T Bell
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Easy for someone to say who has no stake in any related relationships . . . beyond still being a SoCal pouring his time, money and energies into rooting for Al's Raiders Carpetbaggers.
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Javon Walker found unconscious off LV strip (1 Viewer)
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TheFanatic
Footballguy
I was thinking the same thing till I saw this:Chaos Commish said:
What the hell is that? That does not sound so cool...
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Kai's Hero
Footballguy
Interesting that your meaning of success is only how much money someone makes? How about how how someone conducts himself? How do you know that Javon works harder than ANYONE else, just because he has been successful on the football field for two years? Explain to me, how you know, that Javon dedicates himself more to his job than I do or anyone else? The facts show just the opposite. The guy has been reported as overweight and has shown irresponsible behavior off the field. Given the fact that the Raiders have given him a large amount of guaranteed money he has the responsibility to the organization, his teammates and to their fans to keep himself in shape so that he can perform at a high level and to conduct himself in a responsible manner.I make a significant amount of money, but not anywhere close to what Javon makes but I don't measure myself by the coin I make but I do measure myself in how I conduct myself everyday, how many people's lives I impact and what type of father and husband I am. For you to put Javon on this pedestal and speculate that he works harder than others or is more dedicated to his craft than anyone else shows your naivety. I too, wish Javon the best and hope that he can learn from his mistakes.Why should you be giving Javon Walker advice on how to live his life?I think Javon Walker knows himself quite a bit better than a random stranger, and Walker's quite a bit more successful than you, too. He's a multi-millionaire who has a dream job. The fact that you envy his salary and profession doesn't mean you know how Walker should best live to be a football player.Some people work so hard so they can actually live life when they're not at work. Work hard, play hard. I'm sure Walker works harder than you do, and dedicates himself to his job more than you do. It's his off-season. If nothing in his contract prevents him from doing this, why would you resent him?To bring this up when he just was the victim of what looks like a pretty gruesome assault is incredibly small of you. Walker shouldn't be rooted against just because he makes a lot of money.Setting the bar a little low aren't we? "Not PacMan" is the key standard now?? Geez.As for "a lot of single young guys": A LOT of single young guys haven't just been given their 3rd (and last) chance, paid 60 Million dollars by their employer when nobody else in the league would even give up a late round pick on the guy. A LOT of single young guys in that situation aren't already overweight, coming off injury, a disastrous last season, and already underperforming in his savior-teams' OTA's. Javon Was. AND - He's a month away from training camp. Look, I go out. I can't afford to go out like he does, but I go out. BUT - In this situation - this SAME situation, there's absolutely NO reason to be partying till 6 in the morning - Vegas or not. For all the reasons I listed above. Dude should be enormously grateful. He should be doing his best to get in shape. He should be doing his level best to be in top form for his teammates and new QB and Coach. He's doing none of those things by partying until dawn in Vegas.
massraider
Footballguy
I think Chaos was referring to my comment at the end.
LBH
Footballguy
Javon Walker was released from the hospital this morning, one day after he was beaten, robbed, and left unconscious on a Las Vegas street.
Walker says he is recovering quickly from his significant injuries, but his immediate football future may be up in the air depending on the severity of his "orbital fracture." We haven't heard the last of this story as police detectives are still piecing together the events of Walker's Vegas night.Source: Minneapolis Star-Tribune
Walker says he is recovering quickly from his significant injuries, but his immediate football future may be up in the air depending on the severity of his "orbital fracture." We haven't heard the last of this story as police detectives are still piecing together the events of Walker's Vegas night.Source: Minneapolis Star-Tribune
shadyridr
Footballguy
new here?
massraider
Footballguy
I didn't even think about that. Good point.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
i'm all for him sharing his info. it's the i can't/won't/really shouldn't games that are lame.
massraider
Footballguy
It is entirely possible that revealing what he knows could expose his identity to someone. And by posting on his thread, it could go public. This thread already has. I have no problem with him playing it safe. BTW, if I had to guess, I'd say he works at the hard Rock. The Hard Rock is opening a new rock club right next to Body English. Name of said club? Wasted Space.
However, he has only revealed that Walker was at a club, spraying champagne. Beyond that, if people read his posts, he hasn't revealed anything else.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
It is entirely possible that revealing what he knows could expose his identity to someone. And by posting on his thread, it could go public. This thread already has. I have no problem with him playing it safe. BTW, if I had to guess, I'd say he works at the hard Rock. The Hard Rock is opening a new rock club right next to Body English. Name of said club? Wasted Space.However, he has only revealed that Walker was at a club, spraying champagne. Beyond that, if people read his posts, he hasn't revealed anything else.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
LBH
Footballguy
It was an AP article the paper picked up.http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/20375889.html
LAS VEGAS - Oakland Raiders wide receiver Javon Walker was "quickly recovering" following hospitalization for a concussion and facial injuries after a Las Vegas robbery.
Walker was released from a hospital, and his agent released a statement Wednesday in which the 29-year-old Walker thanked those who offered prayers and support.
Walker was found unconscious early Monday on a street near the Las Vegas Strip after a night of partying during which he was photographed spraying a nightclub crowd with champagne.
Agent Kennard McGuire said Walker was "recovering in a private environment." An aide to McGuire, of MS World in Richmond, Texas, declined to say where Walker was staying.
"Javon looks forward to getting back to his family and teammates," the statement said, "and is looking forward to the start of the upcoming season."
Police Lt. Clinton Nichols said a large amount of cash and some jewelry were taken from Walker.
Nichols said Tuesday that detectives planned to interview Walker before his release from the hospital about his activities in the hours before he was robbed. Nichols did not immediately return messages left Wednesday.
A Raiders spokesman said the team was in the process of gathering information and had no further comment.
Walker signed a six-year, $55 million deal with the Raiders after being released by the Denver Broncos in February.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Perfect set upAt least now we know where the Raider eye patch comes from:
http://www.profootballtalk.com/wp-content/.../javonpatch.jpg
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
WALKER SPEAKS, MAKES NO SENSE
Posted by Mike Florio on June 17, 2008, 10:45 p.m. EDT
Raiders receiver Javon Walker has given an exclusive interview to TheDirty.com, a web site that gathered notoriety over the past few months for, among other things, the publication of photographs of NFL players in compromising positions.
Here’s Walker’s claim: “I was just back at my room and at about 5:30 in the morning, I got a knock at the door, I opened it and 3 guys with guns were there, they cracked me in the head a few times knocking me unconcious [sic]. They then robbed me of everything I had– my watch– money– everything! Somehow they got me to the car and dropped me off in the street. That’s what happened.”
Our reaction? Perhaps they need to check out Walker’s brain function a little more closely. Because whatever it was that cracked his orbital bone also might have functioned as the equivalent of a lobotomy.
Think about it. Three gun-wielding thugs walk through the lobby and, somehow knowing the number of Walker’s room, show up there, knock on the door, and pistol whip him when he opens it. Then, after ransacking the room, they drag his unconscious body out of the hotel without being detected and leave it in the street.
Also, and as our buddy Jason Whitlock has pointed out via e-mail since we initially posted this item, there are surveillance cameras everywhere in Vegas. So if Javon was staying at the swankiest hotel or at the Motel 6 at 707 Fremont Avenue, chances are that there’s footage somewhere of the marauding gang of thugs who accosted Walker at his room and dragged his unconscious body to their car. The likely absence of such video evidence will blow his story out of the water.
As we suggested during our Tuesday night visit with Todd Wright on Sporting News Radio, maybe the crooks put Brandon Marshall’s McDonald’s bag over Walker’s head so that Javon wouldn’t know where they were taking him.
If Walker’s story is true (and we’re certain that it isn’t), it’s surely not a random act. Robbers just want the loot — they feel no need to disrespect the victim if doing so enhances the possibility of being caught.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/17/...makes-no-sense/
Posted by Mike Florio on June 17, 2008, 10:45 p.m. EDT
Raiders receiver Javon Walker has given an exclusive interview to TheDirty.com, a web site that gathered notoriety over the past few months for, among other things, the publication of photographs of NFL players in compromising positions.
Here’s Walker’s claim: “I was just back at my room and at about 5:30 in the morning, I got a knock at the door, I opened it and 3 guys with guns were there, they cracked me in the head a few times knocking me unconcious [sic]. They then robbed me of everything I had– my watch– money– everything! Somehow they got me to the car and dropped me off in the street. That’s what happened.”
Our reaction? Perhaps they need to check out Walker’s brain function a little more closely. Because whatever it was that cracked his orbital bone also might have functioned as the equivalent of a lobotomy.
Think about it. Three gun-wielding thugs walk through the lobby and, somehow knowing the number of Walker’s room, show up there, knock on the door, and pistol whip him when he opens it. Then, after ransacking the room, they drag his unconscious body out of the hotel without being detected and leave it in the street.
Also, and as our buddy Jason Whitlock has pointed out via e-mail since we initially posted this item, there are surveillance cameras everywhere in Vegas. So if Javon was staying at the swankiest hotel or at the Motel 6 at 707 Fremont Avenue, chances are that there’s footage somewhere of the marauding gang of thugs who accosted Walker at his room and dragged his unconscious body to their car. The likely absence of such video evidence will blow his story out of the water.
As we suggested during our Tuesday night visit with Todd Wright on Sporting News Radio, maybe the crooks put Brandon Marshall’s McDonald’s bag over Walker’s head so that Javon wouldn’t know where they were taking him.
If Walker’s story is true (and we’re certain that it isn’t), it’s surely not a random act. Robbers just want the loot — they feel no need to disrespect the victim if doing so enhances the possibility of being caught.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/17/...makes-no-sense/
buster c
Footballguy
A year ago, I'd've been levying all the accusations I could come up with against Mr. Walker. But that was the MO of many a FBG in the wake of the Sean Taylor killing, so it would be pretty shiddy for me to do so.
All I can say is that I hope he recovers and lives up to the faith the Gayders have placed in him.
All I can say is that I hope he recovers and lives up to the faith the Gayders have placed in him.
T Bell
Footballguy
I was waiting on this comparison. Does getting rolled for your wad and your bling while you're partying and making a spectacle of yourself in Vegas equate to getting shot and killed in your home? Neither guy deserves it, but I don't think their behavior immediately preceding the respective incidents even remotely compares.
fatness
Footballguy
2 days after Sean Taylor was shot there was a lot of speculation that he deserved it, and details were still uncertain. Both men apparently were victims of a robbery. One was injured. One was killed.So yeah, at this point it's very similar.Differences? Sean Taylor was on a team you root for.
T Bell
Footballguy
And meanwhile you conveniently skipped over the most important part which gave rise to the criticism of the victim, the behavior of the victim. With Taylor, there was never any doubt that he did anything but go to bed in his own house. People tried to tie in other incidents that were remote in time and which were often colored by huge misconceptions about the facts, or just called him a "thug" and were done with it, but there wasn't anything that showed he'd antagonized someone in the hours before the shooting, much less in his own home.http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/
Kiffin declined to get into specifics regarding Walker’s condition, but did say, “The information I have at this point is he’s going to be fine. Training camp won’t even be an issue.”
Kiffin declined to get into specifics regarding Walker’s condition, but did say, “The information I have at this point is he’s going to be fine. Training camp won’t even be an issue.”
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massraider
Footballguy
Very good news if true.
I agree
fatness
Footballguy
You're not fully remembering the discussions here in the first day or 2 after Taylor was killed. He was criticized for letting a "thug" mow his lawn, criticized for letting him into his home, for letting him attend a party, for sleeping with a knife under his bed, for not having a working alarm system, for his girlfriend not having an operable phone, and all kinds of other things by people who wanted to find some way to lay (at least partial) blame for his shooting (and ultimate death) on him. Face it, people blame victims and it has become sport. It was a sport in the early days after Taylor's shooting and it's a sport now. The "behavior" you're saying led up to Walker being beaten and robbed was partying and spraying champagne in a club that reported no problems that night. That's it.
fatness
Footballguy
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
yes. what about this is appealing? Hopefully this trend will go the way of hammer pants...
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
LOL at Walker giving someone a hanky to wipe down the stick grape compost he just sprayed on her.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
is there a way to pull all of these out of old threads. I'd like to see a list of em, and try and match the smilie post to the classic thread.
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Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
:rimshot:8/10
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
yeah. couldn't they just pen off an area for the skeezers to get sprayed with champagne? Then we'd all be happier.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
fixedYou are reading way too much into the out of shape thing. In the same statements when he said Walker was playing his way into shape, Kiffin had praised him. It was an offhand comment, an observation, that Kiffin made, and some people ran with it.Look at this another way:Do none of you understand personal responsibility and maturity??By the way - he "works so hard" the Broncos cut him for failing to show up to work. He "works so hard at his job" he's substantially overweight reporting to his OTA's with his new team.Why should you be giving Javon Walker advice on how to live his life?I think Javon Walker knows himself quite a bit better than a random stranger, and Walker's quite a bit more successful than you, too. He's a multi-millionaire who has a dream job. The fact that you envy his salary and profession doesn't mean you know how Walker should best live to be a football player.Setting the bar a little low aren't we? "Not PacMan" is the key standard now?? Geez.As for "a lot of single young guys":
A LOT of single young guys haven't just been given their 3rd (and last) chance, paid 60 Million dollars by their employer when nobody else in the league would even give up a late round pick on the guy.
A LOT of single young guys in that situation aren't already overweight, coming off injury, a disastrous last season, and already underperforming in his savior-teams' OTA's. Javon Was. AND - He's a month away from training camp.
Look, I go out. I can't afford to go out like he does, but I go out. BUT - In this situation - this SAME situation, there's absolutely NO reason to be partying till 6 in the morning - Vegas or not. For all the reasons I listed above. Dude should be enormously grateful. He should be doing his best to get in shape. He should be doing his level best to be in top form for his teammates and new QB and Coach. He's doing none of those things by partying until dawn in Vegas.
Some people work so hard so they can actually live life when they're not at work. Work hard, play hard. I'm sure Walker works harder than you do, and dedicates himself to his job more than you do. It's his off-season. If nothing in his contract prevents him from doing this, why would you resent him?
To bring this up when he just was the victim of what looks like a pretty gruesome assault is incredibly small of you. Walker shouldn't be rooted against just because he makes a lot of money.Yeah, he's a hard worker who "dedicates himself to his job"
And yeah, I'm pretty sure just about any intelligent football coach (not some apologist whiner like yourself - typical for you) will tell you that when you're out of shape and on your last chance and heading into training camp, you should not be partying until dawn. Call me crazy, but I'd be willing to make that bet.
And by the way - Just because it's not in your contract doesn't mean it's not a smart move. My boss doesn't tell me not to party until dawn on weeknights, he doesn't control my Sundays, but I have enough sense to know not to get trashed before I have to go to work. Again, it's called personal responsibility and maturity - it doesn't HAVE to be spelled out for us. We just have it. And you - and Javon - don't. I guess people like you need every little thing spelled out for them.
"Uh Javon - You're really having a hard time with seperation in the OTA's and your coming in heavy int eh first place. I've got a notary here and we're going to spell out that partying until dawn is not allowed. Also, fried ho-ho's are a "no-no". While we're here, what other stupid crap are you going to do so we can document that as things not to do??
Let's say I had seen Javon at a club, and mentioned that I saw him buying a lot of champagne, and spraying his friends. And a bunch of the responses to my comments were, "What a tool, I hope someone smashes his head, and leaves him for dead on the side of the road...."
My own personal opinion? I was nervous when the Raiders signed Walker, but that was because of the money/knee. Thought they overpaid, just like you did. Unlike you, I don't think that him being OVERPAID should affect Javon's ability to do what he wants on his free time. Here's the news: They are all overpaid. Expecting them to not go to a club with Ludachris is ludicrous.
I would love to hear that he was sleeping in an oxygen bubble, and only coming out of his protective bubble wrap to work with the JUGGS machine. However, in the real world, people go to clubs.
I find it interesting that a site (thedirty.com) with an "exclusive interview" detailing Javon's abduction (probably the biggest story the site has ever "broken") doesn't have it stuck on the front page. In fact, the story can only be found if you do a search. And when you find the story, try clicking the "next" and "previous" buttons on the top. Once you press either and try to go back to the Javon story - it magically disappears from the rotation.
Seems a lawyer or two may have become involved if you ask me.
Seems a lawyer or two may have become involved if you ask me.
fox sports is reporting that Javon does not want to press charges against the people the police believe did it. the reporter from Vegas believes that that ussually means that the player (Walker) doesn't want the rest of the stroy to come out. I think that Wasted Space 25 might have the correct story. and several of you were beating him up over it. everything is slowly coming out. they also comment on that Walker has not come out publicly with his version of hte story, which #1 says that the dirty.com story is false, and #2 states that maybe Javon was involved with something tht he doesn't want public. prostitution is the GUESS of many.
If what Wasted Space said was true I would see no reason why he would not press charges for fear of something coming out. For fear of his life maybe but not for something coming out.I also can't see prostitution as the reason either. You don't have to walk down desolate streets to find a prostitute in Vegas. For that you don't need to leave the lobby of most hotels.If Javon does not want to press charges I have 3 guesses (1) He is scared for his life. (2) he was trying to buy drugs. This theory still has a lot of holes in it as someone like him should be able to get someone else to buy drugs for him if he wanted. Also, anyone who has been around Vegas much knows cab drivers are an easy way to get drugs without ever leaving the backseat of the cab. No need to go walking deserted streets. (3) Maybe he is involved in an alternate lifestyle. NTTAWWT but the gay district in Vegas is about a block away from The Hard Rock were he was last seen and not to far from were he was found. If something happened to him there he surely would not want anyone knowing about it.
Bingo! This is the most likely reason. IMO
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This would be the worst thing to come out as far as his NFL career is concerned. He would never be accepted in an NFL locker room ever again.It's sad to say, but getting caught with drugs or a female prostitute would be a much better outcome for Javon.
massraider
Footballguy
People are pinning a lot of their theory on this notion that he was walking down a deserted street.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
I think someone taught him a lesson and dumped him there, telling him if he opens his mouth they'll teach him a bigger lesson. And he knows they can.
Or he was robbed and beaten while walking around in the early morning looking for a church to pray in.
Not sure which.
Or he was robbed and beaten while walking around in the early morning looking for a church to pray in.
Not sure which.
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massraider
Footballguy
PFT's latest:
BELLAGIO DISPUTES WALKER’S CLAIMS
Posted by Mike Florio on June 19, 2008, 10:35 p.m.
Raiders receiver Javon Walker claims that gunmen appeared at his room at Bellagio, knocked him unconscious, robbed him, and then dragged to him a car and dumped him in the street.
The folks at Bellagio disagree.
“The facts that have been reported regarding the incident involving Javon Walker are incorrect,” a spokesperson from MGM-Mirage, which owns Bellagio, told KVBC-TV in Las Vegas. “I am unable to provide further detail out of respect for the Metro investigation which is currently underway.”
KVBC also reports that Bellagio has more than 2,000 surveillance cameras that operate continuously inside and outside the hotel.
Meanwhile, a reader has shared with us some Vegas talk-radio rumor/speculation regarding the incident. As the rumor/speculation goes, a couple of guys saw Walker spraying Dom Perignon on Saturday night, and then recruited a woman to cozy up to him on Sunday night, and to get him to take her home, or wherever. Once outside, the robbers intervened, knocked Walker out, and took his watch and money.
If there is any truth to this story, that smells like a guy that doesn't want it known he solicited a woman for S-E-X.
BELLAGIO DISPUTES WALKER’S CLAIMS
Posted by Mike Florio on June 19, 2008, 10:35 p.m.
Raiders receiver Javon Walker claims that gunmen appeared at his room at Bellagio, knocked him unconscious, robbed him, and then dragged to him a car and dumped him in the street.
The folks at Bellagio disagree.
“The facts that have been reported regarding the incident involving Javon Walker are incorrect,” a spokesperson from MGM-Mirage, which owns Bellagio, told KVBC-TV in Las Vegas. “I am unable to provide further detail out of respect for the Metro investigation which is currently underway.”
KVBC also reports that Bellagio has more than 2,000 surveillance cameras that operate continuously inside and outside the hotel.
Meanwhile, a reader has shared with us some Vegas talk-radio rumor/speculation regarding the incident. As the rumor/speculation goes, a couple of guys saw Walker spraying Dom Perignon on Saturday night, and then recruited a woman to cozy up to him on Sunday night, and to get him to take her home, or wherever. Once outside, the robbers intervened, knocked Walker out, and took his watch and money.
If there is any truth to this story, that smells like a guy that doesn't want it known he solicited a woman for S-E-X.
I'm not sure if he was walking down a deserted street or not but I'm pretty sure he was not abducted from his hotel room either.
massraider
Footballguy
If you aren't sure if he was walking down a deserted street, then where did your above theories come from?That's my point. Until anyone says they saw him walking anywhere, it might be smart to tap the brakes on the "cruising the gay neighborhood" theories.
Keep your pants on. I said it was just a guess and until Javon Walker wants to state the truth about what happened he is opening himself for speculation.
massraider
Footballguy
I apologize for questioning you baseless theory based on nothing. my bad.You know, UNLV is close by. Maybe he was attempting to beat the rush and enroll in the Hotel Management program.
There's also a lot of fast food places nearby. That area is notorious for serving food laden with fat and sodium. Perhaps Javon has a secret addiction to Double Doubles from In N Out burger. This may explain recent concerns about his weight.
When he's got a reason to not have one of those things become public knowledge at the cost of arresting someone who beat him unconscious and robbed him please let me know.
fatness
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BustedKnuckles
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Oakland Raiders wide receiver Javon Walker was seen entering a car under his own power at the Bellagio the morning he was found beaten and unconscious, it was learned Friday.
Metro police have surveillance tape of Walker going to the car, and it doesn't match the abduction story he told a Web site Tuesday, the source said.
It does not appear on the tape that Walker is being coerced, the source said.
Bill Cassell, spokesman for the Metropolitan Police Department, said he could not comment beyond saying that there is an ongoing investigation.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/20625684.html
Hey , how about the possability he has a girlfriend at home . Now Javon knows what he tells the police is going to get printed. apparently Javon is more afraid of his girlfriend then the police. You lie to the police and they catch you you usually get a slap on the wrist lie to your girlfriend and get caught ...
Metro police have surveillance tape of Walker going to the car, and it doesn't match the abduction story he told a Web site Tuesday, the source said.
It does not appear on the tape that Walker is being coerced, the source said.
Bill Cassell, spokesman for the Metropolitan Police Department, said he could not comment beyond saying that there is an ongoing investigation.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/20625684.html
Hey , how about the possability he has a girlfriend at home . Now Javon knows what he tells the police is going to get printed. apparently Javon is more afraid of his girlfriend then the police. You lie to the police and they catch you you usually get a slap on the wrist lie to your girlfriend and get caught ...
T Bell
Footballguy
massraider, are you schizo? You're lampooning other people trying to deduce what happened, while at the same time regularly in this thread posting articles from sources like PFT sharing something that a reader told them about what callers to a talk radio station said. And that's of course before you then "weigh in" on this new "information". Get over yourself. Your moral indignation at the injustice supposedly done to Walker/the Raiders/Al Davis' proud legacy/blah blah blah rings pretty damn hollow when you're rampantly engaged in the very same thing yourself.
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fatness
Footballguy
Is there some reason to believe, besides the fact that it's been repeated 20 million times, that "Walker's story" printed by The Dirty.com is actually Walker's story?
This earlier post in this thread says Fox Sports reported that the story is fake.
This earlier post in this thread says Fox Sports reported that the story is fake.
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