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Javon Walker/ Brandon Marshall (1 Viewer)
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jurb26
Footballguy
One of the top 3 CBs in the NFL.
The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
Maybe H.K wasn't so crazy after all.
joffer
Footballguy
who led the league in targets coming into week 3?
Diamond One
Footballguy
Marshall is quickly becoming Denver's modern-day Easy Ed....
AtomicDogg97
Footballguy
I was just about to make a thead about this.
Do you guys think Brandon Marshall is for real?
Do you guys think Brandon Marshall is for real?
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JPeso
Footballguy
Has all the tools. Cutler will throw enough to make him WR2-material in the future.
thecardiackid
Footballguy
I watched most of this game and while I don't have target stats, it was clear that Cutler was keying on Marshall today. Mathis did a nice job on Walker - effectively taking him out of the game. Strange game for the donkeys all around, and they look like they have a lot of work to do (especially on the LOS)
packersfan
Footballguy
What I found curious was that the Broncos seemed to give up on Walker and just conceded the matchup to the Jags. Given Walker's talent and importance to the Broncos I'm not sure that was the smart move to make.Marshall is legit, though. The kid can definitely play.
I have an opinion, but I want to see what some others say first.AtomicDogg97 said:
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Chaos Commish
Footballguy
:whoosh:
true, but it looks like Cutler might be lacking in the confidence department. He may not want to try to force a pass into tighter coverage on Walker, and will "settle" for Marshall on a lot of plays.
The_U
Footballguy
[best Ted Knight voice possible]: "Welllll...we're WAITING..."
There might be a lot of things that Cutler lacks, but confidence isn't one of them. He's a gunslinger. His problems actually run to the other extreme- he's TOO confident, makes a lot of throws he probably shouldn't.
CC, did you think he was going to be this good this fast? I almost think everything he went through this offseason, right up to missing camp when the coaches thought he was healthy enough to play - I think it forced him to grow up and we're seeing the results...
Bump - Give it to us Bloom!CC, did you think he was going to be this good this fast? I almost think everything he went through this offseason, right up to missing camp when the coaches thought he was healthy enough to play - I think it forced him to grow up and we're seeing the results...
Are you kidding? I have felt this guy was for real from day one. We had a crisis this Summer when he had to learn to play hurt, but its clear now that maturity was the reason this unreal talent fell to the 4th. Now it seems like his turbulent offseason has settled him down, and the sky is truly the limit. He can do everything important for fantasy - possession catches with his size, run after catch ability, he can get deep, and he can be the #1 option in the red zone. I never quite understood why so few people had seen this, it was as plain as day when I watched his UCF tape. Im just happy that Brandon has made it through his rough patch (keep that head on straight!) and that everyone is getting to share in the EEE joy of this kid's talent.Bump - Give it to us Bloom!CC, did you think he was going to be this good this fast? I almost think everything he went through this offseason, right up to missing camp when the coaches thought he was healthy enough to play - I think it forced him to grow up and we're seeing the results...
Everyone laughed at me when I took him in the 8th round. Now I'm laughing my way to a 3-0 record (and a breakdown record of 32-1).
Gotta give props to Bloom for his great preseason analysis of Marshall. And having a monster like Walker opposite of B.M. only seems to be helping him.
Here are Walker and Marshall's ytd stats:
Marshall - 17 rec., 267 yds, 1 TD
Walker - 19 rec., 230 yds, 0 TD
Now, I'm not illusioned in thinking that Marshall will outperform Walker this year, but I do think he'll be right in his tail.
Gotta give props to Bloom for his great preseason analysis of Marshall. And having a monster like Walker opposite of B.M. only seems to be helping him.
Here are Walker and Marshall's ytd stats:
Marshall - 17 rec., 267 yds, 1 TD
Walker - 19 rec., 230 yds, 0 TD
Now, I'm not illusioned in thinking that Marshall will outperform Walker this year, but I do think he'll be right in his tail.
H.K.
Footballguy
Why won't Marshall outperform Walker this year? Everyone saw where this train was headed last season when Cutler took over, and now its even further down the tracks. The off-season was amazing with the amount of people who couldn't connect the dots on this one. Can you believe people were projecting 8, 9, or even 10 TD's for Walker this year? Ouch. That's gonna leave a mark.
Tubalcane
Footballguy
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeFirst and foremost as a long time Broncos fan I am ecstatic about Marshall being on our team. I haven't even had time to think about Marshall in relation to Fantasy Football. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAre you kidding? I have felt this guy was for real from day one. We had a crisis this Summer when he had to learn to play hurt, but its clear now that maturity was the reason this unreal talent fell to the 4th. Now it seems like his turbulent offseason has settled him down, and the sky is truly the limit. He can do everything important for fantasy - possession catches with his size, run after catch ability, he can get deep, and he can be the #1 option in the red zone. I never quite understood why so few people had seen this, it was as plain as day when I watched his UCF tape. Im just happy that Brandon has made it through his rough patch (keep that head on straight!) and that everyone is getting to share in the EEE joy of this kid's talent.Bump - Give it to us Bloom!CC, did you think he was going to be this good this fast? I almost think everything he went through this offseason, right up to missing camp when the coaches thought he was healthy enough to play - I think it forced him to grow up and we're seeing the results...
With Marshall, Walker, and Cutler being so young...this tandem is going to be Fantasy Gold for a long time.
Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
I feel a little bumped about this. Marshall was a player I had targetted in my draft, but due to other people's drafting I was basically forced to take Walker as my WR1 in the 4th round. Marshall went at 10.12 and I passed on him several times because I already had Walker. We'll see how it works out.
Phlash
Footballguy
Probably why he's thrown 1, 2, and 1 INTs in his first 3 games.
dwashington
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Cutler and the Denver offense aren't looking for Javon inside the red zone. Jake Plummer and Walker had a vibe where Jake had more confidence in throwing it up and letting Javon make the play. Javon can sky as well as Marshall at the goal line since their is only an inch height difference. Cutler leans how he can throw it up and let Javon come down with jump balls in the red zone and he also has to learn how to use him on corner fades. Javon has explosive verticle separation whereas Marshall is explosive in a limited area where he makes great lateral cuts/digs and can shake the defender but I prefer Javon with an open lane over Brandon because Walker has the veticle explosion to take it to the house.
Cutler is still learning and the Denver coaches are still developing him and learning what he can do. I think eventually Jay will settle in and learn how to use both Walker/Marshall in ways that highlight each other's skill sets and once that happens Walker will pull away. Jes my humble-O.
H.K.
Footballguy
Bolded part is all that matters. Cutler loves Marshall. Currently Marshall is WR20 in PPR and Walker is WR26. Basically, Walker is a WR3 ina twelve team league, just like I said he would be before the season started.
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I don't post often. But you're a tool and your schtick is old. Give it a rest.
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packersfan
Footballguy
Something extremely important that is being ignored and shouldn't be in my opinion.
In the two games when Walker was heavily targeted the Broncos won. In the one game where he wasn't, the Broncos lost.
Think that fact is going to escape Mike Shanahan's attention? Guess again.
This reminds me of the Week 1 Branch talk. I said all week leading up to Week 2 that Holmgren was going to take it personally that Branch got shut out and make sure his No. 1 WR got involved. And that's exactly what happened. I think Shanahan's smart enough to realize his offense works better when Walker is heavily involved so I would expect to see him be much more involved next week than he was yesterday.
In the two games when Walker was heavily targeted the Broncos won. In the one game where he wasn't, the Broncos lost.
Think that fact is going to escape Mike Shanahan's attention? Guess again.
This reminds me of the Week 1 Branch talk. I said all week leading up to Week 2 that Holmgren was going to take it personally that Branch got shut out and make sure his No. 1 WR got involved. And that's exactly what happened. I think Shanahan's smart enough to realize his offense works better when Walker is heavily involved so I would expect to see him be much more involved next week than he was yesterday.
H.K.
Footballguy
Wow...Walker owner I guess. Don't shoot the messenger, I warned you guys the entire off season.I don't post often. But you're a tool and your schtick is old. Give it a rest.
thehornet
Footballguy
they played oak and buf - two of the worst teams in the NFL. Just saying, the Jags are considerably better than either.Big Marshall fan here. I drafted him as my WR6 in a start 3 WR league. In this order - ROY, Bolding, Vincent Jackson, Jennings, Hackett, and then Marshall. Now, I actually rate him as my 3rd best wideout and a great option at WR3. Damn, I am already considering his keeper value for next year. Javon is no spring chicken.
I own both. Having an opinion is one thing. Patting yourself on the back endlessly when Marshall outperforms Walker once out of every three weeks is another. For everyone's sake, please stop.Wow...Walker owner I guess. Don't shoot the messenger, I warned you guys the entire off season.I don't post often. But you're a tool and your schtick is old. Give it a rest.
packersfan
Footballguy
He's 29. He's hardly an aging WR. And yes Jacksonville is the best team Denver has faced but the point still stands. The Broncos have won when they got Walker involved and lost when he wasn't. Walker is the No. 1 WR on this team. Shanahan's a smart head coach. I believe he, like Holmgren after Week 1, will take it personally that his top receiving weapon wasn't a factor and will work harder to get him involved. I thought the Broncos, like Seattle in Week 1, made a mistake by not working harder to get their top receiving option involved as the game went on. As I suspected, the Seahawks haven't made that mistake since. I don't think Denver does either.
thehornet
Footballguy
Oh i def. agree. Walker is the no. 1 guy and he needs to get involved if the team wants to stay competitive. Marshall is blossoming and his growth will depend on Walker's ability to attract the better CB's. Marshall has all the tools but he needs to continue to learn to run good routes and create chemistry with a trigger happy young qb. Javon getting shut down by one of the best cover corners in football does not worry me. He'll be back nect week in what should be a great matchup for him.
I did not get to see the game. Is he a clone of Coulston? Does he catch the ball with his hands? If so I am glad I drafted him. Now I just have to get him in the lineup if this is true.
FavreCo
Footballguy
Catches with his hands. I'd say that he is better than Colston. Right now he is definately better.
you sure have accurately explained Marshall vs Walker. 
Skino
Footballguy
He started next to Champ in the pro bowl I believe. Not sure how many more props he needs. And on a side note, is it required to have your hair long enough to hang out of your helmet in order to play for the Jags secondary? At least 3 or 4 of them out there, I had a hard time telling who was covering who, most of them have it covering their name.As far as Brandon Marshall goes, Bloom's comments are right on. The physical gifts and instincts are a given. It seems like his mentality and maturity needed the improvement and that has started to come around. Some of the moves he made this week and that catch in overtime last week that took the Broncos down to the 6 for the winner were just freaky for a guy of his size. I look forward to seeing him grow in this offense with Cutler. One more side note: as a Broncos fan, I'm very encouraged that this team can be scary good by the flashes they've shown, but they have to learn to put it together.Finatic said:Rasheen just doesn't get the props that a player like Champ will b/c he plays for the Jags (not that I'm saying he's on Champs level).
That truly was one of the great calls. I have him in all three three of my dynasties because of you.
Question is...is this a change in mindset for Cutler now going forward? or was it only the game plan against JAX?
az_prof
Footballguy
Walker will have his games and is more polished at this point in his career, which is why he will get the other team's top CB. As a result, production will go back and forth as Cutler goes to the open Wr. I see Walker and Marshall as WR1A and WR1B. In terms of physical talent, I see them as very comparable, much like Wayne and Harrison. This could be a strong trio, including Cutler, for a long time.
