Jets to incur wrath of the league? (1 Viewer)

[GroveDiesel]

Michael Lombardi is reporting that the Jets re-worked Santonio Holmes's deal specifically to move salary this year from the first 4 games of this season to later in the season. Basically it was done so that he wouldn't lose that money due to his suspension.

Total conjecture on my part, but I would think that the league is not going to be too happy about that. I don't think that they can do anything about it, but it wouldn't surprise me if they don't give the Jets much leeway on anything this year.

 

[Koya]

Not sure if this is wrath worthy, or not... while obviously its a loophole, it is indeed just that. If its within the rules, not sure that the league can do much except collectively bargain a change to those rules - OR the league can have a suspension and a fine which equals those four games.

 

[CrossEyed]

That's great. Just reinforces this article that I had posted in another thread.

In the NFL, for instance, you'll always have clueless teams such as the New York Jets, who have added Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards and Antonio Cromartie in the past year, taking Al Davis' "Just win, baby" to the extreme. So what if you are a knucklehead for this team? If you wait a while, you can become somebody else's knucklehead with a raise.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Michael Lombardi is reporting that the Jets re-worked Santonio Holmes's deal specifically to move salary this year from the first 4 games of this season to later in the season. Basically it was done so that he wouldn't lose that money due to his suspension. Total conjecture on my part, but I would think that the league is not going to be too happy about that. I don't think that they can do anything about it, but it wouldn't surprise me if they don't give the Jets much leeway on anything this year.

Very cheesy if true. Not sure why the team would do that. If its not part of teh CBA its a loohole that needs to be fixed quickly.

 

[TLEF316]

That's great. Just reinforces this article that I had posted in another thread.

In the NFL, for instance, you'll always have clueless teams such as the New York Jets, who have added Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards and Antonio Cromartie in the past year, taking Al Davis' "Just win, baby" to the extreme. So what if you are a knucklehead for this team? If you wait a while, you can become somebody else's knucklehead with a raise.

For years, the Jets looked for "character guys". Mangini took it to the extreme. They wasted 3rd round draft picks on scrubs like Anthony Schlegal while the Patriots brought in "problem children" like Rodney Harrison, Corey Dillon and Randy Moss. The Jets floundered and the Pats went to superbowls. If you have strong veteran leaders in the locker room, (the Jets have a few) you can afford to take on a few guys with some issues. I've been a jets fan all my life, and if we need to bring in a few jerks to win a title, so be it. Cromartie is a moron who cant wrap it up. Holmes likes smoking pot and Edwards took a swing at one of Lebron's entourage. They've made mistakes, but its not like they killed somebody.

As for the initial point of the post, its kind of a cheesy move, but if not against the rules, oh well. But yeah, it shouldnt be allowed.

 

[SuperJohn96]

Michael Lombardi is reporting that the Jets re-worked Santonio Holmes's deal specifically to move salary this year from the first 4 games of this season to later in the season. Basically it was done so that he wouldn't lose that money due to his suspension. Total conjecture on my part, but I would think that the league is not going to be too happy about that. I don't think that they can do anything about it, but it wouldn't surprise me if they don't give the Jets much leeway on anything this year.

Couldn't you also give him a raise for just the 2010 season equivalent to his missed paychecks?Say you make $1.6 million for 16 games, so a 4 game suspension would cost you $400,000Rework his contract so he gets paid $2,133,333.33 for the 2010 season...he'd "lose" $533,333.33 from his 4 missed games, but he'd make the difference of $1.6 Million.

 

[Tanner9919]

for years the Niners sidestepped the salary cap with fuzzy math and wall street-like accounting practices...

but we care less because they won SB's, while people think the Jets are suddenly super bad in the way the do business????

c'mon now



SF flat-out cheated in the late 80s-early 90's. esp if you include their cheap chop blocks ...

 

[CiscoKid]

Michael Lombardi is reporting that the Jets re-worked Santonio Holmes's deal specifically to move salary this year from the first 4 games of this season to later in the season. Basically it was done so that he wouldn't lose that money due to his suspension. Total conjecture on my part, but I would think that the league is not going to be too happy about that. I don't think that they can do anything about it, but it wouldn't surprise me if they don't give the Jets much leeway on anything this year.

I must be missing something obvious - why in the world would the Jets do this? Generally, teams don't give out money as a rule "just because". The only way it makes sense to rework his deal is if years and/or options are being added. IMHO, the Jets have leverage if Holmes is looking to make up for "lost" money, and it doesn't make sense that they would give that leverage away without getting something back in return.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I doubt the league dos anything.

Heck you will see tonight how much the league loves the jets. Open weekend monday night, thanksgiving night. probably a host of other prime time games. HBO hard knocks

Gonna be a jets love fest all season long

 

[KellysHeroes]

That's great. Just reinforces this article that I had posted in another thread.

In the NFL, for instance, you'll always have clueless teams such as the New York Jets, who have added Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards and Antonio Cromartie in the past year, taking Al Davis' "Just win, baby" to the extreme. So what if you are a knucklehead for this team? If you wait a while, you can become somebody else's knucklehead with a raise.

For years, the Jets looked for "character guys". Mangini took it to the extreme. They wasted 3rd round draft picks on scrubs like Anthony Schlegal while the Patriots brought in "problem children" like Rodney Harrison, Corey Dillon and Randy Moss. The Jets floundered and the Pats went to superbowls. If you have strong veteran leaders in the locker room, (the Jets have a few) you can afford to take on a few guys with some issues. I've been a jets fan all my life, and if we need to bring in a few jerks to win a title, so be it. Cromartie is a moron who cant wrap it up. Holmes likes smoking pot and Edwards took a swing at one of Lebron's entourage. They've made mistakes, but its not like they killed somebody.

As for the initial point of the post, its kind of a cheesy move, but if not against the rules, oh well. But yeah, it shouldnt be allowed.

The problem is if you don't win you get fired.As stated above, is Cromartie a problem child... hes got what 6 kids; big deal thats his business as long as hes not beating them. Edwards took a swing at someone, raise your hand if you haven't taken a swing at someone and who knows if the guy swung at him 1st. Holmes sounds like a complete Tool... but how can you turn down the deal. At least we don't have a Rapist for a leader.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I doubt the league dos anything.Heck you will see tonight how much the league loves the jets. Open weekend monday night, thanksgiving night. probably a host of other prime time games. HBO hard knocksGonna be a jets love fest all season long

Its not a good idea if this is true... to flat out give him the checks back. But I know the Jets aren't very happy with the league and Roger since they got that crazy huge fine for the Farve injury. The League Front Office made a statement using them 2 years ago and maybe they'll make a statement to league with Holmes.As stated in another post, a bonus or maybe an incentive added to his contract; say if the Jets make it to the playoffs Holmes will get a bonus that just so happens to equal the amount he lost in the suspended 4 games.

 

[Mello]

I doubt the league dos anything.Heck you will see tonight how much the league loves the jets. Open weekend monday night, thanksgiving night. probably a host of other prime time games. HBO hard knocksGonna be a jets love fest all season long

Its not a good idea if this is true... to flat out give him the checks back. But I know the Jets aren't very happy with the league and Roger since they got that crazy huge fine for the Farve injury. The League Front Office made a statement using them 2 years ago and maybe they'll make a statement to league with Holmes.As stated in another post, a bonus or maybe an incentive added to his contract; say if the Jets make it to the playoffs Holmes will get a bonus that just so happens to equal the amount he lost in the suspended 4 games.

Why not? Might motivate him to resign with the Jets next year because they treated him well. If he doesn't play well or screws up again, they just won't resign him and the extra money won't go against any cap. Holmes faces a year suspension if he tests positive or misses a test. It's also a contract year. I think the motivation from the current 4 game suspension pales in comparison.

 

[jonessed]

I imagine up to this point teams didn't do it because it really sends a poor message, but now that someone has the league should probably find a way to close the loophole.

 

[Reaper]

I doubt the league dos anything.Heck you will see tonight how much the league loves the jets. Open weekend monday night, thanksgiving night. probably a host of other prime time games. HBO hard knocksGonna be a jets love fest all season long

Awe, you're just still bitter

 

[Reaper]

That's great. Just reinforces this article that I had posted in another thread.

In the NFL, for instance, you'll always have clueless teams such as the New York Jets, who have added Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards and Antonio Cromartie in the past year, taking Al Davis' "Just win, baby" to the extreme. So what if you are a knucklehead for this team? If you wait a while, you can become somebody else's knucklehead with a raise.

LOL. That's a silly article.

As if these guys aren't going to get another chance - As if all sport leagues don't give problem athletes another chance... And then to point to the Jets, a team that has bent over backwards to sign and develop a core of players with little to no problems yet finally decided to add a few question marks, Really??? And to boot, the Jets picked up those 3 players without new deals so they have to PROVE THEMSELVES - it's not as if they just handed out a 50 million dollar contract to some knuckhead.

Where's the "Raise" jackal?

That writer should take the next 6 months off and think about the #### he just wrote.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I imagine up to this point teams didn't do it because it really sends a poor message, but now that someone has the league should probably find a way to close the loophole.

what can they do, if a player gets suspend a team can't re-sign him.... The system is a fail as it is; the league hands down punishment and fines and the players have no way to fight it... total BS.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Michael Lombardi, of the National Football Post, reports the New York Jets are actively shopping OG Alan Faneca and will likely waive him following the NFL Draft.

this makes no sense

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Michael Lombardi, of the National Football Post, reports the New York Jets are actively shopping OG Alan Faneca and will likely waive him following the NFL Draft.this makes no sense

I can't beleive that to be true - doesn't make sense. It's an uncapped year and the team is built to win now. Faneca has seen his better days but is still a top notich guard. I'd be totally perplexed if this becomes reality.

 

[Reaper]

Michael Lombardi, of the National Football Post, reports the New York Jets are actively shopping OG Alan Faneca and will likely waive him following the NFL Draft.this makes no sense

Hmmm, Steeler fans told us how his play has fallen off a bit years ago, IMO if nothing else he was a calming influence and mentor in between Brick and Mangold as they developed. He's had his ups and downs especially in pass protection, certainly not the Faneca of old... Jets have 3 guys they have been developing at G (Slauson, Hunter and Turner).... I'm reading Faneca is also due about 8 mill.Maybe they're looking at Iupati in round 1? That sure would be a sign. Kinda like when ther Jets let Mawae go and wound up with Mangold.

 

[TLEF316]

why would they release Faneca now? They're just getting ready to make a superbowl run, and the cohesivness of the O-line (all 5 starters have started every game for 2 years) is one of the team's biggest stregnths.

So the jets buy all these offensive weapons, loosen the reigns on Sanchez and now they're gonna cut their starting LG? Not a chance.

That being said, if Faneca's play falls off, i'd be ok with doing it a year from now (if they have a potential replacement). Faneca helped Ferguson out a ton, but D'Brick really doesnt need him anymore.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Michael Lombardi is reporting that the Jets re-worked Santonio Holmes's deal specifically to move salary this year from the first 4 games of this season to later in the season. Basically it was done so that he wouldn't lose that money due to his suspension. Total conjecture on my part, but I would think that the league is not going to be too happy about that. I don't think that they can do anything about it, but it wouldn't surprise me if they don't give the Jets much leeway on anything this year.

I must be missing something obvious - why in the world would the Jets do this? Generally, teams don't give out money as a rule "just because". The only way it makes sense to rework his deal is if years and/or options are being added. IMHO, the Jets have leverage if Holmes is looking to make up for "lost" money, and it doesn't make sense that they would give that leverage away without getting something back in return.

How does a suspension work? Does the player just not get the salary, or is the money taken as a fine?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Michael Lombardi is reporting that the Jets re-worked Santonio Holmes's deal specifically to move salary this year from the first 4 games of this season to later in the season. Basically it was done so that he wouldn't lose that money due to his suspension. Total conjecture on my part, but I would think that the league is not going to be too happy about that. I don't think that they can do anything about it, but it wouldn't surprise me if they don't give the Jets much leeway on anything this year.

Couldn't you also give him a raise for just the 2010 season equivalent to his missed paychecks?Say you make $1.6 million for 16 games, so a 4 game suspension would cost you $400,000Rework his contract so he gets paid $2,133,333.33 for the 2010 season...he'd "lose" $533,333.33 from his 4 missed games, but he'd make the difference of $1.6 Million.

maybe because then you'd be paying him an extra 500k.that might not be much to you, but that's real money to some people.

 

[benbadman]

for years the Niners sidestepped the salary cap with fuzzy math and wall street-like accounting practices...but we care less because they won SB's, while people think the Jets are suddenly super bad in the way the do business???? c'mon now SF flat-out cheated in the late 80s-early 90's. esp if you include their cheap chop blocks ...

There wasn't a salary cap until 93-94. NFL was like baseball before that, big market teams could afford big salaries. Now we have the socialist NFL, where parity is king.

 

[az_prof]

for years the Niners sidestepped the salary cap with fuzzy math and wall street-like accounting practices...but we care less because they won SB's, while people think the Jets are suddenly super bad in the way the do business???? c'mon now SF flat-out cheated in the late 80s-early 90's. esp if you include their cheap chop blocks ...

There wasn't a salary cap until 93-94. NFL was like baseball before that, big market teams could afford big salaries. Now we have the socialist NFL, where parity is king.

If the current NFL is socialist, as you claim, then it is the best argument for socialism I have seen. I much prefer the NFL today where there is good competition and where a bad team can rebound in one or two years and where the large markets don't dominate simply because they are large and wealthy. Do you think New Orleans or Arizona would have won championships without the kind of "socialism" you imply? I am so bored with baseball and the Yankees and Redsox...

 

[Fullback Fro]

for years the Niners sidestepped the salary cap with fuzzy math and wall street-like accounting practices...but we care less because they won SB's, while people think the Jets are suddenly super bad in the way the do business???? c'mon nowSF flat-out cheated in the late 80s-early 90's. esp if you include their cheap chop blocks ...

Link?

 

[jurb26]

While it might be a shady thing to do, the Jets haven't done anything wrong. Nothing will happen.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

for years the Niners sidestepped the salary cap with fuzzy math and wall street-like accounting practices...but we care less because they won SB's, while people think the Jets are suddenly super bad in the way the do business???? c'mon nowSF flat-out cheated in the late 80s-early 90's. esp if you include their cheap chop blocks ...

 

[Phurfur]

for years the Niners sidestepped the salary cap with fuzzy math and wall street-like accounting practices...

but we care less because they won SB's, while people think the Jets are suddenly super bad in the way the do business????

c'mon now



SF flat-out cheated in the late 80s-early 90's. esp if you include their cheap chop blocks ...

There wasn't a salary cap until 93-94. NFL was like baseball before that, big market teams could afford big salaries. Now we have the socialist NFL, where parity is king.

The difference is "profit sharing". HTH

 

[CrossEyed]

That's great. Just reinforces this article that I had posted in another thread.

In the NFL, for instance, you'll always have clueless teams such as the New York Jets, who have added Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards and Antonio Cromartie in the past year, taking Al Davis' "Just win, baby" to the extreme. So what if you are a knucklehead for this team? If you wait a while, you can become somebody else's knucklehead with a raise.

LOL. That's a silly article.

As if these guys aren't going to get another chance - As if all sport leagues don't give problem athletes another chance... And then to point to the Jets, a team that has bent over backwards to sign and develop a core of players with little to no problems yet finally decided to add a few question marks, Really??? And to boot, the Jets picked up those 3 players without new deals so they have to PROVE THEMSELVES - it's not as if they just handed out a 50 million dollar contract to some knuckhead.

Where's the "Raise" jackal?

That writer should take the next 6 months off and think about the #### he just wrote.

Sensitive much? I think you missed the overall point of the article.

 

[PatsFanCT]

for years the Niners sidestepped the salary cap with fuzzy math and wall street-like accounting practices...but we care less because they won SB's, while people think the Jets are suddenly super bad in the way the do business???? c'mon nowSF flat-out cheated in the late 80s-early 90's. esp if you include their cheap chop blocks ...

I don't think it's fishing if they were fined and lost draft picks because of it.

 

[benbadman]

for years the Niners sidestepped the salary cap with fuzzy math and wall street-like accounting practices...but we care less because they won SB's, while people think the Jets are suddenly super bad in the way the do business???? c'mon now SF flat-out cheated in the late 80s-early 90's. esp if you include their cheap chop blocks ...

There wasn't a salary cap until 93-94. NFL was like baseball before that, big market teams could afford big salaries. Now we have the socialist NFL, where parity is king.

If the current NFL is socialist, as you claim, then it is the best argument for socialism I have seen. I much prefer the NFL today where there is good competition and where a bad team can rebound in one or two years and where the large markets don't dominate simply because they are large and wealthy. Do you think New Orleans or Arizona would have won championships without the kind of "socialism" you imply? I am so bored with baseball and the Yankees and Redsox...

Arizona won a championship? If I recall correctly, Big Ben went balls deep through the Cardinals secondary and got the W. FYI, Red Sox have 3rd worst record in MLB right now.

 

[5Rings]

for years the Broncos sidestepped the salary cap with fuzzy math and wall street-like accounting practices...but we care less because they won a SB, while people think the Jets are suddenly super bad in the way the do business???? c'mon nowDenver flat-out cheated in the late 80s-early 90's. esp if you include their cheap chop blocks ...

fixed for accuracy

 

[the UFFRM]

There wasn't a salary cap until 93-94. NFL was like baseball before that, big market teams could afford big salaries. Now we have the socialist NFL, where parity is king.

If the current NFL is socialist, as you claim, then it is the best argument for socialism I have seen. I much prefer the NFL today where there is good competition and where a bad team can rebound in one or two years and where the large markets don't dominate simply because they are large and wealthy. Do you think New Orleans or Arizona would have won championships without the kind of "socialism" you imply? I am so bored with baseball and the Yankees and Redsox...

Arizona won a championship? If I recall correctly, Big Ben went balls deep through the Cardinals secondary and got the W. FYI, Red Sox have 3rd worst record in MLB right now.

You recall correctly... but you should realize that both NO and AZ won conference championships before ever going to the Super Bowl. I understood perfectly what the other poster was saying. FYI it is also April. When did an April record ever mean anything in the MLB?

 

[Raiderfan32904]

This is not a big deal....

1) Holmes' original deal called for $755k in salary and $750k in a roster bonus ($1505k total).

2) The Jets reworked it to: $630k slary, $270k workout bonus and $500k roster ($1400k total).

They did reduce the deal a little, but the total money was also reduced and makes him Santonio accountable to show up for workouts.

He's had some elite stats, in a contract year, and they want to keep him motivated. That $1.5 mil is chump change for what he really wants to be paid.

 

[KellysHeroes]

for years the Niners sidestepped the salary cap with fuzzy math and wall street-like accounting practices...

but we care less because they won SB's, while people think the Jets are suddenly super bad in the way the do business????

c'mon now



SF flat-out cheated in the late 80s-early 90's. esp if you include their cheap chop blocks ...

There wasn't a salary cap until 93-94. NFL was like baseball before that, big market teams could afford big salaries. Now we have the socialist NFL, where parity is king.

If the current NFL is socialist, as you claim, then it is the best argument for socialism I have seen. I much prefer the NFL today where there is good competition and where a bad team can rebound in one or two years and where the large markets don't dominate simply because they are large and wealthy. Do you think New Orleans or Arizona would have won championships without the kind of "socialism" you imply? I am so bored with baseball and the Yankees and Redsox...

Arizona won a championship? If I recall correctly, Big Ben went balls deep through the Cardinals secondary and got the W. FYI, Red Sox have 3rd worst record in MLB right now.

NFC Champions and the SB they played was a great game

 

[Reaper]

That's great. Just reinforces this article that I had posted in another thread.

In the NFL, for instance, you'll always have clueless teams such as the New York Jets, who have added Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards and Antonio Cromartie in the past year, taking Al Davis' "Just win, baby" to the extreme. So what if you are a knucklehead for this team? If you wait a while, you can become somebody else's knucklehead with a raise.

LOL. That's a silly article.

As if these guys aren't going to get another chance - As if all sport leagues don't give problem athletes another chance... And then to point to the Jets, a team that has bent over backwards to sign and develop a core of players with little to no problems yet finally decided to add a few question marks, Really??? And to boot, the Jets picked up those 3 players without new deals so they have to PROVE THEMSELVES - it's not as if they just handed out a 50 million dollar contract to some knuckhead.

Where's the "Raise" jackal?

That writer should take the next 6 months off and think about the #### he just wrote.

Sensitive much? I think you missed the overall point of the article.

What was the point? That athletes are pampered, feel entitled, don't get it, and then get second chances - ASTONISHING.

And then he goes on to give the Jets as an example of an organization that is "Clueless" and gives these guys raises...

Sensitive or not, he's wrong - The Jets didn't give any one of em a raise yet, they signed guys that have something to prove where they have to EARN their next paydday, at least in NY....

Maybe he should have written an article comparing teams that do throw Huge money around to problem players Vs teams that try to give them an incentive to be a better person? You know, instead of making stuff up.

 

[CaptainCrunch]

I don't understand why the NFL doesn't impose a condition of fines to include:

Any new contract that is signed by the player before the penalty goes into effect results in an fixed dollar amount or % of signing bonus & base salary- whichever is greater. Seems like this would close the above loophole- the team/player can re-arrange the base salary and signing bonus all they want but will not affect the amount of the fine. You can't really prevent a team from giving a player a "raise" to offsett he fine, but if they chose to do this the team is paying out more money and reducing its cap space.

What they Jets did is shuffle money around- so Holmes pays less of fine without much if any consequence to the teams salary structure.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

for years the Niners sidestepped the salary cap with fuzzy math and wall street-like accounting practices...but we care less because they won SB's, while people think the Jets are suddenly super bad in the way the do business???? c'mon now SF flat-out cheated in the late 80s-early 90's. esp if you include their cheap chop blocks ...

There wasn't a salary cap until 93-94. NFL was like baseball before that, big market teams could afford big salaries. Now we have the socialist NFL, where parity is king.

A level playing field in sports /= socialism.Even as a Yankees fan I tell you that the NFL's system far exceeds baseball. It's a much better chess game when all the teams start out equal instead of one team replacing all the pawns with Queens.

 

[twistd]

That's great. Just reinforces this article that I had posted in another thread.

In the NFL, for instance, you'll always have clueless teams such as the New York Jets, who have added Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards and Antonio Cromartie in the past year, taking Al Davis' "Just win, baby" to the extreme. So what if you are a knucklehead for this team? If you wait a while, you can become somebody else's knucklehead with a raise.

For years, the Jets looked for "character guys". Mangini took it to the extreme. They wasted 3rd round draft picks on scrubs like Anthony Schlegal while the Patriots brought in "problem children" like Rodney Harrison, Corey Dillon and Randy Moss. The Jets floundered and the Pats went to superbowls. If you have strong veteran leaders in the locker room, (the Jets have a few) you can afford to take on a few guys with some issues. I've been a jets fan all my life, and if we need to bring in a few jerks to win a title, so be it. Cromartie is a moron who cant wrap it up. Holmes likes smoking pot and Edwards took a swing at one of Lebron's entourage. They've made mistakes, but its not like they killed somebody.

As for the initial point of the post, its kind of a cheesy move, but if not against the rules, oh well. But yeah, it shouldnt be allowed.

I think the Jets are playing with fire by bringing in all these tools. I really wonder if this won't blow up in their face. You need really strong leaders in the locker room to handle these type of players. The Patriots situation was different. Harrison was considered a dirty player but not necessarily a problem in the locker room. Moss was fine when you were winning and he was getting the ball. Dillon got a bad rap in my opinion. He was a good soldier with the Bengals for a lot of years, then complained to get out of there, and suddenly he is branded as a problem player. He was a good citizen for many years in Cincinnati and he caused no problems in NE. I think Cromartie, Edwards, and Holmes are all players with the potential to cause a lot of headaches in New York. I think the Jets live to regret making these moves.

 

[TLEF316]

That's great. Just reinforces this article that I had posted in another thread.

In the NFL, for instance, you'll always have clueless teams such as the New York Jets, who have added Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards and Antonio Cromartie in the past year, taking Al Davis' "Just win, baby" to the extreme. So what if you are a knucklehead for this team? If you wait a while, you can become somebody else's knucklehead with a raise.

For years, the Jets looked for "character guys". Mangini took it to the extreme. They wasted 3rd round draft picks on scrubs like Anthony Schlegal while the Patriots brought in "problem children" like Rodney Harrison, Corey Dillon and Randy Moss. The Jets floundered and the Pats went to superbowls. If you have strong veteran leaders in the locker room, (the Jets have a few) you can afford to take on a few guys with some issues. I've been a jets fan all my life, and if we need to bring in a few jerks to win a title, so be it. Cromartie is a moron who cant wrap it up. Holmes likes smoking pot and Edwards took a swing at one of Lebron's entourage. They've made mistakes, but its not like they killed somebody.

As for the initial point of the post, its kind of a cheesy move, but if not against the rules, oh well. But yeah, it shouldnt be allowed.

I think the Jets are playing with fire by bringing in all these tools. I really wonder if this won't blow up in their face. You need really strong leaders in the locker room to handle these type of players. The Patriots situation was different. Harrison was considered a dirty player but not necessarily a problem in the locker room. Moss was fine when you were winning and he was getting the ball. Dillon got a bad rap in my opinion. He was a good soldier with the Bengals for a lot of years, then complained to get out of there, and suddenly he is branded as a problem player. He was a good citizen for many years in Cincinnati and he caused no problems in NE. I think Cromartie, Edwards, and Holmes are all players with the potential to cause a lot of headaches in New York. I think the Jets live to regret making these moves.

All 3 are essentially on 1 year deals. If any is a problem, they will be gone next year.

 

[Reaper]

That's great. Just reinforces this article that I had posted in another thread.

In the NFL, for instance, you'll always have clueless teams such as the New York Jets, who have added Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards and Antonio Cromartie in the past year, taking Al Davis' "Just win, baby" to the extreme. So what if you are a knucklehead for this team? If you wait a while, you can become somebody else's knucklehead with a raise.

For years, the Jets looked for "character guys". Mangini took it to the extreme. They wasted 3rd round draft picks on scrubs like Anthony Schlegal while the Patriots brought in "problem children" like Rodney Harrison, Corey Dillon and Randy Moss. The Jets floundered and the Pats went to superbowls. If you have strong veteran leaders in the locker room, (the Jets have a few) you can afford to take on a few guys with some issues. I've been a jets fan all my life, and if we need to bring in a few jerks to win a title, so be it. Cromartie is a moron who cant wrap it up. Holmes likes smoking pot and Edwards took a swing at one of Lebron's entourage. They've made mistakes, but its not like they killed somebody.

As for the initial point of the post, its kind of a cheesy move, but if not against the rules, oh well. But yeah, it shouldnt be allowed.

I think the Jets are playing with fire by bringing in all these tools. I really wonder if this won't blow up in their face. You need really strong leaders in the locker room to handle these type of players. The Patriots situation was different. Harrison was considered a dirty player but not necessarily a problem in the locker room. Moss was fine when you were winning and he was getting the ball. Dillon got a bad rap in my opinion. He was a good soldier with the Bengals for a lot of years, then complained to get out of there, and suddenly he is branded as a problem player. He was a good citizen for many years in Cincinnati and he caused no problems in NE. I think Cromartie, Edwards, and Holmes are all players with the potential to cause a lot of headaches in New York. I think the Jets live to regret making these moves.

All 3 are essentially on 1 year deals. If any is a problem, they will be gone next year.

Plus.. Like Mort has said - Every team feels like they can handle 3 Questionable guys on each roster.

The Jets have had a pretty good locker room set up of leaders already - Mangini wouldn't touch such players so, they had a good base.

And again, these are 1 year deals for players that have something to prove. I honestly don't see how the Jets can affor to pay Cromartie what he will want given all the other deals they have to get done...

I think Cromartie is a 1 year stop gap and they will draft another CB... Similar with WR - I don't think Braylon and Holmes both get the deals they want here.

 

[Topes]

for years the Niners sidestepped the salary cap with fuzzy math and wall street-like accounting practices...but we care less because they won SB's

The only Super Bowl (singular) they won in the salary cap ers was the 1995 Super Bowl after the 1994 seasin, the first season of the salary cap.

 

[Topes]

Michael Lombardi is reporting that the Jets re-worked Santonio Holmes's deal specifically to move salary this year from the first 4 games of this season to later in the season. Basically it was done so that he wouldn't lose that money due to his suspension. Total conjecture on my part, but I would think that the league is not going to be too happy about that. I don't think that they can do anything about it, but it wouldn't surprise me if they don't give the Jets much leeway on anything this year.

Couldn't you also give him a raise for just the 2010 season equivalent to his missed paychecks?Say you make $1.6 million for 16 games, so a 4 game suspension would cost you $400,000Rework his contract so he gets paid $2,133,333.33 for the 2010 season...he'd "lose" $533,333.33 from his 4 missed games, but he'd make the difference of $1.6 Million.

That was my initial thought, as well, Poochie. Really, nothing to see here. It's an uncapped year. They could have done it any way they wanted.Hardly wrath-worthy, MO. Now, maybe whaith-worthy. I could definitely see Al Davis getting the Nazgûl involved.

 

[Phurfur]

So much for the "integrity of the game".

 

[twistd]

That's great. Just reinforces this article that I had posted in another thread.

In the NFL, for instance, you'll always have clueless teams such as the New York Jets, who have added Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards and Antonio Cromartie in the past year, taking Al Davis' "Just win, baby" to the extreme. So what if you are a knucklehead for this team? If you wait a while, you can become somebody else's knucklehead with a raise.

For years, the Jets looked for "character guys". Mangini took it to the extreme. They wasted 3rd round draft picks on scrubs like Anthony Schlegal while the Patriots brought in "problem children" like Rodney Harrison, Corey Dillon and Randy Moss. The Jets floundered and the Pats went to superbowls. If you have strong veteran leaders in the locker room, (the Jets have a few) you can afford to take on a few guys with some issues. I've been a jets fan all my life, and if we need to bring in a few jerks to win a title, so be it. Cromartie is a moron who cant wrap it up. Holmes likes smoking pot and Edwards took a swing at one of Lebron's entourage. They've made mistakes, but its not like they killed somebody.

As for the initial point of the post, its kind of a cheesy move, but if not against the rules, oh well. But yeah, it shouldnt be allowed.

I think the Jets are playing with fire by bringing in all these tools. I really wonder if this won't blow up in their face. You need really strong leaders in the locker room to handle these type of players. The Patriots situation was different. Harrison was considered a dirty player but not necessarily a problem in the locker room. Moss was fine when you were winning and he was getting the ball. Dillon got a bad rap in my opinion. He was a good soldier with the Bengals for a lot of years, then complained to get out of there, and suddenly he is branded as a problem player. He was a good citizen for many years in Cincinnati and he caused no problems in NE. I think Cromartie, Edwards, and Holmes are all players with the potential to cause a lot of headaches in New York. I think the Jets live to regret making these moves.

All 3 are essentially on 1 year deals. If any is a problem, they will be gone next year.

The thing is that the Jets were very close last year. Their performance in the playoffs was much better than I, or a lot of people expected. There was really good chemistry on the team. And you guys may be right, maybe these guys are one year rentals and if they pose problems, they get launched. Maybe they bring enough to the table to make the team better. But maybe they create enough problems this year to screw up what was really good last year. It will be interesting to see. But I think with the same roster the Jets had last year, obviously minus T Jones, the Jets were already a Super Bowl contender.

 

[Reaper]

The thing is that the Jets were very close last year. Their performance in the playoffs was much better than I, or a lot of people expected. There was really good chemistry on the team. And you guys may be right, maybe these guys are one year rentals and if they pose problems, they get launched. Maybe they bring enough to the table to make the team better. But maybe they create enough problems this year to screw up what was really good last year. It will be interesting to see. But I think with the same roster the Jets had last year, obviously minus T Jones, the Jets were already a Super Bowl contender.

But, They desperately needed another CB - So, what I think they are doing is getting a talented guy in Cromartie to upgrade the spot AND they will at the same time draft another CB to groom and play nickel....

It would be tough to pay Revis And Cro both at top CB dollar.