Jaworski on Cutler (1 Viewer)

[Chaos]

Cutler had a laughably bad day, 8 for 19 and 2 picks (I realize one of the picks wasn't his fault per se) and a TD.

Hi Jason,Here's where I can tell you've let the Cutler hate overshadow your good judgement. 8 for 19 with 1 TD and 1 interception that's your fault is nowhere near "laughably bad" in my book. Especially given that he had a great week of practice.

Wasn't great for sure, but I'd never go near calling that laughable.

J

Hmmm...well, first of all, I was wrong on two counts. He wasn't 8 for 19, he was 6 for 19, and he threw one INT, not two.http://www.seniorbowl.com/2006/news/2006se...ts.htm#GAME.IND

Let's compare Cutler's performance to that of other recent Senior Bowl passers...

J. Cutler -- 6 of 19 (31.6%), 69 yards (3.6 YPA), 1 TD, 1 INT
C. Whitehurst -- 7 of 9 (77.8%), 90 yards (10.0 YPA), 1 TD, 0 INT
B. Croyle -- 6 of 11 (54.5%), 77 yards (7.0 YPA), 1 TD, 1 INT
C. Frye -- 10 of 12 (83.3%), 138 Yards (11.5 YPA), 1 TD, 0 INTs
K. Orton -- 6 of 13 (46.2%), 51 Yards (3.9 YPA), 0 TD, 1 INT
D. Greene -- 11 of 16 (68.8%), 102 yards (6.4 YPA), 1 TD, 0 INTs
J. Campbell -- 9 of 13 (69.2%), 116 yards (8.9 YPA), 0 TD, 0 INTs
J. Navarre -- 12 of 22 (54.5%), 126 yards (5.7 YPA), 1 TD, 0 INTs
C. Pickett -- 9 of 13 (69.2%), 74 yards (5.7 YPA), 0 TD, 0 INTs
P. Rivers -- 12 of 19 (63.2%), 213 yards (11.2 YPA), 2 TDs, 0 INTs
J.P. Losman -- 5 of 11 (45.5%), 53 yards (4.8 YPA), 0 TDs, 0 INTsSo of the 11 QBs listed here..., half of which aren't even considered more than NFL career backups, Cutler's performance ranks...

Completion Percentage -- Dead Last
Yards per Attempt -- Dead Last
Yards per Completion -- 6th
TD:Int Ratio -- 6th (tied)Looks pretty dismal to me

Hey Jason,I still don't understand the passionate hate.

6 for 19 and 1 TD with 1 Int (his fault?) is "laughably bad"?

19 passes and the guy is a sure fire bust?

There must be something you're not telling us.

J

Joe,I think I've been readily consistent and open about my views on this kid for a long time..."something you're not telling us?" Unless you think I'm secretly working for Tom Condon behind your back, I'm not sure what that implies.

My dislike of Cutler relative to Young and Leinart extends far beyond his Senior Bowl performance, but that SPECIFIC critique was the issue LHUCKS and you brought to bear.

Again, maybe we interpret things differently but when a guy is ranking dead last in just about every measurable passing stat at a game that should have been his coronation, I would think the appropriate assessment is much closer to "laughable" than "wasn't great for sure."

Personally, I think what irks me about Cutler is that, save for a very few people (such as Chaos and yourself, being a Tennessee guy), there's this man love for Cutler that's a) completely unjustified and b) belies any relation to NFL draft history in terms of QBs that project as franchise signal callers.

I just don't see how anyone that's really being intellectually honest with themselves can suggest that you really and truly believe Jay Cutler projects as a better pro than Matt Leinart. Empirically where's the rationale?

What could Matt Leinart have possibly done better, other than come out last year when he would've been a lock QB1 with no debate. Can you honestly tell me that, all else being equal, you have fewer questions about Jay Cutler's ability to run an NFL pro style offense than Matt Leinart? Seriously?

hey, there is only one Chaos and its me! Don't get me confused with someone else with Chaos in his name.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Another thought. John Clayton was on this morning saying the Jets are favoring Cutler over Leinart. Although if both are available to them and they don't move from #4, they'll take Ferguson according to Clayton.

Cutler reportedly wowed the Jets people with his interview stuff.

FWIW.

J

I think that's how it's going to go down:1. Bush

2. Williams

3. Leinart/Young

4. Ferguson

FWIW Andy, Clayton seemed pretty convinced the Titans would go Young. Again, this is all guessing right now. J

Just about everyone in the media with good sources has Young to the Titans at this point. I'm a believer, but a draftnik in Nashville who posts an amazing amount of sound analysis is not convinced Cutler is out of the equation. He thinks my old thought that it's Chow who in fact doesn't care for Matt, may have some substance behind the scenes, despite all the reports that Chow loves Matt. It's all Young to the Titans in the last few days though.Cutler's chalk talk with the Jets was supposedly very very impressive. That seems to be his strength in interviews. He's bright and does his homework before visiting each team. In the Jets case, he came across considerably more football smart than Leinart according to anonymous sources. Cutler chalked it up with them for five hours. Leinart lasted just over two. Part of the drill is to see how long a prospect can deliver the goods mentally. They call it off when the guy wears down. Cutler wore them out.

I hear the Raiders want Leinart, and have tried to move into position, but putting a couple "if then" deals in place for Saturday. Cutler is as poised to go very early as he is to make a fall to the Vikings. If the Titans and Jets pass, then expect it.

 

[CA_7]

Hi Andy,

Yes, that is kind of odd. But to be fair, Vandy for whatever reason doesn't "feel" all that connected to Nashville. Especially Vandy football.

J

Just a side note:I was down in Nashville with some friends one summer and we were looking for a field to play football on. We went to Vanderbilt's stadium and found the gate wide open. The only people there were some immigrant clean up crew guys.

We played touch football on Vandy's field for over two hours. It was great!

Did you pretend you were Jay Cutler?

This was about 8 years ago.It was about 100 degress and 95% humidity. We walked three miles to get there and none of us brought water. We played the full field (wtf were we thinking?).

I'm surpised nobody got heat stroke. Seriously.

Vanderbilt is about the only place in the SEC where for any given home game 75% of the fans are rooting for the road team. I remember going to Bama, UT and Florida games and seeing their diehards take over the place. Fraternity boys (with their dates) roll in with jacket and tie in the 2nd quarter and leave by the 3rd.

 

[Jason Wood]

Another thought. John Clayton was on this morning saying the Jets are favoring Cutler over Leinart. Although if both are available to them and they don't move from #4, they'll take Ferguson according to Clayton.

Cutler reportedly wowed the Jets people with his interview stuff.

FWIW.

J

I think that's how it's going to go down:1. Bush

2. Williams

3. Leinart/Young

4. Ferguson

FWIW Andy, Clayton seemed pretty convinced the Titans would go Young. Again, this is all guessing right now. J

Hey Joe,All due respect to Clayton (you know I'm a fan), he doesn't know who Tennessee and New York are going to take any more than we are. He was speculating this morning, and played the old, "things could change by draft day" card to protect himself.

If you rounded Adam Schefter, Rich Eisen, Chris Mortensen, John Clayton, Len Pasquarelli, Peter King and another 20 pundits in a room, you'd get a different answer about how this 1st round will unfold from every one.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Another thought. John Clayton was on this morning saying the Jets are favoring Cutler over Leinart. Although if both are available to them and they don't move from #4, they'll take Ferguson according to Clayton.

Cutler reportedly wowed the Jets people with his interview stuff.

FWIW.

J

I think that's how it's going to go down:1. Bush

2. Williams

3. Leinart/Young

4. Ferguson

FWIW Andy, Clayton seemed pretty convinced the Titans would go Young. Again, this is all guessing right now. J

Just about everyone in the media with good sources has Young to the Titans at this point. I'm a believer, but a draftnik in Nashville who posts an amazing amount of sound analysis is not convinced Cutler is out of the equation. He thinks my old thought that it's Chow who in fact doesn't care for Matt, may have some substance behind the scenes, despite all the reports that Chow loves Matt. It's all Young to the Titans in the last few days though.Cutler's chalk talk with the Jets was supposedly very very impressive. That seems to be his strength in interviews. He's bright and does his homework before visiting each team. In the Jets case, he came across considerably more football smart than Leinart according to anonymous sources. Cutler chalked it up with them for five hours. Leinart lasted just over two. Part of the drill is to see how long a prospect can deliver the goods mentally. They call it off when the guy wears down. Cutler wore them out.

I hear the Raiders want Leinart, and have tried to move into position, but putting a couple "if then" deals in place for Saturday. Cutler is as poised to go very early as he is to make a fall to the Vikings. If the Titans and Jets pass, then expect it.

So isn't it likely we see:3) Titans - Young

4) Jets - Cutler

7) Raiders - Leinart

 

[Joe Bryant]

Another thought. John Clayton was on this morning saying the Jets are favoring Cutler over Leinart. Although if both are available to them and they don't move from #4, they'll take Ferguson according to Clayton.

Cutler reportedly wowed the Jets people with his interview stuff.

FWIW.

J

I think that's how it's going to go down:1. Bush

2. Williams

3. Leinart/Young

4. Ferguson

FWIW Andy, Clayton seemed pretty convinced the Titans would go Young. Again, this is all guessing right now. J

Just about everyone in the media with good sources has Young to the Titans at this point. I'm a believer, but a draftnik in Nashville who posts an amazing amount of sound analysis is not convinced Cutler is out of the equation. He thinks my old thought that it's Chow who in fact doesn't care for Matt, may have some substance behind the scenes, despite all the reports that Chow loves Matt. It's all Young to the Titans in the last few days though.Cutler's chalk talk with the Jets was supposedly very very impressive. That seems to be his strength in interviews. He's bright and does his homework before visiting each team. In the Jets case, he came across considerably more football smart than Leinart according to anonymous sources. Cutler chalked it up with them for five hours. Leinart lasted just over two. Part of the drill is to see how long a prospect can deliver the goods mentally. They call it off when the guy wears down. Cutler wore them out.

I hear the Raiders want Leinart, and have tried to move into position, but putting a couple "if then" deals in place for Saturday. Cutler is as poised to go very early as he is to make a fall to the Vikings. If the Titans and Jets pass, then expect it.

So isn't it likely we see:3) Titans - Young

4) Jets - Cutler

7) Raiders - Leinart

Hi CB,One thing I find interesting is that the real GMs are not all that different from us in that I'm not sure they have the guts to take Cutler at #4. The howling would be unreal. I mean we've seen it here. These guys are human. There are plenty of guys like Jason who will at a team picking Cutler. Sure, they're secure. But they also don't want to go out on a limb.

Ferguson is definitely the more palatable choice than taking Cutler over Leinart.

J

 

[Jason Wood]

Another thought. John Clayton was on this morning saying the Jets are favoring Cutler over Leinart. Although if both are available to them and they don't move from #4, they'll take Ferguson according to Clayton.

Cutler reportedly wowed the Jets people with his interview stuff.

FWIW.

J

I think that's how it's going to go down:1. Bush

2. Williams

3. Leinart/Young

4. Ferguson

FWIW Andy, Clayton seemed pretty convinced the Titans would go Young. Again, this is all guessing right now. J

Just about everyone in the media with good sources has Young to the Titans at this point. I'm a believer, but a draftnik in Nashville who posts an amazing amount of sound analysis is not convinced Cutler is out of the equation. He thinks my old thought that it's Chow who in fact doesn't care for Matt, may have some substance behind the scenes, despite all the reports that Chow loves Matt. It's all Young to the Titans in the last few days though.Cutler's chalk talk with the Jets was supposedly very very impressive. That seems to be his strength in interviews. He's bright and does his homework before visiting each team. In the Jets case, he came across considerably more football smart than Leinart according to anonymous sources. Cutler chalked it up with them for five hours. Leinart lasted just over two. Part of the drill is to see how long a prospect can deliver the goods mentally. They call it off when the guy wears down. Cutler wore them out.

I hear the Raiders want Leinart, and have tried to move into position, but putting a couple "if then" deals in place for Saturday. Cutler is as poised to go very early as he is to make a fall to the Vikings. If the Titans and Jets pass, then expect it.

So isn't it likely we see:3) Titans - Young

4) Jets - Cutler

7) Raiders - Leinart

Hi CB,One thing I find interesting is that the real GMs are not all that different from us in that I'm not sure they have the guts to take Cutler at #4. The howling would be unreal. I mean we've seen it here. These guys are human. There are plenty of guys like Jason who will at a team picking Cutler. Sure, they're secure. But they also don't want to go out on a limb.

Ferguson is definitely the more palatable choice than taking Cutler over Leinart.

J

Joe,I agree and wanted to elaborate on this point. For my money, give me a GM that makes calls that make me , honestly. While we Shark Poolers are fanatical about the NFL and like to feel as though we're aces when it comes to the draft, none of us are real scouts. Chaos Commish may feel very confident that Cutler is great and Leinart is riskier than people realize. I may feel that Cutler is a complete bust in waiting while Leinart is close to being "can't miss." But the truth is, neither of us know or have done 1/100th of the work the GMs and their personnel departments have done.

In my business, there are people who could/would pan investing in a company I may be a major shareholder in. Even if they're smart people I'm going to have the confidence that I've done my job well enough to buck the trend and reap the rewards. My job and compensation hinge on my ability to see through the consensus B.S. and find true opportunity.

So I will applaud the Jets if they take Cutler at 4 actually. Sure, I think it'll be a bad pick but you know what? They'll have impressed me for being willing to not bend to consensus. All too many NFL personnel guys would try to trade down to grab Cutler and, if they couldn't, would go in a different direction.

Another example is the Rivers/Eli situation. Say what you will about Ernie Accorsi but he made a bold move that wasn't well liked by many fans and pundits. He went ahead and said, "Eli is the guy", he said Eli was the kind of once in a generation talent that you had to take him and give up whatever was necessary to get him. That's a bold move. It would've been the much safer bet to take Rivers at 4, take guys with his other picks and let the cards fall where they may.

Ultimately, while we've been having some fun with each other the last week or so relative to Cutler, we all know that the "value" of each of these picks won't be fully determined for years to come. And the productivity of these QB prospects will be as much about their coaches, organizations, supporting casts, health and scheduling as any particular skill they possess or lack.

My $0.02

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Another thought. John Clayton was on this morning saying the Jets are favoring Cutler over Leinart. Although if both are available to them and they don't move from #4, they'll take Ferguson according to Clayton.

Cutler reportedly wowed the Jets people with his interview stuff.

FWIW.

J

I think that's how it's going to go down:1. Bush

2. Williams

3. Leinart/Young

4. Ferguson

FWIW Andy, Clayton seemed pretty convinced the Titans would go Young. Again, this is all guessing right now. J

Just about everyone in the media with good sources has Young to the Titans at this point. I'm a believer, but a draftnik in Nashville who posts an amazing amount of sound analysis is not convinced Cutler is out of the equation. He thinks my old thought that it's Chow who in fact doesn't care for Matt, may have some substance behind the scenes, despite all the reports that Chow loves Matt. It's all Young to the Titans in the last few days though.Cutler's chalk talk with the Jets was supposedly very very impressive. That seems to be his strength in interviews. He's bright and does his homework before visiting each team. In the Jets case, he came across considerably more football smart than Leinart according to anonymous sources. Cutler chalked it up with them for five hours. Leinart lasted just over two. Part of the drill is to see how long a prospect can deliver the goods mentally. They call it off when the guy wears down. Cutler wore them out.

I hear the Raiders want Leinart, and have tried to move into position, but putting a couple "if then" deals in place for Saturday. Cutler is as poised to go very early as he is to make a fall to the Vikings. If the Titans and Jets pass, then expect it.

So isn't it likely we see:3) Titans - Young

4) Jets - Cutler

7) Raiders - Leinart

Hi CB,One thing I find interesting is that the real GMs are not all that different from us in that I'm not sure they have the guts to take Cutler at #4. The howling would be unreal. I mean we've seen it here. These guys are human. There are plenty of guys like Jason who will at a team picking Cutler. Sure, they're secure. But they also don't want to go out on a limb.

Ferguson is definitely the more palatable choice than taking Cutler over Leinart.

J

Very true Joe. Whether it turns out that way, or should, is up to debate. But it seems, seems, like that is who you would match each of the 3 QBs with in terms of favorite QB. Whether Young should go at 3 or Cutler at 4, . But if I'm the Jets and I decide I want Cutler over Ferguson, then I wait until the Titans pick Young and then I get on the phone to Al Davis and try to trade down to 7 for Cutler and pick up some extra draft picks in the process.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Another thought. John Clayton was on this morning saying the Jets are favoring Cutler over Leinart. Although if both are available to them and they don't move from #4, they'll take Ferguson according to Clayton.

Cutler reportedly wowed the Jets people with his interview stuff.

FWIW.

J

I think that's how it's going to go down:1. Bush

2. Williams

3. Leinart/Young

4. Ferguson

FWIW Andy, Clayton seemed pretty convinced the Titans would go Young. Again, this is all guessing right now. J

Just about everyone in the media with good sources has Young to the Titans at this point. I'm a believer, but a draftnik in Nashville who posts an amazing amount of sound analysis is not convinced Cutler is out of the equation. He thinks my old thought that it's Chow who in fact doesn't care for Matt, may have some substance behind the scenes, despite all the reports that Chow loves Matt. It's all Young to the Titans in the last few days though.Cutler's chalk talk with the Jets was supposedly very very impressive. That seems to be his strength in interviews. He's bright and does his homework before visiting each team. In the Jets case, he came across considerably more football smart than Leinart according to anonymous sources. Cutler chalked it up with them for five hours. Leinart lasted just over two. Part of the drill is to see how long a prospect can deliver the goods mentally. They call it off when the guy wears down. Cutler wore them out.

I hear the Raiders want Leinart, and have tried to move into position, but putting a couple "if then" deals in place for Saturday. Cutler is as poised to go very early as he is to make a fall to the Vikings. If the Titans and Jets pass, then expect it.

So isn't it likely we see:3) Titans - Young

4) Jets - Cutler

7) Raiders - Leinart

Hi CB,One thing I find interesting is that the real GMs are not all that different from us in that I'm not sure they have the guts to take Cutler at #4. The howling would be unreal. I mean we've seen it here. These guys are human. There are plenty of guys like Jason who will at a team picking Cutler. Sure, they're secure. But they also don't want to go out on a limb.

Ferguson is definitely the more palatable choice than taking Cutler over Leinart.

J

Very true Joe. Whether it turns out that way, or should, is up to debate. But it seems, seems, like that is who you would match each of the 3 QBs with in terms of favorite QB. Whether Young should go at 3 or Cutler at 4, . But if I'm the Jets and I decide I want Cutler over Ferguson, then I wait until the Titans pick Young and then I get on the phone to Al Davis and try to trade down to 7 for Cutler and pick up some extra draft picks in the process.

This could be a really interesting first couple of hours. I just hope New Orleans takes a QB to throw everyone into a scramble. J

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Another thought. John Clayton was on this morning saying the Jets are favoring Cutler over Leinart. Although if both are available to them and they don't move from #4, they'll take Ferguson according to Clayton.

Cutler reportedly wowed the Jets people with his interview stuff.

FWIW.

J

I think that's how it's going to go down:1. Bush

2. Williams

3. Leinart/Young

4. Ferguson

FWIW Andy, Clayton seemed pretty convinced the Titans would go Young. Again, this is all guessing right now. J

Just about everyone in the media with good sources has Young to the Titans at this point. I'm a believer, but a draftnik in Nashville who posts an amazing amount of sound analysis is not convinced Cutler is out of the equation. He thinks my old thought that it's Chow who in fact doesn't care for Matt, may have some substance behind the scenes, despite all the reports that Chow loves Matt. It's all Young to the Titans in the last few days though.Cutler's chalk talk with the Jets was supposedly very very impressive. That seems to be his strength in interviews. He's bright and does his homework before visiting each team. In the Jets case, he came across considerably more football smart than Leinart according to anonymous sources. Cutler chalked it up with them for five hours. Leinart lasted just over two. Part of the drill is to see how long a prospect can deliver the goods mentally. They call it off when the guy wears down. Cutler wore them out.

I hear the Raiders want Leinart, and have tried to move into position, but putting a couple "if then" deals in place for Saturday. Cutler is as poised to go very early as he is to make a fall to the Vikings. If the Titans and Jets pass, then expect it.

So isn't it likely we see:3) Titans - Young

4) Jets - Cutler

7) Raiders - Leinart

Hi CB,One thing I find interesting is that the real GMs are not all that different from us in that I'm not sure they have the guts to take Cutler at #4. The howling would be unreal. I mean we've seen it here. These guys are human. There are plenty of guys like Jason who will at a team picking Cutler. Sure, they're secure. But they also don't want to go out on a limb.

Ferguson is definitely the more palatable choice than taking Cutler over Leinart.

J

Very true Joe. Whether it turns out that way, or should, is up to debate. But it seems, seems, like that is who you would match each of the 3 QBs with in terms of favorite QB. Whether Young should go at 3 or Cutler at 4, . But if I'm the Jets and I decide I want Cutler over Ferguson, then I wait until the Titans pick Young and then I get on the phone to Al Davis and try to trade down to 7 for Cutler and pick up some extra draft picks in the process.

This could be a really interesting first couple of hours. I just hope New Orleans takes a QB to throw everyone into a scramble. J

That would be fun!

 

[Rovers]

Another thought. John Clayton was on this morning saying the Jets are favoring Cutler over Leinart. Although if both are available to them and they don't move from #4, they'll take Ferguson according to Clayton.

Cutler reportedly wowed the Jets people with his interview stuff.

FWIW.

J

I think that's how it's going to go down:1. Bush

2. Williams

3. Leinart/Young

4. Ferguson

FWIW Andy, Clayton seemed pretty convinced the Titans would go Young. Again, this is all guessing right now. J

Just about everyone in the media with good sources has Young to the Titans at this point. I'm a believer, but a draftnik in Nashville who posts an amazing amount of sound analysis is not convinced Cutler is out of the equation. He thinks my old thought that it's Chow who in fact doesn't care for Matt, may have some substance behind the scenes, despite all the reports that Chow loves Matt. It's all Young to the Titans in the last few days though.Cutler's chalk talk with the Jets was supposedly very very impressive. That seems to be his strength in interviews. He's bright and does his homework before visiting each team. In the Jets case, he came across considerably more football smart than Leinart according to anonymous sources. Cutler chalked it up with them for five hours. Leinart lasted just over two. Part of the drill is to see how long a prospect can deliver the goods mentally. They call it off when the guy wears down. Cutler wore them out.

I hear the Raiders want Leinart, and have tried to move into position, but putting a couple "if then" deals in place for Saturday. Cutler is as poised to go very early as he is to make a fall to the Vikings. If the Titans and Jets pass, then expect it.

So isn't it likely we see:3) Titans - Young

4) Jets - Cutler

7) Raiders - Leinart

Hi CB,One thing I find interesting is that the real GMs are not all that different from us in that I'm not sure they have the guts to take Cutler at #4. The howling would be unreal. I mean we've seen it here. These guys are human. There are plenty of guys like Jason who will at a team picking Cutler. Sure, they're secure. But they also don't want to go out on a limb.

Ferguson is definitely the more palatable choice than taking Cutler over Leinart.

J

Joe,I agree and wanted to elaborate on this point. For my money, give me a GM that makes calls that make me , honestly. While we Shark Poolers are fanatical about the NFL and like to feel as though we're aces when it comes to the draft, none of us are real scouts. Chaos Commish may feel very confident that Cutler is great and Leinart is riskier than people realize. I may feel that Cutler is a complete bust in waiting while Leinart is close to being "can't miss." But the truth is, neither of us know or have done 1/100th of the work the GMs and their personnel departments have done.

In my business, there are people who could/would pan investing in a company I may be a major shareholder in. Even if they're smart people I'm going to have the confidence that I've done my job well enough to buck the trend and reap the rewards. My job and compensation hinge on my ability to see through the consensus B.S. and find true opportunity.

So I will applaud the Jets if they take Cutler at 4 actually. Sure, I think it'll be a bad pick but you know what? They'll have impressed me for being willing to not bend to consensus. All too many NFL personnel guys would try to trade down to grab Cutler and, if they couldn't, would go in a different direction.

Another example is the Rivers/Eli situation. Say what you will about Ernie Accorsi but he made a bold move that wasn't well liked by many fans and pundits. He went ahead and said, "Eli is the guy", he said Eli was the kind of once in a generation talent that you had to take him and give up whatever was necessary to get him. That's a bold move. It would've been the much safer bet to take Rivers at 4, take guys with his other picks and let the cards fall where they may.

Ultimately, while we've been having some fun with each other the last week or so relative to Cutler, we all know that the "value" of each of these picks won't be fully determined for years to come. And the productivity of these QB prospects will be as much about their coaches, organizations, supporting casts, health and scheduling as any particular skill they possess or lack.

My $0.02

Post of the week, Jason. Yeah, I'm on the Cutler bus, but I also realize I'm no pro scout. I watch these players as much as I can, but that really doesn't mean all that much. What the H do I know about exactly what to look for in a potential NFL QB other than the obvious stuff? That is why I listen to, and am more influenced by guys who study film, and know something about player evaluations. Yeah, I liked Cutler before he was a first round pick.... I was hoping the Jets would get him at 2.4 way back when. I still like him, even as high as fourth overall, but that is primarilly because I'm influenced by the Mayocks, Jaworski's and Simms' film study guys, much more than I am by the consensus draft guys like Clayton and Kiper.

And, I absolutely agree, especially when it comes to QB's, the situation they land in has a major impact on how well they ultimately work out. There are some really special ones that can overcome the odds in a bad situation, but they are few and far between.

 

[Joe Bryant]

And the productivity of these QB prospects will be as much about their coaches, organizations, supporting casts, health and scheduling as any particular skill they possess or lack.

My $0.02

Hey Buddy,Now don't be getting soft and start backpedaling with that business now....

You know when Cutler does well I'll be bumping the "But the wind was blowing SO hard" stuff.

And I'm sure I'll hear it from the gallery if he's anything less than Peyton Manning after 5 years.

Good stuff though.

J

 

[CA_7]

got this from the JI Message boards

Vanderbilt #19 passing offense in the nation

SEC passing offense, Vandy #1

SEC rushing offense....Cutler doesn't get much help from his run game...

NCAA player passing, Cutler #5

Cutler yards per game

SEC defensive rankings

passing efficiencey defense

-> notice national rank. 1 of the top 3 teams; 2 of the top 5 teams; 3 of the top 15; 4 of the top twenty; 6 of the top 30....

SEC total defense

-> notice the stat all the way on the right, national rank. 2 of the top 3 nationally; 4 of the top ten in the nation; 6 in the top 20; 9 in the top 35...

SEC passing defense, national rank

-> notice national rank. 2 of the top ten {3 in 11}; 4 of the top 15; 8 in the top 40.

PAC 10 defensive rankings

passing efficiencey defense, none in top 20

total defense, none in top 40!

pass defense, non in top 65 nationally!

Big 12 defensive rankings (now we have to subtract Texas from these b/c VY never played his own team - Texas is best in conf)

total defense, 2 in the top 15, 4 in the top 35

passing efficiency defense, 4 in top 20, 5 in top 21

passing defense, 1 in the top 15 nationally.

 

[Ridgelake]

Good stuff there, CA!

Just feeds my Cutler Kool-Aid some more!

 

[Footballhead]

I'll keep it simple with no comments: Cutler will turn out to be the best QB out of this draft for years to come.

 

[Iron_Far]

I'll keep it simple with no comments: Cutler will turn out to be the best QB out of this draft for years to come.

Unless Vince Young dies or something...

 

[cstu]

got this from the JI Message boards

Vanderbilt #19 passing offense in the nation

SEC passing offense, Vandy #1

SEC rushing offense....Cutler doesn't get much help from his run game...

NCAA player passing, Cutler #5

Cutler yards per game

SEC defensive rankings

passing efficiencey defense

-> notice national rank. 1 of the top 3 teams; 2 of the top 5 teams; 3 of the top 15; 4 of the top twenty; 6 of the top 30....

SEC total defense

-> notice the stat all the way on the right, national rank. 2 of the top 3 nationally; 4 of the top ten in the nation; 6 in the top 20; 9 in the top 35...

SEC passing defense, national rank

-> notice national rank. 2 of the top ten {3 in 11}; 4 of the top 15; 8 in the top 40.

PAC 10 defensive rankings

passing efficiencey defense, none in top 20

total defense, none in top 40!

pass defense, non in top 65 nationally!

Big 12 defensive rankings (now we have to subtract Texas from these b/c VY never played his own team - Texas is best in conf)

total defense, 2 in the top 15, 4 in the top 35

passing efficiency defense, 4 in top 20, 5 in top 21

passing defense, 1 in the top 15 nationally.

Again, this is why it's impossible to compare stats across difference conferences.

 

[CA_7]

Cutler already cutting it at QB

 

[redman]

Cutler already cutting it at QB

"Cutting it" = nice warm-up throws?

 

[Joe Bryant]

Cutler already cutting it at QB

"Cutting it" = nice warm-up throws?

I think he meant this part:

He showed up with a haircut straight out of a mid-1960s yearbook and an arm that attracted notice from a field away.

"In kind of a vet move, I was peeking over there and I saw him make some nice throws," safety John Lynch said.

All the articles in May are pretty much like this though.J

 

[Gold Plated Nails]

And the productivity of these QB prospects will be as much about their coaches, organizations, supporting casts, health and scheduling as any particular skill they possess or lack.

My $0.02

Hey Buddy,Now don't be getting soft and start backpedaling with that business now....

You know when Cutler does well I'll be bumping the "But the wind was blowing SO hard" stuff.

And I'm sure I'll hear it from the gallery if he's anything less than Peyton Manning after 5 years.

Good stuff though.

J

Lets get the bumping started. I watched the Donks game late night on the NFL network, anyone else catch Cutler. Preseason or not, he had the rifle firing.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Lets get the bumping started. I watched the Donks game late night on the NFL network, anyone else catch Cutler. Preseason or not, he had the rifle firing.

The deep touch pass for a TD was simply elegant. Considering most recent reports have made it sound like he's really struggling, I was surprised he looked as good as he did.

 

[Jason Wood]

And the productivity of these QB prospects will be as much about their coaches, organizations, supporting casts, health and scheduling as any particular skill they possess or lack.

My $0.02

Hey Buddy,Now don't be getting soft and start backpedaling with that business now....

You know when Cutler does well I'll be bumping the "But the wind was blowing SO hard" stuff.

And I'm sure I'll hear it from the gallery if he's anything less than Peyton Manning after 5 years.

Good stuff though.

J

Lets get the bumping started. I watched the Donks game late night on the NFL network, anyone else catch Cutler. Preseason or not, he had the rifle firing.

He looked good...but need we start a list of heroic performances by backup QBs? C'mon now...this argument will be settled in 2007 or 2008, not before.

 

[Joe Bryant]

A few more games like this though and they'll be talking about it in 2006... (From the guy that's said 20 times in the Daily Email Updates that Plummer has nothing to worry about this year)

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_4172126

Cutler steals show

Rookie displays his talent with 192 yards passing and one TD in Denver's preseason loss to Detroit.

By Mike Klis

Denver Post Staff Writer

Detroit - Nothing against Jake Plummer.

The Broncos' veteran quarterback played well, completing first-down passes and moving the first-team offense against a first-team defense in a one-drive night.

But explain again why the kid isn't supposed to play much this year?

If Jay Cutler represents the future, then the Broncos may have no choice but to deal with a quarterback dilemma in the present. Even if the Broncos lost their preseason opener to the Detroit Lions, 20-13 here Friday night at Ford Field, Cutler provided hope better days are ahead.

Playing all of the second quarter and most of the third, Cutler not only showed he could throw, but throw it downfield. He proved he can whip from the pocket, toss on the run and produce from a final-minute, hurry-up offense. He drilled passes to tight end and fellow rookie Tony Scheffler and he lofted a 26-yard touchdown pass to receiver David Kircus.

For his NFL preseason debut, Cutler completed 16-of-22 passes for 192 yards with a touchdown and no interceptions. Numbers like that are sure to get Broncoland yakking.

"Everyone's got to understand this is a preseason game, we're seeing basic defenses, it's a basic offense we're running," Cutler said. "There's a lot of guys who could have gone out there and did what I did today and move the ball and be successful against the stuff we were seeing. When the real NFL season starts flying, things change a little bit. The game picks up and things get a little bit more complex."

Cutler provided inspiration on an otherwise unimpressive performance by the Broncos, who were hurt by the absence of several key starters, a fumble by rookie running back Mike Bell, lapses on defense and the failure of the Bradlee Van Pelt-led third-string offense to convert a first-and-goal situation inside the two-minute warning.

snip

J

 

[GoL]

No way is there are QB controversy THIS year. Cutler did give the media plenty to talk about with his performance against the Lions but as he said

[q]"Everyone's got to understand this is a preseason game, we're seeing basic defenses, it's a basic offense we're running," Cutler said. "There's a lot of guys who could have gone out there and did what I did today and move the ball and be successful against the stuff we were seeing. When the real NFL season starts flying, things change a little bit. The game picks up and things get a little bit more complex." [/q]

Even if the reads were simplified Bronco fans have to love that he made the correct read almost every time. Passes looked crisp and the feet looked comfortable.