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Jets RB search is a FARCE (1 Viewer)

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The incessant linking of NY with every second-rate backup HB in the league (Suggs; Duckett; Brown; Barlow etc) is becoming quite farcical. And it is making the young team running that program look pretty silly.

First of all, they don't actually need another RB. They already have C-Mart, who hasn't retired yet. Even if he does retire, they have a stable of prospects who could all usefully contribute this season. Houston deserves a shot as the feature back, particularly if he has fully recovered from the thyroid condition. Blaylock has talent. They drafted Washington and he could be more than just a 3rd down back. All these guys deserve a shot.

Second, the only point of them acquring a veteran back would be if they were on the cusp of greatness. But they're not. They're old, slow and beat-up. They are clearly in rebuilding mode. They should be getting their young players as much playing time as possible to prepare them for a playoff push in years to come.

Third, they really should be looking to draft a franchise back next year in any case. If they want to build a great young team they should go for the young stud next year. Why acquire a mediocre veteran back now who'll just get in the way?

Fourth, why bother trading for another back if you really need one? New England showed how to do it a few years back when they signed Antowain Smith as a FA. There are enough OK grinders who could fill in for a year out there. Stephen Davis, anyone?

Finally, this unseemly and somewhat desperate quest for a back makes the new organization look inexperienced and naive. It doesn't augur well for the future.

 
WHere have you seen proof (vs media speculation and rumors) that they have tried to get anyone but Suggs?
That's a good question. The point is that in general teams don't make public statements about players that they are trying to acquire because that would prejudice negotiations that are underway. Sometimes they do, but that's the exception rather the rule. So we wouldn't expect there to be concrete proof of the kind you cite. All we have to go on are those media speculation and rumors, and while some of them are baseless, usually there is an element of no smoke without fire. We should take some of the rumors with a pinch of salt, but I think it's pretty clear that the Jets ARE trying to acquire a veteran back, and ARE considering a lot of options. My point is they shouldn't be trying to do that because it makes no sense right now given the state of their program.
 
i'm just saying. it is a long way to "desperate" and "farcical" when you're just going on speculation. esp. when you don't know the terms of the proposed deals. i get what you're saying about this being a year a lot of money shouldn't be spent on a back.

btw, you also don't know that the jest were the initiators of all of these talks if they did happen. very possible in some cases teams went to them feeling they were indeed desperate.

 
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btw, you also don't know that the jest were the initiators of all of these talks if they did happen. very possible in some cases teams went to them feeling they were indeed desperate.
Or agents were initiating rumors to get their guy a new contract. I'm very aware of all of that. But still - the sheer VOLUME of all these rumors can only lead one to conclude that there's a reason for them.
 
btw, you also don't know that the jest were the initiators of all of these talks if they did happen. very possible in some cases teams went to them feeling they were indeed desperate.
Or agents were initiating rumors to get their guy a new contract. I'm very aware of all of that. But still - the sheer VOLUME of all these rumors can only lead one to conclude that there's a reason for them.
I haven't seen a Jets practice update in a while -- Rovers where ARE you? :hey: But aside from that, maybe they aren't seeing what they need from the backs they have. Not being at the practises myself, I can't tell you, but maybe Mangini isn't getting as much as he needs from them.Behind that Oline right now, I dunno how anyone would do much. But I agree they should sit tight -- you're rebuilding - don't waste picks when you already know you have some work to do and might need them.
 
i think the Jets are just playing the fantasy world again. They know C-Mart will return to glory, and lead the league in rushing. Thus, leaving all fantasy experts shaking their heads like they were two years ago....

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The incessant linking of NY with every second-rate backup HB in the league (Suggs; Duckett; Brown; Barlow etc) is becoming quite farcical. And it is making the young team running that program look pretty silly.First of all, they don't actually need another RB. They already have C-Mart, who hasn't retired yet. Even if he does retire, they have a stable of prospects who could all usefully contribute this season. Houston deserves a shot as the feature back, particularly if he has fully recovered from the thyroid condition. Blaylock has talent. They drafted Washington and he could be more than just a 3rd down back. All these guys deserve a shot.Second, the only point of them acquring a veteran back would be if they were on the cusp of greatness. But they're not. They're old, slow and beat-up. They are clearly in rebuilding mode. They should be getting their young players as much playing time as possible to prepare them for a playoff push in years to come. Third, they really should be looking to draft a franchise back next year in any case. If they want to build a great young team they should go for the young stud next year. Why acquire a mediocre veteran back now who'll just get in the way?Fourth, why bother trading for another back if you really need one? New England showed how to do it a few years back when they signed Antowain Smith as a FA. There are enough OK grinders who could fill in for a year out there. Stephen Davis, anyone?Finally, this unseemly and somewhat desperate quest for a back makes the new organization look inexperienced and naive. It doesn't augur well for the future.
The biggest hole in your theory is that this is a FFB board and the NFL is.....well.....the NFL. Even if this all makes perfect sense, the fact remains that teams have to win. If coaches and GM's want to compete they have to win. Billionaire owners don't like to see their multimillion dollar toys broken and at the bottom of the barrel for a whole year. The other big hole in your theory is that you don't really know if Blaylock, Houston or Washington can get it done. Blaylock looked good in KC. But that's KC. I hear talk of a Thyroid condition with Houston, but who knows. And Washtington is a 4th round rookie.
 
The biggest hole in your theory is that this is a FFB board and the NFL is.....well.....the NFL. Even if this all makes perfect sense, the fact remains that teams have to win. If coaches and GM's want to compete they have to win. Billionaire owners don't like to see their multimillion dollar toys broken and at the bottom of the barrel for a whole year.
But I'm not taking a fantasy perspective on this. I'm taking an NFL perspective. It's not smart to waste a draft pick on an average back when you have plenty of backs on your roster or could acquire another one for nothing in FA.I mean, if the Jets could acquire a franchise back, great. But this is not what we're talking about. We're talking about borderline busts.
 
Falcons consider Duckett trade

McCareins possibly coming to the Falcons for Duckett

Green Bay, Wisc. - Tailback T.J. Duckett could be playing with the Falcons for the last time Saturday night as at least four teams have contacted Atlanta over the past few days about trading for the 2002 first-round pick, two people with knowledge of the situation confirmed.

The New York Jets is the only team that both sources would confirm, with recently demoted wide receiver Justin McCareins possibly coming to the Falcons for Duckett. Atlanta is in the market for a No. 3 wide receiver and McCareins (6-2, 215) a six-year veteran with 168 receptions and 15 touchdowns could fit the need.

Atlanta also is looking for backup help at safety, defensive tackle and defensive end. Despite those needs, exchanging Duckett for a draft pick is a possibility.

The Falcons would not confirm any trade talks.

No trade involving Duckett is expected before Saturday's exhibition game here with the Packers, a game he is scheduled to start. Regular starter Warrick Dunn is being rested.

Duckett could play through the first quarter before turning things over to rookie Jerious Norwood, the speedster from Mississippi State, who, since being drafted, has elicited enough confidence for the team to engage in trade talks involving Duckett.

There is some apprehension among the Falcons coaching and personnel staffs about parting with Duckett, a four-year veteran (54 games, 552 carries, 2,175 yards), who provides a sense of security should Dunn, 31, get hurt. Norwood, though talented and a better fit in the Falcons' cutback running scheme than Duckett, is still relatively raw and is learning the system, coach Jim Mora has said.

Even so, with Duckett being in the final year of his contract, dealing him now would allow the Falcons to receive compensation instead of letting him walk away for nothing after the season.

Duckett has spent much of the summer deflecting trade speculation, which until now, hit its crescendo on draft day after the Falcons' selected Norwood. Some teams, one being Pittsburgh, offered later-round picks, which the Falcons rejected.

After looking strong and rushing for 59 yards on 10 carries in last week's exhibition-opening 26-23 victory over the New England Patriots, interest resurfaced.

Duckett insists he wants to remain with the Falcons and said he's going to try to have a breakout season, no matter what.

"I had a great offseason we had a hard training camp and I'm ready to make things happen," Duckett said Thursday.

Duckett was drafted 18th overall out of Michigan State in 2002 - the same offseason the Falcons signed Dunn from Tampa Bay as a free agent. The simultaneous pairing never allowed Duckett to emerge as a feature back, but he has earned team-wide respect for not complaining about playing time.

Duckett has been used primarily in short-yardage or change-of-pace situations and has rushed for 31 touchdowns in four seasons, 27 coming in the past three. Last season, though, he faltered down the stretch after suffering an ankle injury and averaged a career-low 3.1 yards per carry. With Dunn nursing a sore hamstring over the final four games, Duckett's inability to provide much relief spawned trade speculation shortly after the season ended.

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The incessant linking of NY with every second-rate backup HB in the league (Suggs; Duckett; Brown; Barlow etc) is becoming quite farcical. And it is making the young team running that program look pretty silly.First of all, they don't actually need another RB. They already have C-Mart, who hasn't retired yet. Even if he does retire, they have a stable of prospects who could all usefully contribute this season. Houston deserves a shot as the feature back, particularly if he has fully recovered from the thyroid condition. Blaylock has talent. They drafted Washington and he could be more than just a 3rd down back. All these guys deserve a shot.Second, the only point of them acquring a veteran back would be if they were on the cusp of greatness. But they're not. They're old, slow and beat-up. They are clearly in rebuilding mode. They should be getting their young players as much playing time as possible to prepare them for a playoff push in years to come. Third, they really should be looking to draft a franchise back next year in any case. If they want to build a great young team they should go for the young stud next year. Why acquire a mediocre veteran back now who'll just get in the way?Fourth, why bother trading for another back if you really need one? New England showed how to do it a few years back when they signed Antowain Smith as a FA. There are enough OK grinders who could fill in for a year out there. Stephen Davis, anyone?Finally, this unseemly and somewhat desperate quest for a back makes the new organization look inexperienced and naive. It doesn't augur well for the future.
Major league :fishing: trip here. First point, it is simply due diligence to look for any potentially available RB and inquire about what a team's asking price might be. Here is another completely baseless take on the situation, all pur conjecture, as your thread starter was:The Jets feel that they may need help at the RB position. They inquire about M Turner, but AJ asks or the moon. So, they go shopping, and intentionally leak this info. This is a very astute move by the young turks running the Jets FO. When it seemed they had no leverage, they create some by leaking trade rumors. Instead of being beggars, they now let the league bid on THEIR needs, seeing which team might blink first, if they have a RB they consider to be expendable. Sound silly? So did your first post. One can spin this stuff to whatever fits one's agenda. Offering a fifth CB who will most likely get cut for Suggs, hardly suggests that the Jets FO is going to hoar themselves for an RB. THEN, given the disparity of the deal, they fail Suggs in their physical, and negate the entire deal. This is not the mark of a naieve FO. Quit the opposite, in fact. Atlanta refused to give up a first rounder for Abraham, right? Majically, this FO GOT a 1st rounder in the eventual deal. Yes, another sign of young guys running an FO that have no clue. There are plenty of good reasons to bash the past moves by the Jets, but not this new regime, no matter how much you might be drooling over the chance to bash them. Yes, they are rebuilding, and they will almost certainly draft an RB next year, fairly high, and might even trade up to do it, with the rather astute pick up of a second 2nd round pick from the Redskins next year. Maybe that is what has annoyed you here, the fact that they STOLE the Skins second round pick next year? :bye: I'm doing my best to be nice here, but I'm having a hard time of it. It's a ######ed thread starter. :thumbdown:
 
The incessant linking of NY with every second-rate backup HB in the league (Suggs; Duckett; Brown; Barlow etc) is becoming quite farcical. And it is making the young team running that program look pretty silly.First of all, they don't actually need another RB. They already have C-Mart, who hasn't retired yet. Even if he does retire, they have a stable of prospects who could all usefully contribute this season. Houston deserves a shot as the feature back, particularly if he has fully recovered from the thyroid condition. Blaylock has talent. They drafted Washington and he could be more than just a 3rd down back. All these guys deserve a shot.Second, the only point of them acquring a veteran back would be if they were on the cusp of greatness. But they're not. They're old, slow and beat-up. They are clearly in rebuilding mode. They should be getting their young players as much playing time as possible to prepare them for a playoff push in years to come. Third, they really should be looking to draft a franchise back next year in any case. If they want to build a great young team they should go for the young stud next year. Why acquire a mediocre veteran back now who'll just get in the way?Fourth, why bother trading for another back if you really need one? New England showed how to do it a few years back when they signed Antowain Smith as a FA. There are enough OK grinders who could fill in for a year out there. Stephen Davis, anyone?Finally, this unseemly and somewhat desperate quest for a back makes the new organization look inexperienced and naive. It doesn't augur well for the future.
I don't know nothin' about a disgrace, I'm more interested in the strategy. See, I don't think that Blaylock, Houston or Washington deserves an opportuniy at the big job. I think they have to earn it. Houston is a 6th round pick who looked only ok at the end of last year. Blaylock has been injured and not all that impressive as a lead back. Washington is an undersized rookie drafted in the 4th round. All of these guys will get touches, but one of them will have to emerge to win the starting job.Lee Suggs is the only guy the Jets actually traded for. Had he come over, he would have also had to earn a job, and all they spent on him was an extra DB. SUggs is not an old veteran, he's a back who, if he's good, should have as many as 5 good years ahead of him. I think also that as an organization, it's always best to be constantly trying to build a winner. If you can get a guy like Chris Brown or Thomas Jones for a 3rd-round pick, you probably do it. But it's hard to believe that those deals are available. However, bringing in another lottery ticket like Lee Suggs is a nice move. At worst, it's one more guy, who may fit in one more role, and at best, you don't have to draft an RB the next year. This hypothetical McCareins deal is something more than Lee Suggs, since I'd expect Duckett to start over the other guys (though you never know...). But losing McCareins lets the Jets give more time to Cotcherry and the promising Brad Smith. Tim Dwight and Coles provide the vereran attitude and the toughness. Truth is, I would be surprised if the Falcons would trade Duckett for McCareins unless they really see something special in Norwood. I would expect them to want something more - maybe Strait and McCareins for Duckett and a conditional pick.
 
It's a ######ed thread starter
Rovers - given your insightful posts about the Jets training camp, I expected a little more class than an ad hominem insult. I think we should be able to discuss our opinions without resorting to this, don't you? We're not all a bunch of teenagers engaged in fishing trips and flaming, you know. Some of us come here to enjoy a little intelligent discussion.
 

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