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Jets RB hunt continues (1 Viewer)
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I hate to say it, but given the play in the media about a potential Jets trade during the last month, you should have seen this coming. And given how bad the situation is anyway - with a learning o-line and the crowded backfield - he was a pretty large risk anyway.But depending upon who was left in your draft and how the earlier picks you had went, I wouldn't necessarily call it a waste.
SteelerMurf
Footballguy
I think during the draft, Duckett would have gone for a 3rd to the Steelers. Steelers didn't want to part with that. First 3 picks are golden in the NFL. They seem useless to us as fans, but heck even Culpepper was had for a 2nd.3rd round pick would be a steal, I highly doubt the Falcons would part with Duckett for a 3rd.
Raiders Fan
The Black Hole
Yeah there isn't anybody left that could possibly start. Any of the decent rookies are way gone. The top guys left at RB are Barlow and Perry..
So yeah -- at that point you're looking for upside - and I think Houston has a ton (well, ton might be hyperbole - but he has some).Who knows if the Jets will be able to pull something off? Not a bad pick at all, IMO. I don't expect much from Perry or Barlow.
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That may be true, but I'd say Duckett's value is higher now than prior to the draft. Teams looking to trade now have a need that can't be filled via the draft or even via free agency at this point in the season. Also, Atlanta doesn't have a way to replace their short yardage back. So, his value isn't the same as it was. Michael Bennett is a good example. He was traded for a 4th round pick when teams could have had him for 1 minimum salary + 1M signing bonus before the draft. Why? Because several teams were in need of a quality backup RB and thus had to pay an inflated price.Atlanta is playing to win this year and I don't think they'd give up Duckett unless they at least got a 2nd. Sure, they would potentially lose him next year but I think having him for short yardage and as insurance is more important given that they don't have many options for replacing him at this point. Now, if they have someone already on their roster that they feel can get the job done, that may change things.JMO.
Ducegonads
Footballguy
Agreed. They would NEVER trade a decent RB to the Jets. IMO Houston has to earn this job. He did well last season but it's a whole new coaching staff and we all know what happens then.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
From ATL's perspective, I think Duckett cannibalizes what they might be able to get out of Norwood. Also, given the importance of Vick showing improvement in the passing game coupled with the loss of Finneran, the Falcons are looking for opportunities to keep weapons and options on the field for Vick at all times. Duckett does not present this option. Not saying that Norwood continues to average 35 YPR...but his receiving skills were a surprise to the coaching staff since mini-camp and the need to use them has increased.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I think a lot of this trade talk is exagerated...
The Jets traded a bottom of the depth chart DB for a RB who would have had just as much of a shot to earn the starting job as Houston. Who's to say they'd just give Suggs the starting RB role? We already know that he can't handle the bulk of the carries- he just can't stay healthy.
If you put this in perspective, the Jets were trying to dish off a DB who will probably be cut for a RB who may have a shot to contribute somewhat. They weren't trading for a top RB, a #1 RB, or even a situational back. They were trading for depth of their backfield... So what makes everyone think that they'd all of a sudden up their bidding for a #1 RB? Sure, there's a lot for sale out there... but what's to say that the Jets would go ahead and trade a 3rd round pick for one of these guys? Especially someone like Duckett, who thinks he's better than what he's worth. The Jets may try to resign him, but his asking price may be too high.
Let's not forget, the Jets are probably the worst team in the league, with or without Martin... and you know the Jets are thinking about that. Why trade for a RB and then have Peterson staring at you in the face at the draft next season? What do you do then... You just resigned Duckett to a ridiculous deal, then you have a stud young RB who can turn your franchise around... It just doesn't add up to me.
Don't get me wrong, I think that we very well may see the Jets make another move, but I wouldn't count on them trading a 3rd round pick...
Here's a dark horse candidate for all of you- Najeh Davenport RB Green Bay Packers... That backfield is very crowded and someone will have to go...
Aug 16 Tom Silverstein, of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, reports Green Bay Packers RB Najeh Davenport needs to take advantage of the injuries to RBs Ahman Green (quad) and Samkon Gado (groin). With those two sidelined, Davenport is the feature back and needs to prove that his injuries have not hampered his running ability. If he cannot perform well, the Packers may leave him off the final roster.
If the Packers are thinking about cutting him in favor of Heron, Gado, and Green... then why not trade him over to NY for a 5th or 6th round pick? I think he could be a servicable RB, watching him play his last 4 seasons in GB. He has been banged up here and there, but when he was given the load, there was lots of talk about him being traded to be a featured back- lots of interest. At the time he was too valuable... I don't see that now. Ted Thompson looks at draft picks as gold... I could see him looking to deal Davenport for at least anything, especially if he may end up being cut...
Those are the types of RBs you should be expecting the Jets to trade for... a serviceable RB who can come very cheap. Not a RB who will cost them a 3rd round pick... that pick is WAY too valuable for a team like the Jets. It's practically a second round pick for how bad they will be this season
The Jets traded a bottom of the depth chart DB for a RB who would have had just as much of a shot to earn the starting job as Houston. Who's to say they'd just give Suggs the starting RB role? We already know that he can't handle the bulk of the carries- he just can't stay healthy.
If you put this in perspective, the Jets were trying to dish off a DB who will probably be cut for a RB who may have a shot to contribute somewhat. They weren't trading for a top RB, a #1 RB, or even a situational back. They were trading for depth of their backfield... So what makes everyone think that they'd all of a sudden up their bidding for a #1 RB? Sure, there's a lot for sale out there... but what's to say that the Jets would go ahead and trade a 3rd round pick for one of these guys? Especially someone like Duckett, who thinks he's better than what he's worth. The Jets may try to resign him, but his asking price may be too high.
Let's not forget, the Jets are probably the worst team in the league, with or without Martin... and you know the Jets are thinking about that. Why trade for a RB and then have Peterson staring at you in the face at the draft next season? What do you do then... You just resigned Duckett to a ridiculous deal, then you have a stud young RB who can turn your franchise around... It just doesn't add up to me.
Don't get me wrong, I think that we very well may see the Jets make another move, but I wouldn't count on them trading a 3rd round pick...
Here's a dark horse candidate for all of you- Najeh Davenport RB Green Bay Packers... That backfield is very crowded and someone will have to go...
Aug 16 Tom Silverstein, of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, reports Green Bay Packers RB Najeh Davenport needs to take advantage of the injuries to RBs Ahman Green (quad) and Samkon Gado (groin). With those two sidelined, Davenport is the feature back and needs to prove that his injuries have not hampered his running ability. If he cannot perform well, the Packers may leave him off the final roster.
If the Packers are thinking about cutting him in favor of Heron, Gado, and Green... then why not trade him over to NY for a 5th or 6th round pick? I think he could be a servicable RB, watching him play his last 4 seasons in GB. He has been banged up here and there, but when he was given the load, there was lots of talk about him being traded to be a featured back- lots of interest. At the time he was too valuable... I don't see that now. Ted Thompson looks at draft picks as gold... I could see him looking to deal Davenport for at least anything, especially if he may end up being cut...
Those are the types of RBs you should be expecting the Jets to trade for... a serviceable RB who can come very cheap. Not a RB who will cost them a 3rd round pick... that pick is WAY too valuable for a team like the Jets. It's practically a second round pick for how bad they will be this season
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If the Jets are willing to part with a 3rd round pick, then the Falcons can plug in Justin Griffith into the "goal-line/short yardage" role and not skip a beat. Besides, it is very clear that Norwood is the future in Atlanta, he is a perfect back for the one cut Zone Blocking Scheme.
Lombardi's Orphan Son
Footballguy
this is how i am seeing the situation as well and you didn't even mention the loss of Finneran = more reliance on the run. a 3rd rounder is tough to give up, new coach, not wanting to make critical long lasting mistakes. the question we should ask is would Belichik do this? i don't think so.one name that keeps popping up in my mind is Johnathan Wells. i would expect him to get nabbed soon, and i think he could compete and win that starting job.-orphan
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Wells is a good option!!!
Also JJ Arrington... he may be availible as well
They're going to be looking for a cheap, serviceable back... not someone that can come right in and make a huge difference for a big chunk of change
Sweeper
Footballguy
SF does not part with Barlow, they really do need him. They are just feeling out offers IMO and if the needy Jets jump at a high price tag ... then maybe.
Barlows' best years have come when he has shared time with Hearst and he has stuttered since he has been alone in the backfield. Now that there is someone to share the burden, Barlow might show something that resembles his performance when playing next to Hearst. I can't imagine SF is all that anxious to give up this possibility.
Barlows' best years have come when he has shared time with Hearst and he has stuttered since he has been alone in the backfield. Now that there is someone to share the burden, Barlow might show something that resembles his performance when playing next to Hearst. I can't imagine SF is all that anxious to give up this possibility.
Which was before they drafted their shiny new backup RB >>>>>>>>I might if I was them. However, I believe the Falcons balked at other inquiries (all rumor speculation, no link) this offseason and I think the Falcons were adament that they at least wanted a 2nd round pick.I suspect they would.
i don't see Barlow going anywhere but it got me thinking.... what about Maurice Hicks he could surely be had for the decent price and has played well when given a shot. SF drafted Robinson and converted him to RB so they have some depth.
if the Jets offered their 3rd next year I'd believe that Duckett would be a Jet right now. I also don't see the Jets making a move for him unless they can wrap in up for a couple of more years with a new contract.
if the Jets offered their 3rd next year I'd believe that Duckett would be a Jet right now. I also don't see the Jets making a move for him unless they can wrap in up for a couple of more years with a new contract.
fossdboss
Footballguy
Q&A With Mike Nolan 8/16
http://www.sf49ers.com/pressbox/news_detai...ction=PR%20News
RE: Do you think the strength at running back contributed to the Jets inquiring about Kevan Barlow?
“We were talking about a few different things with them, it wasn’t just that. That’s why I said I had spoken with them. But, we weren’t in any depth or detail about anything. That was one of the positions that they wanted to know what we felt, as far as our position goes and if we’d be willing to talk to them about a guy. That was kind of it. I’m sure that’s why they initiated the call, but we had other things to talk about too.”
RE: Could all of the running backs here make this team?
“They could. I feel very good about our running back situation. Just like offensive line, I think we have some depth and strength. I really don’t want to send anybody out of here. It’s nice to feel comfortable at a position for a little while. We didn’t have any depth last year at any position, and this year, we seem to have depth at running back and offensive line, and that’s a good start. Maybe at quarterback, I feel pretty good right now.”
RE: Did you feel it was necessary to preemptively talk to Kevan?
“Yes, I did. I don’t like them wandering around wondering what is going on. You know what my style is, I do want to talk with them. It does make me a little vulnerable at times, because you get a little closer to them. But at the same time, they’ll be better players if they understand what is going on. Kevan’s one of those guys. I didn’t want him out here wondering what was going on. So, I sat him down and told him exactly that. I think in his mind, at least he can say, ‘I got it right from the horse’s mouth, and I can deal with it.’ Now, he can go forward, instead of wondering, ‘Did they talk to them? Did they not? Was I involved in the conversation? Was I not? Are trying to get rid of me, or not?’ I just tried to let him know, ‘Look, this is the situation.’ There are times I sit down with guys and tell them, ‘We’re trying to move you.’ But most of the time, we can say, ‘We talked about this the other day, so you already knew.’ That wasn’t the case though.”
RE: Did you reassure Kevan that he would be with this team this year?
“No, I just reassured him that we haven’t had any communication. I wouldn’t reassure anybody that they’d be with this team right now. I’d like to keep strong at a number of positions, but I’m not going to assure anybody that. Heck, I’m day-to-day.”
RE: Was he aware of the rumor?
“He was aware of it. He didn’t make a big deal of it. He did the right thing. He just sat there and listened. He was aware of it, because I think his agent made him aware. And it hit the TV. That’s why I said something, because it hit the airwaves. I just wanted to let him know.”
RE: Is tight end another position with some depth?
“Yep.”
RE: Might teams inquire about some of them?
“Teams have inquired about all of the offensive positions, with the exception of wide receiver thus far.”
RE: Is running back a particular position where you want depth, because of the physical nature of it?
“I don’t want to make it sound like any more than anyplace else. I just would like to have some depth. Right now, we have a good situation, I think, at running back. I feel good about our backs, the line, and our tight ends, like you said.”
Sounds like calling to ask about players availabiltity is a lot more common that I originally thought. If the lowly 49ers are fielding calls about all their offensive positions except WR imagine how much other teams phones must ringing.
http://www.sf49ers.com/pressbox/news_detai...ction=PR%20News
RE: Do you think the strength at running back contributed to the Jets inquiring about Kevan Barlow?
“We were talking about a few different things with them, it wasn’t just that. That’s why I said I had spoken with them. But, we weren’t in any depth or detail about anything. That was one of the positions that they wanted to know what we felt, as far as our position goes and if we’d be willing to talk to them about a guy. That was kind of it. I’m sure that’s why they initiated the call, but we had other things to talk about too.”
RE: Could all of the running backs here make this team?
“They could. I feel very good about our running back situation. Just like offensive line, I think we have some depth and strength. I really don’t want to send anybody out of here. It’s nice to feel comfortable at a position for a little while. We didn’t have any depth last year at any position, and this year, we seem to have depth at running back and offensive line, and that’s a good start. Maybe at quarterback, I feel pretty good right now.”
RE: Did you feel it was necessary to preemptively talk to Kevan?
“Yes, I did. I don’t like them wandering around wondering what is going on. You know what my style is, I do want to talk with them. It does make me a little vulnerable at times, because you get a little closer to them. But at the same time, they’ll be better players if they understand what is going on. Kevan’s one of those guys. I didn’t want him out here wondering what was going on. So, I sat him down and told him exactly that. I think in his mind, at least he can say, ‘I got it right from the horse’s mouth, and I can deal with it.’ Now, he can go forward, instead of wondering, ‘Did they talk to them? Did they not? Was I involved in the conversation? Was I not? Are trying to get rid of me, or not?’ I just tried to let him know, ‘Look, this is the situation.’ There are times I sit down with guys and tell them, ‘We’re trying to move you.’ But most of the time, we can say, ‘We talked about this the other day, so you already knew.’ That wasn’t the case though.”
RE: Did you reassure Kevan that he would be with this team this year?
“No, I just reassured him that we haven’t had any communication. I wouldn’t reassure anybody that they’d be with this team right now. I’d like to keep strong at a number of positions, but I’m not going to assure anybody that. Heck, I’m day-to-day.”
RE: Was he aware of the rumor?
“He was aware of it. He didn’t make a big deal of it. He did the right thing. He just sat there and listened. He was aware of it, because I think his agent made him aware. And it hit the TV. That’s why I said something, because it hit the airwaves. I just wanted to let him know.”
RE: Is tight end another position with some depth?
“Yep.”
RE: Might teams inquire about some of them?
“Teams have inquired about all of the offensive positions, with the exception of wide receiver thus far.”
RE: Is running back a particular position where you want depth, because of the physical nature of it?
“I don’t want to make it sound like any more than anyplace else. I just would like to have some depth. Right now, we have a good situation, I think, at running back. I feel good about our backs, the line, and our tight ends, like you said.”
Sounds like calling to ask about players availabiltity is a lot more common that I originally thought. If the lowly 49ers are fielding calls about all their offensive positions except WR imagine how much other teams phones must ringing.
