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[Spartans346]

Is it safe to say Rex is on the hot seat now?

 

[General Tso]

You don't get destroyed this badly on Thanksgiving night and survive unscathed. The team looks undisciplined, unprepared, poor clock management, running the ball down by 35 with 1:00 left in the half.... If it were my team I'd fire him tomorrow.

 

[Mentos]

Is it safe to say Rex is on the hot seat now?

The GM definitely is, but sadly I think the owner enjoys the head coach.

 

[GreenNGold]

Whoever thought it was a good idea to trade anything of value for Tebow is the first that should go.

 

[Furious Styles]

Whoever thought it was a good idea to trade anything of value for Tebow is the first that should go.

Yeah, cause that is the biggest blunder the GM has made

 

[GreenNGold]

Whoever thought it was a good idea to trade anything of value for Tebow is the first that should go.

Yeah, cause that is the biggest blunder the GM has made

Name bigger? (I'm not real familiar with moves the Jets have made, but for the case for Tebow, he gave something of value that was obviously making your team worse, not better, not even a grey area there).

 

[GroveDiesel]

So the news today is that Tebow has 2 cracked ribs and that's why he didn't play. Which just opens up about a dozen more questions like: why wasn't he on the injury report, will the league fine the Jets, why did he play last week with cracked ribs, how much would he have played if he had been healthy, could he have played but Rex is using it as an excuse to continue to cover for Sanchez, etc.

 

[Furious Styles]

Whoever thought it was a good idea to trade anything of value for Tebow is the first that should go.

Yeah, cause that is the biggest blunder the GM has made

Name bigger? (I'm not real familiar with moves the Jets have made, but for the case for Tebow, he gave something of value that was obviously making your team worse, not better, not even a grey area there).

Gholston with the #6 pick in the draft and Sanchez with the #5 pick are two easy ones. Overall their drafting has been really bad the last 4 years.

 

[Kiddnets]

Where do I start with Tannenbaum

From pre-Rex - Mangini hire/fire, Favre, Gholston

hitched wagon to Rex and Sanchez.....

Bart Scott, Calvin Pace signed for huge money and linited production

Constantly trades up and deals picks for vets no one wants....Braylong, Holmes, Tebow....leaving no depth

Zero offensive playmakers....constanlty allowed Rex to spend premium picks on defense and allowed offense to fall apart....name 1 player that the opposing DC has to account for? Thats an indictment on the GM.

As for the HC - it is very clear that he is in over his head - I really dont mind the talking so much but he doesnt have a clue about the offense - and really doesnt seem to care...they bring in the only OC that could make Schotty look like a genius....Rex would be a great DC or college HC but has no business being a NFL HC at this point. While Im not a fan of sanchez there has been no development or proper coaching of the kid since day 1.

But the worst indictment is Tanny could have cut losses on both Sanchez and Holmes but doubled down instead with no competition and now the team is comitted to both of them for close to $30M (yes $30M) in 2013....so the team is a complete disaster and to make it worse there is NO hope for 2013 as well. Not only will the team be mediocre again - they will win just enough to not get a top 10 pick - but what new GM or coach worth anything will come into a situation where those two anchors are on the roster next year at $30M? Tannenbaum should be demoted and only allowed to work on contracts - let Bradaway who is at least a football guy take over for 1 more year then start fresh after the 2013 no hope season.

As a Jet fan I havent been this depressed in a long time

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

yeah, but don't forget you guys still have revis in the back pocket when you get to the superbowl.

 

[Kiddnets]

So the news today is that Tebow has 2 cracked ribs and that's why he didn't play. Which just opens up about a dozen more questions like: why wasn't he on the injury report, will the league fine the Jets, why did he play last week with cracked ribs, how much would he have played if he had been healthy, could he have played but Rex is using it as an excuse to continue to cover for Sanchez, etc.

Assuming Tebow does have 2 cracked ribs - although I wouldnt put it past this organization to make it up so they and Tebow dont look as bad - then why was he not on the injury report...and more important why was the Jets 3rd string QB inactive? Huge game vs the Pats and the only other active QB according to Rex "had trouble breathing normal" and he "wouldnt play his own son under those conditions" - makes no sense and reeks of the brass making it up to cover up that they are going with Sanchez rest of year - hopefully Tebow chants wont happen since he cant play and Sanchez is coddled /protected even more.....what would Tebow get in such a deal to keep his moiuth shut? Trade or release after the season....I think Rex/Tanny thought no one would notice that the 3rd string was inactive! What a circus!

 

[Furious Styles]

NY Reporters throwing out Rex Kotite in the papers today

 

[az_prof]

Whoever thought it was a good idea to trade anything of value for Tebow is the first that should go.

Yeah, cause that is the biggest blunder the GM has made

Name bigger? (I'm not real familiar with moves the Jets have made, but for the case for Tebow, he gave something of value that was obviously making your team worse, not better, not even a grey area there).

How can you blame the team's struggles on a guy who has barely played?

 

[az_prof]

Whoever thought it was a good idea to trade anything of value for Tebow is the first that should go.

Yeah, cause that is the biggest blunder the GM has made

Name bigger? (I'm not real familiar with moves the Jets have made, but for the case for Tebow, he gave something of value that was obviously making your team worse, not better, not even a grey area there).

Gholston with the #6 pick in the draft and Sanchez with the #5 pick are two easy ones. Overall their drafting has been really bad the last 4 years.

Trading for Santonio Holmes was a bad move.

 

[scothawk]

You don't get destroyed this badly on Thanksgiving night and survive unscathed. The team looks undisciplined, unprepared, poor clock management, running the ball down by 35 with 1:00 left in the half.... If it were my team I'd fire him tomorrow.

Those characteristics already in place would save Holmgren a season of work.

 

[njherdfan]

Whoever thought it was a good idea to trade anything of value for Tebow is the first that should go.

Yeah, cause that is the biggest blunder the GM has made

Name bigger? (I'm not real familiar with moves the Jets have made, but for the case for Tebow, he gave something of value that was obviously making your team worse, not better, not even a grey area there).

Gholston with the #6 pick in the draft and Sanchez with the #5 pick are two easy ones. Overall their drafting has been really bad the last 4 years.

Trading for Santonio Holmes was a bad move.

No it wasn't. He was awesome his first year here, they gave up very little, and he was in the last year of his rookie deal. Bidding against themselves to sign him to a 5 year, 50 million dollar deal was a bad move.

 

[zamboni]

Where do I start with TannenbaumFrom pre-Rex - Mangini hire/fire, Favre, Gholstonhitched wagon to Rex and Sanchez.....Bart Scott, Calvin Pace signed for huge money and linited productionConstantly trades up and deals picks for vets no one wants....Braylong, Holmes, Tebow....leaving no depthZero offensive playmakers....constanlty allowed Rex to spend premium picks on defense and allowed offense to fall apart....name 1 player that the opposing DC has to account for? Thats an indictment on the GM. As for the HC - it is very clear that he is in over his head - I really dont mind the talking so much but he doesnt have a clue about the offense - and really doesnt seem to care...they bring in the only OC that could make Schotty look like a genius....Rex would be a great DC or college HC but has no business being a NFL HC at this point. While Im not a fan of sanchez there has been no development or proper coaching of the kid since day 1. But the worst indictment is Tanny could have cut losses on both Sanchez and Holmes but doubled down instead with no competition and now the team is comitted to both of them for close to $30M (yes $30M) in 2013....so the team is a complete disaster and to make it worse there is NO hope for 2013 as well. Not only will the team be mediocre again - they will win just enough to not get a top 10 pick - but what new GM or coach worth anything will come into a situation where those two anchors are on the roster next year at $30M? Tannenbaum should be demoted and only allowed to work on contracts - let Bradaway who is at least a football guy take over for 1 more year then start fresh after the 2013 no hope season. As a Jet fan I havent been this depressed in a long time

Kid, I give you credit for even laying it out there. I am so disgusted, I can't even talk about it today with anyone. Hurts more when you're a season ticket holder and paying precious coin to watch these buffoons.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Where do I start with TannenbaumFrom pre-Rex - Mangini hire/fire, Favre, Gholstonhitched wagon to Rex and Sanchez.....Bart Scott, Calvin Pace signed for huge money and linited productionConstantly trades up and deals picks for vets no one wants....Braylong, Holmes, Tebow....leaving no depthZero offensive playmakers....constanlty allowed Rex to spend premium picks on defense and allowed offense to fall apart....name 1 player that the opposing DC has to account for? Thats an indictment on the GM. As for the HC - it is very clear that he is in over his head - I really dont mind the talking so much but he doesnt have a clue about the offense - and really doesnt seem to care...they bring in the only OC that could make Schotty look like a genius....Rex would be a great DC or college HC but has no business being a NFL HC at this point. While Im not a fan of sanchez there has been no development or proper coaching of the kid since day 1. But the worst indictment is Tanny could have cut losses on both Sanchez and Holmes but doubled down instead with no competition and now the team is comitted to both of them for close to $30M (yes $30M) in 2013....so the team is a complete disaster and to make it worse there is NO hope for 2013 as well. Not only will the team be mediocre again - they will win just enough to not get a top 10 pick - but what new GM or coach worth anything will come into a situation where those two anchors are on the roster next year at $30M? Tannenbaum should be demoted and only allowed to work on contracts - let Bradaway who is at least a football guy take over for 1 more year then start fresh after the 2013 no hope season. As a Jet fan I havent been this depressed in a long time

Mike Tannenbaum is known locally here in New Orleans as having attended Tulane's sports management graduate school and then latching on to the Jets at a very young age.Really, what were this guy's credentials when he was hired as GM? What kind of real world NFL resume did he have?

 

[Apple Jack]

Whoever thought it was a good idea to trade anything of value for Tebow is the first that should go.

Yeah, cause that is the biggest blunder the GM has made

The Tebow pick-up was a publicity stunt. He's a non-factor in the performance of the Tannenbaum and the team.

 

[Kiddnets]

Where do I start with TannenbaumFrom pre-Rex - Mangini hire/fire, Favre, Gholstonhitched wagon to Rex and Sanchez.....Bart Scott, Calvin Pace signed for huge money and linited productionConstantly trades up and deals picks for vets no one wants....Braylong, Holmes, Tebow....leaving no depthZero offensive playmakers....constanlty allowed Rex to spend premium picks on defense and allowed offense to fall apart....name 1 player that the opposing DC has to account for? Thats an indictment on the GM. As for the HC - it is very clear that he is in over his head - I really dont mind the talking so much but he doesnt have a clue about the offense - and really doesnt seem to care...they bring in the only OC that could make Schotty look like a genius....Rex would be a great DC or college HC but has no business being a NFL HC at this point. While Im not a fan of sanchez there has been no development or proper coaching of the kid since day 1. But the worst indictment is Tanny could have cut losses on both Sanchez and Holmes but doubled down instead with no competition and now the team is comitted to both of them for close to $30M (yes $30M) in 2013....so the team is a complete disaster and to make it worse there is NO hope for 2013 as well. Not only will the team be mediocre again - they will win just enough to not get a top 10 pick - but what new GM or coach worth anything will come into a situation where those two anchors are on the roster next year at $30M? Tannenbaum should be demoted and only allowed to work on contracts - let Bradaway who is at least a football guy take over for 1 more year then start fresh after the 2013 no hope season. As a Jet fan I havent been this depressed in a long time

Mike Tannenbaum is known locally here in New Orleans as having attended Tulane's sports management graduate school and then latching on to the Jets at a very young age.Really, what were this guy's credentials when he was hired as GM? What kind of real world NFL resume did he have?

From what I knmow he had zero football experience...I dont believe he ever played, coached or scouted...guy was Parcells salary cap contract whiz kid....stayed as an assistant through Herm and when Bradaway got sacked he took over....it is clear he has minimal experience in evaluating talent and almost runs the team like a fantasy roster - trying to land big splash names rather than build through the draft...problem is Woody loves the big splash as well and loved Rex and Tanny....I fear it will take a complete meltdown (which is very possible) with a ton of no shows down the stretch (again very possible) for Woody to make a move. And even if he does...as I pointed out....who the heck would want the job that is any good?

 

[Kiddnets]

Where do I start with TannenbaumFrom pre-Rex - Mangini hire/fire, Favre, Gholstonhitched wagon to Rex and Sanchez.....Bart Scott, Calvin Pace signed for huge money and linited productionConstantly trades up and deals picks for vets no one wants....Braylong, Holmes, Tebow....leaving no depthZero offensive playmakers....constanlty allowed Rex to spend premium picks on defense and allowed offense to fall apart....name 1 player that the opposing DC has to account for? Thats an indictment on the GM. As for the HC - it is very clear that he is in over his head - I really dont mind the talking so much but he doesnt have a clue about the offense - and really doesnt seem to care...they bring in the only OC that could make Schotty look like a genius....Rex would be a great DC or college HC but has no business being a NFL HC at this point. While Im not a fan of sanchez there has been no development or proper coaching of the kid since day 1. But the worst indictment is Tanny could have cut losses on both Sanchez and Holmes but doubled down instead with no competition and now the team is comitted to both of them for close to $30M (yes $30M) in 2013....so the team is a complete disaster and to make it worse there is NO hope for 2013 as well. Not only will the team be mediocre again - they will win just enough to not get a top 10 pick - but what new GM or coach worth anything will come into a situation where those two anchors are on the roster next year at $30M? Tannenbaum should be demoted and only allowed to work on contracts - let Bradaway who is at least a football guy take over for 1 more year then start fresh after the 2013 no hope season. As a Jet fan I havent been this depressed in a long time

Kid, I give you credit for even laying it out there. I am so disgusted, I can't even talk about it today with anyone. Hurts more when you're a season ticket holder and paying precious coin to watch these buffoons.

Stupid to be this upset and it is 100% my fault but to rush through holiday dinner to get to the stadium with my 11 yr old to watch that debacle was ridiculous....Woody should have a press conference today apologizing for all the fans that gave up a part of their holiday to watch that....then to see Rex at his press conference rmbarass himself with the Sanchez is the teams best chance to win and Tebow injury debacle....disgraceful....those 2 AFCCGs back to back feel like 100 yrs ago!Sorry to keep posting - family has had season tix since Namath signed and I have ben going since Shea Stadium days...one of my 1st memories is Jerome Barkum catching a TD vs Miami....this is my therapy as I am more disgusted than I have been since the Kotite days.

 

[Kiddnets]

Whoever thought it was a good idea to trade anything of value for Tebow is the first that should go.

Yeah, cause that is the biggest blunder the GM has made

The Tebow pick-up was a publicity stunt. He's a non-factor in the performance of the Tannenbaum and the team.

I disagree - the entire offseason they talked aboiut getting a legit backup QB to push and be a legit option from Sanchez...while Tebow was a publicity stunt the guy won games last year and took it down the Jets throat when they still had playoff hopes. I think we all can agree that whether it is all Sanchez's fault or not he has been one of if not the worst starting QB in the league the past 2 yrs....to not play Tebow at this point is an absolute admission that they dont consider him a backup QB in any way which makes no sense. He literally can't do any worse than Sanchez...who now is a star in football follies by running into his OL's butt and immediatley fumbling for a TD.... What could Tebow do worse? Moon the sideline while fumbling? They had a decent backup signed in Stanton and traded him for Tebow...by allowing this to play out as it has they are admitting they went into the season without a backup....awful job by GM and coach and another example of why they should go..

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

at least you are not the lions, or chargers

UGH

 

[Kiddnets]

at least you are not the lions, or chargersUGH

I would change entire teams with both the Lions and SD right now....Lions have some real talent on that team plus a franchise QB...just need a better coach....SD at least has a QB that is good if they didnt cheap out and take away his best weapon...both will have new GM/coaches next year and both are more attractive jobs than the Jets IMO

 

[njherdfan]

at least you are not the lions, or chargersUGH

I would change entire teams with both the Lions and SD right now....Lions have some real talent on that team plus a franchise QB...just need a better coach....SD at least has a QB that is good if they didnt cheap out and take away his best weapon...both will have new GM/coaches next year and both are more attractive jobs than the Jets IMO

Extending Sanchez's contract last year was monumentally stupid and will lead to an even worse year next season. There's a huge deficiency in talent, and there isn't even much on the roster that could be traded for picks.

 

[Kiddnets]

at least you are not the lions, or chargersUGH

I would change entire teams with both the Lions and SD right now....Lions have some real talent on that team plus a franchise QB...just need a better coach....SD at least has a QB that is good if they didnt cheap out and take away his best weapon...both will have new GM/coaches next year and both are more attractive jobs than the Jets IMO

Extending Sanchez's contract last year was monumentally stupid and will lead to an even worse year next season. There's a huge deficiency in talent, and there isn't even much on the roster that could be traded for picks.

Can you imagine Sanchez getting another year as the starter? Its almost like a twilight zone episode....I get a coach defending his player but it is clear at this point that Rex is delusional re Sanchez....most QBs were benched at one time or another in their career....I actually think it would be good for Sanchez to sit and watch a game or 2...he has no fear of losing his job to the point where its nauseating....thats on the Coach and GM and they should go down with the ship..Also at this point its clear Revis should be dealt for picks to rebuild....Jets dont need a CB making crazy money even if he is the best there is....so what happens? Revis blows out his knee killing any value to deal him. Jet luck at its finest!

 

[Mentos]

Whoever thought it was a good idea to trade anything of value for Tebow is the first that should go.

Yeah, cause that is the biggest blunder the GM has made

Name bigger? (I'm not real familiar with moves the Jets have made, but for the case for Tebow, he gave something of value that was obviously making your team worse, not better, not even a grey area there).

Gholston with the #6 pick in the draft and Sanchez with the #5 pick are two easy ones. Overall their drafting has been really bad the last 4 years.

Trading for Santonio Holmes was a bad move.

It was a good move. He was going to be motivated to get a big contract. The day it happened I thought he was worth a 5th round pick for 12 regular season games plus any possible playoff games. Then I figured the Jets would smartly not bother to re-sign him. Getting him for 2010 was good. Bringing him back for 2011 and giving him a huge contract was dumb.

 

[ROCKET]

Cheer up, you did have Bill B as coach for a few hours

 

[INRIhab]

Jets had their shot at a super bowl after beating Peyton / Brady in the playoffs back in 2010. That was their year and they missed it. Defense has been getting progressively worse over the years and their offense lacks a single playmaker. Time to hit reset.

As for Tannenbaum, here is his draft history. Not impressive at all over the last 3 years

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Maybe someone should ask Joe Namath.Seriously. The Jets had a blueprint a long time ago and they deviated from it.Namath was calling out Ryan in the 2011 preseason and he got beat up for it. Looks like he was pretty prescient:

“It’s rather alarming,” Namath said on the Michael Kay Show. “It starts at the top. Coach Rex Ryan, he’s been doing a great job, getting us to two conference championship games, but there’s one thing about the athlete: You keep telling him how good he is, he’s going to start believing it to the point that he may not be preparing quite the way he should. He may be losing some respect for the other team.”

“I think these guys might be believing that they’re better than they are,” Namath said. “Rex has been the only coach that we know, in maybe the history of the game that I’m familiar with, that keeps continually telling his guys how good they are. And they have been pretty good — pretty good — but they haven’t won a championship yet. I think they’ve got to remember that there’s room for improvement.”

But Namath also seems to believe that Ryan is doing his players a disservice by not calling them out when they make mistakes — including what Namath called a “bonehead decision” by Mark Sanchez on an interception against the Raiders.

Ryan's response:

Ryan wasn’t having any of it Monday. His team faces the Ravens on Sunday in Baltimore. “I’m not gonna change who I am because Joe Namath said something,” Ryan said. “Joe Namath can come in here, and if he can still throw, we’ll have him as a backup quarterback [he’s 68]. He doesn’t know our team. He’s on the outside. Even though he’s a Jet, and once you’re a Jet you’re always a Jet ... but he’s on the outside, he’s not in these meetings. I think if he was he’d be shocked at the preparation.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/post/joe-namath-questions-rex-ryans-methods/2011/09/27/gIQAAqM12K_blog.htmlhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/26/joe-namath-rex-ryan-has-jets-thinking-theyre-better-than-they-are/Namath apparently in August 2011 absolutely nailed what is wrong with this team. Ryan and his team walk around like the biggest baddest bully in the school yard but when they actually get in a fight they get their mouths punched in. Now even the mathletes laugh at them.Namath has a Championship where Ryan has none and he will be a Jets insider long after Ryan is gone, and that may not be long. Maybe this team needs to start rebuilding its offensive reputation.

 

[zamboni]

Namath is typically soused when he's interviewed, so it doesn't come across well, but he's always had good insight into the pulse of the team.

 

[INRIhab]

Maybe someone should ask Joe Namath.Seriously. The Jets had a blueprint a long time ago and they deviated from it.Namath was calling out Ryan in the 2011 preseason and he got beat up for it. Looks like he was pretty prescient:

“It’s rather alarming,” Namath said on the Michael Kay Show. “It starts at the top. Coach Rex Ryan, he’s been doing a great job, getting us to two conference championship games, but there’s one thing about the athlete: You keep telling him how good he is, he’s going to start believing it to the point that he may not be preparing quite the way he should. He may be losing some respect for the other team.”

“I think these guys might be believing that they’re better than they are,” Namath said. “Rex has been the only coach that we know, in maybe the history of the game that I’m familiar with, that keeps continually telling his guys how good they are. And they have been pretty good — pretty good — but they haven’t won a championship yet. I think they’ve got to remember that there’s room for improvement.”

But Namath also seems to believe that Ryan is doing his players a disservice by not calling them out when they make mistakes — including what Namath called a “bonehead decision” by Mark Sanchez on an interception against the Raiders.

Ryan's response:

Ryan wasn’t having any of it Monday. His team faces the Ravens on Sunday in Baltimore. “I’m not gonna change who I am because Joe Namath said something,” Ryan said. “Joe Namath can come in here, and if he can still throw, we’ll have him as a backup quarterback [he’s 68]. He doesn’t know our team. He’s on the outside. Even though he’s a Jet, and once you’re a Jet you’re always a Jet ... but he’s on the outside, he’s not in these meetings. I think if he was he’d be shocked at the preparation.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/post/joe-namath-questions-rex-ryans-methods/2011/09/27/gIQAAqM12K_blog.htmlhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/26/joe-namath-rex-ryan-has-jets-thinking-theyre-better-than-they-are/Namath apparently in August 2011 absolutely nailed what is wrong with this team. Ryan and his team walk around like the biggest baddest bully in the school yard but when they actually get in a fight they get their mouths punched in. Now even the mathletes laugh at them.Namath has a Championship where Ryan has none and he will be a Jets insider long after Ryan is gone, and that may not be long. Maybe this team needs to start rebuilding its offensive reputation.

This is a good point. The Jets had a lot of early success with Sanchez at the helm and I think Rex's personality is not suited well for early success. Maybe Rex will someday realize that humility is not a bad characteristic for a coach.

 

[INRIhab]

Whoever thought it was a good idea to trade anything of value for Tebow is the first that should go.

Yeah, cause that is the biggest blunder the GM has made

The Tebow pick-up was a publicity stunt. He's a non-factor in the performance of the Tannenbaum and the team.

I disagree - the entire offseason they talked aboiut getting a legit backup QB to push and be a legit option from Sanchez...while Tebow was a publicity stunt the guy won games last year and took it down the Jets throat when they still had playoff hopes. I think we all can agree that whether it is all Sanchez's fault or not he has been one of if not the worst starting QB in the league the past 2 yrs....to not play Tebow at this point is an absolute admission that they dont consider him a backup QB in any way which makes no sense. He literally can't do any worse than Sanchez...who now is a star in football follies by running into his OL's butt and immediatley fumbling for a TD.... What could Tebow do worse? Moon the sideline while fumbling? They had a decent backup signed in Stanton and traded him for Tebow...by allowing this to play out as it has they are admitting they went into the season without a backup....awful job by GM and coach and another example of why they should go..

 

[Kiddnets]

Maybe someone should ask Joe Namath.Seriously. The Jets had a blueprint a long time ago and they deviated from it.Namath was calling out Ryan in the 2011 preseason and he got beat up for it. Looks like he was pretty prescient:

“It’s rather alarming,” Namath said on the Michael Kay Show. “It starts at the top. Coach Rex Ryan, he’s been doing a great job, getting us to two conference championship games, but there’s one thing about the athlete: You keep telling him how good he is, he’s going to start believing it to the point that he may not be preparing quite the way he should. He may be losing some respect for the other team.”

“I think these guys might be believing that they’re better than they are,” Namath said. “Rex has been the only coach that we know, in maybe the history of the game that I’m familiar with, that keeps continually telling his guys how good they are. And they have been pretty good — pretty good — but they haven’t won a championship yet. I think they’ve got to remember that there’s room for improvement.”

But Namath also seems to believe that Ryan is doing his players a disservice by not calling them out when they make mistakes — including what Namath called a “bonehead decision” by Mark Sanchez on an interception against the Raiders.

Ryan's response:

Ryan wasn’t having any of it Monday. His team faces the Ravens on Sunday in Baltimore. “I’m not gonna change who I am because Joe Namath said something,” Ryan said. “Joe Namath can come in here, and if he can still throw, we’ll have him as a backup quarterback [he’s 68]. He doesn’t know our team. He’s on the outside. Even though he’s a Jet, and once you’re a Jet you’re always a Jet ... but he’s on the outside, he’s not in these meetings. I think if he was he’d be shocked at the preparation.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/post/joe-namath-questions-rex-ryans-methods/2011/09/27/gIQAAqM12K_blog.htmlhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/26/joe-namath-rex-ryan-has-jets-thinking-theyre-better-than-they-are/Namath apparently in August 2011 absolutely nailed what is wrong with this team. Ryan and his team walk around like the biggest baddest bully in the school yard but when they actually get in a fight they get their mouths punched in. Now even the mathletes laugh at them.Namath has a Championship where Ryan has none and he will be a Jets insider long after Ryan is gone, and that may not be long. Maybe this team needs to start rebuilding its offensive reputation.

This is a good point. The Jets had a lot of early success with Sanchez at the helm and I think Rex's personality is not suited well for early success. Maybe Rex will someday realize that humility is not a bad characteristic for a coach.

For the Jets and probably most teams there is a pattern of disciplinarian followed by players coach and then back again....it seems that each extreme just does not work...they had Club Herm whose act wore thin then Mangini alienated everyone by trying to act like Parcells/BB without the rings....Rex was a breath of fresh air...players love him and he has faith in his players to the part that its a fault. Everyone know sanchez should be benched and Scott shouldnt be on the field...but Rex cant let it go. Thats is a huge problem and goes beyond being a mere players coach....throw in the complete lack of input and knowledge on offense which never really gave Sanchez a chance and you have a coach that needs to go. I hate changing coaches but this regime has made errors to the point of no return...as a former Net once said "The ship be sinking" and Rex doesnt even know it.

 

[Northbound Train]

at least you are not the lions, or chargers

UGH

I would change entire teams with both the Lions and SD right now....Lions have some real talent on that team plus a franchise QB...just need a better coach....SD at least has a QB that is good if they didnt cheap out and take away his best weapon...both will have new GM/coaches next year and both are more attractive jobs than the Jets IMO

Lions will NOT have a new HC and I highly doubt the GM goes...Detroit has had a few solid drafts since that bafoon Millen was let go...if you keep that tard around that long, do you really think WCF makes a move after they finally went to the playoffs...NOT A CHANCE. Lions are stuck with a HC that makes many critical gameday errors and IMO he's in over his head as well...the OC or DC may get canned on the other hand

 

[rockaction]

Jets had their shot at a super bowl after beating Peyton / Brady in the playoffs back in 2010. That was their year and they missed it. Defense has been getting progressively worse over the years and their offense lacks a single playmaker. Time to hit reset.

As for Tannenbaum, here is his draft history. Not impressive at all over the last 3 years

Also, it didn't help having to go on the road to Pittsburgh with Sanchez at the helm.

 

[Witz]

Cheer up, you did have Bill B as coach for a few hours

I love Patriots fans and their love of Bill Belichick.

Pre-Brady as a Starter

Regular Season Record of 41-57

Post Season Record of 1-1

Post-Brady as a Starter

Regular Season Record of 134-40

Post Season Record of 16-6

Belicheat wasn't exactly lighting it up before Brady came along (also love how his six seasons prior to Brady being his starter he had losing seasons in five of the six seasons - including his only losing season as a NE head coach). You guys can keep the cheater.

 

[Witz]

Namath has a Championship where Ryan has none and he will be a Jets insider long after Ryan is gone, and that may not be long. Maybe this team needs to start rebuilding its offensive reputation.

Ryan actually has one with the Baltimore Ravens.

 

[Witz]

at least you are not the lions, or chargersUGH

I would change entire teams with both the Lions and SD right now....Lions have some real talent on that team plus a franchise QB...just need a better coach....SD at least has a QB that is good if they didnt cheap out and take away his best weapon...both will have new GM/coaches next year and both are more attractive jobs than the Jets IMO

Extending Sanchez's contract last year was monumentally stupid and will lead to an even worse year next season. There's a huge deficiency in talent, and there isn't even much on the roster that could be traded for picks.

Can you imagine Sanchez getting another year as the starter? Its almost like a twilight zone episode....I get a coach defending his player but it is clear at this point that Rex is delusional re Sanchez....most QBs were benched at one time or another in their career....I actually think it would be good for Sanchez to sit and watch a game or 2...he has no fear of losing his job to the point where its nauseating....thats on the Coach and GM and they should go down with the ship..Also at this point its clear Revis should be dealt for picks to rebuild....Jets dont need a CB making crazy money even if he is the best there is....so what happens? Revis blows out his knee killing any value to deal him. Jet luck at its finest!

Here's the thing - I don't think it's him defending Sanchez blindly - I just think they don't have any other options and that Sanchez is the best of what they have. I think most folks would agree that Tebow isn't the answer which just leaves McElroy - maybe they just haven't seen enough of him in practice to be given the starting job. I don't know. That's the only thing I can think of from this past game where only Sanchez and Tebow (who they said was hurt) were the only two that suited up. If McElroy is that bad that they didn't even want him to suit up, than get rid of him. It's an ugly situation no matter which way you look at it.

 

[TLEF316]

The Jets are an absolute trainwreck this season. No denying that. I predicted 8-8 at the start (9-7 as a stretch) but that obviously went out the window when Revis went down. At that point, I figured 6 wins.

QB- I used to put most of the blame for Sanchez's poor play on Schottenheimer. His play calling and game planning was atrocious. This year, Mark has proven without a shadow of a doubt that he is just a terrible decision maker. He makes many dumb plays and that isn't going to change. Sparano is awful, but I don't think they'll fire him after 1 year. Because of Mark's contract, he's going to get 1 more year. After next year, he and Sparano will both be gone. Tebow was a horrible mistake from day 1 for many reasons and they should trade him for whatever they can get this off-season.

RB- If you have a bad QB, you can't have RB's with no big play ability. It just won't work. Greene is a backup talent at best (and a fragile one at that) who doesn't have a single skill that is above average for an NFL RB. Yeah, he's big, but he doesn't move the pile and doesn't break tackles. He's too slow to break big runs, doesn't catch well and has mediocre vision at best. He should be let go this off-season and the Jets should spend a high pick or trade for a RB. (I wouldn't mind taking a flier on Ingram for a mid-rounder. He's not a big play guy either, but he has ability between the tackles). The jury is still out on Powell, but I think he can be an ok backup if you have a stud starter. McKnight is a great KR, so he stays.

WR- Holmes is a # 1 WR in attitude only. He's a malcontent and a diva (His little ball drop routine every time he catches a ### #### first down makes me want to hit him with my truck). Unfortunately, the Jets would have 11 million + in dead money if he is cut before next year. Its only a 1.25 Mil cap savings, so unfortunately, he's probably here to stay. If I'm running the team, I bite the bullet and cut him. Jeremy Kerley is developing into a very nice slot guy. He's on the road to being a high end WR3 or a serviceable WR2. Steven Hill is a physical monster, but he's so raw and cant catch. Total wild card.

TE- Keller is average or maybe slightly above. The Jets really haven't used him to his full potential. He's a UFA this off-season and I could see some other team throwing some decent money at him. I wouldn't be shocked if the Jets let him walk. He's a good player, but not worth breaking the bank over when your team isn't going anywhere and you're on the cusp of a total re-build. Cumberland is an OK TE2, but nothing special. Very replaceable.

O-line- Ferguson and Mangold are legitimate pro-bowlers and Austin Howard has been a pleasant surprise at RT. (He's a RFA this year, so I hope nobody snatches him) Brandon Moore is still a good player, but nothing special. Slausen is tough, but really is just another guy. Ducasse isn't the turnstile he was when he got here, but for a high 2nd rounder, he's a major bust. Awful, awful draft pick. Why would you ever waste a 2 on a small school guard when the big ten and SEC spit out 4th and 5th round lineman that end up being 10 year starters every freaking year. Moore is a UFA this year, but I hope he's brought back. They'll have enough other holes to fill. Jason Smith has a huge roster bonus coming (almost 12 mil) so he's an obvious cut/major re-structure.

D-Line- Pouha is an above average NT, but hasn't been healthy all year. DeVito is a good run stuffer, but not much else. Wilkerson has really come along this year and appears to be a keeper. Coples has been a non-factor so far. Too early to tell, but looking like another questionable pick. Ellis has also shown a few small flashes, but he's always banged up.

LB- Tannenbaum made a major mistake last year guaranteeing Pace and Scott's salaries for 2012 (was done during the pursuit of Asomouha to open up cap room). Both players are replacement level at best right now and cutting them will save almost 16 millon dollars. So long. David Harris continues to be a great run stuffer, but provides little else. No pass rush or coverage skills. On a great LB core with pass rushers on the edges, he's a tremendous piece. On this team, he's a very good player whose salary probably outweighs his impact. But, he's obviously here to stay. Rookie DeMario Davis has shown some potential this year with his speed and decent coverage skills. Probably not ready to start yet, but as a situational guy, he's a solid cheap developmental option going forward.

CB- Revis should come back ok and Cromartie, while an idiot, is a very, very good CB2. Wilson is a disaster as a starting CB because he's terrible with his back to the QB. He doesn't turn and run that well and he is ALWAYS late looking for the ball. But he'll return to his role as a slot guy next year with #24 back, and he's ok there. Still a bad first round pick, but he's a good nickle with a very reasonable cap number. Lankster isn't great, but how many teams have 4 good CB's?

S- Landry and Bell have been a big help this year, but as a tandem, they're not a long term answer. The Jets need a true ball hawking FS who can play center-field. That probably means they let Bell walk and try to re-sign Landry. Eric Smith is the definition of mediocre. Decent depth, but below average across the board from a skill-set perspective.

Special teams- has been awful all year. Some plays were flukey, but you can only have so many flukes before its officially an issue. We're well past that point. Its absolutely shocking considering how great Westoff's units have always been. He's retiring this year, so we'll get a chance to get a new voice in there. Probably not a bad thing.

So at this point, if I was running things, next year's team would look like this (assuming everyone comes back healthy) Bolded entries are mystery players at this point

QB- Sanchez (only because he's too expensive to cut), VETERAN BACKUP, McElroy

RB- HIGH DRAFT PICK OR TRADE, Powell, McKnight

FB- Hilliard (although he's awful mentally and should probably be replaced)

WR- Holmes (unfortunately), Kerley, Hill

TE- Keller, Cumberland

OL, Ferguson, Slausen, Mangold, MAYBE MOORE, Howard

DL, Wilkerson, Pouha, Coples, Devito

ILB- Harris, FREE AGENT, Davis

OLB- NO IDEA. Probably the best place to spend our first round pick

CB- Revis, Cromartie, Wilson, Lankster

S- Landry, DRAFT PICK

The big issue is that Holmes' contract means there is no quick fix for the WR position. They have so many holes to fill that you almost have to bring him back again. You're not going to find a WR1 out of thin air. The defense is 1 or 2 decent pass rushers and a decent FS away from being very good again. So, gun to my head, I spend my first 3 draft picks on OLB, RB and FS and spend my mid and late round picks trying to find a serviceable guard or developmental WR with potential. Spend my FA dollars on another OLB or any sort of decent WR (if holmes is cut). If you can get a decent starting RB by trading a 3rd or 4th rounder, I'd do it.

Unless a miracle happens with Sanchez, its going to be a long road. They can't truly re-build the offense until NEXT off-season, when Holmes will be shown the door. Sanchez also becomes very cuttable at that point.