Javon Walker or Marques Colston (1 Viewer)

[TheFanatic]

This is not a poor attempt to ask the Shark Pool who I should trade for. I made the trade already. Someone in the league is upset I didn't shop the player I traded away as he would've offered me the other WR in this poll. I don't want to tell you who I traded for to taint the results. The other owner thinks that his WR is much better and thinks that FBG.com will agree with him.

I just want to know which you would rather have in a PPR Pure Dynasty League (a guy is on your team till you trade him or cut him).

Who would you rather have? Walker or Colston?

 

[Q-Bert]

I voted Walker but it is very close. I put both guys in the same rough tier after the top truly elite 4 or 5.

 

[Blackjacks]

This is not a poor attempt to ask the Shark Pool who I should trade for. I made the trade already. Someone in the league is upset I didn't shop the player I traded away as he would've offered me the other WR in this poll. I don't want to tell you who I traded for to taint the results. The other owner thinks that his WR is much better and thinks that FBG.com will agree with him. I just want to know which you would rather have in a PPR Pure Dynasty League (a guy is on your team till you trade him or cut him). Who would you rather have? Walker or Colston?

Maybe not this year but for teh long term I like Walker better. I just fear Colston was a flash in the pan.

 

[TheFanatic]

This is not a poor attempt to ask the Shark Pool who I should trade for. I made the trade already. Someone in the league is upset I didn't shop the player I traded away as he would've offered me the other WR in this poll. I don't want to tell you who I traded for to taint the results. The other owner thinks that his WR is much better and thinks that FBG.com will agree with him. I just want to know which you would rather have in a PPR Pure Dynasty League (a guy is on your team till you trade him or cut him). Who would you rather have? Walker or Colston?

Maybe not this year but for teh long term I like Walker better. I just fear Colston was a flash in the pan.

Could you elaborate a bit? What do you mean not this year? What will change next year that will make one or the other better?

 

[Blackjacks]

This is not a poor attempt to ask the Shark Pool who I should trade for. I made the trade already. Someone in the league is upset I didn't shop the player I traded away as he would've offered me the other WR in this poll. I don't want to tell you who I traded for to taint the results. The other owner thinks that his WR is much better and thinks that FBG.com will agree with him. I just want to know which you would rather have in a PPR Pure Dynasty League (a guy is on your team till you trade him or cut him). Who would you rather have? Walker or Colston?

Maybe not this year but for teh long term I like Walker better. I just fear Colston was a flash in the pan.

Could you elaborate a bit? What do you mean not this year? What will change next year that will make one or the other better?

New qb in Denver, new #2 wr and basically 2 new te's to go along with a new rb. There is alot of "new" going on there this year. I do think Denver needed a change in their talent and it was a good choice for them. I also however think it could take a year to get the offense going. I do think Walker has more talent and at the end of the day I think talent will prevail. I'm also a believer of Cutler's talent, again maybe not this year but if your asking who over a three year stretch will be better I think Walker will be better.

 

[stevegamer]

Walker is older, but safer in the fact that his track record is more than 1 year long.

I bet this ends up pretty even.

 

[saintfool]

until the saints have a WR that could challenge Colston, i would go with him. he's the clear #1 option. i fear the sophomore slump of the 2nd year QB over that of the 2nd year WR.

 

[FavreCo]

Colston by a hair. He has a proven Brees even though I think Cutler will be good too. The only thing that stops him as a 2nd year slump is that he is now the unquestioned #1 Wr and will draw the #1 CB weekly. Add in Greg Olsen though and that changes things. Never been a fan of Henderson. He's got speed but bad hands that somehow turned to gold last year. Hands were always his (Henderson's) knock coming out of college.

 

[eefflrat]

I have them both in a Dynasty. In fact i just traded Roy Williams at twice the salary for Colston to hook up with my dynasty QB Brees.

Am hoping big things for both.

 

[Steelnation]

Colston

much more upside

 

[H.K.]

Colstonmuch more upside

This poll shouldn't be close in a dynasty vote. Colston posted virtually identical receiving numbers to Walker last season, but essentially did it in 12 games. He got hurt in the first quarter of week 12, missed two more weeks and then made a cameo in Week 17 before sitting b/c the Saints were locked into their playoff position.Colston is 5 years younger, and on a team with a great offensive core which should be explosive for the forseeable future.

 

[Driver]

I voted Walker but it is very close. I put both guys in the same rough tier after the top truly elite 4 or 5.

I think you need a 3rd category in the poll -- "Basically equivalent value in dynasty ppr (same tier within 1 or 2 slots of each other)"

 

[TheFanatic]

I voted Walker but it is very close. I put both guys in the same rough tier after the top truly elite 4 or 5.

I think you need a 3rd category in the poll -- "Basically equivalent value in dynasty ppr (same tier within 1 or 2 slots of each other)"

The question is who would you rather have not to rank order them. Given the league, PPR Pure Dynasty, which would you rather have. Pick one of the two....

 

[stevegamer]

I voted Walker but it is very close. I put both guys in the same rough tier after the top truly elite 4 or 5.

I think you need a 3rd category in the poll -- "Basically equivalent value in dynasty ppr (same tier within 1 or 2 slots of each other)"

The question is who would you rather have not to rank order them. Given the league, PPR Pure Dynasty, which would you rather have. Pick one of the two....

The answer could be "Whichever one - I think of them as essentially equivalent." It's a valid answer.

 

[bcr8f]

I voted Walker but it is very close. I put both guys in the same rough tier after the top truly elite 4 or 5.

After 1 year you put Colston among top 5 or 6?

 

[NEUPJ]

This is something I've been fighting all offseason. I've got TO, Walker and Colston in a keeper league where you can only keep 1 WR.

I'm afraid of the sophomore slump of Colston, TO being TO and Walker not getting enough balls or Cutler not playing well.

If it was between Colston and Walker, I would keep Colston in a second.

 

[Tag]

I voted Walker but it is very close. I put both guys in the same rough tier after the top truly elite 4 or 5.

After 1 year you put Colston among top 5 or 6?

I did that too after Michael Clayton's first year. :(

 

[greyone]

Colston gets plenty of targets from Brees. Colston seems to be clearly in Brees crosshairs. With Reggie Bush + devery Henderson(who doesn't seem to be a consensus #2 wr) + and no real pass catching te + no Joe Horn, Colston doesn't have any competition. Only a couple things are still variable. Drafting a wr and the type of coverage other teams are going to play against Marques.

Who did draw a lot of double teams in the games i watched, couple here and there. He is very capable of handling the double teams.

Colston was hardly open on many of the passes Brees threw him. Drew simply put the ball where only Marques could and would catch it.

Re-reading the OP...

Its a really close matchup any way you cut it redraft or dynasty. No matter what, you come out nicely with Walker or Colston.

EDGE:

Offense: Saints, albeit we have heard rumblings about Denver wanting to be a high scoring team(who the hell doesn't)

qb: Saints Brees has nothing to prove, he is a baller. Cutler is the player who should be in question. But once again, both are promising Cutler is younger. Other than stating the obvious.

schedules...Walker plays against weaker secondaries Raider-KC-Chargers vs Atlanta-Carolina-Tampa Bay. When i type it out its pretty even.

as confusing as my post is...i still go Colston.

Colston and Brees will continue to produce great numbers together.

 

[JohnnyU]

Walker two years removed from his ACL, Cutler has some experience now, and he is still young. Walker in a landslide IMO. Colston came out of nowhere last season, he just might retreat back there in his sophmore season. I'm not sold on Colston yet. Let's see him do it again this year when teams pay more attention to him.

 

[shamrock84]

I voted Walker but it is very close. I put both guys in the same rough tier after the top truly elite 4 or 5.

I think you need a 3rd category in the poll -- "Basically equivalent value in dynasty ppr (same tier within 1 or 2 slots of each other)"

The question is who would you rather have not to rank order them. Given the league, PPR Pure Dynasty, which would you rather have. Pick one of the two....

The answer could be "Whichever one - I think of them as essentially equivalent." It's a valid answer.

Okay guy... I have a gun to your head and if you don't pick just one of them your brains will be splattered on the wall. Now who is it?

 

[Mister CIA]

Walker two years removed from his ACL, Cutler has some experience now, and he is still young. Walker in a landslide IMO. Colston came out of nowhere last season, he just might retreat back there in his sophmore season. I'm not sold on Colston yet. Let's see him do it again this year when teams pay more attention to him.

Hola Johnny,Serious question - How many Saints games did you watch last year? I think I watched them all, and Brees to Colston looked like money in the bank. Colston is good for several 15 yard catches per game with a breakaway here and there; but, most importantly, he is gold as a red zone target. GOLD!I agree with the poll results that Colston is slightly more valuable than Javon, all things considered.

 

[Pipes]

I voted Walker but it is very close. I put both guys in the same rough tier after the top truly elite 4 or 5.

After 1 year you put Colston among top 5 or 6?

I did that too after Michael Clayton's first year. :(

Has there ever been a Colston thread where Michael Clayton's name hasn't come up?Went Colston but it's very close....like them both.

 

[Rockchild]

I don't think you can go wrong with either player but if I had to choose or get my brains blown out I would go with Walker. If anything he is the safer pick in regards to his track record(in the NFL and at a major college) with my only short term worry being the development of Cutler. My concern with Colston is Reggie Bush and his emergence as the focal point in the offense.

 

[Blackjacks]

How did you think this one would end up Fanatic?

 

[Chunky Soup]

Walker two years removed from his ACL, Cutler has some experience now, and he is still young. Walker in a landslide IMO. Colston came out of nowhere last season, he just might retreat back there in his sophmore season. I'm not sold on Colston yet. Let's see him do it again this year when teams pay more attention to him.

Serious question - How many Saints games did you watch last year? I think I watched them all, and Brees to Colston looked like money in the bank. Colston is good for several 15 yard catches per game with a breakaway here and there; but, most importantly, he is gold as a red zone target. GOLD!

Saw him play plenty. 3 reasons why I'm not a believer:(1) Saints played way over their head last year. Their magical home field advantaged will wear off a bit being a season removed from their welcome back to NO. Last year Brees was lights out making every receiver look great. I believe that this won't be the same next year.(2) Playoff performance. He had about 27 targets and 10 catches. In the playoffs he didn't look that special At all. Teams keyed on him and Brees and I think this could be a sign for the upcoming season.(3) Something about him doesn't scream special to me when I watch him play. Even if I think "first rounder" when I watch I'm not amazed. I think he uses his size concentration and hands, but during the season he didn't tear it up and have Anquan Boldin like runs or amazing catches. When I watch Javon Walker I can't believe the athlete I'm watching. When I see Colston, its really not that way at all. I think he's a bit overrated right now and next season should shed some light onto what his career will really be like.

 

[TheFanatic]

How did you think this one would end up Fanatic?

Exactly like this. Just after the season ended I was offered my choice of WR for KJones. I could've taken Housh, Colston or another WR. Can't remember the 3rd. May have been Driver. With the possibility of KJones not playing at all or a good portion in 2007 I jumped on the deal. If someone else wanted to take that gamble and I could get value for KJones I was all over it. Having Addai, Gore, Edge, Droughns/Jacobs, (and Ricky), I felt I had the depth to do it.After I make the trade a former FBG, Peens, who is in the league jumped all over me for not shopping KJ more. In particular that he would've given me Walker. I said I would rather have Colston. We went back and forth for a while about who was better. Then he traded away Walker and now has Berrian and now that Walker is not on his team he thinks that Walker and Berrian are about even. I laughed that he was a Fantasy Homer if he thinks that Berrian is now equal to Walker now that Walker is not on his team and Berrian is. BJ's, sound like anyone we know? He came back and said that the FBG rankings have Walker ahead of Colston so he has the majority on his side. I made the point that those rankings don't take into account out league rules. So I decided to do this poll and see what happens when given the option between these two guys given the league I'm in with Peens what FBG would say. And the results are in. In a pure dynasty league where a player is on your team till you cut him or trade him, the majority would rather have Colston than Walker. My biggest point was that in 5 years Walker will be redoing his contract in order to try to keep the a job as WR3 on the Broncos. In 5 years Colston will be in his prime and have many years left.....That and Walker really has only had a good year twice in his career. Sure, as a Clayton owner that went through my mind, but Clayton didn't have Brees throwing to him. And we all know that Brees will find a way to force the ball to his favorite WR whomever that is....

 

[identikit]

How did you think this one would end up Fanatic?

Exactly like this. Just after the season ended I was offered my choice of WR for KJones. I could've taken Housh, Colston or another WR. Can't remember the 3rd. May have been Driver. With the possibility of KJones not playing at all or a good portion in 2007 I jumped on the deal. If someone else wanted to take that gamble and I could get value for KJones I was all over it. Having Addai, Gore, Edge, Droughns/Jacobs, (and Ricky), I felt I had the depth to do it.

After I make the trade a former FBG, Peens, who is in the league jumped all over me for not shopping KJ more. In particular that he would've given me Walker. I said I would rather have Colston. We went back and forth for a while about who was better. Then he traded away Walker and now has Berrian and now that Walker is not on his team he thinks that Walker and Berrian are about even. I laughed that he was a Fantasy Homer if he thinks that Berrian is now equal to Walker now that Walker is not on his team and Berrian is. BJ's, sound like anyone we know?

He came back and said that the FBG rankings have Walker ahead of Colston so he has the majority on his side. I made the point that those rankings don't take into account out league rules. So I decided to do this poll and see what happens when given the option between these two guys given the league I'm in with Peens what FBG would say.

And the results are in. In a pure dynasty league where a player is on your team till you cut him or trade him, the majority would rather have Colston than Walker.

My biggest point was that in 5 years Walker will be redoing his contract in order to try to keep the a job as WR3 on the Broncos. In 5 years Colston will be in his prime and have many years left.....That and Walker really has only had a good year twice in his career. Sure, as a Clayton owner that went through my mind, but Clayton didn't have Brees throwing to him. And we all know that Brees will find a way to force the ball to his favorite WR whomever that is....

I voted Colston, due to the youth factor. 'Fantasy Homer' saying Berrian is the choice in Walker vs Berrian is just plain ridiculous, no matter what the league scoring.Id

 

[Sidewinder]

... and no real pass catching te ...

A big "if", but depends on if Eric Johnson can stay healthy.

... Their magical home field advantaged will wear off a bit being a season removed from their welcome back to NO. ...

4-4 at home was magical ?

 

[Blackjacks]

How did you think this one would end up Fanatic?

Exactly like this. Just after the season ended I was offered my choice of WR for KJones. I could've taken Housh, Colston or another WR. Can't remember the 3rd. May have been Driver. With the possibility of KJones not playing at all or a good portion in 2007 I jumped on the deal. If someone else wanted to take that gamble and I could get value for KJones I was all over it. Having Addai, Gore, Edge, Droughns/Jacobs, (and Ricky), I felt I had the depth to do it.

After I make the trade a former FBG, Peens, who is in the league jumped all over me for not shopping KJ more. In particular that he would've given me Walker. I said I would rather have Colston. We went back and forth for a while about who was better. Then he traded away Walker and now has Berrian and now that Walker is not on his team he thinks that Walker and Berrian are about even. I laughed that he was a Fantasy Homer if he thinks that Berrian is now equal to Walker now that Walker is not on his team and Berrian is. BJ's, sound like anyone we know?

He came back and said that the FBG rankings have Walker ahead of Colston so he has the majority on his side. I made the point that those rankings don't take into account out league rules. So I decided to do this poll and see what happens when given the option between these two guys given the league I'm in with Peens what FBG would say.

And the results are in. In a pure dynasty league where a player is on your team till you cut him or trade him, the majority would rather have Colston than Walker.

My biggest point was that in 5 years Walker will be redoing his contract in order to try to keep the a job as WR3 on the Broncos. In 5 years Colston will be in his prime and have many years left.....That and Walker really has only had a good year twice in his career. Sure, as a Clayton owner that went through my mind, but Clayton didn't have Brees throwing to him. And we all know that Brees will find a way to force the ball to his favorite WR whomever that is....

That does have a hint of "Knights" homerism to it.

 

[JohnnyU]

How did you think this one would end up Fanatic?

Exactly like this. Just after the season ended I was offered my choice of WR for KJones. I could've taken Housh, Colston or another WR. Can't remember the 3rd. May have been Driver. With the possibility of KJones not playing at all or a good portion in 2007 I jumped on the deal. If someone else wanted to take that gamble and I could get value for KJones I was all over it. Having Addai, Gore, Edge, Droughns/Jacobs, (and Ricky), I felt I had the depth to do it.After I make the trade a former FBG, Peens, who is in the league jumped all over me for not shopping KJ more. In particular that he would've given me Walker. I said I would rather have Colston. We went back and forth for a while about who was better. Then he traded away Walker and now has Berrian and now that Walker is not on his team he thinks that Walker and Berrian are about even. I laughed that he was a Fantasy Homer if he thinks that Berrian is now equal to Walker now that Walker is not on his team and Berrian is. BJ's, sound like anyone we know? He came back and said that the FBG rankings have Walker ahead of Colston so he has the majority on his side. I made the point that those rankings don't take into account out league rules. So I decided to do this poll and see what happens when given the option between these two guys given the league I'm in with Peens what FBG would say. And the results are in. In a pure dynasty league where a player is on your team till you cut him or trade him, the majority would rather have Colston than Walker. My biggest point was that in 5 years Walker will be redoing his contract in order to try to keep the a job as WR3 on the Broncos. In 5 years Colston will be in his prime and have many years left.....That and Walker really has only had a good year twice in his career. Sure, as a Clayton owner that went through my mind, but Clayton didn't have Brees throwing to him. And we all know that Brees will find a way to force the ball to his favorite WR whomever that is....

I traded for Walker from Peens team and I wouldn't trade you Walker for Colston, just as you wouldn't trade Colston for Walker. I think Walker is the more elite talent, but the Saints have the more proven QB. Having said that, I believe Cutler will be a Pro Bowl QB very soon. Add that with the fact that Walker is still young, I think Walker is the better dynasty player.

 

[TheFanatic]

How did you think this one would end up Fanatic?

Exactly like this. Just after the season ended I was offered my choice of WR for KJones. I could've taken Housh, Colston or another WR. Can't remember the 3rd. May have been Driver. With the possibility of KJones not playing at all or a good portion in 2007 I jumped on the deal. If someone else wanted to take that gamble and I could get value for KJones I was all over it. Having Addai, Gore, Edge, Droughns/Jacobs, (and Ricky), I felt I had the depth to do it.

After I make the trade a former FBG, Peens, who is in the league jumped all over me for not shopping KJ more. In particular that he would've given me Walker. I said I would rather have Colston. We went back and forth for a while about who was better. Then he traded away Walker and now has Berrian and now that Walker is not on his team he thinks that Walker and Berrian are about even. I laughed that he was a Fantasy Homer if he thinks that Berrian is now equal to Walker now that Walker is not on his team and Berrian is. BJ's, sound like anyone we know?

He came back and said that the FBG rankings have Walker ahead of Colston so he has the majority on his side. I made the point that those rankings don't take into account out league rules. So I decided to do this poll and see what happens when given the option between these two guys given the league I'm in with Peens what FBG would say.

And the results are in. In a pure dynasty league where a player is on your team till you cut him or trade him, the majority would rather have Colston than Walker.

My biggest point was that in 5 years Walker will be redoing his contract in order to try to keep the a job as WR3 on the Broncos. In 5 years Colston will be in his prime and have many years left.....That and Walker really has only had a good year twice in his career. Sure, as a Clayton owner that went through my mind, but Clayton didn't have Brees throwing to him. And we all know that Brees will find a way to force the ball to his favorite WR whomever that is....

That does have a hint of "Knights" homerism to it.

No you nimrod, I was talking about the SilverShadow. He gets a guy and the guy is a sure fire top 5. As soon as he trades him away he's just mediocre....The funniest part of this whole debate is that I'm a Walker owner in our league. So while I don't see it as Colston is heads and shoulders better than Walker, but given the format of that league, Colston is the better choice. Sure he could be Clayton Redux and I lose out, but I took a chance....

 

[TheFanatic]

How did you think this one would end up Fanatic?

Exactly like this. Just after the season ended I was offered my choice of WR for KJones. I could've taken Housh, Colston or another WR. Can't remember the 3rd. May have been Driver. With the possibility of KJones not playing at all or a good portion in 2007 I jumped on the deal. If someone else wanted to take that gamble and I could get value for KJones I was all over it. Having Addai, Gore, Edge, Droughns/Jacobs, (and Ricky), I felt I had the depth to do it.After I make the trade a former FBG, Peens, who is in the league jumped all over me for not shopping KJ more. In particular that he would've given me Walker. I said I would rather have Colston. We went back and forth for a while about who was better. Then he traded away Walker and now has Berrian and now that Walker is not on his team he thinks that Walker and Berrian are about even. I laughed that he was a Fantasy Homer if he thinks that Berrian is now equal to Walker now that Walker is not on his team and Berrian is. BJ's, sound like anyone we know? He came back and said that the FBG rankings have Walker ahead of Colston so he has the majority on his side. I made the point that those rankings don't take into account out league rules. So I decided to do this poll and see what happens when given the option between these two guys given the league I'm in with Peens what FBG would say. And the results are in. In a pure dynasty league where a player is on your team till you cut him or trade him, the majority would rather have Colston than Walker. My biggest point was that in 5 years Walker will be redoing his contract in order to try to keep the a job as WR3 on the Broncos. In 5 years Colston will be in his prime and have many years left.....That and Walker really has only had a good year twice in his career. Sure, as a Clayton owner that went through my mind, but Clayton didn't have Brees throwing to him. And we all know that Brees will find a way to force the ball to his favorite WR whomever that is....

I traded for Walker from Peens team and I wouldn't trade you Walker for Colston, just as you wouldn't trade Colston for Walker. I think Walker is the more elite talent, but the Saints have the more proven QB. Having said that, I believe Cutler will be a Pro Bowl QB very soon. Add that with the fact that Walker is still young, I think Walker is the better dynasty player.

Actually, I think I made the point that in a redraft league I would take Walker all day long this year. I think that Colston will have some growing to do this year with no Joe Horn to help him on and off the field. And that Walker is still in his prime years. Colston is a couple years away. That being said. In 5 years Walker is going to be 33-34 and will not be a WR1 anymore. Colston will be a WR1 in 5 years and a few years beyond that. Barring injury and Colston becoming Clayton Part II....

 

[metoo]

How did you think this one would end up Fanatic?

Exactly like this. Just after the season ended I was offered my choice of WR for KJones. I could've taken Housh, Colston or another WR. Can't remember the 3rd. May have been Driver. With the possibility of KJones not playing at all or a good portion in 2007 I jumped on the deal. If someone else wanted to take that gamble and I could get value for KJones I was all over it. Having Addai, Gore, Edge, Droughns/Jacobs, (and Ricky), I felt I had the depth to do it.After I make the trade a former FBG, Peens, who is in the league jumped all over me for not shopping KJ more. In particular that he would've given me Walker. I said I would rather have Colston. We went back and forth for a while about who was better. Then he traded away Walker and now has Berrian and now that Walker is not on his team he thinks that Walker and Berrian are about even. I laughed that he was a Fantasy Homer if he thinks that Berrian is now equal to Walker now that Walker is not on his team and Berrian is. BJ's, sound like anyone we know? He came back and said that the FBG rankings have Walker ahead of Colston so he has the majority on his side. I made the point that those rankings don't take into account out league rules. So I decided to do this poll and see what happens when given the option between these two guys given the league I'm in with Peens what FBG would say. And the results are in. In a pure dynasty league where a player is on your team till you cut him or trade him, the majority would rather have Colston than Walker. My biggest point was that in 5 years Walker will be redoing his contract in order to try to keep the a job as WR3 on the Broncos. In 5 years Colston will be in his prime and have many years left.....That and Walker really has only had a good year twice in his career. Sure, as a Clayton owner that went through my mind, but Clayton didn't have Brees throwing to him. And we all know that Brees will find a way to force the ball to his favorite WR whomever that is....

I traded for Walker from Peens team and I wouldn't trade you Walker for Colston, just as you wouldn't trade Colston for Walker. I think Walker is the more elite talent, but the Saints have the more proven QB. Having said that, I believe Cutler will be a Pro Bowl QB very soon. Add that with the fact that Walker is still young, I think Walker is the better dynasty player.

Actually, I think I made the point that in a redraft league I would take Walker all day long this year. I think that Colston will have some growing to do this year with no Joe Horn to help him on and off the field. And that Walker is still in his prime years. Colston is a couple years away. That being said. In 5 years Walker is going to be 33-34 and will not be a WR1 anymore. Colston will be a WR1 in 5 years and a few years beyond that. Barring injury and Colston becoming Clayton Part II....

Five years? Why are you looking so far down the road? Too many things could happen. I would take Walker and it's not close.

 

[TheFanatic]

How did you think this one would end up Fanatic?

Exactly like this. Just after the season ended I was offered my choice of WR for KJones. I could've taken Housh, Colston or another WR. Can't remember the 3rd. May have been Driver. With the possibility of KJones not playing at all or a good portion in 2007 I jumped on the deal. If someone else wanted to take that gamble and I could get value for KJones I was all over it. Having Addai, Gore, Edge, Droughns/Jacobs, (and Ricky), I felt I had the depth to do it.

After I make the trade a former FBG, Peens, who is in the league jumped all over me for not shopping KJ more. In particular that he would've given me Walker. I said I would rather have Colston. We went back and forth for a while about who was better. Then he traded away Walker and now has Berrian and now that Walker is not on his team he thinks that Walker and Berrian are about even. I laughed that he was a Fantasy Homer if he thinks that Berrian is now equal to Walker now that Walker is not on his team and Berrian is. BJ's, sound like anyone we know?

He came back and said that the FBG rankings have Walker ahead of Colston so he has the majority on his side. I made the point that those rankings don't take into account out league rules. So I decided to do this poll and see what happens when given the option between these two guys given the league I'm in with Peens what FBG would say.

And the results are in. In a pure dynasty league where a player is on your team till you cut him or trade him, the majority would rather have Colston than Walker.

My biggest point was that in 5 years Walker will be redoing his contract in order to try to keep the a job as WR3 on the Broncos. In 5 years Colston will be in his prime and have many years left.....That and Walker really has only had a good year twice in his career. Sure, as a Clayton owner that went through my mind, but Clayton didn't have Brees throwing to him. And we all know that Brees will find a way to force the ball to his favorite WR whomever that is....

I traded for Walker from Peens team and I wouldn't trade you Walker for Colston, just as you wouldn't trade Colston for Walker. I think Walker is the more elite talent, but the Saints have the more proven QB. Having said that, I believe Cutler will be a Pro Bowl QB very soon. Add that with the fact that Walker is still young, I think Walker is the better dynasty player.

Actually, I think I made the point that in a redraft league I would take Walker all day long this year. I think that Colston will have some growing to do this year with no Joe Horn to help him on and off the field. And that Walker is still in his prime years. Colston is a couple years away. That being said. In 5 years Walker is going to be 33-34 and will not be a WR1 anymore. Colston will be a WR1 in 5 years and a few years beyond that. Barring injury and Colston becoming Clayton Part II....

Five years? Why are you looking so far down the road? Too many things could happen. I would take Walker and it's not close.

Says the guy with these WR's:

WR(3): T. Holt, J. Walker, K. Johnson, J Galloway, C. Henry, K. Washington, R. Curry, W Welker

I love Fantasy Homers. Hard as hell to trade with because of their blind love for guys on their teams but easy to spank every year as they hold onto guys too long.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Five years? Why are you looking so far down the road? Too many things could happen. I would take Walker and it's not close.

This is the correct answer.And even if you say it's not an Assistant Coach question does not just make it not an Assistant Coach question.

 

[TheFanatic]

Five years? Why are you looking so far down the road? Too many things could happen. I would take Walker and it's not close.

This is the correct answer.And even if you say it's not an Assistant Coach question does not just make it not an Assistant Coach question.

Reading comprehension down? I mentioned in the first post that the trade was already made, thus not an Assistant Coaches Forum question. I'm not asking for advice. I'm disputing something said on a league message board and have done so admirably....

 

[JohnnyU]

Five years? Why are you looking so far down the road? Too many things could happen. I would take Walker and it's not close.

This is the correct answer.And even if you say it's not an Assistant Coach question does not just make it not an Assistant Coach question.

It's not an ACF question.

 

[Chunky Soup]

How did you think this one would end up Fanatic?

Exactly like this. Just after the season ended I was offered my choice of WR for KJones. I could've taken Housh, Colston or another WR. Can't remember the 3rd. May have been Driver. With the possibility of KJones not playing at all or a good portion in 2007 I jumped on the deal. If someone else wanted to take that gamble and I could get value for KJones I was all over it. Having Addai, Gore, Edge, Droughns/Jacobs, (and Ricky), I felt I had the depth to do it.

After I make the trade a former FBG, Peens, who is in the league jumped all over me for not shopping KJ more. In particular that he would've given me Walker. I said I would rather have Colston. We went back and forth for a while about who was better. Then he traded away Walker and now has Berrian and now that Walker is not on his team he thinks that Walker and Berrian are about even. I laughed that he was a Fantasy Homer if he thinks that Berrian is now equal to Walker now that Walker is not on his team and Berrian is. BJ's, sound like anyone we know?

He came back and said that the FBG rankings have Walker ahead of Colston so he has the majority on his side. I made the point that those rankings don't take into account out league rules. So I decided to do this poll and see what happens when given the option between these two guys given the league I'm in with Peens what FBG would say.

And the results are in. In a pure dynasty league where a player is on your team till you cut him or trade him, the majority would rather have Colston than Walker.

My biggest point was that in 5 years Walker will be redoing his contract in order to try to keep the a job as WR3 on the Broncos. In 5 years Colston will be in his prime and have many years left.....That and Walker really has only had a good year twice in his career. Sure, as a Clayton owner that went through my mind, but Clayton didn't have Brees throwing to him. And we all know that Brees will find a way to force the ball to his favorite WR whomever that is....

I traded for Walker from Peens team and I wouldn't trade you Walker for Colston, just as you wouldn't trade Colston for Walker. I think Walker is the more elite talent, but the Saints have the more proven QB. Having said that, I believe Cutler will be a Pro Bowl QB very soon. Add that with the fact that Walker is still young, I think Walker is the better dynasty player.

Actually, I think I made the point that in a redraft league I would take Walker all day long this year. I think that Colston will have some growing to do this year with no Joe Horn to help him on and off the field. And that Walker is still in his prime years. Colston is a couple years away. That being said. In 5 years Walker is going to be 33-34 and will not be a WR1 anymore. Colston will be a WR1 in 5 years and a few years beyond that. Barring injury and Colston becoming Clayton Part II....

Five years? Why are you looking so far down the road? Too many things could happen. I would take Walker and it's not close.

Says the guy with these WR's:

WR(3): T. Holt, J. Walker, K. Johnson, J Galloway, C. Henry, K. Washington, R. Curry, W Welker

I love Fantasy Homers. Hard as hell to trade with because of their blind love for guys on their teams but easy to spank every year as they hold onto guys too long.

Is it too ridiculous that maybe he supports Walker so much that he drafted him too? I love when people automatically and blindly accuse people of this.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Five years? Why are you looking so far down the road? Too many things could happen. I would take Walker and it's not close.

This is the correct answer.And even if you say it's not an Assistant Coach question does not just make it not an Assistant Coach question.

Reading comprehension down? I mentioned in the first post that the trade was already made, thus not an Assistant Coaches Forum question. I'm not asking for advice. I'm disputing something said on a league message board and have done so admirably....

Reading comprehension down yourself - whether or not a trade has been made or not is irrelevant.Per JB:

The rule of thumb for the Shark Pool here is "Make it applicable to everyone". I hate to break it to you but most people in the Shark Pool don't care about your team. They care about football. If the focus of your post is your team, it won't work.

But good job covering it up - you got a lot of responses.

 

[TheFanatic]

Five years? Why are you looking so far down the road? Too many things could happen. I would take Walker and it's not close.

This is the correct answer.And even if you say it's not an Assistant Coach question does not just make it not an Assistant Coach question.

Reading comprehension down? I mentioned in the first post that the trade was already made, thus not an Assistant Coaches Forum question. I'm not asking for advice. I'm disputing something said on a league message board and have done so admirably....

Reading comprehension down yourself - whether or not a trade has been made or not is irrelevant.Per JB:

The rule of thumb for the Shark Pool here is "Make it applicable to everyone". I hate to break it to you but most people in the Shark Pool don't care about your team. They care about football. If the focus of your post is your team, it won't work.

But good job covering it up - you got a lot of responses.

This is not about my team. It's about ranking two guys according to a particular rule set. After TJones was traded to the Jets people asked who would do better Benson or Jones. Others pointed out that in a PPR league Jones would fair better. In other words league format was mentioned because it's hard to make blanket statements on what to expect out of a player without taking league rules into account. Same kind of deal. We see it all the time in the Shark Pool. We see in February guys asking for people to rank the top rookie RB's before they are even drafted. Guys with the 1.1 in the rookie draft always want to know this WAAAYYYY too early. There will be the inevitable question of who does better this year - Wayne or Harrison: is this the year Wayne finally unseats Marvin? I could go on and on.

If you think that all these type of posts need to be in the ACF then so be it. Considering you are the only person to post that after more than 1000 views and 180 votes then I would say you are in the minority on both your opinion of the post and of Walker. Got anything else there tough guy or are you gonna let me embarrass you some more?

 

[identikit]

As I see things, this post was/is fine where it is, in the Shark Pool. Rating and debating 2 WRs' rank/value in dynasty PPR FF leagues is legit. And informative.

Id

 

[metoo]

How did you think this one would end up Fanatic?

Exactly like this. Just after the season ended I was offered my choice of WR for KJones. I could've taken Housh, Colston or another WR. Can't remember the 3rd. May have been Driver. With the possibility of KJones not playing at all or a good portion in 2007 I jumped on the deal. If someone else wanted to take that gamble and I could get value for KJones I was all over it. Having Addai, Gore, Edge, Droughns/Jacobs, (and Ricky), I felt I had the depth to do it.

After I make the trade a former FBG, Peens, who is in the league jumped all over me for not shopping KJ more. In particular that he would've given me Walker. I said I would rather have Colston. We went back and forth for a while about who was better. Then he traded away Walker and now has Berrian and now that Walker is not on his team he thinks that Walker and Berrian are about even. I laughed that he was a Fantasy Homer if he thinks that Berrian is now equal to Walker now that Walker is not on his team and Berrian is. BJ's, sound like anyone we know?

He came back and said that the FBG rankings have Walker ahead of Colston so he has the majority on his side. I made the point that those rankings don't take into account out league rules. So I decided to do this poll and see what happens when given the option between these two guys given the league I'm in with Peens what FBG would say.

And the results are in. In a pure dynasty league where a player is on your team till you cut him or trade him, the majority would rather have Colston than Walker.

My biggest point was that in 5 years Walker will be redoing his contract in order to try to keep the a job as WR3 on the Broncos. In 5 years Colston will be in his prime and have many years left.....That and Walker really has only had a good year twice in his career. Sure, as a Clayton owner that went through my mind, but Clayton didn't have Brees throwing to him. And we all know that Brees will find a way to force the ball to his favorite WR whomever that is....

I traded for Walker from Peens team and I wouldn't trade you Walker for Colston, just as you wouldn't trade Colston for Walker. I think Walker is the more elite talent, but the Saints have the more proven QB. Having said that, I believe Cutler will be a Pro Bowl QB very soon. Add that with the fact that Walker is still young, I think Walker is the better dynasty player.

Actually, I think I made the point that in a redraft league I would take Walker all day long this year. I think that Colston will have some growing to do this year with no Joe Horn to help him on and off the field. And that Walker is still in his prime years. Colston is a couple years away. That being said. In 5 years Walker is going to be 33-34 and will not be a WR1 anymore. Colston will be a WR1 in 5 years and a few years beyond that. Barring injury and Colston becoming Clayton Part II....

Five years? Why are you looking so far down the road? Too many things could happen. I would take Walker and it's not close.

Says the guy with these WR's:

WR(3): T. Holt, J. Walker, K. Johnson, J Galloway, C. Henry, K. Washington, R. Curry, W Welker

I love Fantasy Homers. Hard as hell to trade with because of their blind love for guys on their teams but easy to spank every year as they hold onto guys too long.

Is it too ridiculous that maybe he supports Walker so much that he drafted him too? I love when people automatically and blindly accuse people of this.

You asked for opinions and I gave you mine. Yes I have Walker in one league. Would I trade Walker for Colston? The answer is no.

If I had Colston, would I trade him for Walker. Yes, I would.

I like Colston but not as much as Walker. Owning Walker has nothing to do with it.

 

[Daisuke Matsuzaka]

Michael Clayton down?

Take Walker.

 

[Blackjacks]

How did you think this one would end up Fanatic?

Exactly like this. Just after the season ended I was offered my choice of WR for KJones. I could've taken Housh, Colston or another WR. Can't remember the 3rd. May have been Driver. With the possibility of KJones not playing at all or a good portion in 2007 I jumped on the deal. If someone else wanted to take that gamble and I could get value for KJones I was all over it. Having Addai, Gore, Edge, Droughns/Jacobs, (and Ricky), I felt I had the depth to do it.

After I make the trade a former FBG, Peens, who is in the league jumped all over me for not shopping KJ more. In particular that he would've given me Walker. I said I would rather have Colston. We went back and forth for a while about who was better. Then he traded away Walker and now has Berrian and now that Walker is not on his team he thinks that Walker and Berrian are about even. I laughed that he was a Fantasy Homer if he thinks that Berrian is now equal to Walker now that Walker is not on his team and Berrian is. BJ's, sound like anyone we know?

He came back and said that the FBG rankings have Walker ahead of Colston so he has the majority on his side. I made the point that those rankings don't take into account out league rules. So I decided to do this poll and see what happens when given the option between these two guys given the league I'm in with Peens what FBG would say.

And the results are in. In a pure dynasty league where a player is on your team till you cut him or trade him, the majority would rather have Colston than Walker.

My biggest point was that in 5 years Walker will be redoing his contract in order to try to keep the a job as WR3 on the Broncos. In 5 years Colston will be in his prime and have many years left.....That and Walker really has only had a good year twice in his career. Sure, as a Clayton owner that went through my mind, but Clayton didn't have Brees throwing to him. And we all know that Brees will find a way to force the ball to his favorite WR whomever that is....

That does have a hint of "Knights" homerism to it.

No you nimrod, I was talking about the SilverShadow. He gets a guy and the guy is a sure fire top 5. As soon as he trades him away he's just mediocre....The funniest part of this whole debate is that I'm a Walker owner in our league. So while I don't see it as Colston is heads and shoulders better than Walker, but given the format of that league, Colston is the better choice. Sure he could be Clayton Redux and I lose out, but I took a chance....

I was just playing with you. I knew who you were talking about.

 

[Pipes]

Michael Clayton down?Take Walker.

Again WTF does Michael Clayton have to do with Marques Colston?I think I'm going to start comparing Colston to Randy Moss...it makes about as much sense.

 

[Chunky Soup]

Michael Clayton down?Take Walker.

:X Again WTF does Michael Clayton have to do with Marques Colston?I think I'm going to start comparing Colston to Randy Moss...it makes about as much sense.

Hes saying that sometimes rookie WRs play over their head and are overrated the next year. Sure, sometimes they don't turn out like that, but take your pick. Either way, its not a bad point.

 

[SSOG]

This is not a poor attempt to ask the Shark Pool who I should trade for. I made the trade already. Someone in the league is upset I didn't shop the player I traded away as he would've offered me the other WR in this poll. I don't want to tell you who I traded for to taint the results. The other owner thinks that his WR is much better and thinks that FBG.com will agree with him.

I just want to know which you would rather have in a PPR Pure Dynasty League (a guy is on your team till you trade him or cut him).

Who would you rather have? Walker or Colston?

Of the two, I'd much rather have Javon Walker, and it's not even close. I know we're coming perilously close to beating a dead Michael Clayton (errr... horse) here, but Clayton had 80/1193/7 in his first season (compared to 70/1038/8 for Colston), and 68/725/1 in the two seasons since. It's just riskier to make judgements based on one year's worth of data.

My biggest point was that in 5 years Walker will be redoing his contract in order to try to keep the a job as WR3 on the Broncos. In 5 years Colston will be in his prime and have many years left.....That and Walker really has only had a good year twice in his career. Sure, as a Clayton owner that went through my mind, but Clayton didn't have Brees throwing to him. And we all know that Brees will find a way to force the ball to his favorite WR whomever that is....

It's a little early to be talking 5 years down the road. Outside of the Shade of Clayton, Colston also has to contend with injury. He could very easily break his leg on the first play next season and never be the same ever again. If we look 5 years down the road, then why not 10 years down the road? I think Brian Westbrook will score more points than Ladanian Tomlinson over the next 10 seasons, so why not discuss him as the #1 fantasy RB in the league?Typically in Dynasty, you want to project a player's value over 3 seasons and re-evaluate every year as you go along. Put that way, do you honestly think that Colston will provide more points over the next 3 year than Walker will?

Fake Edit: I don't get you ragging on Dynasty Homers. So he owns Javon Walker, big deal? Maybe he's not a homer of his players, maybe he goes out and gets the players that he thinks are best, and Javon Walker happened to be one of them?

I mean, if I trade for Tomlinson, am I suddenly a homer if I say that Tomlinson is the best fantasy RB in the league? Or am I just practicing what I preach by putting my money where my mouth is and landing him? And isn't it hypocritical for you to be laughing at a fantasy homer, since YOU OWN MARQUES COLSTON and are therefore every bit as much of a fantasy homer as he is? Should we all point and laugh at you for thinking you're qualified to speak in this thread?

For the record, I don't own Javon Walker in any league. It's a good thing, too- apparently, if I did, my opinion on this matter wouldn't even be worth considering.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I think from what we know at this point, I would feel safer going with Walker and his proven track record versus Colston and his 1 year. Now, I am not saying Colston is going to turn into M. Clayton but even if Colston ends up putting up more fantasy points than Walker over the next while you are not SOL as you know what you are going to get out of Walker. Walker had a solid season last year playing with 2 different QB's in a brand new system having to over take the WR1. Therefore I know what I will get with Walker and even if may end up being less than Colston I will take the know versus the more unknown.

The other side of it is taking Colston and he ends up going into a sophmore slump and then ends up fading ala Clayton. I tend to side with the lesser risk guy and in this case it is Walker.

 

[Fodasme69]

What I don't understand is as soon as anyone mentions Colston they bring up M. Clayton. WHY? I do not understand WHY? Why not Boldin?

To be honest Colston does not compare to EITHER WR. Last I checked because it happens to Player A it does not mean Players B through Z will suffer the same fate. Each player is unique. Looking at the situation Colston is in I would see him as being a very good WR because he has a good QB and a team that likes to throw. Now if he was in Cle he'd be the same player he is now but the numbers won't be there because of the supporting cast.

Now back onto the topic, I voted Colston because I know what I'm getting from Walker. He's pretty much "reached his peak". He'll be around this years numbers (top 8-15) for possibly the next 4-7 years than start seeing the decline. Now Colston COULD be the next SUPER WR that will be a top 5 WR for 7-9 years or he could turn into a turd. I like his chances of being better than Walker in the long term or at least match him ranking wise; but for a longer period of time because of age.

 

[Daisuke Matsuzaka]

Michael Clayton down?Take Walker.

Again WTF does Michael Clayton have to do with Marques Colston?I think I'm going to start comparing Colston to Randy Moss...it makes about as much sense.

Hes saying that sometimes rookie WRs play over their head and are overrated the next year. Sure, sometimes they don't turn out like that, but take your pick. Either way, its not a bad point.

I'm not saying Colston IS or WILL be the next Michael Clayton. I'm simply trying to remind and caution people about going nuts over a young guy because he had one huge year. Saying Colston = M. Clayton would be unreasonable; but no more so than ignoring the possible similarities all togeher.