight. The main difference was his height. Sabertooth asked before why height mattered. Bradshaw is a perfect example. While he was 5'10" 198 coming into the draft, he is now listed at 214 on the NFL website. Rodgers will never be listed at 214, at least, until he's around 40 years old.
 
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He has been getting hype from some this offseason. I think it is feasible that his workload increases but I don't think Turner is done and he also has Snelling to contend with. I don't see enough elite qualities from him to think he will take the lead role anytime soon. The hope for owners is that he catches more passes in this offense. But with Julio, Roddy, Douglas, Gonzo...I don't see him catching enough balls to make him a steady contributor.
When I see the blurbs lately from "Insiders" saying 70/30 split- I want to cry out- link? Atlanta's biggest problem was Mularkey/ Smith being too predictable. Last in the NFL in screens. It will be a season work in progress, on the fly, but I see Rogers lining up in the backfield for passes or runs more than 30%. The ol Turner first down, Turner second down will be gone. The key to Atlanta going further will be unpredictability- that means less White and less Turner
 
Starting NFL RB's need to have something special about them athletically to thrive. Rodgers doesn't have that...he's thick and has good agility. But he's not fast or the most explosive person in the world. Other smaller RBs: -MJD ran in the 4.3's so that's not even a comparison. -Sproles low 4.4's to high 4.3's and is much more explosive than Rodgers...he also didn't hold hardly any value in FF until this season. -Ray Rice is bigger, stronger, faster, quicker-Chris Johnson can run laps around Rodgers-Ahmad Bradshaw is faster than Rodgers-CJ Spiller, again much faster than Rodgers-Dexter McCluster smaller than Rodgers, but more explosiveSomeone referenced Warrick Dunn earlier. You realize that while Dunn was small he had elite agility. Something Rodgers doesn't have.ETA:The overhyped RBs he reminds me of would be Lorenzo Booker, Garrett Wolfe, Leon Washington, and Mike Hart. Guys that were smaller in stature, but didn't have enough strength/size/athletic ability to make it work.
4.47 not slowhttp://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/13682485/27861695.
 
Starting NFL RB's need to have something special about them athletically to thrive. Rodgers doesn't have that...he's thick and has good agility. But he's not fast or the most explosive person in the world.

Other smaller RBs:

-MJD ran in the 4.3's so that's not even a comparison.

-Sproles low 4.4's to high 4.3's and is much more explosive than Rodgers...he also didn't hold hardly any value in FF until this season.

-Ray Rice is bigger, stronger, faster, quicker

-Chris Johnson can run laps around Rodgers

-Ahmad Bradshaw is faster than Rodgers

-CJ Spiller, again much faster than Rodgers

-Dexter McCluster smaller than Rodgers, but more explosive

Someone referenced Warrick Dunn earlier. You realize that while Dunn was small he had elite agility. Something Rodgers doesn't have.

ETA:

The overhyped RBs he reminds me of would be Lorenzo Booker, Garrett Wolfe, Leon Washington, and Mike Hart. Guys that were smaller in stature, but didn't have enough strength/size/athletic ability to make it work.
4.47 not slowhttp://www.cbssports...682485/27861695

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But 4.74 is. From your link:
Representatives from an estimated 25 NFL teams saw Oregon State junior running back Jacquizz Rodgers slice his time in the 40-yard dash from an electronically timed 4.74 at the Combine to 4.47, according to the university's offical website .
 
Starting NFL RB's need to have something special about them athletically to thrive. Rodgers doesn't have that...he's thick and has good agility. But he's not fast or the most explosive person in the world.

Other smaller RBs:

-MJD ran in the 4.3's so that's not even a comparison.

-Sproles low 4.4's to high 4.3's and is much more explosive than Rodgers...he also didn't hold hardly any value in FF until this season.

-Ray Rice is bigger, stronger, faster, quicker

-Chris Johnson can run laps around Rodgers

-Ahmad Bradshaw is faster than Rodgers

-CJ Spiller, again much faster than Rodgers

-Dexter McCluster smaller than Rodgers, but more explosive

Someone referenced Warrick Dunn earlier. You realize that while Dunn was small he had elite agility. Something Rodgers doesn't have.

ETA:

The overhyped RBs he reminds me of would be Lorenzo Booker, Garrett Wolfe, Leon Washington, and Mike Hart. Guys that were smaller in stature, but didn't have enough strength/size/athletic ability to make it work.
4.47 not slowhttp://www.cbssports...682485/27861695

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But 4.74 is. From your link:
Representatives from an estimated 25 NFL teams saw Oregon State junior running back Jacquizz Rodgers slice his time in the 40-yard dash from an electronically timed 4.74 at the Combine to 4.47, according to the university's offical website .
You can take to the bank either time. What it says is he is capable of high speed and his college career reflected his prowess.....

 
My question is, what have we seen to indicate that Turner is done? Rodgers may get some additional reps to keep Turner fresh. Turner may not 20 carries a game like he has in his time in ATL, but he could still get 16-18. Unless people think Turner will get hurt, I don't quite understand why the Falcons would bench Turner. Turner still had a 4.5 ypc last season.
For me, the clear indicator that he is done is that he is getting on in age. I am trying to buy Rodgers now so I have him when Turner hits the wall, which history indicates is coming within the next few seasons at best. I'm banking that by the end of this year, Rodgers will be scoring in the Top 30 backs. At his current price, that's a value. I don't think Turner is done, but the fat lady is certainly clearing her throat for that last song.
It's likely that Turner has had more solid seasons in the past than he will have in the future, but I am not sure I am ready to stick a fork in him. From what I have seen, the Falcons will be passing more and running less these days, so that alone may take some carries away from Turner. He's never been a force receiving, so that would start to reduce his time on the field as well.He didn't play all that much in SD, so it's not like he's had 2500 career carries. In the past 15 years, we've seen 30+ year old RBs score 200 fantasy points 15 times and another 24 score at least 150. A lot of backs seem to hit a wall around 30, but several have been able to play productively into their early 30s.

I agree that Turner COULD lose it quickly, but I would think that he will be the huge majority ball carrier this year again and Rodgers will be a complimentary piece. We will need to see how this year goes before moving on to predictions for next season.
That's my take on it. I could see Turner being a strong RB option for at least two more year because of his low mileage in the first half of his career. We've seen it happen many times beforeI a

 
Starting NFL RB's need to have something special about them athletically to thrive. Rodgers doesn't have that...he's thick and has good agility. But he's not fast or the most explosive person in the world.

Other smaller RBs:

-MJD ran in the 4.3's so that's not even a comparison.

-Sproles low 4.4's to high 4.3's and is much more explosive than Rodgers...he also didn't hold hardly any value in FF until this season.

-Ray Rice is bigger, stronger, faster, quicker

-Chris Johnson can run laps around Rodgers

-Ahmad Bradshaw is faster than Rodgers

-CJ Spiller, again much faster than Rodgers

-Dexter McCluster smaller than Rodgers, but more explosive

Someone referenced Warrick Dunn earlier. You realize that while Dunn was small he had elite agility. Something Rodgers doesn't have.

ETA:

The overhyped RBs he reminds me of would be Lorenzo Booker, Garrett Wolfe, Leon Washington, and Mike Hart. Guys that were smaller in stature, but didn't have enough strength/size/athletic ability to make it work.
4.47 not slowhttp://www.cbssports...682485/27861695

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But 4.74 is. From your link:
Representatives from an estimated 25 NFL teams saw Oregon State junior running back Jacquizz Rodgers slice his time in the 40-yard dash from an electronically timed 4.74 at the Combine to 4.47, according to the university's offical website .
You can take to the bank either time. What it says is he is capable of high speed and his college career reflected his prowess.....
No, the combine #s legitimately carry far more weight. Was he injured or sick?
 
Starting NFL RB's need to have something special about them athletically to thrive. Rodgers doesn't have that...he's thick and has good agility. But he's not fast or the most explosive person in the world.

Other smaller RBs:

-MJD ran in the 4.3's so that's not even a comparison.

-Sproles low 4.4's to high 4.3's and is much more explosive than Rodgers...he also didn't hold hardly any value in FF until this season.

-Ray Rice is bigger, stronger, faster, quicker

-Chris Johnson can run laps around Rodgers

-Ahmad Bradshaw is faster than Rodgers

-CJ Spiller, again much faster than Rodgers

-Dexter McCluster smaller than Rodgers, but more explosive

Someone referenced Warrick Dunn earlier. You realize that while Dunn was small he had elite agility. Something Rodgers doesn't have.

ETA:

The overhyped RBs he reminds me of would be Lorenzo Booker, Garrett Wolfe, Leon Washington, and Mike Hart. Guys that were smaller in stature, but didn't have enough strength/size/athletic ability to make it work.
4.47 not slowhttp://www.cbssports...682485/27861695

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But 4.74 is. From your link:
Representatives from an estimated 25 NFL teams saw Oregon State junior running back Jacquizz Rodgers slice his time in the 40-yard dash from an electronically timed 4.74 at the Combine to 4.47, according to the university's offical website .
You can take to the bank either time. What it says is he is capable of high speed and his college career reflected his prowess.....
No, the combine #s legitimately carry far more weight. Was he injured or sick?
No they don't.
 
White and Jones will be the key players in that offense now. Its a pass happy league and they should open it up more, thus leaving Turner fewer carries anyway, and therefore, less chances for Rodgers. Dynasty league, yeah, take him and better days will come. Redraft, I wouldnt get overly excited for 2012.

 
Starting NFL RB's need to have something special about them athletically to thrive. Rodgers doesn't have that...he's thick and has good agility. But he's not fast or the most explosive person in the world.

Other smaller RBs:

-MJD ran in the 4.3's so that's not even a comparison.

-Sproles low 4.4's to high 4.3's and is much more explosive than Rodgers...he also didn't hold hardly any value in FF until this season.

-Ray Rice is bigger, stronger, faster, quicker

-Chris Johnson can run laps around Rodgers

-Ahmad Bradshaw is faster than Rodgers

-CJ Spiller, again much faster than Rodgers

-Dexter McCluster smaller than Rodgers, but more explosive

Someone referenced Warrick Dunn earlier. You realize that while Dunn was small he had elite agility. Something Rodgers doesn't have.

ETA:

The overhyped RBs he reminds me of would be Lorenzo Booker, Garrett Wolfe, Leon Washington, and Mike Hart. Guys that were smaller in stature, but didn't have enough strength/size/athletic ability to make it work.
4.47 not slowhttp://www.cbssports...682485/27861695

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But 4.74 is. From your link:
Representatives from an estimated 25 NFL teams saw Oregon State junior running back Jacquizz Rodgers slice his time in the 40-yard dash from an electronically timed 4.74 at the Combine to 4.47, according to the university's offical website .
You can take to the bank either time. What it says is he is capable of high speed and his college career reflected his prowess.....
No, the combine #s legitimately carry far more weight. Was he injured or sick?
No they don't.
You mean like... “They had me measured 5-5 at the Combine,” he said with a laugh. “At first today I was 5-7 when they measured me, then they re-measured me to 5-6 ¾.” :rolleyes:

 
Starting NFL RB's need to have something special about them athletically to thrive. Rodgers doesn't have that...he's thick and has good agility. But he's not fast or the most explosive person in the world.

Other smaller RBs:

-MJD ran in the 4.3's so that's not even a comparison.

-Sproles low 4.4's to high 4.3's and is much more explosive than Rodgers...he also didn't hold hardly any value in FF until this season.

-Ray Rice is bigger, stronger, faster, quicker

-Chris Johnson can run laps around Rodgers

-Ahmad Bradshaw is faster than Rodgers

-CJ Spiller, again much faster than Rodgers

-Dexter McCluster smaller than Rodgers, but more explosive

Someone referenced Warrick Dunn earlier. You realize that while Dunn was small he had elite agility. Something Rodgers doesn't have.

ETA:

The overhyped RBs he reminds me of would be Lorenzo Booker, Garrett Wolfe, Leon Washington, and Mike Hart. Guys that were smaller in stature, but didn't have enough strength/size/athletic ability to make it work.
4.47 not slowhttp://www.cbssports...682485/27861695

.
But 4.74 is. From your link:
Representatives from an estimated 25 NFL teams saw Oregon State junior running back Jacquizz Rodgers slice his time in the 40-yard dash from an electronically timed 4.74 at the Combine to 4.47, according to the university's offical website .
You can take to the bank either time. What it says is he is capable of high speed and his college career reflected his prowess.....
No, the combine #s legitimately carry far more weight. Was he injured or sick?
No they don't.
Bradshaw 4.55McCluster 4.58

Ray Rice 4.44 to 4.49

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=33797&draftyear=2007&genpos=

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/355729-dexter-mccluster-at-the-2010-nfl-combine-did-40-time-hurt-him

http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2008/02/ray_rice_shows_good_speed_at_t.html

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'Sabertooth said:
'BigSteelThrill said:
No, the combine #s legitimately carry far more weight. Was he injured or sick?
No they don't.
Yes, yes they do. Pro day numbers are next to worthless. Someone posted an article in here a few months ago about how you can't trust pro day numbers. I'll try to find it, but even if I can't, ask yourself... when was the last time a guy didn't post better numbers at his pro day?! It magically happens all the time.
 
I'm skeptical about 40 times on Pro Days. Run the 40 on the track at the Combine, or on your fast track at a Pro Day?

LSU Rueben Randle

Combine - 4.50, 4.56

Pro Day - 4.33, 4.37

Morris Claiborne

Combine - 4.50

Pro Day - 4.39
Good article that explains why Combine and Pro day times are not really compariable: http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Last-word-on-40-times.html
Let's just accept the fact that there are no burners on the Falcons.
 

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