Sabertooth
Footballguy
I may be coming around to that. I think I may have started shoveling dirt on the Burner a bit too soon. I don't think Burner hits the wall and Quizz at best might find himself in a committee.
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^ This.There is always a chance and if you have the roster space then I would stash him, as for Turner being done, the writing is on the wall look at his last 5 or 6 games of last year and he was terrible in every game but week 17 (which is usually after the fantasy playoffs are over) and it was against a Tampa Bay team that had quit weeks before. I think he will produce decently this year but I wouldn't count on him in the playoffs or next year.'steelcityman said:
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
remember when Sporles was on SD, it'll be kind of like that
RavenLunatic
Footballguy
Better a year early than late. For Turner and Quiz.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
What games have you been watching?
Monsters of the Midway
Footballguy
Personally I haven't seen enough from Rodgers to show me that he's a starting caliber back. He may be but I haven't been overwhelmed so far.
Combine that with the fact that I also think that rumors of Turners demise are a bit exaggerated plus the likelihood that adequate free agent talent will probably be available when ATL does look to replace Turner and I'm not seeing a lot of value.
So if Turner is done and
If they don't sign the next Michael Bush or draft a RB early and
If Rodgers will perform with more carries
Then he'll be a steal. I'm not banking on it.
I'm not actively avoiding the guy but I'm not feeling the value
Combine that with the fact that I also think that rumors of Turners demise are a bit exaggerated plus the likelihood that adequate free agent talent will probably be available when ATL does look to replace Turner and I'm not seeing a lot of value.
So if Turner is done and
If they don't sign the next Michael Bush or draft a RB early and
If Rodgers will perform with more carries
Then he'll be a steal. I'm not banking on it.
I'm not actively avoiding the guy but I'm not feeling the value
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I agree with this. Sproles is lightning in a bottle, Quiz is a fart in a room.
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texasbirdfan
Footballguy
You pick a player and this board will eventually have those who over hype him.The point of Rogers is NOT will he be the man this year, but how much of a bite will he take in RBBC or rather how much of a bite will he take out of Turner owners. For example today's Footballguys daily email:
ATL - RB Michael Turner says he is not overweight
Source: The Atlanta Journal-Constitution - D. Orlando Ledbetter
Atlanta Falcons RB Michael Turner disputed a report that said he is overweight. He said that he is around his playing weight now and nothing as change in terms of his weight.
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Some radio personalities in Atlanta were reporting that Turner looked extremely overweight at minicamp. That report was disputed by Ledbetter, who said Turner looked fine to him out at practice. Some fantasy owners are trying to promote Jacquizz Rodgers as the RB to own in Atlanta. However, the team will still feature Turner with a 70/30 split in favor of the seasoned veteran. Turner may not get 300 carries this year, but it doesn't seem like his fantasy production will fall as much as some think.
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I for one think if Rogers gets off to a good start his 30% could increase just due to diversity of play calling. What will increase are screens to him which will take away from the so called 70% that Turner would have had in carries. It is more addition by subtraction. Turner will see less action because of:
1. new coordinator will eliminate the past predictable Turner on 1st down, Turner on second down, etc.
2. Rogers was underutilized last season, especially on screens (one)
3. Harry Douglas was underutilized last season on over the middle short routes and long routes
4. more Julio Jones
5. Snelling will spell him more because he can catch
6. Turner he is older, team will use more caution
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Boone22
Footballguy
I LOLed
texasbirdfan
Footballguy
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
40 Yard Dash: 4.47 seconds20 Yard Dash: 2.62 seconds
10 Yard Dash: 1.55 seconds
Bench Press: 23 reps (225 lb)
Shuttle: 3.96
Three Cone: 6.96
40 Yard Dash: 4.59 seconds
20 Yard Dash: 2.58 seconds
10 Yard Dash: 1.58 seconds
Bench Press: n/a (225 lb)
Shuttle: 4.26
Three Cone: 7.31
NFL combine.
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Dippa
Footballguy
Where are you getting 23 reps for Quizz from? Sproles did have 23 reps, which is very impressive for a back his size, while Quizz had 13 at his pro day. IMO, that's the biggest difference...Sproles is freakishly strong for his size, and is arguably as strong as most big power backs. Sproles actually outlifted his future 270 pound teammate, Merriman, at the combine.Quizz's 13 reps were lower than Chris Rainey (16 reps) and Lamichael James (15 reps) at this year's combine. As a comparison, Sproles lifted almost as much as Trent Richardson (25 reps).
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
It was at espn.
You are correct though, 13 at his pro day. Didnt even try at combine. Would have been dead last.
You are correct though, 13 at his pro day. Didnt even try at combine. Would have been dead last.
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Xue
Footballguy
A guy can have low reps simply because his endurance isn't there. Doesn't mean he has a low "one-rep MAX". Maurice Jones-Drew only put up 18 reps. Don't worry about the bench, JacQuizz is plenty strong/powerful for his size. Some of you didn't see him truck Jason Allen last year:
| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX6ofXkoHII&feature=relatedJacQuizz's Combine numbers aren't impressive and everyone should already know this, so you just have to evaluate him based on what you see.
| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX6ofXkoHII&feature=relatedJacQuizz's Combine numbers aren't impressive and everyone should already know this, so you just have to evaluate him based on what you see.
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Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
Problem is there are some that think Quizz is going to get a lot of carries (I've seen as high as 200 carries projected. I think they'll bring that projection down a ton by the time the season rolls around, but I am curious why they think he'll be a huge rushing option).
Quizz is a nice receiving outlet that the Falcons don't have with Turner. And he's much more elusive in the open field than Snelling. Quizz has nice lower body strength....problem is that comparing Quizz to Turner in that regard is laughable. He's just not the runner Turner is.
Quizz is not that talented athletically to ever be more than a spot back. I think he does bring enough to the table to expect him to double his 2011 stats. (And get a bit over 100 carries and 40 catches)
Quizz is a nice receiving outlet that the Falcons don't have with Turner. And he's much more elusive in the open field than Snelling. Quizz has nice lower body strength....problem is that comparing Quizz to Turner in that regard is laughable. He's just not the runner Turner is.
Quizz is not that talented athletically to ever be more than a spot back. I think he does bring enough to the table to expect him to double his 2011 stats. (And get a bit over 100 carries and 40 catches)
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
I dont really care that much about the bench (except for Sproles its exceptional, and for Quizz its the very worst)... we were just fixing an inaccuracy. Those 3cone and shuttles are worth a look though.
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To commish is my wish
Footballguy
No, no, no, no. Do NOT encourage this. Of all the metrics used to judge player ability, the shark pool eyeball test is by far the least reliable. I would actually argue that it has a negative correlation with performance. It is human nature to see what you want to see, so this is not a knock on anyone, just a fact.And for the record, there is a strong correlation between the number of reps you do and your "one-rep max". It is true that 23 reps is a sign of endurance, but I'd bet you a million dollars that Sproles' max was much higher than Quizz's.
Benchwarmers
Footballguy
OVERHYPED ALERT.
Cold Dead Hands
Footballguy
I was unaware that halfbacks ran on their hands.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
LeSean McCoy had one of the weakest workouts by anyone ever
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
And if that was one of the weakest ever... what does that make Quizz? As all his measurable at his pro day were markedly worse then McCoys.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
My main point was, workouts are workouts. can they guy play. I think yes in Quizz's case
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I think we saw a little more of a Rbbc towards the end of last season. As good as Turner is, the guy handicaps the offense because he can't catch as well as some of the other premier backs in the league. On 3rd and long, he comes out of the game, and when you're out of the game, it's hard to get fantasy points.
I think Atlanta wants to win and pounding the ball 3 yards with Turner all the time just isn't going to get it done vs. Green Bay and New York. Turner will still have his place in the offense and against weak teams that Atlanta can get up on and pound the run that's where Turner will have his value but overall I see a decline for Turner and more of a change of pace in how Atlanta chooses to use their running game.
I think Atlanta wants to win and pounding the ball 3 yards with Turner all the time just isn't going to get it done vs. Green Bay and New York. Turner will still have his place in the offense and against weak teams that Atlanta can get up on and pound the run that's where Turner will have his value but overall I see a decline for Turner and more of a change of pace in how Atlanta chooses to use their running game.
texasbirdfan
Footballguy
http://www.atlantafalcons.com/2012/06/white-this-is-the-best-ive-been-around/
“We look real good right now, I’m not going to lie,” White said of the offense on Wednesday during Atlanta’s minicamp. “The past three or four years, this is the best I’ve been around since I’ve been here and seen the cumulative group on the field.”
less White, less Turner, more Douglas, more Rogers...
“We look real good right now, I’m not going to lie,” White said of the offense on Wednesday during Atlanta’s minicamp. “The past three or four years, this is the best I’ve been around since I’ve been here and seen the cumulative group on the field.”
less White, less Turner, more Douglas, more Rogers...
Turner has never once averaged 3 ypc. His worst average was 2010 at 4.1, and last year he was at 4.4, which is a huge difference from 3. Not that I disagree with your points on them changing things up a bit more, but I disagree with your assertion that Turner has been a liability in the running game.
he's got something like 1500 career carries. RB's don't last much longer than that.I know this is a Turner/Quizz thread but it could very easily be a Stephen Jackson/Isaiah Pead thread. Similar situations, similar backs.
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Hmmm...
Code:
42. Starks, James GBP RB 43. Leshoure, Mikel DET RB 44. Williams, Ryan ARI RB 45. Thomas, Daniel MIA RB 46. Pead, Isaiah STL RB 47. Miller, Lamar MIA RB 48. Gerhart, Toby MIN RB 49. Rodgers, Jacquizz ATL RB 50. Hunter, Kendall SFO RB 51. Jones, Felix DAL RB 52. Vereen, Shane NEP RBkinglochness
Footballguy
I think the trick for quiz this year (for redrafts) is being able to take him really late and not invest a high or even mid round pick in him. History says Turner is going to fall off in the next year or two. Quiz looks like he could be a good NFL RB. Neither of those are sure things though. Let Quiz be your "Look who I stole" in the 11th" guy this year, nothing more.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
It's not that he's been a liability in the running game, it's more along the lines for me that he doesn't offer more in the passing game. He's basically useless so he's often taken out on obvious passing downs. He's actually a pretty good pass blocker, too bad he didn't have hands.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Where exactly is that magic spot?
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Is he ever going to be a goal line back? If not, he'll never really have any real fantasy value.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Is he a threat to run, though? More so then Rogers. Can Turner block?
texasbirdfan
Footballguy
I'll say it again another way. THE reason Rogers will see more action and Turner less is that with Turner not being pass catching adept, the Falcons were too predictable for the defenses as to what was coming next. The last time the Falcons were unpredictable they were in the Super Bowl. (Chandler play action- Jam Anderson running and catching). IT was a gift from Above that Mularkey left and a new OC will spread it around.
socrates
Footballguy
I tend to agree. He lacks the size to be a feature back, in my estimation. As a change-of-pace back, I prefer the upside of some quicker backs, like LaRod Stephens-Howling, Taiwan Jones or Dexter McCluster, over Jaquizz Rogers, and I expect them to be around later to draft than Jaquizz. If Turner misses time, I would expect Snelling to be in the mix, limiting Rodgers' value, and as a dynasty stash, I don't expect Rodgers to ever be the primary ball carrier.
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Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
I own Quizz in a couple of places and was disappointed last year the few times I saw him get touches. He just didn't look as sudden as I'd like to see for a guy that will need to make his living on quickness in the NFL, and averaging nearly a yard less / attempt than Turner on both carries and catches isn't what I expected.
I'm holding based on not wanting to make a decision off of a tiny sample size and lack of decent offers, but my expectations have definitely gone down. He looked pretty average to me last year...
I'm holding based on not wanting to make a decision off of a tiny sample size and lack of decent offers, but my expectations have definitely gone down. He looked pretty average to me last year...
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
It's scary the number of posts I read where I agree with you. You used to have a different avatar I think.'socrates said:
Abspara
Footballguy
The difference between those backs you listed and Rodgers is that Rodgers will be seeing a significant amount of playing time this year. Those other backs are bench warmers, at best. Heck, MFL has McCluster classified as a WR, that's how insignificant he is at RB.I'm not expecting the world from Rodgers, but I think he'll be a valuable bye week fill in, or perhaps even a flex option in PPR.'socrates said:
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-jb-
Footballguy
very old jokeGriffin.'-jb- said:QuentinGriffith
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Man, with all the folks on here that can see in the future , I'd expect you guys to be pimping your own website.Seriously, how do you know Rodgers will see significant reps? Last time I checked Snelling was still on the roster, and he's no slouch.
ETA: McCluster's position has changed every year on MFL. He was a RB last year. It doesn't matter. I'd put money on him seeing more snaps than Rodgers this year.
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socrates
Footballguy
I take that as a significant compliment that we tend to agree on many matters. Been Socrates for many years on here . . . may have had a previous avatar though.
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