Jared Cook's value in PPR dynasty leagues (2 Viewers)

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

You want current Finley dollars for today's Jared Cook.

This. Nothing wrong with that if JU thinks that Cook = Finley. I happen to LOVE Cook and suspect JU is right about his talent. But I could be wrong, and the situations are pretty different too.So IMO there's no reason someone should pay that price since there's a 100% chance Finley = Finley, and something less than that that Cook = Finley. There has to be a discount.But we see it all the time that the bid/ask spread is wide on guys like this, and so they don't get traded much.

 

[doowain]

Oh, we get your point. You want to use Finley as a benchmark for your projected meteoric rise of Jared Cook. You want current Finley dollars for today's Jared Cook. Unfortunately there are a couple big holes in your reasoning. The main one being the difference between Aaron Rodgers and Vince Young.

FYI - no one is buying what you're selling.....so stop.

Not true. I'm not saying Cook is worth what Finley is worth today, because Finley is worth more than a late 1st rounder. I'm just saying that I believe Cook will also be worth more this time next year than he's worth today, just as Finley is currently worth more today than he was this time last year.

OK.....that's all well and good. The problem with that though is you aren't going to get anyone to pay you TODAY for what he'll maybe be worth a year from now. I get your thinking of being proactive in dynasty, but we aren't exactly talking about buying Rashard Mendenhall last offseason. This is a guy who went undrafted in a lot of rookie drafts and is on a run first offense with the most inaccurate QB in the league throwing to him. Not exactly an ideal situation....and certainly not one that anyone will be willing to overpay to acquire.And, really, if you think he'll be worth that much in a year....why not do what the top notch owners do and hold him until that true value is realized. If you do, you'll find plenty of suitors.

 

[Crippler]

Oh, we get your point. You want to use Finley as a benchmark for your projected meteoric rise of Jared Cook. You want current Finley dollars for today's Jared Cook. Unfortunately there are a couple big holes in your reasoning. The main one being the difference between Aaron Rodgers and Vince Young.

FYI - no one is buying what you're selling.....so stop.

Not true. I'm not saying Cook is worth what Finley is worth today, because Finley is worth more than a late 1st rounder. I'm just saying that I believe Cook will also be worth more this time next year than he's worth today, just as Finley is currently worth more today than he was this time last year.

That is one mans opinion and in a minority in this thread. I think Cook will be more like Vernon Davis and will take 3 or 4 years before he breaks out. With a 50% chance to turn into Ben Troupe Jr. If I wait on him, his value can go down after year 2 also as this happens many times. Alot of owners patience on these guys can be short. The big question is what was Vernon Davis being traded for a year ago. After 3 years of disappointing his ownership

 

[ClownDogs]

I don't think there are too many people that don't think Cook will be a stud.

I assume you mean other than the roughly 25 NFL teams that passed on him three times?

Finley was drafted with the 28th pick of the 3rd round.

Who was giving a first for Finley a year ago?

I am not a huge cook fan, but he seems to be about what Finley was last offseason. I paid a 2nd/3rd in a 16team IDP league for Finley last offseason and people said i paid WAY to much. Well turns out, i get the last laugh.I will no way pay a 1st for Cook, but if i liked him, would dish out a 2nd/3rd if needed.

 

[squistion]

Oh, we get your point. You want to use Finley as a benchmark for your projected meteoric rise of Jared Cook. You want current Finley dollars for today's Jared Cook. Unfortunately there are a couple big holes in your reasoning. The main one being the difference between Aaron Rodgers and Vince Young.

FYI - no one is buying what you're selling.....so stop.

Not true. I'm not saying Cook is worth what Finley is worth today, because Finley is worth more than a late 1st rounder. I'm just saying that I believe Cook will also be worth more this time next year than he's worth today, just as Finley is currently worth more today than he was this time last year.

OK.....that's all well and good. The problem with that though is you aren't going to get anyone to pay you TODAY for what he'll maybe be worth a year from now. I get your thinking of being proactive in dynasty, but we aren't exactly talking about buying Rashard Mendenhall last offseason. This is a guy who went undrafted in a lot of rookie drafts and is on a run first offense with the most inaccurate QB in the league throwing to him. Not exactly an ideal situation....and certainly not one that anyone will be willing to overpay to acquire.And, really, if you think he'll be worth that much in a year....why not do what the top notch owners do and hold him until that true value is realized. If you do, you'll find plenty of suitors.

Exactly. The current value of a player already includes his potential upside. If Cook were indeed worth the 1.08 to 1.12 then people would pay it - if one can't get any takers, then he isn't currently worth that asking price.

 

[FUBAR]

Oh, we get your point. You want to use Finley as a benchmark for your projected meteoric rise of Jared Cook. You want current Finley dollars for today's Jared Cook. Unfortunately there are a couple big holes in your reasoning. The main one being the difference between Aaron Rodgers and Vince Young.

FYI - no one is buying what you're selling.....so stop.

Not true. I'm not saying Cook is worth what Finley is worth today, because Finley is worth more than a late 1st rounder. I'm just saying that I believe Cook will also be worth more this time next year than he's worth today, just as Finley is currently worth more today than he was this time last year.

That is one mans opinion and in a minority in this thread. I think Cook will be more like Vernon Davis and will take 3 or 4 years before he breaks out. With a 50% chance to turn into Ben Troupe Jr. If I wait on him, his value can go down after year 2 also as this happens many times. Alot of owners patience on these guys can be short. The big question is what was Vernon Davis being traded for a year ago. After 3 years of disappointing his ownership

Even as a Cook owner, I agree with this. Not so much on the Troupe stuff, but I liked his potential too.

 

[FUBAR]

Oh, we get your point. You want to use Finley as a benchmark for your projected meteoric rise of Jared Cook. You want current Finley dollars for today's Jared Cook. Unfortunately there are a couple big holes in your reasoning. The main one being the difference between Aaron Rodgers and Vince Young.

FYI - no one is buying what you're selling.....so stop.

Not true. I'm not saying Cook is worth what Finley is worth today, because Finley is worth more than a late 1st rounder. I'm just saying that I believe Cook will also be worth more this time next year than he's worth today, just as Finley is currently worth more today than he was this time last year.

OK.....that's all well and good. The problem with that though is you aren't going to get anyone to pay you TODAY for what he'll maybe be worth a year from now. I get your thinking of being proactive in dynasty, but we aren't exactly talking about buying Rashard Mendenhall last offseason. This is a guy who went undrafted in a lot of rookie drafts and is on a run first offense with the most inaccurate QB in the league throwing to him. Not exactly an ideal situation....and certainly not one that anyone will be willing to overpay to acquire.And, really, if you think he'll be worth that much in a year....why not do what the top notch owners do and hold him until that true value is realized. If you do, you'll find plenty of suitors.

Don't get me wrong, VY will make some horrible throws but he's a lot more accurate than you're giving him credit for. And it's not like Cook is going deep most of the time.

 

[JPeso]

The Rodgers vs. Young argument crushes this debate. I'm a VY fan, think he's here to stay, but Johnny, aren't you also uber-high on Britt? I think you have to take a step back and run some quick and dirty projections.

I think we have to look at what VY projects over the course of 16 games, and then now that Britt is firmly entrenched from Week 1 as the starter, an offseason with VY as the guy, etc. VY will never be that accurate, nor will he ever average 230 yards per game, but he won't need to in order to make Britt a viable WR2 in PPR leagues.

VY in 10 Games = 1,879 / 10 * 16 = 3,000.

Quickly:

CJ3 = 500

Nate = 450

Gage = 300

TEs = 750

Britt = 1000

Britt - Likely never finishes as a WR1 in terms of fantasy (i.e. top 12 scorer) unless CJ3 dies. But with his physicality, no reason to think this guy isn't a lower yards-per-catch guy who can catch 90 balls for 1,000 yards and 8 TDs, or roughly 240 in PPR leagues, slotting him firmly as a WR2.

Cook - Are we going to assume he gets all of those yards? I highly doubt it. Scaife will be around, and good ol' fatback Crumpler will still be on the field some as well.

 

[noneother]

I was comfortable going into 2010 with Cook as my TE... until this thread...

 

[JPeso]

But we see it all the time that the bid/ask spread is wide on guys like this, and so they don't get traded much.

Which is why you usually don't see owners sending on offers moving guys like this at an inflated value - i.e. Cook owner sending Cook for a 1st. It's likely that 11/12 guys laugh at the offer. Instead, it's much better to e-mail/PM/etc., when you are dealing with a guy with as large a big/ask spread as Cook.

 

[gianmarco]

I was comfortable going into 2010 with Cook as my TE... until this thread...

No worries. Just sell him off for a 1st AND 2nd round pick. That's his current value apparently. If someone rejects, just let them know how foolish they are for not being proactive.

 

[noneother]

I was comfortable going into 2010 with Cook as my TE... until this thread...

No worries. Just sell him off for a 1st AND 2nd round pick. That's his current value apparently. If someone rejects, just let them know how foolish they are for not being proactive.

sadly, i don't think I would get EITHER in my league...

 

[JohnnyU]

Cook - Are we going to assume he gets all of those yards? I highly doubt it. Scaife will be around, and good ol' fatback Crumpler will still be on the field some as well.

Cook is the future, and that isn't necessarily 2010. I'm looking at 2011 to be Cook's coming out party. Also, Crumpler will probably get cut before this season starts.I'm sure I've pissed off a lot of folks who are wanting to get Cook cheap. I think most Cook owners are too smart to trade him for a 2nd rd rookie pick.

 

[gianmarco]

I think most Cook owners are too smart to trade him for a 2nd rd rookie pick.

Jared Cook seems to be a very important and influential person. It seems there are 2 populations of people.Cook owners are apparently a very smart bunch of people. They're too smart to trade him for a 2nd round pick.

Non-Cook owners apparently aren't very bright. They simply don't know what they are missing and are all going to regret not going after this guy.

Forget IQ tests. Just ask a person if they own Cook or not. That will determine how smart they are.

 

[JPeso]

I think most Cook owners are too smart to trade him for a 2nd rd rookie pick.

Cook owners are apparently a very smart bunch of people. They're too smart to trade him for a 2nd round pick.Non-Cook owners apparently aren't very bright. They simply don't know what they are missing and are all going to regret not going after this guy.

Well, the first step is realizing you are wrong (i.e. stupid in this case). Kudos to you!

 

[JohnnyU]

I think most Cook owners are too smart to trade him for a 2nd rd rookie pick.

Jared Cook seems to be a very important and influential person. It seems there are 2 populations of people.Cook owners are apparently a very smart bunch of people. They're too smart to trade him for a 2nd round pick.

Non-Cook owners apparently aren't very bright. They simply don't know what they are missing and are all going to regret not going after this guy.

Forget IQ tests. Just ask a person if they own Cook or not. That will determine how smart they are.

Do you have to be this way?

 

[RoyDubb]

I was comfortable going into 2010 with Cook as my TE... until this thread...

KIss of death for Cook owners. I still wont trade him as a throw-in any deal though.

 

[JohnnyU]

I was comfortable going into 2010 with Cook as my TE... until this thread...

KIss of death for Cook owners. I still wont trade him as a throw-in any deal though.

Only a kiss of death if you're not patient with him. It may take until 2011 for him to take off, but it could happen earlier.

 

[gianmarco]

I think most Cook owners are too smart to trade him for a 2nd rd rookie pick.

Jared Cook seems to be a very important and influential person. It seems there are 2 populations of people.Cook owners are apparently a very smart bunch of people. They're too smart to trade him for a 2nd round pick.

Non-Cook owners apparently aren't very bright. They simply don't know what they are missing and are all going to regret not going after this guy.

Forget IQ tests. Just ask a person if they own Cook or not. That will determine how smart they are.

Do you have to be this way?

I don't know, do you have to start a thread immediately after a trade rejection of mine including a quotation from an email just to call me out? Or is there really another purpose to this thread?

 

[JohnnyU]

I think most Cook owners are too smart to trade him for a 2nd rd rookie pick.

Jared Cook seems to be a very important and influential person. It seems there are 2 populations of people.Cook owners are apparently a very smart bunch of people. They're too smart to trade him for a 2nd round pick.

Non-Cook owners apparently aren't very bright. They simply don't know what they are missing and are all going to regret not going after this guy.

Forget IQ tests. Just ask a person if they own Cook or not. That will determine how smart they are.

Do you have to be this way?

I don't know, do you have to start a thread immediately after a trade rejection of mine including a quotation from an email just to call me out? Or is there really another purpose to this thread?

Your rejection just got me thinking about Cook's value. I wasn't going to mention you by name at all until you forced my hand.

 

[gianmarco]

Jared Cook seems to be a very important and influential person. It seems there are 2 populations of people.

Cook owners are apparently a very smart bunch of people. They're too smart to trade him for a 2nd round pick.

Non-Cook owners apparently aren't very bright. They simply don't know what they are missing and are all going to regret not going after this guy.

Forget IQ tests. Just ask a person if they own Cook or not. That will determine how smart they are.

Do you have to be this way?

I don't know, do you have to start a thread immediately after a trade rejection of mine including a quotation from an email just to call me out? Or is there really another purpose to this thread?

Your rejection just got me thinking about Cook's value. I wasn't going to mention you by name at all until you forced my hand.

If you say so. I think you already had a preconceived notion of Cook's value and just decided to come here and see if anyone else agreed with it. It's pretty obvious the majority don't. This is also not to mention that you asked for a 1st AND a 2nd round pick. You did fail to mention that tidbit. Oh, and a future 1st with higher upside than just 1.8-1.12 that you're claiming here.But, moreso than any of that it's quotes like this that might explain some of the "attitude" in this thread:

Here is one reaction I got on Cook. What this guy doesn't seem to know is that he probably can't buy Cook for a 1st by the time he's dwelling in Finley land.

"Sorry, I don't buy players at their projected worth. If I project him to be worth a future 1st and can get him for less then I'll do so. If he becomes worth a 1st and I want to get him, then I'll offer it up when he finally hits that value. If you want to keep him at that point, then so be it."

It's the implication that you seem to know more than me or others about future values of players and that I (or others) don't understand that concept. HTH.

 

[doowain]

I think most Cook owners are too smart to trade him for a 2nd rd rookie pick.

Jared Cook seems to be a very important and influential person. It seems there are 2 populations of people.Cook owners are apparently a very smart bunch of people. They're too smart to trade him for a 2nd round pick.

Non-Cook owners apparently aren't very bright. They simply don't know what they are missing and are all going to regret not going after this guy.

Forget IQ tests. Just ask a person if they own Cook or not. That will determine how smart they are.

Do you have to be this way?

I don't know, do you have to start a thread immediately after a trade rejection of mine including a quotation from an email just to call me out? Or is there really another purpose to this thread?

Your rejection just got me thinking about Cook's value. I wasn't going to mention you by name at all until you forced my hand.

If you own Cook in any leagues with JohnnyU you have to be salivating after reading this thread. Clear your inbox Johnny....the trades offers should come pouring in. Put your money where your mouth is and ship out a 1st rounder for him.

 

[finito]

I'm in a lot of dynasty leagues. I know not one Cook owner who wouldn't ship him for a 1st round pick. As mentioned earlier, there are a bunch of highly talented TEs in this year's draft that will go in the 2nd round. The Titans look like they're bringing back Scaife, and it' s not an offense in which several players will flourish in the passing game. Britt will get his, then it's going to be a cluster of guys getting a few hundred yards each. It is highly unlikely Cook is going to be anything close to Finley in the foreseeable future -- it's not that kind of offense and it is not that kind of QB. Cook has great natural ability. He has shown little of it thus far and the fact that Scaife is coming back has to downgrade him further. I would give a mid-2nd rounder for him maybe, that's about as high as I would go. I would sell for the same depending on my needs.

 

[MDSkinner]

Here is one reaction I got on Cook. What this guy doesn't seem to know is that he probably can't buy Cook for a 1st by the time he's dwelling in Finley land."Sorry, I don't buy players at their projected worth. If I project him to be worth a future 1st and can get him for less then I'll do so. If he becomes worth a 1st and I want to get him, then I'll offer it up when he finally hits that value. If you want to keep him at that point, then so be it."

"This guy" does seem to know that he can't buy him for a 1st at that time...........from you.You want to expect to be paid for POTENTIAL value, then that's fine. If you can get it, great for you. If you're so sure he's going to hit that potential, then why are you selling "low" to begin with? Wait until he's dwelling in Finley land if that's the case.

Since you're that guy I was referring to, I'll answer your last question. I also own Dallas Clark, Finley, Martellus Bennett, Jared Cook, and Dave Thomas. I thought I would deversify a little bit.

It seems to me that with your clearly high thoughts on Cook (which is perfectly reasonable) that you would be ahead to try and move one of your other TE's and get something of real value. If you really believe that Cook is a future stud then you certainly have the ability to move a current stud who you believe will fall off sooner or later in order to get another player of real value. No need to knock a guy that sees Cooks value as less than you do. You may be right, he may be just like Finley and have that sort of value at some point next year or the year after. Or he could be like one of the many other TE's who don't live up to that potential. I am guessing you agree with that assessment or you would not be trying to trade him in the first place. Not too many people want to trade a sure thing, especially not for a late first round rookie pick.

 

[Crippler]

Since I never seem to get search to work is there a 2009 or 2008 dynasty offseason trade thread like the one this year

 

[JohnnyU]

If you own Cook in any leagues with JohnnyU you have to be salivating after reading this thread. Clear your inbox Johnny....the trades offers should come pouring in. Put your money where your mouth is and ship out a 1st rounder for him.

That's mostly impossible since I own him in 7 of 8 leagues I'm in.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Yes Johnny, you are overvalueing himSo let's get this straight.You want a #1 one for Cook but wouldn't give up a #2 for Forte?So you wouldn't trade Forte for Cook straight up then.......that's crazy talk

Hell no I wouldn't take Forte for Cook, especially in a PPR league or a 1.5 PPR league which I also play in.

Wow, I might make an appointment at the hospital....you obviously have a blood clot to your brain....thinking jared cook....proving nothing.....is worth more than a player that has had 120 catches in two years.....oh yeah and rushed for about 2000 yards. lol

Let's see how much value Forte has while he's bringing Chester Taylor a drink of water.

Please name another time a 30 year old RB has come into a situation on a team and took over for a productive 24 yr old RB.Remember "what we learned" this year for RB's??? The new guys coming in didn't make a huge impact in regards to the current guy. Donald Brown came in...Addai was still productive....etc. But its not a rookie coming in...its a 30 year old RB.

 

[gianmarco]

Yes Johnny, you are overvalueing himSo let's get this straight.You want a #1 one for Cook but wouldn't give up a #2 for Forte?So you wouldn't trade Forte for Cook straight up then.......that's crazy talk

Hell no I wouldn't take Forte for Cook, especially in a PPR league or a 1.5 PPR league which I also play in.

Wow, I might make an appointment at the hospital....you obviously have a blood clot to your brain....thinking jared cook....proving nothing.....is worth more than a player that has had 120 catches in two years.....oh yeah and rushed for about 2000 yards. lol

Let's see how much value Forte has while he's bringing Chester Taylor a drink of water.

Please name another time a 30 year old RB has come into a situation on a team and took over for a productive 24 yr old RB.Remember "what we learned" this year for RB's??? The new guys coming in didn't make a huge impact in regards to the current guy. Donald Brown came in...Addai was still productive....etc. But its not a rookie coming in...its a 30 year old RB.

Is 29 years old close enough? If so, his name is Fred Jackson.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Is 29 years old close enough? If so, his name is Fred Jackson.

Good point....I feel that the suspension makes it a different case...also that Lynch is a knucklehead(Forte doesn't even drink)....and Forte has been more productive.But I give credit when its due....not a bad point sir.Either way.....most are going too far in one direction in this case.

 

[Holy Roller]

This thread is a microcosm of the vast majority of trade talks I have had over the years in various leagues. Nine times out of ten, owners value their own players more than other owners are willing to give in trade. I'm sure I do the same. Cook is a prime example---he's on my roster in one TE-heavy league and I wouldn't part with him for less than a middle to late first (TE's have 1.5 ppr compared with less for WR's and RB's, and you can start up to 4). Of course in another league I am in where I DON'T own Cook (very similar format) I wouldn't offer more than an early 2nd at this point. Obviously there are other factors I'm considering in each league: the rest of my rosters, whether or not I am playing for now or rebuilding, etc. But the reality remains that it would take more for me to unload him than what I would offer in another similar league. Classic owner-induced overvaluing.

 

[doowain]

If you own Cook in any leagues with JohnnyU you have to be salivating after reading this thread. Clear your inbox Johnny....the trades offers should come pouring in. Put your money where your mouth is and ship out a 1st rounder for him.

That's mostly impossible since I own him in 7 of 8 leagues I'm in.

NOW I get the point of this thread. Thank you.

 

[JohnnyU]

If you own Cook in any leagues with JohnnyU you have to be salivating after reading this thread. Clear your inbox Johnny....the trades offers should come pouring in. Put your money where your mouth is and ship out a 1st rounder for him.

That's mostly impossible since I own him in 7 of 8 leagues I'm in.

NOW I get the point of this thread. Thank you.

I owned Finley in 6 of 8 leagues this time last year too.

 

[MDSkinner]

If you own Cook in any leagues with JohnnyU you have to be salivating after reading this thread. Clear your inbox Johnny....the trades offers should come pouring in. Put your money where your mouth is and ship out a 1st rounder for him.

That's mostly impossible since I own him in 7 of 8 leagues I'm in.

NOW I get the point of this thread. Thank you.

I owned Finley in 6 of 8 leagues this time last year too.

How many of those leagues did you trade him in, and what did you get in return (if that is OK to ask, and seems pertinent for the discussion of this thread)?

 

[doowain]

If you own Cook in any leagues with JohnnyU you have to be salivating after reading this thread. Clear your inbox Johnny....the trades offers should come pouring in. Put your money where your mouth is and ship out a 1st rounder for him.

That's mostly impossible since I own him in 7 of 8 leagues I'm in.

NOW I get the point of this thread. Thank you.

I owned Finley in 6 of 8 leagues this time last year too.

You lost me again.Finley has nothing to do with the value of Cook. You can't project value onto another player based solely on the success of another player. Not to mention, these two players' situations aren't even close to the same.It's obvious to me that you only see your side in this discussion, so I'll leave it at that.

 

[Multiple Scores]

I'm confused why this thread is so long for a guy with 74 yards, 0 TDS in 14 games played. I guess this guy gets a post per yard, I'll go start the 2006 post Chris Johnson thread. This thread sounds more like sour grapes from Johnny U. 26 of the 83 posts so far. If every poster had a thread like this this forum would suck eggs.

 

[JohnnyU]

I'm confused why this thread is so long for a guy with 74 yards, 0 TDS in 14 games played. I guess this guy gets a post per yard, I'll go start the 2006 post Chris Johnson thread. This thread sounds more like sour grapes from Johnny U. 26 of the 83 posts so far. If every poster had a thread like this this forum would suck eggs.

Yeah, I guess it's more interesting to talk about Chris Johnson some more, my bad.

 

[Truman]

I don't think there are too many people that don't think Cook will be a stud.

I assume you mean other than the roughly 25 NFL teams that passed on him three times?

Finley was drafted with the 28th pick of the 3rd round.

Who was giving a first for Finley a year ago?

Exactly my point, and who is getting him for a late first now?

You're willing to give up a first now for a guy you think will turn into Finley? You have Finley on your roster, why not just trade him? You know someone will overpay.

 

[JohnnyU]

You're willing to give up a first now for a guy you think will turn into Finley? You have Finley on your roster, why not just trade him? You know someone will overpay.

In the OP I'm mostly talking about those acquiring Cook, not selling him. I later mentioned a trade offer I made because I have a lot of TEs, but that's not the reason for this thread. I created this thread for the purpose of talking about Cook's dynasty value, and it is my opinion that he's a definite buy, even at a late 1st round pick before his value looks like Finley's does today. No one is going to get Finley today for a 1.12, not in a ppr or 1.5 ppr for te league. Obviously I'm going against the norm and it grates at the very soul of those who feel they have to buy either at face value, or more importantly at less than face value.

 

[B. Nugget]

You're willing to give up a first now for a guy you think will turn into Finley? You have Finley on your roster, why not just trade him? You know someone will overpay.

In the OP I'm mostly talking about those acquiring Cook, not selling him. I later mentioned a trade offer I made because I have a lot of TEs, but that's not the reason for this thread. I created this thread for the purpose of talking about Cook's dynasty value, and it is my opinion that he's a definite buy, even at a late 1st round pick before his value looks like Finley's does today. No one is going to get Finley today for a 1.12, not in a ppr or 1.5 ppr for te league. Obviously I'm going against the norm and it grates at the very soul of those who feel they have to buy either at face value, or more importantly at less than face value.

Just curious, what is the current value of Finley? You keep comparing Cook to him, what kind of offers are you getting for Finley? What would it take for you to move Finley?

 

[JPeso]

You're willing to give up a first now for a guy you think will turn into Finley? You have Finley on your roster, why not just trade him? You know someone will overpay.

In the OP I'm mostly talking about those acquiring Cook, not selling him. I later mentioned a trade offer I made because I have a lot of TEs, but that's not the reason for this thread. I created this thread for the purpose of talking about Cook's dynasty value, and it is my opinion that he's a definite buy, even at a late 1st round pick before his value looks like Finley's does today. No one is going to get Finley today for a 1.12, not in a ppr or 1.5 ppr for te league. Obviously I'm going against the norm and it grates at the very soul of those who feel they have to buy either at face value, or more importantly at less than face value.

Just curious, what is the current value of Finley? You keep comparing Cook to him, what kind of offers are you getting for Finley? What would it take for you to move Finley?

Well, Cook = Finley after all. What one will pay for Finley should be what one should pay for Cook.

 

[Truman]

You're willing to give up a first now for a guy you think will turn into Finley? You have Finley on your roster, why not just trade him? You know someone will overpay.

In the OP I'm mostly talking about those acquiring Cook, not selling him. I later mentioned a trade offer I made because I have a lot of TEs, but that's not the reason for this thread. I created this thread for the purpose of talking about Cook's dynasty value, and it is my opinion that he's a definite buy, even at a late 1st round pick before his value looks like Finley's does today. No one is going to get Finley today for a 1.12, not in a ppr or 1.5 ppr for te league. Obviously I'm going against the norm and it grates at the very soul of those who feel they have to buy either at face value, or more importantly at less than face value.

I don't see how it makes sense to sell Cook if you think his value is about to skyrocket. Not sure how that will happen either with him playing second string - as that becomes clear over the offseason look for his stock to drop further. At 1.08 I can probably get Jermaine Gresham, who is almost a lock to land in a better situation than Cook is in, playing behind a mediocre veteran on a run first team.

 

[JohnnyU]

You're willing to give up a first now for a guy you think will turn into Finley? You have Finley on your roster, why not just trade him? You know someone will overpay.

In the OP I'm mostly talking about those acquiring Cook, not selling him. I later mentioned a trade offer I made because I have a lot of TEs, but that's not the reason for this thread. I created this thread for the purpose of talking about Cook's dynasty value, and it is my opinion that he's a definite buy, even at a late 1st round pick before his value looks like Finley's does today. No one is going to get Finley today for a 1.12, not in a ppr or 1.5 ppr for te league. Obviously I'm going against the norm and it grates at the very soul of those who feel they have to buy either at face value, or more importantly at less than face value.

Just curious, what is the current value of Finley? You keep comparing Cook to him, what kind of offers are you getting for Finley? What would it take for you to move Finley?

Finley is worth a lot more than Cook obviously, but that wasn't the case this time last year. Same goes for Vernon Davis. This is about obtaining guys before they become Finley or Davis, and even paying above face value to do it. Of course that's a big no no in the Shark Pool because you must always buy low and sell high.

 

[B. Nugget]

You're willing to give up a first now for a guy you think will turn into Finley? You have Finley on your roster, why not just trade him? You know someone will overpay.

In the OP I'm mostly talking about those acquiring Cook, not selling him. I later mentioned a trade offer I made because I have a lot of TEs, but that's not the reason for this thread. I created this thread for the purpose of talking about Cook's dynasty value, and it is my opinion that he's a definite buy, even at a late 1st round pick before his value looks like Finley's does today. No one is going to get Finley today for a 1.12, not in a ppr or 1.5 ppr for te league. Obviously I'm going against the norm and it grates at the very soul of those who feel they have to buy either at face value, or more importantly at less than face value.

Just curious, what is the current value of Finley? You keep comparing Cook to him, what kind of offers are you getting for Finley? What would it take for you to move Finley?

Well, Cook = Finley after all. What one will pay for Finley should be what one should pay for Cook.

That is my point really...if you are supposed to give up at a late 1st (let's say 1.11) now for Cook to get him before he breaks out, but Finley is worth 1.07-1.09 or something similar right now after breaking out, that is a pretty big gamble for not a whole lot of return value.

 

[JohnnyU]

You're willing to give up a first now for a guy you think will turn into Finley? You have Finley on your roster, why not just trade him? You know someone will overpay.

In the OP I'm mostly talking about those acquiring Cook, not selling him. I later mentioned a trade offer I made because I have a lot of TEs, but that's not the reason for this thread. I created this thread for the purpose of talking about Cook's dynasty value, and it is my opinion that he's a definite buy, even at a late 1st round pick before his value looks like Finley's does today. No one is going to get Finley today for a 1.12, not in a ppr or 1.5 ppr for te league. Obviously I'm going against the norm and it grates at the very soul of those who feel they have to buy either at face value, or more importantly at less than face value.

I don't see how it makes sense to sell Cook if you think his value is about to skyrocket. Not sure how that will happen either with him playing second string - as that becomes clear over the offseason look for his stock to drop further. At 1.08 I can probably get Jermaine Gresham, who is almost a lock to land in a better situation than Cook is in, playing behind a mediocre veteran on a run first team.

I never said it was a good idea to sell Cook, unless you're getting at least a late 1st rd rookie pick. Who's to say that Jermain Gresham will land in a good spot? Did Martellus Bennett land in a good spot? When you said Cook, "playing behind a mediocre veteran", well, you have to have more foresight than that in dynasty leagues. Finley was also playing behind Donald Lee this time last year.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Johnny U, didn't you pimp Cook last year and say he'd be the ROY and to bank on it, mark it down or say he'd be an utter beast last season? Isn't Bo Scaife still there? Why is this the year and last year wasn't the year? What has changed? I'm not seeing it, sorry.

 

[JohnnyU]

You're willing to give up a first now for a guy you think will turn into Finley? You have Finley on your roster, why not just trade him? You know someone will overpay.

In the OP I'm mostly talking about those acquiring Cook, not selling him. I later mentioned a trade offer I made because I have a lot of TEs, but that's not the reason for this thread. I created this thread for the purpose of talking about Cook's dynasty value, and it is my opinion that he's a definite buy, even at a late 1st round pick before his value looks like Finley's does today. No one is going to get Finley today for a 1.12, not in a ppr or 1.5 ppr for te league. Obviously I'm going against the norm and it grates at the very soul of those who feel they have to buy either at face value, or more importantly at less than face value.

Just curious, what is the current value of Finley? You keep comparing Cook to him, what kind of offers are you getting for Finley? What would it take for you to move Finley?

Well, Cook = Finley after all. What one will pay for Finley should be what one should pay for Cook.

That is my point really...if you are supposed to give up at a late 1st (let's say 1.11) now for Cook to get him before he breaks out, but Finley is worth 1.07-1.09 or something similar right now after breaking out, that is a pretty big gamble for not a whole lot of return value.

Finley is worth a top 3 rookie pick in a PPR league and more than that in a 1.5 PPR for TEs only league.

 

[JohnnyU]

Johnny U, didn't you pimp Cook last year and say he'd be the ROY and to bank on it, mark it down or say he'd be an utter beast last season? Isn't Bo Scaife still there? Why is this the year and last year wasn't the year? What has changed? I'm not seeing it, sorry.

I don't remember exactly what I said, or his time table, but it's not like I'm always right. We're all wrong from time to time. I still hold that Cook will be a stud. He was very good in the preseason last year then he got hurt. Those making statements like, "he hasn't done anything yet", are going to miss the boat on Cook in my opinion. He simply hasn't had his shot yet. Most here know this.

 

[doowain]

Let me summarize:

Aaron Rodgers > Vince Young

Green Bay Passing Offense > Tennessee Passing Offense

Jermichael Finley > Jared Cook

1st rounder > Jared Cook

/Thread

 

[finito]

Johnny U, didn't you pimp Cook last year and say he'd be the ROY and to bank on it, mark it down or say he'd be an utter beast last season? Isn't Bo Scaife still there? Why is this the year and last year wasn't the year? What has changed? I'm not seeing it, sorry.

I don't remember exactly what I said, or his time table, but it's not like I'm always right. We're all wrong from time to time. I still hold that Cook will be a stud. He was very good in the preseason last year then he got hurt. Those making statements like, "he hasn't done anything yet", are going to miss the boat on Cook in my opinion. He simply hasn't had his shot yet. Most here know this.

Why would they bring back Scaife? I'm not suggesting Cook won't be great, I'm just not sure why they would bring back Scaife if they were that confident that Cook is going to break out. IIRC Scaife will be paid almost $5 this year. Seems like they would want Scaife involved if they're paying him that, and how much production can we truly expect from Cook in that offense if he's splitting time with another TE?

 

[Multiple Scores]

Johnny U, didn't you pimp Cook last year and say he'd be the ROY and to bank on it, mark it down or say he'd be an utter beast last season? Isn't Bo Scaife still there? Why is this the year and last year wasn't the year? What has changed? I'm not seeing it, sorry.

I don't remember exactly what I said, or his time table, but it's not like I'm always right. We're all wrong from time to time. I still hold that Cook will be a stud. He was very good in the preseason last year then he got hurt. Those making statements like, "he hasn't done anything yet", are going to miss the boat on Cook in my opinion. He simply hasn't had his shot yet. Most here know this.

You're the same guy that posted that Crabtree would be a total flop in the NFL and posted "articles" that were just random postings from people on message boards, wasn't the poster named "Big Guy" or something? If I recall you posted at least 100 times how horrible Crabtree would be and went on and on and on to the point of being a broken record.