Jerome Simpson (1 Viewer)

[Packers]

Was wondering what everyone thought of him. With Ochocinco gone I'm wondering if he gets a bump up in value. Dalton may be in there and that may hurt, but he's shown he has talent and I'm wondering if drafting him in my rookie/FA draft is worth it or if drafting a true rookie WR is better.

Does anyone think he can get to 60 catches and 600 yards? That may be pushing it I know but I've seen the projections that say so.

 

[notdarkyet]

I think if you are rostering any Bengals you are in trouble. This is going to be an astronomically horrible season. Yes, I am a Bengals fan. Don't ask why. I don't know.

 

[cvnpoka]

id take the over on those projections, but i dont project injuries as definitively as most. i dont think hes a good fit in that offense tho. hes a big, go up and git it type and i doubt hes near green in that skillset and, if im not mistaking, gruden runs a dink and dunk precision west coach type thing.

 

[Packers]

notdarkyet---sorry for your miserable team> ...

I get the offense doesn't fit, but he is the 2nd best WR right. If Dalton becomes something or if Palmer does come back then his value has to go up. I just don't know if I should take him over a rookie if I can get him at 2.09. If he falls to 3.09 I may have to nab him up.

 

[Captain Hook]

notdarkyet---sorry for your miserable team> ...

I get the offense doesn't fit, but he is the 2nd best WR right?

Green and Shipley would strongly disagree.....and I side with them

 

[notdarkyet]

notdarkyet---sorry for your miserable team> ...

I get the offense doesn't fit, but he is the 2nd best WR right?

Green and Shipley would strongly disagree.....and I side with them

Ok, so if Green and Shipley are fighting over #2 in your scenario... who is #1?

 

[notdarkyet]

notdarkyet---sorry for your miserable team> ...

Thanks. At least my FF teams tend to not suck.

 

[Phantom Knight]

notdarkyet---sorry for your miserable team> ...

I get the offense doesn't fit, but he is the 2nd best WR right?

Green and Shipley would strongly disagree.....and I side with them

Ok, so if Green and Shipley are fighting over #2 in your scenario... who is #1?

He means #1 and #2 fall between Green and Shipley and therefore Simpson is #3.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I think Simpson is the guy to own here...especially for 2011

 

[JuSt CuZ]

I'm not drafting a Bengal no matter what round or whos available. No possible way they can have anyone who will do anything with the crap around them.

AJ Green in the 15th? Nope I'll pass, a rookie on the Bengals? nope, a double whammy!

 

[sihaokills]

I'm not drafting a Bengal no matter what round or whos available. No possible way they can have anyone who will do anything with the crap around them.AJ Green in the 15th? Nope I'll pass, a rookie on the Bengals? nope, a double whammy!

 

[bengalbuck]

I've given my opinion on Simpson in a couple other threads, but I'll throw it out there again as a Bengals fan.

I think he ends up with about 50 catches for 750 yards and 6 TDs. He'll put up a healthy YPC and score some TDs, but I doubt he has a big reception total. He's a much more attractive sleeper in standard scoring leagues in my opinion because he's a real threat in the red zone.

Shipley will get more catches (65 or so) but have less yards and fewer TDs. No value in standard, but definitely has some sleeper potential in PPR.

AJ Green will step in as the #1 WR immediately and have a much better season than many seem to think. I'll predict 75 catches, 950 yards, 9 TDs.

Gresham should put up solid numbers, but I suspect they'll fall just short of the top 12. Maybe TE15 or so with 55-650-5.

I understand people trying to avoid the Bengals in fantasy, but I think its a mistake. The schedule is much easier than last year. The defense will likely be pretty mediocre, but that just means they'll be behind a lot and could put up some garbage time numbers trying to come back. I also think there's a lot more talent at WR/TE than people realize.

 

[baconisgood]

I've given my opinion on Simpson in a couple other threads, but I'll throw it out there again as a Bengals fan.I think he ends up with about 50 catches for 750 yards and 6 TDs. He'll put up a healthy YPC and score some TDs, but I doubt he has a big reception total. He's a much more attractive sleeper in standard scoring leagues in my opinion because he's a real threat in the red zone.Shipley will get more catches (65 or so) but have less yards and fewer TDs. No value in standard, but definitely has some sleeper potential in PPR. AJ Green will step in as the #1 WR immediately and have a much better season than many seem to think. I'll predict 75 catches, 950 yards, 9 TDs.Gresham should put up solid numbers, but I suspect they'll fall just short of the top 12. Maybe TE15 or so with 55-650-5.I understand people trying to avoid the Bengals in fantasy, but I think its a mistake. The schedule is much easier than last year. The defense will likely be pretty mediocre, but that just means they'll be behind a lot and could put up some garbage time numbers trying to come back. I also think there's a lot more talent at WR/TE than people realize.

Haha. You just predicted 20 TDs for Bengals WRs without any TEs or RBs or 4 WRs getting them. Bruce Gradkowski has thrown exactly 20 career TDs in 680 career attempts.

 

[LHUCKS]

Great sleeper IF Palmer is playing, mild sleeper with the other dung at QB

 

[bengalbuck]

I've given my opinion on Simpson in a couple other threads, but I'll throw it out there again as a Bengals fan.I think he ends up with about 50 catches for 750 yards and 6 TDs. He'll put up a healthy YPC and score some TDs, but I doubt he has a big reception total. He's a much more attractive sleeper in standard scoring leagues in my opinion because he's a real threat in the red zone.Shipley will get more catches (65 or so) but have less yards and fewer TDs. No value in standard, but definitely has some sleeper potential in PPR. AJ Green will step in as the #1 WR immediately and have a much better season than many seem to think. I'll predict 75 catches, 950 yards, 9 TDs.Gresham should put up solid numbers, but I suspect they'll fall just short of the top 12. Maybe TE15 or so with 55-650-5.I understand people trying to avoid the Bengals in fantasy, but I think its a mistake. The schedule is much easier than last year. The defense will likely be pretty mediocre, but that just means they'll be behind a lot and could put up some garbage time numbers trying to come back. I also think there's a lot more talent at WR/TE than people realize.

Haha. You just predicted 20 TDs for Bengals WRs without any TEs or RBs or 4 WRs getting them. Bruce Gradkowski has thrown exactly 20 career TDs in 680 career attempts.

Jermaine Gresham plays TE champ.And Gradkowski isn't likely to be the starter.

 

[Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub]

AJ Green will step in as the #1 WR immediately and have a much better season than many seem to think. I'll predict 75 catches, 950 yards, 9 TDs.Gresham should put up solid numbers, but I suspect they'll fall just short of the top 12. Maybe TE15 or so with 55-650-5.

Carson coming back??Bengals WR's combined won't end up with 9 TD's. No shot he ends up close to 1000 yards.Gresham is the only Bengal receiver that will approach being startable. TE15 isn't a bad guess

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I'm game. He looked like he turned a corner late last year. question is who's the qb?

 

[Touchdown There]

I'm game. He looked like he turned a corner late last year. question is who's the qb?

GET KYLE ORTON! ORTON TO SIMPSON ALL DAY!

 

[baconisgood]

I've given my opinion on Simpson in a couple other threads, but I'll throw it out there again as a Bengals fan.I think he ends up with about 50 catches for 750 yards and 6 TDs. He'll put up a healthy YPC and score some TDs, but I doubt he has a big reception total. He's a much more attractive sleeper in standard scoring leagues in my opinion because he's a real threat in the red zone.Shipley will get more catches (65 or so) but have less yards and fewer TDs. No value in standard, but definitely has some sleeper potential in PPR. AJ Green will step in as the #1 WR immediately and have a much better season than many seem to think. I'll predict 75 catches, 950 yards, 9 TDs.Gresham should put up solid numbers, but I suspect they'll fall just short of the top 12. Maybe TE15 or so with 55-650-5.I understand people trying to avoid the Bengals in fantasy, but I think its a mistake. The schedule is much easier than last year. The defense will likely be pretty mediocre, but that just means they'll be behind a lot and could put up some garbage time numbers trying to come back. I also think there's a lot more talent at WR/TE than people realize.

Haha. You just predicted 20 TDs for Bengals WRs without any TEs or RBs or 4 WRs getting them. Bruce Gradkowski has thrown exactly 20 career TDs in 680 career attempts.

Jermaine Gresham plays TE champ.And Gradkowski isn't likely to be the starter.

Well if your not counting on Gradkowski being the starter your even more hopeless. Ryan had 16 his rookie season, Stafford 13 in 10 games, Sanchez 12, Josh Freeman 10, Flacco 14, Roethlisberger 17. Basically unless your name is Peyton Manning or Dan Marino you aren't trowing a ton of TDs your rookie season.

 

[QuizGuy66]

In the scheme of things, Simpson's really the #2 wideout (assuming is green is #1) in the sense that he and Green will be the outside guys and will get more of the deep throw/big play type stuff. Shipley is the possession guy - as mentioned above, he'd be in line for more receptions but not longer ones. Gradkowski at QB would be better for his stock, IMO, in the short run. Caldwell as the #4 will be certainly in the 4-receiver sets and it's possible that he'll bump up if the other guys struggle.

Gresham will be the top receiving threat this year, IMO. He's going to be getting the better match-ups in a system that's going to value a TE more than the Bengals have traditionally. If Dalton's in, Gresham will serve as a safety valve a lot. I don't know the stats on Gradkowski's usage of TEs, though I can see the same still being the case with him.

One thing to bear in mind is that the Bengals plan to be run-oriented this year (akin to '09). This is something that will lead to Caldwell and Simpson getting on the field more I believe (both have developed into good run-blockers). If Green does not pick up run blocking he may get slightly less play than advertised.

In terms of fantasy, I think Gresham is the best fantasy option out of all of them. I think that Green and Simpson are good late round stabs. Same goes for Shipley in a PPR league. Caldwell is rosterable in jumbo-sized leagues as probably a last round or next-to-last round type (like 14-teamers).

-QG

 

[therokie0070]

I've given my opinion on Simpson in a couple other threads, but I'll throw it out there again as a Bengals fan.I think he ends up with about 50 catches for 750 yards and 6 TDs. He'll put up a healthy YPC and score some TDs, but I doubt he has a big reception total. He's a much more attractive sleeper in standard scoring leagues in my opinion because he's a real threat in the red zone.Shipley will get more catches (65 or so) but have less yards and fewer TDs. No value in standard, but definitely has some sleeper potential in PPR. AJ Green will step in as the #1 WR immediately and have a much better season than many seem to think. I'll predict 75 catches, 950 yards, 9 TDs.Gresham should put up solid numbers, but I suspect they'll fall just short of the top 12. Maybe TE15 or so with 55-650-5.I understand people trying to avoid the Bengals in fantasy, but I think its a mistake. The schedule is much easier than last year. The defense will likely be pretty mediocre, but that just means they'll be behind a lot and could put up some garbage time numbers trying to come back. I also think there's a lot more talent at WR/TE than people realize.

Haha. You just predicted 20 TDs for Bengals WRs without any TEs or RBs or 4 WRs getting them. Bruce Gradkowski has thrown exactly 20 career TDs in 680 career attempts.

Jermaine Gresham plays TE champ.And Gradkowski isn't likely to be the starter.

Well if your not counting on Gradkowski being the starter your even more hopeless. Ryan had 16 his rookie season, Stafford 13 in 10 games, Sanchez 12, Josh Freeman 10, Flacco 14, Roethlisberger 17. Basically unless your name is Peyton Manning or Dan Marino you aren't trowing a ton of TDs your rookie season.

don't want to burst your bubble but if Sam Bradford can throw 18 TD his rookie year with the WR he had anything is possible!! Dalton and Gradowski will have twice the receiving corp Bradford had with Green, shipley, simpson and Gresham!!! 15-20 passing TD is not unrealistic so I think people are blowing this way out of proportion!!

 

[De Novo]

I've given my opinion on Simpson in a couple other threads, but I'll throw it out there again as a Bengals fan.I think he ends up with about 50 catches for 750 yards and 6 TDs. He'll put up a healthy YPC and score some TDs, but I doubt he has a big reception total. He's a much more attractive sleeper in standard scoring leagues in my opinion because he's a real threat in the red zone.Shipley will get more catches (65 or so) but have less yards and fewer TDs. No value in standard, but definitely has some sleeper potential in PPR. AJ Green will step in as the #1 WR immediately and have a much better season than many seem to think. I'll predict 75 catches, 950 yards, 9 TDs.Gresham should put up solid numbers, but I suspect they'll fall just short of the top 12. Maybe TE15 or so with 55-650-5.I understand people trying to avoid the Bengals in fantasy, but I think its a mistake. The schedule is much easier than last year. The defense will likely be pretty mediocre, but that just means they'll be behind a lot and could put up some garbage time numbers trying to come back. I also think there's a lot more talent at WR/TE than people realize.

Haha. You just predicted 20 TDs for Bengals WRs without any TEs or RBs or 4 WRs getting them. Bruce Gradkowski has thrown exactly 20 career TDs in 680 career attempts.

Jermaine Gresham plays TE champ.And Gradkowski isn't likely to be the starter.

If I assume Shipley gets 5 TDs (which I would say is slightly less than 6), that's 20. With Gresham, that's 25 TDs for Bengals QBs. While I think that's possible, I think it's very unlikely.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Considering how impressive Simpson was in his two starts last year, I am surprised so many people are writing him off. He seems like a lock to start. I can't imagine why people would rather have Shipley. He won't see the field unless they run 3 WR sets. Gradkowski isn't the greatest QB around, but his fantasy numbers haven't been all that bad. He had 250+ passing yards in 3 of his 5 starts last year and one of the games he didn't was against the Steelers. The Bengals also have far better skill players than the Raiders. Simpson will likely be really cheap in drafts and there is plenty of upside...more than enough to take a chance.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

And Gradkowski isn't likely to be the starter.

I think he is a virtual lock to start in week 1, especially with no OTAs. There is a reason that none of the rookies (outside of Newton) are not starting and it's the lack of OTAs. Dalton is not going to be prepared to start in week 1. I do think Dalton starts later in the year, but the Bengals have no reason to put him out there before he is ready. Gradkowski isn't the greatest QB, but he is a serviceable short-term starter.

 

[JuSt CuZ]

I've given my opinion on Simpson in a couple other threads, but I'll throw it out there again as a Bengals fan.I think he ends up with about 50 catches for 750 yards and 6 TDs. He'll put up a healthy YPC and score some TDs, but I doubt he has a big reception total. He's a much more attractive sleeper in standard scoring leagues in my opinion because he's a real threat in the red zone.Shipley will get more catches (65 or so) but have less yards and fewer TDs. No value in standard, but definitely has some sleeper potential in PPR. AJ Green will step in as the #1 WR immediately and have a much better season than many seem to think. I'll predict 75 catches, 950 yards, 9 TDs.Gresham should put up solid numbers, but I suspect they'll fall just short of the top 12. Maybe TE15 or so with 55-650-5.I understand people trying to avoid the Bengals in fantasy, but I think its a mistake. The schedule is much easier than last year. The defense will likely be pretty mediocre, but that just means they'll be behind a lot and could put up some garbage time numbers trying to come back. I also think there's a lot more talent at WR/TE than people realize.

Haha. You just predicted 20 TDs for Bengals WRs without any TEs or RBs or 4 WRs getting them. Bruce Gradkowski has thrown exactly 20 career TDs in 680 career attempts.

Jermaine Gresham plays TE champ.And Gradkowski isn't likely to be the starter.

If I assume Shipley gets 5 TDs (which I would say is slightly less than 6), that's 20. With Gresham, that's 25 TDs for Bengals QBs. While I think that's possible, I think it's very unlikely.

A rookie or Gradkowski throwing 25 TDs? seriously dude? seriously? On a team that destroyed any ability to win this offseason, you think they weill score 25 tds or more thru the air playing Pitt and balt twice?

 

[baconisgood]

I've given my opinion on Simpson in a couple other threads, but I'll throw it out there again as a Bengals fan.I think he ends up with about 50 catches for 750 yards and 6 TDs. He'll put up a healthy YPC and score some TDs, but I doubt he has a big reception total. He's a much more attractive sleeper in standard scoring leagues in my opinion because he's a real threat in the red zone.Shipley will get more catches (65 or so) but have less yards and fewer TDs. No value in standard, but definitely has some sleeper potential in PPR. AJ Green will step in as the #1 WR immediately and have a much better season than many seem to think. I'll predict 75 catches, 950 yards, 9 TDs.Gresham should put up solid numbers, but I suspect they'll fall just short of the top 12. Maybe TE15 or so with 55-650-5.I understand people trying to avoid the Bengals in fantasy, but I think its a mistake. The schedule is much easier than last year. The defense will likely be pretty mediocre, but that just means they'll be behind a lot and could put up some garbage time numbers trying to come back. I also think there's a lot more talent at WR/TE than people realize.

Haha. You just predicted 20 TDs for Bengals WRs without any TEs or RBs or 4 WRs getting them. Bruce Gradkowski has thrown exactly 20 career TDs in 680 career attempts.

Jermaine Gresham plays TE champ.And Gradkowski isn't likely to be the starter.

Well if your not counting on Gradkowski being the starter your even more hopeless. Ryan had 16 his rookie season, Stafford 13 in 10 games, Sanchez 12, Josh Freeman 10, Flacco 14, Roethlisberger 17. Basically unless your name is Peyton Manning or Dan Marino you aren't trowing a ton of TDs your rookie season.

don't want to burst your bubble but if Sam Bradford can throw 18 TD his rookie year with the WR he had anything is possible!! Dalton and Gradowski will have twice the receiving corp Bradford had with Green, shipley, simpson and Gresham!!! 15-20 passing TD is not unrealistic so I think people are blowing this way out of proportion!!

The projections I was mocking were for well over 20 TDs.

 

[JuSt CuZ]

I've given my opinion on Simpson in a couple other threads, but I'll throw it out there again as a Bengals fan.I think he ends up with about 50 catches for 750 yards and 6 TDs. He'll put up a healthy YPC and score some TDs, but I doubt he has a big reception total. He's a much more attractive sleeper in standard scoring leagues in my opinion because he's a real threat in the red zone.Shipley will get more catches (65 or so) but have less yards and fewer TDs. No value in standard, but definitely has some sleeper potential in PPR. AJ Green will step in as the #1 WR immediately and have a much better season than many seem to think. I'll predict 75 catches, 950 yards, 9 TDs.Gresham should put up solid numbers, but I suspect they'll fall just short of the top 12. Maybe TE15 or so with 55-650-5.I understand people trying to avoid the Bengals in fantasy, but I think its a mistake. The schedule is much easier than last year. The defense will likely be pretty mediocre, but that just means they'll be behind a lot and could put up some garbage time numbers trying to come back. I also think there's a lot more talent at WR/TE than people realize.

Haha. You just predicted 20 TDs for Bengals WRs without any TEs or RBs or 4 WRs getting them. Bruce Gradkowski has thrown exactly 20 career TDs in 680 career attempts.

Jermaine Gresham plays TE champ.And Gradkowski isn't likely to be the starter.

Well if your not counting on Gradkowski being the starter your even more hopeless. Ryan had 16 his rookie season, Stafford 13 in 10 games, Sanchez 12, Josh Freeman 10, Flacco 14, Roethlisberger 17. Basically unless your name is Peyton Manning or Dan Marino you aren't trowing a ton of TDs your rookie season.

don't want to burst your bubble but if Sam Bradford can throw 18 TD his rookie year with the WR he had anything is possible!! Dalton and Gradowski will have twice the receiving corp Bradford had with Green, shipley, simpson and Gresham!!! 15-20 passing TD is not unrealistic so I think people are blowing this way out of proportion!!

Bradford >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dalton+GradkowskiI mean after all he was the #1 pick for a reason. lolSo that realy dont make your point.

 

[Touchdown There]

Considering how impressive Simpson was in his two starts last year, I am surprised so many people are writing him off. He seems like a lock to start. I can't imagine why people would rather have Shipley. He won't see the field unless they run 3 WR sets. Gradkowski isn't the greatest QB around, but his fantasy numbers haven't been all that bad. He had 250+ passing yards in 3 of his 5 starts last year and one of the games he didn't was against the Steelers. The Bengals also have far better skill players than the Raiders. Simpson will likely be really cheap in drafts and there is plenty of upside...more than enough to take a chance.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Phantom Knight]

Simpson will likely be really cheap in drafts and there is plenty of upside...more than enough to take a chance.

This is pretty much where I fall in as well. I am not seeking any of the Bengals with the exception of Green (keeper/dynasty). However odds are he will go before he drops to my comfort level. Simpson/Shipley on the other hand could conceivable drop to the point where I would see enough value to grab. You could do a whole lot worse for WR5/WR6 or even WR4.

 

[saintfool]

Considering how impressive Simpson was in his two starts last year, I am surprised so many people are writing him off. He seems like a lock to start. I can't imagine why people would rather have Shipley. He won't see the field unless they run 3 WR sets. Gradkowski isn't the greatest QB around, but his fantasy numbers haven't been all that bad. He had 250+ passing yards in 3 of his 5 starts last year and one of the games he didn't was against the Steelers. The Bengals also have far better skill players than the Raiders. Simpson will likely be really cheap in drafts and there is plenty of upside...more than enough to take a chance.

exactly. i also think the bengals will be *really* bad. lots of garbage time for green and simpson to pad their stats.

 

[rjv]

notdarkyet---sorry for your miserable team> ...

I get the offense doesn't fit, but he is the 2nd best WR right?

Green and Shipley would strongly disagree.....and I side with them

Ok, so if Green and Shipley are fighting over #2 in your scenario... who is #1?

He means #1 and #2 fall between Green and Shipley and therefore Simpson is #3.

In a ppr league im taking Shipley all day

 

[De Novo]

I've given my opinion on Simpson in a couple other threads, but I'll throw it out there again as a Bengals fan.I think he ends up with about 50 catches for 750 yards and 6 TDs. He'll put up a healthy YPC and score some TDs, but I doubt he has a big reception total. He's a much more attractive sleeper in standard scoring leagues in my opinion because he's a real threat in the red zone.Shipley will get more catches (65 or so) but have less yards and fewer TDs. No value in standard, but definitely has some sleeper potential in PPR. AJ Green will step in as the #1 WR immediately and have a much better season than many seem to think. I'll predict 75 catches, 950 yards, 9 TDs.Gresham should put up solid numbers, but I suspect they'll fall just short of the top 12. Maybe TE15 or so with 55-650-5.I understand people trying to avoid the Bengals in fantasy, but I think its a mistake. The schedule is much easier than last year. The defense will likely be pretty mediocre, but that just means they'll be behind a lot and could put up some garbage time numbers trying to come back. I also think there's a lot more talent at WR/TE than people realize.

Haha. You just predicted 20 TDs for Bengals WRs without any TEs or RBs or 4 WRs getting them. Bruce Gradkowski has thrown exactly 20 career TDs in 680 career attempts.

Jermaine Gresham plays TE champ.And Gradkowski isn't likely to be the starter.

If I assume Shipley gets 5 TDs (which I would say is slightly less than 6), that's 20. With Gresham, that's 25 TDs for Bengals QBs. While I think that's possible, I think it's very unlikely.

A rookie or Gradkowski throwing 25 TDs? seriously dude? seriously? On a team that destroyed any ability to win this offseason, you think they weill score 25 tds or more thru the air playing Pitt and balt twice?

Read more carefully next time. I wasn't suggesting they would throw for 25.

 

[bengalbuck]

I've given my opinion on Simpson in a couple other threads, but I'll throw it out there again as a Bengals fan.I think he ends up with about 50 catches for 750 yards and 6 TDs. He'll put up a healthy YPC and score some TDs, but I doubt he has a big reception total. He's a much more attractive sleeper in standard scoring leagues in my opinion because he's a real threat in the red zone.Shipley will get more catches (65 or so) but have less yards and fewer TDs. No value in standard, but definitely has some sleeper potential in PPR. AJ Green will step in as the #1 WR immediately and have a much better season than many seem to think. I'll predict 75 catches, 950 yards, 9 TDs.Gresham should put up solid numbers, but I suspect they'll fall just short of the top 12. Maybe TE15 or so with 55-650-5.I understand people trying to avoid the Bengals in fantasy, but I think its a mistake. The schedule is much easier than last year. The defense will likely be pretty mediocre, but that just means they'll be behind a lot and could put up some garbage time numbers trying to come back. I also think there's a lot more talent at WR/TE than people realize.

Haha. You just predicted 20 TDs for Bengals WRs without any TEs or RBs or 4 WRs getting them. Bruce Gradkowski has thrown exactly 20 career TDs in 680 career attempts.

Jermaine Gresham plays TE champ.And Gradkowski isn't likely to be the starter.

If I assume Shipley gets 5 TDs (which I would say is slightly less than 6), that's 20. With Gresham, that's 25 TDs for Bengals QBs. While I think that's possible, I think it's very unlikely.

A rookie or Gradkowski throwing 25 TDs? seriously dude? seriously? On a team that destroyed any ability to win this offseason, you think they weill score 25 tds or more thru the air playing Pitt and balt twice?

Read more carefully next time. I wasn't suggesting they would throw for 25.

Why is anyone assuming Shipley is going to catch 5 TDs and then using that awful assumption as part of complaining about how the Bengals won't throw that many TDs as a team?This makes no sense to me at all....

 

[therokie0070]

I've given my opinion on Simpson in a couple other threads, but I'll throw it out there again as a Bengals fan.I think he ends up with about 50 catches for 750 yards and 6 TDs. He'll put up a healthy YPC and score some TDs, but I doubt he has a big reception total. He's a much more attractive sleeper in standard scoring leagues in my opinion because he's a real threat in the red zone.Shipley will get more catches (65 or so) but have less yards and fewer TDs. No value in standard, but definitely has some sleeper potential in PPR. AJ Green will step in as the #1 WR immediately and have a much better season than many seem to think. I'll predict 75 catches, 950 yards, 9 TDs.Gresham should put up solid numbers, but I suspect they'll fall just short of the top 12. Maybe TE15 or so with 55-650-5.I understand people trying to avoid the Bengals in fantasy, but I think its a mistake. The schedule is much easier than last year. The defense will likely be pretty mediocre, but that just means they'll be behind a lot and could put up some garbage time numbers trying to come back. I also think there's a lot more talent at WR/TE than people realize.

Haha. You just predicted 20 TDs for Bengals WRs without any TEs or RBs or 4 WRs getting them. Bruce Gradkowski has thrown exactly 20 career TDs in 680 career attempts.

Jermaine Gresham plays TE champ.And Gradkowski isn't likely to be the starter.

Well if your not counting on Gradkowski being the starter your even more hopeless. Ryan had 16 his rookie season, Stafford 13 in 10 games, Sanchez 12, Josh Freeman 10, Flacco 14, Roethlisberger 17. Basically unless your name is Peyton Manning or Dan Marino you aren't trowing a ton of TDs your rookie season.

don't want to burst your bubble but if Sam Bradford can throw 18 TD his rookie year with the WR he had anything is possible!! Dalton and Gradowski will have twice the receiving corp Bradford had with Green, shipley, simpson and Gresham!!! 15-20 passing TD is not unrealistic so I think people are blowing this way out of proportion!!

Bradford >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dalton+GradkowskiI mean after all he was the #1 pick for a reason. lolSo that realy dont make your point.

Yes Bradford is better by a mile but the talent around Dalton/Gradkowski is>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>better than Bradford last year!! So all I am saying is one the Marino/peyton comment is lame and it would not be hard for either dalton/grdski to throw more than 15 TD in 16 games (might have 20 INT) with their supporting cast. If Bengals are smart they will go 1-15 and draft Luck and then we can talk Peyton/Marino type rookie years!!!

 

[JuSt CuZ]

I've given my opinion on Simpson in a couple other threads, but I'll throw it out there again as a Bengals fan.

I think he ends up with about 50 catches for 750 yards and 6 TDs. He'll put up a healthy YPC and score some TDs, but I doubt he has a big reception total. He's a much more attractive sleeper in standard scoring leagues in my opinion because he's a real threat in the red zone.

Shipley will get more catches (65 or so) but have less yards and fewer TDs. No value in standard, but definitely has some sleeper potential in PPR.

AJ Green will step in as the #1 WR immediately and have a much better season than many seem to think. I'll predict 75 catches, 950 yards, 9 TDs.

Gresham should put up solid numbers, but I suspect they'll fall just short of the top 12. Maybe TE15 or so with 55-650-5.

I understand people trying to avoid the Bengals in fantasy, but I think its a mistake. The schedule is much easier than last year. The defense will likely be pretty mediocre, but that just means they'll be behind a lot and could put up some garbage time numbers trying to come back. I also think there's a lot more talent at WR/TE than people realize.

Haha. You just predicted 20 TDs for Bengals WRs without any TEs or RBs or 4 WRs getting them. Bruce Gradkowski has thrown exactly 20 career TDs in 680 career attempts.

Jermaine Gresham plays TE champ.And Gradkowski isn't likely to be the starter.

Well if your not counting on Gradkowski being the starter your even more hopeless. Ryan had 16 his rookie season, Stafford 13 in 10 games, Sanchez 12, Josh Freeman 10, Flacco 14, Roethlisberger 17. Basically unless your name is Peyton Manning or Dan Marino you aren't trowing a ton of TDs your rookie season.

don't want to burst your bubble but if Sam Bradford can throw 18 TD his rookie year with the WR he had anything is possible!! Dalton and Gradowski will have twice the receiving corp Bradford had with Green, shipley, simpson and Gresham!!! 15-20 passing TD is not unrealistic so I think people are blowing this way out of proportion!!

Bradford >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dalton+GradkowskiI mean after all he was the #1 pick for a reason. lol

So that realy dont make your point.

Yes Bradford is better by a mile but the talent around Dalton/Gradkowski is>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>better than Bradford last year!! So all I am saying is one the Marino/peyton comment is lame and it would not be hard for either dalton/grdski to throw more than 15 TD in 16 games (might have 20 INT) with their supporting cast. If Bengals are smart they will go 1-15 and draft Luck and then we can talk Peyton/Marino type rookie years!!!

lol, if those people cant get him the ball whats the point?Hold on, Larry Fitz is calling....

Yup, he just said a crappy QB didnt help him and he has all the talent in the world.

 

[therokie0070]

I've given my opinion on Simpson in a couple other threads, but I'll throw it out there again as a Bengals fan.

I think he ends up with about 50 catches for 750 yards and 6 TDs. He'll put up a healthy YPC and score some TDs, but I doubt he has a big reception total. He's a much more attractive sleeper in standard scoring leagues in my opinion because he's a real threat in the red zone.

Shipley will get more catches (65 or so) but have less yards and fewer TDs. No value in standard, but definitely has some sleeper potential in PPR.

AJ Green will step in as the #1 WR immediately and have a much better season than many seem to think. I'll predict 75 catches, 950 yards, 9 TDs.

Gresham should put up solid numbers, but I suspect they'll fall just short of the top 12. Maybe TE15 or so with 55-650-5.

I understand people trying to avoid the Bengals in fantasy, but I think its a mistake. The schedule is much easier than last year. The defense will likely be pretty mediocre, but that just means they'll be behind a lot and could put up some garbage time numbers trying to come back. I also think there's a lot more talent at WR/TE than people realize.

Haha. You just predicted 20 TDs for Bengals WRs without any TEs or RBs or 4 WRs getting them. Bruce Gradkowski has thrown exactly 20 career TDs in 680 career attempts.

Jermaine Gresham plays TE champ.And Gradkowski isn't likely to be the starter.

Well if your not counting on Gradkowski being the starter your even more hopeless. Ryan had 16 his rookie season, Stafford 13 in 10 games, Sanchez 12, Josh Freeman 10, Flacco 14, Roethlisberger 17. Basically unless your name is Peyton Manning or Dan Marino you aren't trowing a ton of TDs your rookie season.

don't want to burst your bubble but if Sam Bradford can throw 18 TD his rookie year with the WR he had anything is possible!! Dalton and Gradowski will have twice the receiving corp Bradford had with Green, shipley, simpson and Gresham!!! 15-20 passing TD is not unrealistic so I think people are blowing this way out of proportion!!

Bradford >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dalton+GradkowskiI mean after all he was the #1 pick for a reason. lol

So that realy dont make your point.

Yes Bradford is better by a mile but the talent around Dalton/Gradkowski is>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>better than Bradford last year!! So all I am saying is one the Marino/peyton comment is lame and it would not be hard for either dalton/grdski to throw more than 15 TD in 16 games (might have 20 INT) with their supporting cast. If Bengals are smart they will go 1-15 and draft Luck and then we can talk Peyton/Marino type rookie years!!!

lol, if those people cant get him the ball whats the point?Hold on, Larry Fitz is calling....

Yup, he just said a crappy QB didnt help him and he has all the talent in the world.

another Bad example other than Fitz who was the surrounding cast? Hmmmm can you say easy read for D, not to mention all the injuries Arz was facing!!

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

And Gradkowski isn't likely to be the starter.

I think he is a virtual lock to start in week 1, especially with no OTAs. There is a reason that none of the rookies (outside of Newton) are not starting and it's the lack of OTAs. Dalton is not going to be prepared to start in week 1. I do think Dalton starts later in the year, but the Bengals have no reason to put him out there before he is ready. Gradkowski isn't the greatest QB, but he is a serviceable short-term starter.

I think Gradkowski is much bette than people give him credit fo. He is a black version of Jeff garcia/rick Gannon. Guys who for years got no respect whenever they succeeded and were consistently passed over. If he is given the gig I think the odds are good he doesn't give it up this year absent injury (which is not a low probabilty given his playing style).

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I've given my opinion on Simpson in a couple other threads, but I'll throw it out there again as a Bengals fan.I think he ends up with about 50 catches for 750 yards and 6 TDs. He'll put up a healthy YPC and score some TDs, but I doubt he has a big reception total. He's a much more attractive sleeper in standard scoring leagues in my opinion because he's a real threat in the red zone.Shipley will get more catches (65 or so) but have less yards and fewer TDs. No value in standard, but definitely has some sleeper potential in PPR. AJ Green will step in as the #1 WR immediately and have a much better season than many seem to think. I'll predict 75 catches, 950 yards, 9 TDs.Gresham should put up solid numbers, but I suspect they'll fall just short of the top 12. Maybe TE15 or so with 55-650-5.I understand people trying to avoid the Bengals in fantasy, but I think its a mistake. The schedule is much easier than last year. The defense will likely be pretty mediocre, but that just means they'll be behind a lot and could put up some garbage time numbers trying to come back. I also think there's a lot more talent at WR/TE than people realize.

Haha. You just predicted 20 TDs for Bengals WRs without any TEs or RBs or 4 WRs getting them. Bruce Gradkowski has thrown exactly 20 career TDs in 680 career attempts.

Jermaine Gresham plays TE champ.And Gradkowski isn't likely to be the starter.

If I assume Shipley gets 5 TDs (which I would say is slightly less than 6), that's 20. With Gresham, that's 25 TDs for Bengals QBs. While I think that's possible, I think it's very unlikely.

A rookie or Gradkowski throwing 25 TDs? seriously dude? seriously? On a team that destroyed any ability to win this offseason, you think they weill score 25 tds or more thru the air playing Pitt and balt twice?

25 td;s is a litle more than 1.5 a game. Gradkowski easily gets that if he starts 16 games.

 

[Touchdown There]

He is a black version of Jeff garcia/rick Gannon.

I think he is Polish and tan.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Trying to get somewhat back on topic here - what do you think of his dynasty value? Solid prospect long-term opposite Green with a developing Dalton?

 

[bengalbuck]

Trying to get somewhat back on topic here - what do you think of his dynasty value? Solid prospect long-term opposite Green with a developing Dalton?

Yes. I wouldn't overvalue him, but he's a solid guy to have in deeper leagues. To put it in context, in a normal startup draft (12 teams) with rookies included, I personally think his value falls somewhere in the 11-13th round range. He has real upside because he is a freak of an athlete, but he is also a guy going into his 4th year with 21 career catches. Also, he is an unrestricted FA after this upcoming season. I suspect he'll probably be retained by the Bengals, but it all depends and he could easily leave. I'd say value him based on how talented you think he is vs. his situation, because his situation is only guaranteed for the next 4 months and he could end up anywhere next season.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

but he is also a guy going into his 4th year with 21 career catches.

That's pretty much par for the course for even very talented WRs coming out of small schools. Vincent Jackson (71 through three years), Donald Driver (37) and Miles Austin (18) all did little until their fourth season. Garcon's a bit ahead of schedule - having shown pretty strong in year three (118 overall).The only small school guy I can think of who had an immediate impact is Colston. Unless you want to consider Marshall c. 1998 small-school in which case you could add Randy Moss.IMO Simpson (and Garcon) are screaming buys if you can get them at this point.

 

[baconisgood]

I've given my opinion on Simpson in a couple other threads, but I'll throw it out there again as a Bengals fan.I think he ends up with about 50 catches for 750 yards and 6 TDs. He'll put up a healthy YPC and score some TDs, but I doubt he has a big reception total. He's a much more attractive sleeper in standard scoring leagues in my opinion because he's a real threat in the red zone.Shipley will get more catches (65 or so) but have less yards and fewer TDs. No value in standard, but definitely has some sleeper potential in PPR. AJ Green will step in as the #1 WR immediately and have a much better season than many seem to think. I'll predict 75 catches, 950 yards, 9 TDs.Gresham should put up solid numbers, but I suspect they'll fall just short of the top 12. Maybe TE15 or so with 55-650-5.I understand people trying to avoid the Bengals in fantasy, but I think its a mistake. The schedule is much easier than last year. The defense will likely be pretty mediocre, but that just means they'll be behind a lot and could put up some garbage time numbers trying to come back. I also think there's a lot more talent at WR/TE than people realize.

Haha. You just predicted 20 TDs for Bengals WRs without any TEs or RBs or 4 WRs getting them. Bruce Gradkowski has thrown exactly 20 career TDs in 680 career attempts.

Jermaine Gresham plays TE champ.And Gradkowski isn't likely to be the starter.

If I assume Shipley gets 5 TDs (which I would say is slightly less than 6), that's 20. With Gresham, that's 25 TDs for Bengals QBs. While I think that's possible, I think it's very unlikely.

A rookie or Gradkowski throwing 25 TDs? seriously dude? seriously? On a team that destroyed any ability to win this offseason, you think they weill score 25 tds or more thru the air playing Pitt and balt twice?

25 td;s is a litle more than 1.5 a game. Gradkowski easily gets that if he starts 16 games.

I'll take the under- can we spread bet? Gradkowski has 20 tds in 680 career attempts. As for Gradkowski being Rich Gannon or Jeff Garcia- Garcia was a pro bowler in his second year and gannon wasn't relevant until well after he was thirty. One isn't a good comp at all and the other is a scary comp at best.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I've given my opinion on Simpson in a couple other threads, but I'll throw it out there again as a Bengals fan.I think he ends up with about 50 catches for 750 yards and 6 TDs. He'll put up a healthy YPC and score some TDs, but I doubt he has a big reception total. He's a much more attractive sleeper in standard scoring leagues in my opinion because he's a real threat in the red zone.Shipley will get more catches (65 or so) but have less yards and fewer TDs. No value in standard, but definitely has some sleeper potential in PPR. AJ Green will step in as the #1 WR immediately and have a much better season than many seem to think. I'll predict 75 catches, 950 yards, 9 TDs.Gresham should put up solid numbers, but I suspect they'll fall just short of the top 12. Maybe TE15 or so with 55-650-5.I understand people trying to avoid the Bengals in fantasy, but I think its a mistake. The schedule is much easier than last year. The defense will likely be pretty mediocre, but that just means they'll be behind a lot and could put up some garbage time numbers trying to come back. I also think there's a lot more talent at WR/TE than people realize.

Haha. You just predicted 20 TDs for Bengals WRs without any TEs or RBs or 4 WRs getting them. Bruce Gradkowski has thrown exactly 20 career TDs in 680 career attempts.

Jermaine Gresham plays TE champ.And Gradkowski isn't likely to be the starter.

If I assume Shipley gets 5 TDs (which I would say is slightly less than 6), that's 20. With Gresham, that's 25 TDs for Bengals QBs. While I think that's possible, I think it's very unlikely.

A rookie or Gradkowski throwing 25 TDs? seriously dude? seriously? On a team that destroyed any ability to win this offseason, you think they weill score 25 tds or more thru the air playing Pitt and balt twice?

25 td;s is a litle more than 1.5 a game. Gradkowski easily gets that if he starts 16 games.

I'll take the under- can we spread bet? Gradkowski has 20 tds in 680 career attempts. As for Gradkowski being Rich Gannon or Jeff Garcia- Garcia was a pro bowler in his second year and gannon wasn't relevant until well after he was thirty. One isn't a good comp at all and the other is a scary comp at best.

I would take the under 25 TDs too...but when looking at Gradkowski's career numbers, don't ignore the fact that he has never had much to work with with regards to skill players. His career numbers by themselves don't tell the whole story. I'm not saying he is great by any stretch, but he is serviceable enough to bridge the gap to Dalton. If he starts all 16 games, I don't think 20 TDs is out of the question. His

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I think Gradkowski is much bette than people give him credit fo. He is a black version of Jeff garcia/rick Gannon.

http://www.post-gazette.com/images4/20060501rr_gradkowski_PJ02_450.jpg

 

[HellToupee]

I think Gradkowski is much bette than people give him credit fo. He is a black version of Jeff garcia/rick Gannon.

http://www.post-gazette.com/images4/20060501rr_gradkowski_PJ02_450.jpg

The Polish Cannon

 

[sportsmonkey_j]

I believe the original question somewhere was should he take Simpson in the second or even third round of a rookie draft. I say Yes!

Look at who will be left on the board. At 2.11(assuming it's a 12 team league?) you're talking about the 23rd overall pick.

There will likely be a qb Or two left (caepernick, Dalton), maybe one worthwhile RB (Helu), the top TEs (kendricks, Rudolph) and then the only Wrs available are probably a Gates or Young. If your WR need is greater than other position needs I'd take Simpson over the others two Wrs. It could take them both several years to make an impact.

 

[Couch Potato]

As for Gradkowski being Rich Gannon or Jeff Garcia- Garcia was a pro bowler in his second year and gannon wasn't relevant until well after he was thirty. One isn't a good comp at all and the other is a scary comp at best.

Garcia was 29 before he entered the NFL, and made the Pro Bowl at 30. He played 5 years in Canada before the NFL and was an all-star four of those years. So, "in his second year" is pretty misleading.

 

[QuizGuy66]

I believe the original question somewhere was should he take Simpson in the second or even third round of a rookie draft. I say Yes! Look at who will be left on the board. At 2.11(assuming it's a 12 team league?) you're talking about the 23rd overall pick. There will likely be a qb Or two left (caepernick, Dalton), maybe one worthwhile RB (Helu), the top TEs (kendricks, Rudolph) and then the only Wrs available are probably a Gates or Young. If your WR need is greater than other position needs I'd take Simpson over the others two Wrs. It could take them both several years to make an impact.

Um, Simpson's not a rookie though. -QG

 

[mcd]

As for Gradkowski being Rich Gannon or Jeff Garcia- Garcia was a pro bowler in his second year and gannon wasn't relevant until well after he was thirty. One isn't a good comp at all and the other is a scary comp at best.

Gannon was 29 before he entered the NFL, and made the Pro Bowl at 30. He played 5 years in Canada before the NFL and was an all-star four of those years. So, "in his second year" is pretty misleading.

Assume your talking about Garcia, as I don't remember Gannon being in the CFL.