Jaquizz Rodgers (1 Viewer)

[Warpig]

It appears to me that Rodgers IS the 3rd down back. He looked much better than Turner running the ball. I was gonna say it looked like the O-line wasn't helping Turner, but Rodgers got in there and gained positive yards while Turner struggled. Turner did gain 8 yards on a screen play.

I know it's preseason, but at this point, it looks like Turner is a plodder to be used in goalline situations and Rodgers is the more dynamic runner. Curious to see how this plays out as the season wears on.

 

[hotdogcollars]

Wasnt very impressed with either Quizz or Turner last night. Also i'm not sure i trust the Falcons offense to put up huge #s a la Green Bay or NO

I had rodgers pushing up my board but may have to drop him down a few notches after last night

 

[werdnoynek]

Wasnt very impressed with either Quizz or Turner last night. Also i'm not sure i trust the Falcons offense to put up huge #s a la Green Bay or NOI had rodgers pushing up my board but may have to drop him down a few notches after last night

what about quizz was unimpressive last night? he was one of the bright spots on the offense if you ask me...

 

[Banger]

Wasnt very impressed with either Quizz or Turner last night. Also i'm not sure i trust the Falcons offense to put up huge #s a la Green Bay or NOI had rodgers pushing up my board but may have to drop him down a few notches after last night

what about quizz was unimpressive last night? he was one of the bright spots on the offense if you ask me...

agreed...I thought he showed some quickness and liked that he was targeted a good bit again out of the backfield and that you saw him being a focal point of the 2 minute offense. Certainly more good than bad IMO.

 

[hotdogcollars]

Wasnt very impressed with either Quizz or Turner last night. Also i'm not sure i trust the Falcons offense to put up huge #s a la Green Bay or NOI had rodgers pushing up my board but may have to drop him down a few notches after last night

what about quizz was unimpressive last night? he was one of the bright spots on the offense if you ask me...

agreed...I thought he showed some quickness and liked that he was targeted a good bit again out of the backfield and that you saw him being a focal point of the 2 minute offense. Certainly more good than bad IMO.

sorry, should clarify that. And should also state that i know this is preseason and that they likely wont show their hand now.But 3 things struck me as disappointing:1) The Falcons O seems to be more of the same. Lots of promise, not a whole lot of punch. Every year, the hype train builds up steam on this O and every year they (somewhat) disappoint2) They are way too committed to Turner IMO. He's old, slow, and did i mention slow? If they're going to run a high speed high scoring system this year, they need Quizz on the field with Turner. Split him out, motion out of the backfield. Basically use him like the Saints use Sproles3) Quizz looked ok, but he's no Sproles. Nowhere near as quick, nor the big play potentialI've seen Quizz going as high as 6 or 7 in some PPR mocks. Not sure i can justify that based on the above

 

[Neo]

Wasnt very impressed with either Quizz or Turner last night. Also i'm not sure i trust the Falcons offense to put up huge #s a la Green Bay or NOI had rodgers pushing up my board but may have to drop him down a few notches after last night

what about quizz was unimpressive last night? he was one of the bright spots on the offense if you ask me...

Other then the fact that he looked like wee man out there? I thought he looked good too but man he is tiny. I hope he can hold up out there.

 

[Shanahanigans]

I want to like Quizz; I own him in two dynasty leagues. I'm having a hard time getting past how ordinary he looked last year, though. I saw none of the electric quickness that makes a guy like Sproles special. Rodgers looks more like an undersized power RB to me. Amos Zeroue is actually what I thought watching him last year -- great college player who lacks the size/speed/quickness to succeed in the NFL. All that is based on a small sample size, and I hope I'm wrong, but I'm having a hard time getting excited here.I think much of the excitement about Jacquizz is based entirely on Turner's age and perceived imminent decline as opposed to anything specific about Jacquizz himself.

This summarizes my opinion of Rodgers pretty well. Although it was a small sample size, from what I saw last year Rodgers does not pass the eye test. He lacks size, speed, and strength, and I do not think he will ever be anything more than a 3rd down back. Even then I doubt he lasts too long in this league as a 3rd down guy.

 

[werdnoynek]

Wasnt very impressed with either Quizz or Turner last night. Also i'm not sure i trust the Falcons offense to put up huge #s a la Green Bay or NO

I had rodgers pushing up my board but may have to drop him down a few notches after last night

what about quizz was unimpressive last night? he was one of the bright spots on the offense if you ask me...

Other then the fact that he looked like wee man out there? I thought he looked good too but man he is tiny. I hope he can hold up out there.

he does look tiny, but he isn't tiny. his coaches have said it and feel he can be a complete back. from Mike Smith via ESPN:

“Jacquizz is not little,’’ Smith said. “He’s short, but he’s thick. People projected him to be a third-down back, a change-of-pace back. I think the guy has the skill set to play on all three downs. One of the things that stood out to me more than anything is his ability to pass protect. A lot of times, your change-of-pace back, you’ve got to get him the ball and not ask him to be a part of the protection. I don’t think that’s the case with Jacquizz. I think Jacquizz is an all-around back that can play on all three downs.’’

besides a shoulder injury in 2008 which caused him to miss a couple of games one of which was a bowl game, he was able to handle a full load in college and produced extremely well. i don't think there's really any reason to be concerned or think that he's unable to handle a full load as he hasn't given a reason to doubt him yet. at this time, as last night showed, he looks like the best back on the team. unless turner is just taking the preseason off and going through the motions, he appears to have lost a step or a burner... i think quizz's role will increase throughout the season and if he does well with his opportunities could become the lead back next year.

people can continue to pigeonhole him into a sproles role because he's short... he's not sproles, nor should he need to be to be successful in that offense. to say he's only a 3rd down back is selling him short imo. (pun intended)

 

[Casting Couch]

I want to like Quizz; I own him in two dynasty leagues. I'm having a hard time getting past how ordinary he looked last year, though. I saw none of the electric quickness that makes a guy like Sproles special. Rodgers looks more like an undersized power RB to me. Amos Zeroue is actually what I thought watching him last year -- great college player who lacks the size/speed/quickness to succeed in the NFL. All that is based on a small sample size, and I hope I'm wrong, but I'm having a hard time getting excited here.I think much of the excitement about Jacquizz is based entirely on Turner's age and perceived imminent decline as opposed to anything specific about Jacquizz himself.

This summarizes my opinion of Rodgers pretty well. Although it was a small sample size, from what I saw last year Rodgers does not pass the eye test. He lacks size, speed, and strength, and I do not think he will ever be anything more than a 3rd down back. Even then I doubt he lasts too long in this league as a 3rd down guy.

Thank you for the voice of reason.

 

[Sabertooth]

I want to like Quizz; I own him in two dynasty leagues. I'm having a hard time getting past how ordinary he looked last year, though. I saw none of the electric quickness that makes a guy like Sproles special. Rodgers looks more like an undersized power RB to me. Amos Zeroue is actually what I thought watching him last year -- great college player who lacks the size/speed/quickness to succeed in the NFL. All that is based on a small sample size, and I hope I'm wrong, but I'm having a hard time getting excited here.I think much of the excitement about Jacquizz is based entirely on Turner's age and perceived imminent decline as opposed to anything specific about Jacquizz himself.

This summarizes my opinion of Rodgers pretty well. Although it was a small sample size, from what I saw last year Rodgers does not pass the eye test. He lacks size, speed, and strength, and I do not think he will ever be anything more than a 3rd down back. Even then I doubt he lasts too long in this league as a 3rd down guy.

Thank you for the voice of reason.

Yep, a small back with no offseason or NFL experience looked small and weak in his first season in the pros. Why do people continually discount how odd last offseason was. Every said rookies were going to struggle and most did, especially those drafted outside the top 10 or so, with a few exceptions.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I want to like Quizz; I own him in two dynasty leagues. I'm having a hard time getting past how ordinary he looked last year, though. I saw none of the electric quickness that makes a guy like Sproles special. Rodgers looks more like an undersized power RB to me. Amos Zeroue is actually what I thought watching him last year -- great college player who lacks the size/speed/quickness to succeed in the NFL. All that is based on a small sample size, and I hope I'm wrong, but I'm having a hard time getting excited here.I think much of the excitement about Jacquizz is based entirely on Turner's age and perceived imminent decline as opposed to anything specific about Jacquizz himself.

This summarizes my opinion of Rodgers pretty well. Although it was a small sample size, from what I saw last year Rodgers does not pass the eye test. He lacks size, speed, and strength, and I do not think he will ever be anything more than a 3rd down back. Even then I doubt he lasts too long in this league as a 3rd down guy.

Thank you for the voice of reason.

Yep, a small back with no offseason or NFL experience looked small and weak in his first season in the pros. Why do people continually discount how odd last offseason was. Every said rookies were going to struggle and most did, especially those drafted outside the top 10 or so, with a few exceptions.

Pretty sure they can't coach him up into being bigger, faster, or quicker. YMMV.

 

[Sabertooth]

I want to like Quizz; I own him in two dynasty leagues. I'm having a hard time getting past how ordinary he looked last year, though. I saw none of the electric quickness that makes a guy like Sproles special. Rodgers looks more like an undersized power RB to me. Amos Zeroue is actually what I thought watching him last year -- great college player who lacks the size/speed/quickness to succeed in the NFL. All that is based on a small sample size, and I hope I'm wrong, but I'm having a hard time getting excited here.I think much of the excitement about Jacquizz is based entirely on Turner's age and perceived imminent decline as opposed to anything specific about Jacquizz himself.

This summarizes my opinion of Rodgers pretty well. Although it was a small sample size, from what I saw last year Rodgers does not pass the eye test. He lacks size, speed, and strength, and I do not think he will ever be anything more than a 3rd down back. Even then I doubt he lasts too long in this league as a 3rd down guy.

Thank you for the voice of reason.

Yep, a small back with no offseason or NFL experience looked small and weak in his first season in the pros. Why do people continually discount how odd last offseason was. Every said rookies were going to struggle and most did, especially those drafted outside the top 10 or so, with a few exceptions.

Pretty sure they can't coach him up into being bigger, faster, or quicker. YMMV.

Ok, well I think you are completely wrong on that. Guys add muscle and size all the time. NFL strength, nutrition, and conditioning is a big part of the leap from college to pros.

 

[One]

I want to like Quizz; I own him in two dynasty leagues. I'm having a hard time getting past how ordinary he looked last year, though. I saw none of the electric quickness that makes a guy like Sproles special. Rodgers looks more like an undersized power RB to me. Amos Zeroue is actually what I thought watching him last year -- great college player who lacks the size/speed/quickness to succeed in the NFL. All that is based on a small sample size, and I hope I'm wrong, but I'm having a hard time getting excited here.I think much of the excitement about Jacquizz is based entirely on Turner's age and perceived imminent decline as opposed to anything specific about Jacquizz himself.

This summarizes my opinion of Rodgers pretty well. Although it was a small sample size, from what I saw last year Rodgers does not pass the eye test. He lacks size, speed, and strength, and I do not think he will ever be anything more than a 3rd down back. Even then I doubt he lasIts too long in this league as a 3rd down guy.

Thank you for the voice of reason.

+1, I wish I'd see it, but he just looks very ordinary to me. Nothing Sproles or MJD-like besides his size.I'll be passing, but I hope to be proved wrong as a big Pac 12 fan.

 

[texasbirdfan]

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5. Michael Turner Looked Slow

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A lot of the struggles on Michael Turner's running plays can be attributed to sub-par blocking by the line.

However, the line can't take the full blame, as there were occasions where Turner showed no burst whatsoever.

Oddly enough, Turner actually did better receiving on Thursday night than he did running the ball.

Turner caught three balls for 14 yards against the Bengals, highlighted by a very nice eight-yard screen pass, yet rushed only three times for minus-3 yards.

While it seems that Turner will continue to be the featured back, it is obvious that this offense does not suit his skill set.

Both Jacquizz Rodgers and Jason Snelling fit this new pass-first offense, but the Falcons seem content trying to put the square peg in the round hole.

 

[werdnoynek]

rotoworld is quoting orlando ledbetter with another quote today from Mike Smith saying they view Jacquizz as a 3 down back... by being the best back thus far in preseason (i know woop-de-doo) he's backing up his coach's feelings

 

[LawFitz]

I'm starting to think Snelling could be the play here at RB (midseason pickup of course).

What was his injury again? Anything serious?

 

[texasbirdfan]

I'm starting to think Snelling could be the play here at RB (midseason pickup of course).What was his injury again? Anything serious?

Snelling may be the Shark move here if he gets out of his current injury. Then again Turner may be coasting right now because the games don't count yet...

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Then again Turner may be coasting right now because the games don't count yet...

Very plausible.

 

[Casting Couch]

Then again Turner may be coasting right now because the games don't count yet...

Very plausible.

Turner is an auto-sell after one solid game.

 

[werdnoynek]

Then again Turner may be coasting right now because the games don't count yet...

Very plausible.

Turner is an auto-sell after one solid game.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Then again Turner may be coasting right now because the games don't count yet...

Very plausible.

Turner is an auto-sell after one solid game.

Yeah, last years #5 fantasy RB who ran for 4.5 per carry on 300+ carries is a "auto-sell". Brilliant.

 

[FGITLOTR]

Wasnt very impressed with either Quizz or Turner last night. Also i'm not sure i trust the Falcons offense to put up huge #s a la Green Bay or NOI had rodgers pushing up my board but may have to drop him down a few notches after last night

What game were you watching??

 

[Banger]

I'm starting to think Snelling could be the play here at RB (midseason pickup of course).What was his injury again? Anything serious?

Snelling may be the Shark move here if he gets out of his current injury. Then again Turner may be coasting right now because the games don't count yet...

Don't over think it. Everyone has been talking about quizz and his preseason. The coach is quoted after the game saying how quizz is a 3 down back. Put the pieces together.

 

[Shutout]

Then again Turner may be coasting right now because the games don't count yet...

Very plausible.

Turner is an auto-sell after one solid game.

Yeah, last years #5 fantasy RB who ran for 4.5 per carry on 300+ carries is a "auto-sell". Brilliant.

A LOT can happen in a year, especially a RB. One day you're the windshield, the next day you're the bug.

 

[Shawn]

Was about to start a thread on Michael Turners decline when i saw this one. I am definitely aboard in dynasty this year, not fully sure if he is worth it in redraft, unless we hear more news about him being used more this season or hear bad news about turner. But in all reality, Turner is slowing down, and I feel Rodgers may see more work by mid season if not sooner.

 

[texasbirdfan]

I'm starting to think Snelling could be the play here at RB (midseason pickup of course).

What was his injury again? Anything serious?

Snelling may be the Shark move here if he gets out of his current injury. Then again Turner may be coasting right now because the games don't count yet...

Don't over think it. Everyone has been talking about quizz and his preseason. The coach is quoted after the game saying how quizz is a 3 down back. Put the pieces together.

"the coach" Smith is using his old brain on that one. The OC Koetter will not stand in the regular season for Turner to be in there on the first 2 downs necessarily. Turner caught some screens, but looked like awkward in his flow. The screens will not be for 3rd down only. For the Falcons this year, they will have to over think it if they want a top 5 offense...

 

[Kenny Powers]

Is there seriously not a thread on Turner is the SP?? I did a search for threads with his name and got nothing, this was the closest thing I could find.

I like Quiz, but I think some people are going to be disappointed with how many touches he gets and I think most people are underestimating Turner's outlook for 2012.

 

[texasbirdfan]

Is there seriously not a thread on Turner is the SP?? I did a search for threads with his name and got nothing, this was the closest thing I could find.I like Quiz, but I think some people are going to be disappointed with how many touches he gets and I think most people are underestimating Turner's outlook for 2012.

nothing has convinced me so far in the preseason nor his past of any Turner revival- if anything I wouldn't be surprised if Snelling overtakes Turner by mid season and Rogers still gets his share

 

[Abspara]

Is there seriously not a thread on Turner is the SP?? I did a search for threads with his name and got nothing, this was the closest thing I could find.I like Quiz, but I think some people are going to be disappointed with how many touches he gets and I think most people are underestimating Turner's outlook for 2012.

nothing has convinced me so far in the preseason nor his past of any Turner revival- if anything I wouldn't be surprised if Snelling overtakes Turner by mid season and Rogers still gets his share

I'd have to also agree with this. Ankle weights Turner looks very slow at this point and his YAC in the limited passing situations he was in was probably worse than old man Tony Gonzalez. Yes, it's definately preseason. Perhaps Turner is just conserving his energy? but all things being equal, at this stage of preseason Jacuzi Rodgers looks to be the more energetic back for the offense they were running and not Turner. I'm not saying Turner won't get his, but those expecting his production from years past are in for a rude awakening.

 

[FF Ninja]

I want to like Quizz; I own him in two dynasty leagues. I'm having a hard time getting past how ordinary he looked last year, though. I saw none of the electric quickness that makes a guy like Sproles special. Rodgers looks more like an undersized power RB to me. Amos Zeroue is actually what I thought watching him last year -- great college player who lacks the size/speed/quickness to succeed in the NFL. All that is based on a small sample size, and I hope I'm wrong, but I'm having a hard time getting excited here.

I think much of the excitement about Jacquizz is based entirely on Turner's age and perceived imminent decline as opposed to anything specific about Jacquizz himself.

Good eyes. You don't see it because it isn't there.Wasn't the OC just quoted (and the quote included in the daily e-mail from Joe) as saying he doesn't worry about the rushing game in the preseason because there's no need to get your RBs beat up in the preseason? Given Turner's between the tackles job and the OC's mindset, it is almost a guarantee that he's not hitting the hole like he would in the regular season so it is hilarious to see people once again trying to read the tea leaves of the preseason. You guys just might have found the next Wali Lundy. Congrats.

But even putting the preseason aside, you Quiz fanboys need to settle down. He's built like Sproles with the quicks of Delone Carter. I liked watching him play in college, but I am not onboard with him as a fantasy relevant player.

Full Discolsure: I own neither in any league. Just can't take the "leg weights Turner" comments anymore. Or the use of terms like quick and explosive for Rodgers just because he's small.

 

[Sea Duck]

Snelling may be the Shark move here

"3rd string veteran may be the shark move" is one of my favorite Shark Pool clichés.

 

[We Tigers]

Is there seriously not a thread on Turner is the SP?? I did a search for threads with his name and got nothing, this was the closest thing I could find.I like Quiz, but I think some people are going to be disappointed with how many touches he gets and I think most people are underestimating Turner's outlook for 2012.

nothing has convinced me so far in the preseason nor his past of any Turner revival- if anything I wouldn't be surprised if Snelling overtakes Turner by mid season and Rogers still gets his share

Turner revival? He had 1500 yards and 11 TDs last year. There's nothing to revive because he hasn't dropped off yet. That might come this year, but let's not pretend he wasn't a great fantasy player last we saw him.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Is there seriously not a thread on Turner is the SP?? I did a search for threads with his name and got nothing, this was the closest thing I could find.I like Quiz, but I think some people are going to be disappointed with how many touches he gets and I think most people are underestimating Turner's outlook for 2012.

nothing has convinced me so far in the preseason nor his past of any Turner revival- if anything I wouldn't be surprised if Snelling overtakes Turner by mid season and Rogers still gets his share

Turner revival? He had 1500 yards and 11 TDs last year. There's nothing to revive because he hasn't dropped off yet. That might come this year, but let's not pretend he wasn't a great fantasy player last we saw him.

Turner was head-and-shoulders the best RB in Atlanta in 2011. He was also one of the better runners in the entire NFL: 2nd in attempts, 3rd in rushing yards, 6th in rushing TDs, 4.5 YPC. Turner's only 30, has shown ZERO sign of slowing down, and has been a fantasy RB1 every healthy year (3/4 total) since he arrived in Atlanta. JacQuizz Rodgers was WAY less effective as both a runner (3.6 YPC, almost a full yard LOWER than Turner) and a receiver (0.9 fewer yards/catch, converted 15% fewer of his targets vs. Turner) last year.People thinking that Rodgers will get touches at Turner's expense are really just seeing what they want to see. Coachspeak + 2 preseason games > 16 actual NFL games in 2011? Really?

 

[Banger]

Is there seriously not a thread on Turner is the SP?? I did a search for threads with his name and got nothing, this was the closest thing I could find.I like Quiz, but I think some people are going to be disappointed with how many touches he gets and I think most people are underestimating Turner's outlook for 2012.

nothing has convinced me so far in the preseason nor his past of any Turner revival- if anything I wouldn't be surprised if Snelling overtakes Turner by mid season and Rogers still gets his share

Turner revival? He had 1500 yards and 11 TDs last year. There's nothing to revive because he hasn't dropped off yet. That might come this year, but let's not pretend he wasn't a great fantasy player last we saw him.

Turner was head-and-shoulders the best RB in Atlanta in 2011. He was also one of the better runners in the entire NFL: 2nd in attempts, 3rd in rushing yards, 6th in rushing TDs, 4.5 YPC. Turner's only 30, has shown ZERO sign of slowing down, and has been a fantasy RB1 every healthy year (3/4 total) since he arrived in Atlanta. JacQuizz Rodgers was WAY less effective as both a runner (3.6 YPC, almost a full yard LOWER than Turner) and a receiver (0.9 fewer yards/catch, converted 15% fewer of his targets vs. Turner) last year.People thinking that Rodgers will get touches at Turner's expense are really just seeing what they want to see. Coachspeak + 2 preseason games > 16 actual NFL games in 2011? Really?

He was in the 1st half...the 2nd half, not so much...over the last 7 games last year Turner ran for 3.15, 3.14, 3.6, 3.21, 3.54, 10.11 and 2.73 yards per carry. Then the coaches come out this year and say that they want to reduce his load this year...you know why? He had nothing in the tank left...does that drop start earlier this year? How many carries do they cut him down? At mid season if Turner is running at 3.5 ypc do they start a 15/7 split with Quizz getting all the receptions, 3rd down work and two minute drill?

 

[Banger]

“Quizz (4/24/0 rushing with 2/20/0 receiving vs. Cincinnati) is someone that we feel is a three down back,” head coach Mike Smith said in speaking about Jacquizz Rodgers after the game on Thursday. “He can come in a do the things that a three-down back does. He’s is not just a change of pace back.”

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I definitely didn't watch every Falcons game last year, so I don't know if Turner wore down, was dinged up, played some good run defenses, or just experienced normal random variance.

I do know that when I did watch the Falcons (parts of three or four games spread out over the season) Turner was noticeably better than Rodgers in every way. I remember it pretty clearly because it wasn't what I was expecting to see.

I also put roughly zero weight on preseason choachspeak, but YMMV.

 

[BallparkFrank]

I definitely didn't watch every Falcons game last year, so I don't know if Turner wore down, was dinged up, played some good run defenses, or just experienced normal random variance.I do know that when I did watch the Falcons (parts of three or four games spread out over the season) Turner was noticeably better than Rodgers in every way. I remember it pretty clearly because it wasn't what I was expecting to see.I also put roughly zero weight on preseason choachspeak, but YMMV.

I agree. I still think Turner has some juice left in the tank and that it's ridiculous how many coaches talk about reducing carries of their go to back during the preseason and how rarely it ever happens with games on the line.I think the Turner/Quizz debate should actually be centered more around the major change in offensive philosophy more than the projected Shaun Alexander fall-off-a-cliff demise of Turner. Turner seems like a square peg in a round hole in watching Koetter's offense so far while Quizz seems much more natural with the changes. I'll be fascinated to see how they make that work. Can Turner's game work within this offense is the biggest question.

 

[FavreCo]

I definitely didn't watch every Falcons game last year, so I don't know if Turner wore down, was dinged up, played some good run defenses, or just experienced normal random variance.I do know that when I did watch the Falcons (parts of three or four games spread out over the season) Turner was noticeably better than Rodgers in every way. I remember it pretty clearly because it wasn't what I was expecting to see.I also put roughly zero weight on preseason choachspeak, but YMMV.

I agree. I still think Turner has some juice left in the tank and that it's ridiculous how many coaches talk about reducing carries of their go to back during the preseason and how rarely it ever happens with games on the line.I think the Turner/Quizz debate should actually be centered more around the major change in offensive philosophy more than the projected Shaun Alexander fall-off-a-cliff demise of Turner. Turner seems like a square peg in a round hole in watching Koetter's offense so far while Quizz seems much more natural with the changes. I'll be fascinated to see how they make that work. Can Turner's game work within this offense is the biggest question.

He needs to be lining up without a FB. Whenever they have the FB in there it's like they put a huge neon sign above Turner saying 'This guy is going to run the ball on this play'. That's part of the reason Turner couldn't average 4 ypc in the 2nd half of the season. It's bad when you can sit on the couch and say 'here comes a handoff to Turner.'.

 

[Banger]

I definitely didn't watch every Falcons game last year, so I don't know if Turner wore down, was dinged up, played some good run defenses, or just experienced normal random variance.I do know that when I did watch the Falcons (parts of three or four games spread out over the season) Turner was noticeably better than Rodgers in every way. I remember it pretty clearly because it wasn't what I was expecting to see.I also put roughly zero weight on preseason choachspeak, but YMMV.

I agree. I still think Turner has some juice left in the tank and that it's ridiculous how many coaches talk about reducing carries of their go to back during the preseason and how rarely it ever happens with games on the line.I think the Turner/Quizz debate should actually be centered more around the major change in offensive philosophy more than the projected Shaun Alexander fall-off-a-cliff demise of Turner. Turner seems like a square peg in a round hole in watching Koetter's offense so far while Quizz seems much more natural with the changes. I'll be fascinated to see how they make that work. Can Turner's game work within this offense is the biggest question.

He needs to be lining up without a FB. Whenever they have the FB in there it's like they put a huge neon sign above Turner saying 'This guy is going to run the ball on this play'. That's part of the reason Turner couldn't average 4 ypc in the 2nd half of the season. It's bad when you can sit on the couch and say 'here comes a handoff to Turner.'.

that's interesting and could be why they are talking (and so far doing) about throwing to the backs out of the backfield more.

 

[texasbirdfan]

I definitely didn't watch every Falcons game last year, so I don't know if Turner wore down, was dinged up, played some good run defenses, or just experienced normal random variance.I do know that when I did watch the Falcons (parts of three or four games spread out over the season) Turner was noticeably better than Rodgers in every way. I remember it pretty clearly because it wasn't what I was expecting to see.I also put roughly zero weight on preseason choachspeak, but YMMV.

I have watched every Falcon game for many seasons, if you want inside info and not relying on the yesteryear's, Turner is on the way out as a top FF back. Rogers and Snelling may be the duo this year..

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I definitely didn't watch every Falcons game last year, so I don't know if Turner wore down, was dinged up, played some good run defenses, or just experienced normal random variance.I do know that when I did watch the Falcons (parts of three or four games spread out over the season) Turner was noticeably better than Rodgers in every way. I remember it pretty clearly because it wasn't what I was expecting to see.I also put roughly zero weight on preseason choachspeak, but YMMV.

I have watched every Falcon game for many seasons, if you want inside info and not relying on the yesteryear's, Turner is on the way out as a top FF back. Rogers and Snelling may be the duo this year..

Please define "inside info.". Because the only thing suggesting that Turner will see less work than Rodgers and Snelling is speculation from a small but vocal minority on a FF message board.

 

[FDC]

I want to like Quizz; I own him in two dynasty leagues. I'm having a hard time getting past how ordinary he looked last year, though. I saw none of the electric quickness that makes a guy like Sproles special. Rodgers looks more like an undersized power RB to me. Amos Zeroue is actually what I thought watching him last year -- great college player who lacks the size/speed/quickness to succeed in the NFL. All that is based on a small sample size, and I hope I'm wrong, but I'm having a hard time getting excited here.

I think much of the excitement about Jacquizz is based entirely on Turner's age and perceived imminent decline as opposed to anything specific about Jacquizz himself.

Would you say MJD has electric quickness? I don't think he does. MJD is about the same height/weight ratio as Amos but they were just built differently.Now I don't think Jacquizz is built exactly like MJD but I think he is closer to MJD than Sproles.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I want to like Quizz; I own him in two dynasty leagues. I'm having a hard time getting past how ordinary he looked last year, though. I saw none of the electric quickness that makes a guy like Sproles special. Rodgers looks more like an undersized power RB to me. Amos Zeroue is actually what I thought watching him last year -- great college player who lacks the size/speed/quickness to succeed in the NFL. All that is based on a small sample size, and I hope I'm wrong, but I'm having a hard time getting excited here.

I think much of the excitement about Jacquizz is based entirely on Turner's age and perceived imminent decline as opposed to anything specific about Jacquizz himself.

Would you say MJD has electric quickness? I don't think he does. MJD is about the same height/weight ratio as Amos but they were just built differently.Now I don't think Jacquizz is built exactly like MJD but I think he is closer to MJD than Sproles.

Compared to Sproles or McCoy? No. MJD is substantially bigger, quicker, faster, and more powerful than Jaqujizz Rodgers though.

 

[FDC]

I want to like Quizz; I own him in two dynasty leagues. I'm having a hard time getting past how ordinary he looked last year, though. I saw none of the electric quickness that makes a guy like Sproles special. Rodgers looks more like an undersized power RB to me. Amos Zeroue is actually what I thought watching him last year -- great college player who lacks the size/speed/quickness to succeed in the NFL. All that is based on a small sample size, and I hope I'm wrong, but I'm having a hard time getting excited here.

I think much of the excitement about Jacquizz is based entirely on Turner's age and perceived imminent decline as opposed to anything specific about Jacquizz himself.

Would you say MJD has electric quickness? I don't think he does. MJD is about the same height/weight ratio as Amos but they were just built differently.Now I don't think Jacquizz is built exactly like MJD but I think he is closer to MJD than Sproles.

Compared to Sproles or McCoy? No. MJD is substantially bigger, quicker, faster, and more powerful than Jaqujizz Rodgers though.

Well I don't agree that he is substantially quicker or fasterI like to keep it fairly simple.

Do you think Jacquizz can make people miss? clearly IMO

Do you think Jacquizz can be durable? Yes IMO, far more so than Sproles at least

Do you think Jacquizz can handle goalline duties? Yes IMO

Do you think Jacquizz can run between the tackles? Yes

Do you think Quiz will be used a lot short term and long term?

This is the biggest question. I think Atlanta is clearly moving towards a pass centered attack. I think Quiz might be a part of that. He might not have that homerun ability like a Sproles but he also can do things that Sproles doesn't do.

 

[Banger]

I definitely didn't watch every Falcons game last year, so I don't know if Turner wore down, was dinged up, played some good run defenses, or just experienced normal random variance.I do know that when I did watch the Falcons (parts of three or four games spread out over the season) Turner was noticeably better than Rodgers in every way. I remember it pretty clearly because it wasn't what I was expecting to see.I also put roughly zero weight on preseason choachspeak, but YMMV.

I have watched every Falcon game for many seasons, if you want inside info and not relying on the yesteryear's, Turner is on the way out as a top FF back. Rogers and Snelling may be the duo this year..

Please define "inside info.". Because the only thing suggesting that Turner will see less work than Rodgers and Snelling is speculation from a small but vocal minority on a FF message board.

btw...I'm not suggesting that Quizz will see more work than Turner.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I want to like Quizz; I own him in two dynasty leagues. I'm having a hard time getting past how ordinary he looked last year, though. I saw none of the electric quickness that makes a guy like Sproles special. Rodgers looks more like an undersized power RB to me. Amos Zeroue is actually what I thought watching him last year -- great college player who lacks the size/speed/quickness to succeed in the NFL. All that is based on a small sample size, and I hope I'm wrong, but I'm having a hard time getting excited here.

I think much of the excitement about Jacquizz is based entirely on Turner's age and perceived imminent decline as opposed to anything specific about Jacquizz himself.

Would you say MJD has electric quickness? I don't think he does. MJD is about the same height/weight ratio as Amos but they were just built differently.Now I don't think Jacquizz is built exactly like MJD but I think he is closer to MJD than Sproles.

Compared to Sproles or McCoy? No. MJD is substantially bigger, quicker, faster, and more powerful than Jaqujizz Rodgers though.

Well I don't agree that he is substantially quicker or fasterI like to keep it fairly simple.

Do you think Jacquizz can make people miss? clearly IMO

Do you think Jacquizz can be durable? Yes IMO, far more so than Sproles at least

Do you think Jacquizz can handle goalline duties? Yes IMO

Do you think Jacquizz can run between the tackles? Yes

Just curious, what exactly is this based on? MJD whooped Rodgers in the 40 and the 3 cone at the combine despite being 11 pounds heavier. Eyeball test? Nope, Rodgers sucked last year. Are we going off of college youTube highlights here?

 

[tjnc09]

The one thing to keep in mind about Turner is he has played against Balt and CIncy 1st string so far in the preseason - 2nd and 8th last year in lowest YPC. They follow it up with Miami (3rd) and Jax (5th). He's going to look like crap - but their schedule in the regular season vs the run looks very juicy.

 

[FDC]

I want to like Quizz; I own him in two dynasty leagues. I'm having a hard time getting past how ordinary he looked last year, though. I saw none of the electric quickness that makes a guy like Sproles special. Rodgers looks more like an undersized power RB to me. Amos Zeroue is actually what I thought watching him last year -- great college player who lacks the size/speed/quickness to succeed in the NFL. All that is based on a small sample size, and I hope I'm wrong, but I'm having a hard time getting excited here.

I think much of the excitement about Jacquizz is based entirely on Turner's age and perceived imminent decline as opposed to anything specific about Jacquizz himself.

Would you say MJD has electric quickness? I don't think he does. MJD is about the same height/weight ratio as Amos but they were just built differently.Now I don't think Jacquizz is built exactly like MJD but I think he is closer to MJD than Sproles.

Compared to Sproles or McCoy? No. MJD is substantially bigger, quicker, faster, and more powerful than Jaqujizz Rodgers though.

Well I don't agree that he is substantially quicker or fasterI like to keep it fairly simple.

Do you think Jacquizz can make people miss? clearly IMO

Do you think Jacquizz can be durable? Yes IMO, far more so than Sproles at least

Do you think Jacquizz can handle goalline duties? Yes IMO

Do you think Jacquizz can run between the tackles? Yes

Just curious, what exactly is this based on? MJD whooped Rodgers in the 40 and the 3 cone at the combine despite being 11 pounds heavier. Eyeball test? Nope, Rodgers sucked last year. Are we going off of college youTube highlights here?

Yep Eyeball. I didn't think he looked that bad last year.I would bet MJD's current 40 time is similar to Rodgers right now.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I want to like Quizz; I own him in two dynasty leagues. I'm having a hard time getting past how ordinary he looked last year, though. I saw none of the electric quickness that makes a guy like Sproles special. Rodgers looks more like an undersized power RB to me. Amos Zeroue is actually what I thought watching him last year -- great college player who lacks the size/speed/quickness to succeed in the NFL. All that is based on a small sample size, and I hope I'm wrong, but I'm having a hard time getting excited here.

I think much of the excitement about Jacquizz is based entirely on Turner's age and perceived imminent decline as opposed to anything specific about Jacquizz himself.

Would you say MJD has electric quickness? I don't think he does. MJD is about the same height/weight ratio as Amos but they were just built differently.Now I don't think Jacquizz is built exactly like MJD but I think he is closer to MJD than Sproles.

Compared to Sproles or McCoy? No. MJD is substantially bigger, quicker, faster, and more powerful than Jaqujizz Rodgers though.

Well I don't agree that he is substantially quicker or fasterI like to keep it fairly simple.

Do you think Jacquizz can make people miss? clearly IMO

Do you think Jacquizz can be durable? Yes IMO, far more so than Sproles at least

Do you think Jacquizz can handle goalline duties? Yes IMO

Do you think Jacquizz can run between the tackles? Yes

Just curious, what exactly is this based on? MJD whooped Rodgers in the 40 and the 3 cone at the combine despite being 11 pounds heavier. Eyeball test? Nope, Rodgers sucked last year. Are we going off of college youTube highlights here?

Yep Eyeball. I didn't think he looked that bad last year.I would bet MJD's current 40 time is similar to Rodgers right now.

An eyeball test based on 78 pretty ineffective touches tells you that he's durable, can handle inside and goal line carries, and suggested a comparison to MJD?

 

[FDC]

An eyeball test based on 78 pretty ineffective touches tells you that he's durable, can handle inside and goal line carries, and suggested a comparison to MJD?

An eyeball test based on 78 touches tells you that he isn't durable and can't handle inside and goal line carries? I suggested a more similar build to MJD than Sproles has. I did not suggest a comparison IMO.