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Jeopardy Baby, Ooooh-ooh-oooooh (4 Viewers)

Wouldn't that also mean other contestants are more likely to find the DD since they typically start from the top and go down?

I wonder if some Jeopardy super fan has that documented somewhere... percentage of DD by dollar amount.  
I know there are stats out there.  They used to predominantly be at the $1200 and $1600 in DJ, IIRC.  I think they started moving around a bit more after Arthur Chu.  Here's a heatmap that I found from last year.

 
Back in the days of Art Fleming you could buzz in any time--and a lot of contestants were buzzing before there was time to read the clues, hoping they could answer based on the category alone.
Good stuff that I had forgotten. Yet I can't erase the memory of Wheel of Fortune winners being forced to buy that awful porcelain dog.

 
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He's like a savant or something,  on the spectrum for sure.

I read that Jennings won $2.5 million over 74 straight wins. This guy has almost a third that amount ($700k+) with what, 11 wins? Insane.

The Rain Man of Jeopardy.

 
The only way Ken beats him is if he beats him to the DDs... and then bets accordingly.  He'll then have to be prepared to bet everything on FJ and/or hope James gets it wrong.  

 
He missed a lot of questions last night--both mistakes and not ringing in.  I think KJ wins last night.

 
He missed a lot of questions last night--both mistakes and not ringing in.  I think KJ wins last night.
This was the last game of 5 in that day of taping. Ken was awesome at not getting fatigued, he very well may take the last 2 out of 5 games in a series.

 
He missed a lot of questions last night--both mistakes and not ringing in.  I think KJ wins last night.
But James is still averaging what...  over 2x KJ’s average winning. Last night wasn’t James’ strongest performance but look how he finished...  over $74k IIRC. And this was an “average” performance for James. Did KJ consistently score in James’ neighborhood, or is my memory, of his scoring mid- to high $30’s normally, accurate?  

I love watching James dominate the way he does. I’m officially on the James Train. 

 
But James is still averaging what...  over 2x KJ’s average winning. Last night wasn’t James’ strongest performance but look how he finished...  over $74k IIRC. And this was an “average” performance for James. Did KJ consistently score in James’ neighborhood, or is my memory, of his scoring mid- to high $30’s normally, accurate?  

I love watching James dominate the way he does. I’m officially on the James Train. 
Ken didn’t but Ken wasn’t playing to maximize profits.  They played different games and strategies.  

https://www.businessinsider.com/jeopardy-champions-ken-jennings-james-holzhauer-differences-2019-4

 
But James is still averaging what...  over 2x KJ’s average winning. Last night wasn’t James’ strongest performance but look how he finished...  over $74k IIRC. And this was an “average” performance for James. Did KJ consistently score in James’ neighborhood, or is my memory, of his scoring mid- to high $30’s normally, accurate?  

I love watching James dominate the way he does. I’m officially on the James Train. 
He won't get such high scores against better competition.  If he ever played KJ, KJ is as good on the button so most clues would be jump balls and any mistakes would be doubly costly. Lastly, DDs would likely decide the game and hitting them would come down to luck.

I don't know if James has the trivia knowledge of KJ--as I said, I was surprised last night at the mistakes and unanswered clues.  Who knows how he does with harder TOC material.

 
johnnycakes said:
But James is still averaging what...  over 2x KJ’s average winning. Last night wasn’t James’ strongest performance but look how he finished...  over $74k IIRC. And this was an “average” performance for James. Did KJ consistently score in James’ neighborhood, or is my memory, of his scoring mid- to high $30’s normally, accurate?  

I love watching James dominate the way he does. I’m officially on the James Train. 
80,006. He bested the previous single-game record in an off game.

 
This is probably a dumb question, but where does Sony/Jeopardy get all the money to pay these guys, especially now that the payouts are 5-6x normal?  Is it all just from ad revenue? 

 
Walking Boot said:
It costs a lot less to make a game show than most other types of TV shows. With comparable ratings, therefore comparable ad rates, it's a profitable enterprise.

I mean, normally you have five or six actors in a show that make $20,000 to $50,000 per episode so you're paying talent $100,000 to $300,000 per episode (not including super-big top-tier shows). The max Jeopardy has to pay out to their "cast" is like $130,000 per episode. Most of the time, without this guy, it's a lot less than that. 
True, I suppose Alex Trebek is comparable to a high level actor, and the folks that have to do the question making and those that are there to check questions are even to writers on other shows.

 
Its funny to think about all these people playing him, who are undoubtably among the smartest in their communities, holding watch parties for their big Jeopardy episode and everybody knowing the result going in. 

 
Its funny to think about all these people playing him, who are undoubtably among the smartest in their communities, holding watch parties for their big Jeopardy episode and everybody knowing the result going in. 
I don't think I'd tell anyone I was on if that happened to me.

 
imagine the effort to take the test, pass, go thru interviews and then practice games.  fly out to LA, deal with that traffic to get on the show and have the game over before alex interviews you at the first commercial break.

 
imagine the effort to take the test, pass, go thru interviews and then practice games.  fly out to LA, deal with that traffic to get on the show and have the game over before alex interviews you at the first commercial break.
i think most know it's over when Alex introduces the champ.

 
Anybody know what kind of dough the top sportsbooks would offer him to come to the other side?  They've got to be calling him.

He won't do it, he'll think he can, and probably will, make more exploiting bad lines.  

They already knew him before but now it's gonna be worse.  What does a bet-runner get paid working for him?

 
Anybody know what kind of dough the top sportsbooks would offer him to come to the other side?  They've got to be calling him.

He won't do it, he'll think he can, and probably will, make more exploiting bad lines.  

They already knew him before but now it's gonna be worse.  What does a bet-runner get paid working for him?
We have little/no info as to whether he's a good at sports betting.  I admit I haven't listened to all of his interviews but I don't think he's said or implied that he's breaking the casinos.  I guess the assumption is he's good because he does it for a living but most of those guys are a cold streak from being broke.

Why would he need a bet runner?  If you think the books don't want his action, I'd have a hard time believing that.  

 
He's said on jeopardy the books all know him, but reading online I don't get the impression he's been tagged as a "Sharp" or would need runners like Billy Walters did back in the day.

 
We have little/no info as to whether he's a good at sports betting.  I admit I haven't listened to all of his interviews but I don't think he's said or implied that he's breaking the casinos.  I guess the assumption is he's good because he does it for a living but most of those guys are a cold streak from being broke.

Why would he need a bet runner?  If you think the books don't want his action, I'd have a hard time believing that.  
Oh I guarantee he's good at it.  You can tell he's super calculated.  When he was asked if the casinos know him out there, he said yep.  

This guy is not your typical degen.  And the type of wagering he's exploiting, is exactly what the books would rather have on their side.  He looks for odds-maker's mistakes.

 
Oh I guarantee he's good at it.  You can tell he's super calculated.  When he was asked if the casinos know him out there, he said yep.  

This guy is not your typical degen.  And the type of wagering he's exploiting, is exactly what the books would rather have on their side.  He looks for odds-maker's mistakes.
I don't know a lot about it but find it hard to believe you can make a decent living making bets where the casino got the line wrong--thinking about it, I don't really even know what it means to get a line wrong.  I am also skeptical anyone can make it longterm taking the vig into account.  Again, I am not in that world at all and consider myself a below average sports bettor.

 
I don't know a lot about it but find it hard to believe you can make a decent living making bets where the casino got the line wrong--thinking about it, I don't really even know what it means to get a line wrong.  I am also skeptical anyone can make it longterm taking the vig into account.  Again, I am not in that world at all and consider myself a below average sports bettor.
Of course it's difficult, but to think there isn't a single person that has the ability to do so is insane.

 
I don't know a lot about it but find it hard to believe you can make a decent living making bets where the casino got the line wrong--thinking about it, I don't really even know what it means to get a line wrong.  I am also skeptical anyone can make it longterm taking the vig into account.  Again, I am not in that world at all and consider myself a below average sports bettor.
He said he started with baseball.  Which is all about numbers obviously, right in his wheelhouse.  But now he's moved onto that because he wasn't finding much value anymore.  Larger markets are harder to exploit, as you know.  Now he's betting in-game stuff.  Live betting.  Where an oddsmaker decides on a line in a matter of seconds.  There is definitely human error to exploit in that kind of betting, if you are on top of it.  Much smaller market, too, which begets value opportunities left and right.  Not easy, but if you have a mind like he does, and discipline, you can make a living at it.  

Few have what it takes.  But I have no doubt he's the type that can making a living at it.  They're calling him, for sure.

 
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If you follow live betting lines during games, it is pretty ridiculous. In the tournament Michigan State was +9 to Duke at one point because duke went on a mini-run. It was a hilariously bad line and I’m sure it got slammed. 

 
the rate at which he is apparently winning the race to the buzzer seems ..... fishy.

most of these contestants seem to be incredibly smart, or at least well studied for the game so it's not that he's smarter than everyone else. he's timing the buzzer in such a way that it feels...... unusual.

:tinfoilhat:

 
True, I suppose Alex Trebek is comparable to a high level actor, and the folks that have to do the question making and those that are there to check questions are even to writers on other shows.
Alex makes $10M/year

Pat Sajak makes $12M and Vanna White makes $8M

this was a quick google search so numbers may have changed slightly but in those ranges 

 
the rate at which he is apparently winning the race to the buzzer seems ..... fishy.

most of these contestants seem to be incredibly smart, or at least well studied for the game so it's not that he's smarter than everyone else. he's timing the buzzer in such a way that it feels...... unusual.

:tinfoilhat:
The Ringer had a pretty good story last week on his buzzer timing.  He did a lot of practice before he even got on the show, and studied the buzzer positioning/habits of others.

 
The Ringer had a pretty good story last week on his buzzer timing.  He did a lot of practice before he even got on the show, and studied the buzzer positioning/habits of others.
a chain is only strong as its weakest link

"The moment he finishes, a dedicated Jeopardy! staffer sitting at the judges’ table just offstage—Michael Harris, who also serves as one of the show’s writers—manually activates a switch that illuminates blue lights alongside the outer edges of the Jeopardy! board."

and i see in the article he fashioned a shank in case someone gets wise to his scheming. keeps those nerds in fear. real power move.

all this make me wonder what McTanner did in prep for his star turn and just how far up this conspiracy goes.

 
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the rate at which he is apparently winning the race to the buzzer seems ..... fishy.

most of these contestants seem to be incredibly smart, or at least well studied for the game so it's not that he's smarter than everyone else. he's timing the buzzer in such a way that it feels...... unusual.

:tinfoilhat:
He’s a gambler. He knows everybody there is smart so he found the 2% on the margins and is hammering it. Good for him. 

 
i'm getting pretty deep on this topic today and starting to turn up some interesting theories. hard to argue some of this stuff, people.

"Okay, so the three contestants on each episode of Jeopardy! embody the conflicting forces of Past, Present, and Future, who are waging an eternal war for dominance over the universe’s matter and energy.

The podiums they stand behind are the looms that weave the tapestry of existence, and the board is the spinning wheel that forms the thread of possibility.

TIME HAS NO DIRECTIONALITY. 

All of history is forever happening simultaneously; therefore, the questions on the board can quiz the contestants on any object from throughout space-time, ranging from World Capitals to Authors By Middle Name. Time innately flows neither forward nor backward; instead, entropy is governed by whichever challenger earns the most cash. Cause and effect are meaningless, and answers precede their own questions. 

The balancing force that prevents any of the Time Kings from triumphing is Alex Trebek, the immortal Trickster who wields his cunning intellect and omniscient knowledge to equalize entropy-power between the three temporal deities. A contestant like Great Threat Ken Jennings may hold the upper hand for a few days or weeks, but eventually they will be defeated. Upon their defeat, the Trickster will banish their current avatar and force them to create a new body. Trebek is chaos incarnate, the cackling jester who continually destroys and remakes the universe to prevent the stasis death of space-time.

Morality ≠ Choice! Ethics are the fifth dimension of space-time coordinates. Each universe has its own Past, Present, and Future competing on that universe’s Jeopardy!,but there is only one Alex Trebek, who exists in all universes at once and asks the same questions. Usually, the 666 universes are fully separate, but during the DAILY DOUBLE, a doorway opens, and you can cross into another realm, or that realm’s denizens can enter our world.

History’s greatest heroes and monsters, including Genghis Khan, Florence Nightingale, and Henry Ford, are all extraplanar invaders from universes higher or lower on the moral spectrum who crossed over during the wager."

 
Holzhauer in his own words:

“If I don’t know anything about a subject I go to the library and I check out the most basic-level book about the subject, the most basic-level children’s book about the subject,” Holzhauer said. “Filled with lots of pictures, really easy to read, and get to the basics of it. And really it gets you interested. That’s really the whole point of the children’s library — to get you interested in things you would never think of.”

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