Jared from Subway got what he deserved (1 Viewer)

[dhockster]

Child porn or not, if the reports about him being the porn king in college, he's likely still got a fair share of it. I doubt subway would stick with a spokesperson who owns a ton of adult porn, especially if it's public.

yea, no doubt.

and herein lies the problem with lots of porn surfing.

You clicked on some link 8 months ago that turns out to be suspect..you are now guilty of searching for that.

My wife is still adamant that i have a crazy asian fetish cause 4 years ago she saw asian gallery i must have clicked on.

It becomes a sore subject when i bring up getting Chinese for dinner.

"Hey Honey, how about some Kung Pao tonight?"

"Oh, right, all you want to do is bang Asian chicks!!! I know what I saw 4 years ago!!!!"

 

[Rayderr]

Child porn watchers are a pretty hard group to defend.

If it turns out that Jared is indeed one of them, I doubt anyone will be defending him besides his lawyer.

 

[Hang 10]

"I'm outraged by Jared's lust for middle school girls." said one upset individual. "I'll never eat at subway again! Now if you excuse me, I have a Roman Polanski film to watch."

You talking about Tim?

 

[BowieMercs]

There is a special place in hell for pedophiles and purveyors of kiddie porn. I hear the same applies in our correctional facilities.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Child porn watchers are a pretty hard group to defend.

You can't defend the act, but you can defend the person.

I think the guy who watches kiddie porn probably has a mental deficiency/illness that makes that stuff sexually attractive to him - something is not wired right. Now, they know its wrong, but can't fight their primal urges, nor do they feel comfortable talking to a doctor about those kinds of urges in an effort to get treatment - like they would for most mental illnesses.

Now, the person who makes/films kiddie porn - I have no problem throwing away that key. For people who are distributors - kind of in the middle, but closer to the person making it in the first place - more exploiters than people who can't fight their own urges.

If the rumors of Jared's college "library" are true, and he is a distributor of kiddie porn, he probably fits in the 2nd category - but we have a ways to go to get to that point. I would guess that the FBI is not going to find kiddie porn on the servers, but if the servers were used in the past to distribute kiddie porn, there may be some markers to tie the servers to the porn - and then it becomes testimony from the first guy that it was Jared's porn. That alone, assuming Jared has good lawyers, probably is not enough for a conviction, but he is going to have to get fat again so nobody recognizes him...

 

[Hang 10]

Child porn watchers are a pretty hard group to defend.

You can't defend the act, but you can defend the person.

I think the guy who watches kiddie porn probably has a mental deficiency/illness that makes that stuff sexually attractive to him - something is not wired right. Now, they know its wrong, but can't fight their primal urges, nor do they feel comfortable talking to a doctor about those kinds of urges in an effort to get treatment - like they would for most mental illnesses.

Now, the person who makes/films kiddie porn - I have no problem throwing away that key. For people who are distributors - kind of in the middle, but closer to the person making it in the first place - more exploiters than people who can't fight their own urges.

If the rumors of Jared's college "library" are true, and he is a distributor of kiddie porn, he probably fits in the 2nd category - but we have a ways to go to get to that point. I would guess that the FBI is not going to find kiddie porn on the servers, but if the servers were used in the past to distribute kiddie porn, there may be some markers to tie the servers to the porn - and then it becomes testimony from the first guy that it was Jared's porn. That alone, assuming Jared has good lawyers, probably is not enough for a conviction, but he is going to have to get fat again so nobody recognizes him...

People who watch that garbage encourage and support people who make and distribute it. I don't see a whole lotta difference between the two.

 

[johnnycakes]

Child porn watchers are a pretty hard group to defend.

You can't defend the act, but you can defend the person.

I think the guy who watches kiddie porn probably has a mental deficiency/illness that makes that stuff sexually attractive to him - something is not wired right. Now, they know its wrong, but can't fight their primal urges, nor do they feel comfortable talking to a doctor about those kinds of urges in an effort to get treatment - like they would for most mental illnesses.

Now, the person who makes/films kiddie porn - I have no problem throwing away that key. For people who are distributors - kind of in the middle, but closer to the person making it in the first place - more exploiters than people who can't fight their own urges.

If the rumors of Jared's college "library" are true, and he is a distributor of kiddie porn, he probably fits in the 2nd category - but we have a ways to go to get to that point. I would guess that the FBI is not going to find kiddie porn on the servers, but if the servers were used in the past to distribute kiddie porn, there may be some markers to tie the servers to the porn - and then it becomes testimony from the first guy that it was Jared's porn. That alone, assuming Jared has good lawyers, probably is not enough for a conviction, but he is going to have to get fat again so nobody recognizes him...

See, and that's where it will get really interesting. From what I've heard, his friend, the guy who ran his charitable foundation, was a filmer - a maker of kiddie pron - on his own premises. At least that is what has been alleged if I understand the case correctly. If pron is found in Jared's possession - especially if he has a lot of it that originated with that friend - its going to really stretch the imagination that he wasn't also involved in production too. So we shall see.

It certainly is a great release to vent all my life's frustrations out on one poor sap who is the news, though, I'll grant you that.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

This is starting to sound like that Bob Crane movie, but worse.

 

[cstu]

"I like my girls the way I like my subs - 12 and wrapped in plastic."

 

[Sinn Fein]

Child porn watchers are a pretty hard group to defend.

You can't defend the act, but you can defend the person.

I think the guy who watches kiddie porn probably has a mental deficiency/illness that makes that stuff sexually attractive to him - something is not wired right. Now, they know its wrong, but can't fight their primal urges, nor do they feel comfortable talking to a doctor about those kinds of urges in an effort to get treatment - like they would for most mental illnesses.

Now, the person who makes/films kiddie porn - I have no problem throwing away that key. For people who are distributors - kind of in the middle, but closer to the person making it in the first place - more exploiters than people who can't fight their own urges.

If the rumors of Jared's college "library" are true, and he is a distributor of kiddie porn, he probably fits in the 2nd category - but we have a ways to go to get to that point. I would guess that the FBI is not going to find kiddie porn on the servers, but if the servers were used in the past to distribute kiddie porn, there may be some markers to tie the servers to the porn - and then it becomes testimony from the first guy that it was Jared's porn. That alone, assuming Jared has good lawyers, probably is not enough for a conviction, but he is going to have to get fat again so nobody recognizes him...

People who watch that garbage encourage and support people who make and distribute it. I don't see a whole lotta difference between the two.

I understand that perspective, but I think its more akin to blaming the drug addict the same as the Colombian drug lord who imports 100 kilos into the US - I mean he only imports because the drug addict is demanding the product...*

*in full disclosure, I think drugs should be legal - I do not think kiddie porn should be legal.

 

[culdeus]

I don't get why anyone would ever want to warehouse porn on their own HD anymore unless it was the illegal kind. What's the upside there?

the hamster and tube sites basically put the entire world's back catalog on display for you and they as a rule basically hard screen anyone that even looks like they might be under 21 even off the site.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Child porn watchers are a pretty hard group to defend.

You can't defend the act, but you can defend the person.

I think the guy who watches kiddie porn probably has a mental deficiency/illness that makes that stuff sexually attractive to him - something is not wired right. Now, they know its wrong, but can't fight their primal urges, nor do they feel comfortable talking to a doctor about those kinds of urges in an effort to get treatment - like they would for most mental illnesses.

Now, the person who makes/films kiddie porn - I have no problem throwing away that key. For people who are distributors - kind of in the middle, but closer to the person making it in the first place - more exploiters than people who can't fight their own urges.

If the rumors of Jared's college "library" are true, and he is a distributor of kiddie porn, he probably fits in the 2nd category - but we have a ways to go to get to that point. I would guess that the FBI is not going to find kiddie porn on the servers, but if the servers were used in the past to distribute kiddie porn, there may be some markers to tie the servers to the porn - and then it becomes testimony from the first guy that it was Jared's porn. That alone, assuming Jared has good lawyers, probably is not enough for a conviction, but he is going to have to get fat again so nobody recognizes him...

See, and that's where it will get really interesting. From what I've heard, his friend, the guy who ran his charitable foundation, was a filmer - a maker of kiddie pron - on his own premises. At least that is what has been alleged if I understand the case correctly. If pron is found in Jared's possession - especially if he has a lot of it that originated with that friend - its going to really stretch the imagination that he wasn't also involved in production too. So we shall see.

It certainly is a great release to vent all my life's frustrations out on one poor sap who is the news, though, I'll grant you that.

yeah, there does seem to be an amazing coincidence that a man with a purported huge porn library, ends up hiring an alleged child pornographer to lead his foundation - wonder how they met?

 

[Willie Neslon]

Wow, everyone here is quick to condemn. I'm not saying he is innocent but from what I've read it was only his business partner that was being investigated. Raiding Jared's home was just part of the FBI process for fully investigating all leads.

If I was accused of something as heinous as that and I was innocent, I would come out right away and say something. His silence speaks volumes. I'm not saying he's for sure guilty but you'd think with his life at stake here he'd come out right away with an explanation.

Ether his silence speaks volumes or maybe he simply has never given much thought about how to handle a scandal in his life. Probably one of those two.

Maybe you have thought a lot about how to handle a scandal in your own life but that doesn't mean everyone has.

My point is if there is no scandal then you say something. You're already referring to it as a scandal because he's gone into hiding.

 

[Willie Neslon]

Scenario 1

Jared: "...."

Willie: "He's not saying anything! That must mean he's guilty!"

Scenario 2

Jared: "I am no way involved in child porn."

Willie: "No innocent man would protest like that. He must be guilty!"

If detectives came into your office, charged you with a murder you had absolutely nothing to do with and escorted you out, you wouldn't say anything to anyone in the office as you were being taken away? You'd just put your head down and silently walk out?

 

[johnnycakes]

Scenario 1

Jared: "...."

Willie: "He's not saying anything! That must mean he's guilty!"

Scenario 2

Jared: "I am no way involved in child porn."

Willie: "No innocent man would protest like that. He must be guilty!"

If detectives came into your office, charged you with a murder you had absolutely nothing to do with and escorted you out, you wouldn't say anything to anyone in the office as you were being taken away? You'd just put your head down and silently walk out?

What did Aaron Hernandez do?

 

[Willie Neslon]

Scenario 1

Jared: "...."

Willie: "He's not saying anything! That must mean he's guilty!"

Scenario 2

Jared: "I am no way involved in child porn."

Willie: "No innocent man would protest like that. He must be guilty!"

If detectives came into your office, charged you with a murder you had absolutely nothing to do with and escorted you out, you wouldn't say anything to anyone in the office as you were being taken away? You'd just put your head down and silently walk out?

What did Aaron Hernandez do?

He killed people.

 

[Rayderr]

Scenario 1

Jared: "...."

Willie: "He's not saying anything! That must mean he's guilty!"

Scenario 2

Jared: "I am no way involved in child porn."

Willie: "No innocent man would protest like that. He must be guilty!"

If detectives came into your office, charged you with a murder you had absolutely nothing to do with and escorted you out, you wouldn't say anything to anyone in the office as you were being taken away? You'd just put your head down and silently walk out?

1. Jared hasn't been charged with anything let alone murder, and it certainly wasn't at his place of work.

2. My life is no where near as public as Jared's.

3. I'd most likely be confused as hell and look the part, but would cooperate fully with the police.

 

[johnnycakes]

Scenario 1

Jared: "...."

Willie: "He's not saying anything! That must mean he's guilty!"

Scenario 2

Jared: "I am no way involved in child porn."

Willie: "No innocent man would protest like that. He must be guilty!"

If detectives came into your office, charged you with a murder you had absolutely nothing to do with and escorted you out, you wouldn't say anything to anyone in the office as you were being taken away? You'd just put your head down and silently walk out?

What did Aaron Hernandez do?

He killed people.

yeah, but did he say anything to anyone as he was being escorted out, or did he put his head down and silently walk out? Whichever Aaron did... that's what a guilty person does.

 

[Rayderr]

Scenario 1

Jared: "...."

Willie: "He's not saying anything! That must mean he's guilty!"

Scenario 2

Jared: "I am no way involved in child porn."

Willie: "No innocent man would protest like that. He must be guilty!"

If detectives came into your office, charged you with a murder you had absolutely nothing to do with and escorted you out, you wouldn't say anything to anyone in the office as you were being taken away? You'd just put your head down and silently walk out?

What did Aaron Hernandez do?

He killed people.

yeah, but did he say anything to anyone as he was being escorted out, or did he put his head down and silently walk out? Whichever Aaron did... that's what a guilty person does.

Jared hasn't been "escorted out" yet.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

"I like my girls the way I like my subs - 12 and wrapped in plastic."

"and hold the pickle"

 

[Cjw_55106]

"I like my girls the way I like my subs - 12 and wrapped in plastic."

"and hold the pickle"

Oh I get it, kiddie porn jokes. Those are hilarious.

- No one ever

 

[Green and Gold]

Scenario 1

Jared: "...."

Willie: "He's not saying anything! That must mean he's guilty!"

Scenario 2

Jared: "I am no way involved in child porn."

Willie: "No innocent man would protest like that. He must be guilty!"

If detectives came into your office, charged you with a murder you had absolutely nothing to do with and escorted you out, you wouldn't say anything to anyone in the office as you were being taken away? You'd just put your head down and silently walk out?

Or they could be completely in shock and walk out in a daze. People act differently when put under unexpected stress, and you can't always predict how you yourself will react.

 

[Willie Neslon]

Scenario 1

Jared: "...."

Willie: "He's not saying anything! That must mean he's guilty!"

Scenario 2

Jared: "I am no way involved in child porn."

Willie: "No innocent man would protest like that. He must be guilty!"

If detectives came into your office, charged you with a murder you had absolutely nothing to do with and escorted you out, you wouldn't say anything to anyone in the office as you were being taken away? You'd just put your head down and silently walk out?

Or they could be completely in shock and walk out in a daze. People act differently when put under unexpected stress, and you can't always predict how you yourself will react.

He's had two days to react. Yes, you keep your mouth shut and let the lawyers and PR experts handle everything if in fact you are in the middle of a scandal. If you had nothing to do with it, you'd say so. It reminds me of the guy the FBI called a prime suspect in those anthrax by mail attacks. He came out right away and denied it. Said he had nothing to do with it. He ended up losing his job anyway but angrily denying you had anything to do with it is what an innocent person would do. The initial shock is going to wear off quickly when you realize you're fighting for you life. Then you have Bill Cosby who doesn't address his charges in anyway (except for that bizarre interview months later). Why? Because he did it.

 

[Rayderr]

Scenario 1

Jared: "...."

Willie: "He's not saying anything! That must mean he's guilty!"

Scenario 2

Jared: "I am no way involved in child porn."

Willie: "No innocent man would protest like that. He must be guilty!"

If detectives came into your office, charged you with a murder you had absolutely nothing to do with and escorted you out, you wouldn't say anything to anyone in the office as you were being taken away? You'd just put your head down and silently walk out?

Or they could be completely in shock and walk out in a daze. People act differently when put under unexpected stress, and you can't always predict how you yourself will react.

He's had two days to react. Yes, you keep your mouth shut and let the lawyers and PR experts handle everything if in fact you are in the middle of a scandal. If you had nothing to do with it, you'd say so. It reminds me of the guy the FBI called a prime suspect in those anthrax by mail attacks. He came out right away and denied it. Said he had nothing to do with it. He ended up losing his job anyway but angrily denying you had anything to do with it is what an innocent person would do. The initial shock is going to wear off quickly when you realize you're fighting for you life. Then you have Bill Cosby who doesn't address his charges in anyway (except for that bizarre interview months later). Why? Because he did it.

This seems to be contradictory. And believe it or not, most guilty people proclaim their innocence.

 

[Zow]

Willie just step away from the keyboard.

 

[Cjw_55106]

It seems like the odds of Willie being correct about Jared's guilt are pretty high. That being said, why are you (willie) so determined to vilify him without knowing for sure?

 

[Willie Neslon]

Scenario 1

Jared: "...."

Willie: "He's not saying anything! That must mean he's guilty!"

Scenario 2

Jared: "I am no way involved in child porn."

Willie: "No innocent man would protest like that. He must be guilty!"

If detectives came into your office, charged you with a murder you had absolutely nothing to do with and escorted you out, you wouldn't say anything to anyone in the office as you were being taken away? You'd just put your head down and silently walk out?

Or they could be completely in shock and walk out in a daze. People act differently when put under unexpected stress, and you can't always predict how you yourself will react.

He's had two days to react. Yes, you keep your mouth shut and let the lawyers and PR experts handle everything if in fact you are in the middle of a scandal. If you had nothing to do with it, you'd say so. It reminds me of the guy the FBI called a prime suspect in those anthrax by mail attacks. He came out right away and denied it. Said he had nothing to do with it. He ended up losing his job anyway but angrily denying you had anything to do with it is what an innocent person would do. The initial shock is going to wear off quickly when you realize you're fighting for you life. Then you have Bill Cosby who doesn't address his charges in anyway (except for that bizarre interview months later). Why? Because he did it.

This seems to be contradictory. And believe it or not, most guilty people proclaim their innocence.

I'm saying if you did something wrong, you let the pros fix it. If you didn't, it's not going to takes months to build a pr strategy out of a mess that you have no involvement in.

 

[Willie Neslon]

Willie just step away from the keyboard.

I will not. If I'm accused of something I had nothing to do with, I'm ignoring advice of council and taking the stand. (Yes, I'm aware Jared hasn't been charged with anything.)

 

[Willie Neslon]

It seems like the odds of Willie being correct about Jared's guilt are pretty high. That being said, why are you (willie) so determined to vilify him without knowing for sure?

I'm not vilifying anyone. I'm questioning his behavior in the face of a child porn investigation.

 

[Zow]

It seems like the odds of Willie being correct about Jared's guilt are pretty high. That being said, why are you (willie) so determined to vilify him without knowing for sure?

I'm not vilifying anyone. I'm questioning his behavior in the face of a child porn investigation.

Okay, Glenn Beck.

 

[Willie Neslon]

Scenario 1

Jared: "...."

Willie: "He's not saying anything! That must mean he's guilty!"

Scenario 2

Jared: "I am no way involved in child porn."

Willie: "No innocent man would protest like that. He must be guilty!"

If detectives came into your office, charged you with a murder you had absolutely nothing to do with and escorted you out, you wouldn't say anything to anyone in the office as you were being taken away? You'd just put your head down and silently walk out?

What did Aaron Hernandez do?

He killed people.

yeah, but did he say anything to anyone as he was being escorted out, or did he put his head down and silently walk out? Whichever Aaron did... that's what a guilty person does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-VTveJN-jU

 

[Willie Neslon]

It seems like the odds of Willie being correct about Jared's guilt are pretty high. That being said, why are you (willie) so determined to vilify him without knowing for sure?

I'm not vilifying anyone. I'm questioning his behavior in the face of a child porn investigation.

Okay, Glenn Beck.

We don't know that he did anything only that he's acting like he could have. Hard to believe that a man who makes millions of dollars per year on his image would go silent if he was 100% not involved with what is being investigated.

 

[culdeus]

Why are we owed a statement from a celebrity that is part of an investigation? Give this up.

 

[Willie Neslon]

Why are we owed a statement from a celebrity that is part of an investigation? Give this up.

We're not owed anything. I'm talking about his perspective.

 

[Cjw_55106]

Why are we owed a statement from a celebrity that is part of an investigation? Give this up.

We're not owed anything. I'm talking about his perspective.

You have no clue what his perspective is.

 

[Willie Neslon]

Why are we owed a statement from a celebrity that is part of an investigation? Give this up.

We're not owed anything. I'm talking about his perspective.

You have no clue what his perspective is.

Exactly.

 

[johnnycakes]

Scenario 1

Jared: "...."

Willie: "He's not saying anything! That must mean he's guilty!"

Scenario 2

Jared: "I am no way involved in child porn."

Willie: "No innocent man would protest like that. He must be guilty!"

If detectives came into your office, charged you with a murder you had absolutely nothing to do with and escorted you out, you wouldn't say anything to anyone in the office as you were being taken away? You'd just put your head down and silently walk out?

What did Aaron Hernandez do?

He killed people.

yeah, but did he say anything to anyone as he was being escorted out, or did he put his head down and silently walk out? Whichever Aaron did... that's what a guilty person does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-VTveJN-jU

He put his head down and quietly walked out. Just like jared.

 

[Spin]

Innocent until proven guilty... unless you're a celebratory... in which case any non-action, that the public thinks you should have done, proves guilt.

 

[Chaka]

Why are we owed a statement from a celebrity that is part of an investigation? Give this up.

We're not owed anything. I'm talking about his perspective.

We know, and yours if flawed.

 

[Ilov80s]

Not sure how I missed this. Jared is a pedophile? Gives new meaning to "eat fresh".

 

[Willie Neslon]

Why are we owed a statement from a celebrity that is part of an investigation? Give this up.

We're not owed anything. I'm talking about his perspective.

We know, and yours if flawed.

Then so is Subway's. How dare they remove his image from their stores and website. He hasn't even been charged with a crime. Guilty until proven innocent I guess.

 

[BowieMercs]

What Would JoePa/Jerry Sandusky do?

 

[Hang 10]

Willy, he's probably guilty but whether he makes a statement not isn't a great indicator of anything. Just stop.

 

[kutta]

I'm not sure why everyone is getting on Willie (that sounds bad...).

I agree that Jared is acting the part of guilty right now. It's been a couple days and there has been nothing from him and his camp. If he was 100% innocent, this seems like something that could be cleared up really quickly and easily.

Time will tell, and I don't think anyone is saying with certainty that he is guilty, but if I was able to place a wager, I'd bet a pretty big amount on the come (again, that sounds bad...).

 

[Willie Neslon]

Willy, he's probably guilty but whether he makes a statement not isn't a great indicator of anything. Just stop.

Look, all i said was if you were being investigated for a heinous crime that you had absolutely nothing to do with and you had a multi-million dollar livelihood that was based on your public image, you wouldn't just sit back silently. That's all i said.

 

[Willie Neslon]

I'm not sure why everyone is getting on Willie (that sounds bad...).

I agree that Jared is acting the part of guilty right now. It's been a couple days and there has been nothing from him and his camp. If he was 100% innocent, this seems like something that could be cleared up really quickly and easily.

Thank you.

 

[Hang 10]

Willy, he's probably guilty but whether he makes a statement not isn't a great indicator of anything. Just stop.

Look, all i said was if you were being investigated for a heinous crime that you had absolutely nothing to do with and you had a multi-million dollar livelihood that was based on your public image, you wouldn't just sit back silently. That's all i said.

What if it's not that simple. What if he really does have TONS of porn...the legal kind but still it wrecks his public image? If that's the case, maybe he's listening to his lawyer's advice.

 

[Joe Summer]

Lots of chum in the water today, Willie.

 

[Willie Neslon]

Willy, he's probably guilty but whether he makes a statement not isn't a great indicator of anything. Just stop.

Look, all i said was if you were being investigated for a heinous crime that you had absolutely nothing to do with and you had a multi-million dollar livelihood that was based on your public image, you wouldn't just sit back silently. That's all i said.

What if it's not that simple. What if he really does have TONS of porn...the legal kind but still it wrecks his public image? If that's the case, maybe he's listening to his lawyer's advice.

If he just had regular porn the fbi wouldn't be raiding his house.

 

[Rayderr]

Scenario 1

Jared: "...."

Willie: "He's not saying anything! That must mean he's guilty!"

Scenario 2

Jared: "I am no way involved in child porn."

Willie: "No innocent man would protest like that. He must be guilty!"

If detectives came into your office, charged you with a murder you had absolutely nothing to do with and escorted you out, you wouldn't say anything to anyone in the office as you were being taken away? You'd just put your head down and silently walk out?

Or they could be completely in shock and walk out in a daze. People act differently when put under unexpected stress, and you can't always predict how you yourself will react.

He's had two days to react. Yes, you keep your mouth shut and let the lawyers and PR experts handle everything if in fact you are in the middle of a scandal. If you had nothing to do with it, you'd say so. It reminds me of the guy the FBI called a prime suspect in those anthrax by mail attacks. He came out right away and denied it. Said he had nothing to do with it. He ended up losing his job anyway but angrily denying you had anything to do with it is what an innocent person would do. The initial shock is going to wear off quickly when you realize you're fighting for you life. Then you have Bill Cosby who doesn't address his charges in anyway (except for that bizarre interview months later). Why? Because he did it.

This seems to be contradictory. And believe it or not, most guilty people proclaim their innocence.

I'm saying if you did something wrong, you let the pros fix it. If you didn't, it's not going to takes months to build a pr strategy out of a mess that you have no involvement in.

IF you are accused of doing something wrong and didn't do it, wouldn't you also have the pros fix it? There's a saying about a person who represents himself has a fool for a client. Oh, and OJ said he was innocent too. For both crimes.