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The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
Schwartz sucks! What coach couldn't take the worst team in NFL history and make them a playoff team two years later? It is a really easy task to do and Schwartz is terrible for not doing it!
Maelstrom
Footballguy
The expectation of Detroit fan is ridiculous (I live near Detroit, so I hear the radio and read the paper and talk to the fans, I can say that.) The Lions had SO little talent and this year have been very competitive despite their best weapons on offense being hurt and a defense that still isn't completely overhauled (LB/Secondary.)
Is the QB going to be able to overcome the injuries and make it through an entire season unhurt? Cause when he is playing, he is doing everything they ask him do and looks pretty good doing it. But you can't take an average (at best) squad, and then have the injuries they've had and win. They are putting players in place, but you can't overhaul the entire roster at once so the depth is thin just like the talent. A couple key injuries hurts the Lions more than it does a quality team.
Excuses being said...I think the Lions are on the right track, I think the team is growing, and they should be pushing .500 or even playoffs, next year if they can stay healthy. I know it's hard to wait 3 entire years to go from 0-16 and worst team ever to thinking about the playoffs, but it looks like its going in the right direction.
Vikings fan here, despite living in Lion's territory - If anyone wants to pick up Childress now, I hear he's available :happydance:
Is the QB going to be able to overcome the injuries and make it through an entire season unhurt? Cause when he is playing, he is doing everything they ask him do and looks pretty good doing it. But you can't take an average (at best) squad, and then have the injuries they've had and win. They are putting players in place, but you can't overhaul the entire roster at once so the depth is thin just like the talent. A couple key injuries hurts the Lions more than it does a quality team.
Excuses being said...I think the Lions are on the right track, I think the team is growing, and they should be pushing .500 or even playoffs, next year if they can stay healthy. I know it's hard to wait 3 entire years to go from 0-16 and worst team ever to thinking about the playoffs, but it looks like its going in the right direction.
Vikings fan here, despite living in Lion's territory - If anyone wants to pick up Childress now, I hear he's available :happydance:
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
He's on the clock starting next year. The OP is right, the Lions have played aweful the last couple weeks, these were two road games that were definately winnable but they just didn't get the job done. The Lions are committing way too many penalties, Schwartz's clock management is HIGHLY questionable, and they look to be in line for yet another top 5 pick, amazing.
My gut tells me the Lions improve in the win column next year and push for a playoff spot. They need a healthy Stafford and Best, bring in some more talent via free agency and another solid draft and they'll be right around 9-7 competing for a wild card spot.
My gut tells me the Lions improve in the win column next year and push for a playoff spot. They need a healthy Stafford and Best, bring in some more talent via free agency and another solid draft and they'll be right around 9-7 competing for a wild card spot.
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LarryAllen'sJockstrap
Footballguy
Detroit and the Giants...sorry, text I got from Verizon NFL text thing, didn't bother checkingDetroit and the Giants...
babydemon90
Footballguy
a Dallas team with a new head coach, that had just beaten the Giants at home.....
Northbound Train
Footballguy
Another prime example of our team having a solid half and coming out completely overmatched at half....Schwartz has to be held accountable for one colossal meltdown after another. Far better discipline today but the lack of execution/game pland in the 2nd is mind boggling. I bet we've lead every game this season at some point with some being considerable leads 
I assume you posted this before the 4th quarter complete collapse/meltdown/Royal Rumble.Another prime example of our team having a solid half and coming out completely overmatched at half....Schwartz has to be held accountable for one colossal meltdown after another. Far better discipline today but the lack of execution/game pland in the 2nd is mind boggling. I bet we've lead every game this season at some point with some being considerable leads
Northbound Train
Footballguy
Here's a quick breakdown of our 11 games this year. I know many of you guys see the highlights/scores and say "Wow, the Lions are improving"....fact of the matter is that those of us that watch this club that'll rip your heart out week in, week out know that it's more than just a tight score showing progress...this team is regressing 27 games into H.C Jim Schwartz' tenure...we are not playing anywhere near 60 minutes a game and often times like today (glad you all finally got to see it) we come out flat and have no answers in the 2nd half. That is the responsibilty of the H.C...don't give me the Stafford being injured angle! All kinds of "good" teams overcome adversity and just plug another player in there (Bledsoe-Brady anyone). Until we win a "statement game", get a road W or at the very least get our pre-snap penalties in order you can count me in as one guy that has seen enough already.
Teams like the BUcs, Bears, Seahawks, Rams, Chiefs to name a few that have either a young/new H.C or an average team f you will are finding ways to get it done. SCHWARTZ IS NOT!
Week 1) Lead division rival in CHI a couple minutes into 2Q and do not score again
Week 2) Lead Eagles 17-7 eight minutes thru 2Q and then allow 28 unanswered before a couple late meaningless TDs .
Week 3) Take 7-0 lead at MINN before trailing 14-10 at half....never scored again. 2 end zone INTs + a pair of DEF penalties negating turnovers became our undoing
Week 4) Down 21-14 at half at GB we settle for 4 2nd half FGs and lose by 2...one of our better 2nd halfs but not enough
Week 5) Complete game rout the Rams at home
Week 6) Lead 7-0 at Giants but 11 penalties unravelled them.
Week 8) Lead 7-0 early and need 23 pt 4Q effort by the Leo's to put away the Skins. Solid all around game for the most part.
Week 9) Lions lead 7-0 and 21-10 late at home vs JETS before a complete meltdown
Week 10) Lions don't score TD until 14 seconds left in game vs previous 0-8 Bills...terrible game from the onset
Week 11) Lions lead 12-7 at Dallas before completely unravelling in the 3Q
Week 12) Lions lead 17-10 at home on Turkey Day before coming out the tunell at half and gettting outscored 35-7 in the 2nd half....complete joke!!!
Pretty sure he gets a 3rd season next year and can see the logic behind it as it does take some time to build a team from ground up but for f u c k sakes can he get something/anything done!!!!!
Teams like the BUcs, Bears, Seahawks, Rams, Chiefs to name a few that have either a young/new H.C or an average team f you will are finding ways to get it done. SCHWARTZ IS NOT!
Week 1) Lead division rival in CHI a couple minutes into 2Q and do not score again
Week 2) Lead Eagles 17-7 eight minutes thru 2Q and then allow 28 unanswered before a couple late meaningless TDs .
Week 3) Take 7-0 lead at MINN before trailing 14-10 at half....never scored again. 2 end zone INTs + a pair of DEF penalties negating turnovers became our undoing
Week 4) Down 21-14 at half at GB we settle for 4 2nd half FGs and lose by 2...one of our better 2nd halfs but not enough
Week 5) Complete game rout the Rams at home
Week 6) Lead 7-0 at Giants but 11 penalties unravelled them.
Week 8) Lead 7-0 early and need 23 pt 4Q effort by the Leo's to put away the Skins. Solid all around game for the most part.
Week 9) Lions lead 7-0 and 21-10 late at home vs JETS before a complete meltdown
Week 10) Lions don't score TD until 14 seconds left in game vs previous 0-8 Bills...terrible game from the onset
Week 11) Lions lead 12-7 at Dallas before completely unravelling in the 3Q
Week 12) Lions lead 17-10 at home on Turkey Day before coming out the tunell at half and gettting outscored 35-7 in the 2nd half....complete joke!!!
Pretty sure he gets a 3rd season next year and can see the logic behind it as it does take some time to build a team from ground up but for f u c k sakes can he get something/anything done!!!!!
Jack Burton
Footballguy
The Lions should try and re-unite swartz and Fisher. Maybe then they could win a game or two
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
The Lions were just outplayed yesterday. They don't have the peeps to play with a team like NE. That Smith got absolutely schooled all game yesterday, that had nothing to do with coaching, he's just simply overmatched.I mean, the game was far from perfect from a coaching perspective but it wasn't coaching that cost that game yesterday. We're all frustrated with the lack of success the Lions have had, even in the Schwartz era but he's not getting fired nor does he deserve to. There are signs of improvement and although that's a tough pill to swallow, that's all we have.Here's a quick breakdown of our 11 games this year. I know many of you guys see the highlights/scores and say "Wow, the Lions are improving"....fact of the matter is that those of us that watch this club that'll rip your heart out week in, week out know that it's more than just a tight score showing progress...this team is regressing 27 games into H.C Jim Schwartz' tenure...we are not playing anywhere near 60 minutes a game and often times like today (glad you all finally got to see it) we come out flat and have no answers in the 2nd half. That is the responsibilty of the H.C...don't give me the Stafford being injured angle! All kinds of "good" teams overcome adversity and just plug another player in there (Bledsoe-Brady anyone). Until we win a "statement game", get a road W or at the very least get our pre-snap penalties in order you can count me in as one guy that has seen enough already.
Teams like the BUcs, Bears, Seahawks, Rams, Chiefs to name a few that have either a young/new H.C or an average team f you will are finding ways to get it done. SCHWARTZ IS NOT!
Week 1) Lead division rival in CHI a couple minutes into 2Q and do not score again
Week 2) Lead Eagles 17-7 eight minutes thru 2Q and then allow 28 unanswered before a couple late meaningless TDs .
Week 3) Take 7-0 lead at MINN before trailing 14-10 at half....never scored again. 2 end zone INTs + a pair of DEF penalties negating turnovers became our undoing
Week 4) Down 21-14 at half at GB we settle for 4 2nd half FGs and lose by 2...one of our better 2nd halfs but not enough
Week 5) Complete game rout the Rams at home
Week 6) Lead 7-0 at Giants but 11 penalties unravelled them.
Week 8) Lead 7-0 early and need 23 pt 4Q effort by the Leo's to put away the Skins. Solid all around game for the most part.
Week 9) Lions lead 7-0 and 21-10 late at home vs JETS before a complete meltdown
Week 10) Lions don't score TD until 14 seconds left in game vs previous 0-8 Bills...terrible game from the onset
Week 11) Lions lead 12-7 at Dallas before completely unravelling in the 3Q
Week 12) Lions lead 17-10 at home on Turkey Day before coming out the tunell at half and gettting outscored 35-7 in the 2nd half....complete joke!!!
Pretty sure he gets a 3rd season next year and can see the logic behind it as it does take some time to build a team from ground up but for f u c k sakes can he get something/anything done!!!!!
We need ANOTHER good draft class and we need to sign some more key players in free agency and then I think we can be around .500. I know, it sucks but we were winless just a couple years ago. If we go yet another direction with a coaching staff, that puts us even further behind, that would absolutely destroy this team. So we need to be absolutely sure Schwartz isn't going to be a good coach in the NFL before we FIRE yet another coach. We cannot say that ATM. We're frustrated, but we can't say he's not a good coach.
He has my full support and I feel the Lions WILL be a .500 team next year.
Walter34
Footballguy
The Lions are getting the bad karma after running up the score on the poor rams in week 5. 
Seriously, this team was a virtual expansion team in 2008. They didn't have a single player on the roster that was a piece to a future puzzle other than CJ. We under estimate the damage that Millen did to this franchise. They weren't just a bad team that had a bad year and could turn it around like some others (Rams, Raiders, whoever). They were as rock bottom as it gets and the worst team in the history of the NFL at that time.
In two years they have added a half dozen or so decent players, but are still miles away from playoff contention.
- Stafford has had 1 game in his career over a 100 qb rating
- Suh and delmas are good young players, but are raw and have barely gotten out of the cradle
- Add calvin and 32 yr old vanden Bosch and that's about it.
This team is still far away and should be happy if they get to 4 or 5 wins this year. They are more than one more draft or FA season away from the playoffs.
That said, schwartz seems like a decent guy, but clearly there have been some game management issues. Player discipline with penalties is a coaching staff responsibility in my opinion and tactical errors in game management is as well. He may be a nice guy, but there doesnt seem to be evidence of him being a good coach yet. Time will tell.
The positive that I would draw as a Lion fan is that the Lions have only blown 1 high 1st round pick in the last 4 and have hit on a couple of 2nd \ 3rd rounders. That is a start in the right direction. I would expect the following progression if I was a Lions fan:
2010 - 4-12
2011 - 7-9
2012 - 9-7
Anything more than that is just not realistic.
Seriously, this team was a virtual expansion team in 2008. They didn't have a single player on the roster that was a piece to a future puzzle other than CJ. We under estimate the damage that Millen did to this franchise. They weren't just a bad team that had a bad year and could turn it around like some others (Rams, Raiders, whoever). They were as rock bottom as it gets and the worst team in the history of the NFL at that time.
In two years they have added a half dozen or so decent players, but are still miles away from playoff contention.
- Stafford has had 1 game in his career over a 100 qb rating
- Suh and delmas are good young players, but are raw and have barely gotten out of the cradle
- Add calvin and 32 yr old vanden Bosch and that's about it.
This team is still far away and should be happy if they get to 4 or 5 wins this year. They are more than one more draft or FA season away from the playoffs.
That said, schwartz seems like a decent guy, but clearly there have been some game management issues. Player discipline with penalties is a coaching staff responsibility in my opinion and tactical errors in game management is as well. He may be a nice guy, but there doesnt seem to be evidence of him being a good coach yet. Time will tell.
The positive that I would draw as a Lion fan is that the Lions have only blown 1 high 1st round pick in the last 4 and have hit on a couple of 2nd \ 3rd rounders. That is a start in the right direction. I would expect the following progression if I was a Lions fan:
2010 - 4-12
2011 - 7-9
2012 - 9-7
Anything more than that is just not realistic.
A smokescreen can only hide things so long, eventually the better team wins.I'd imagine there aren't 25 coaches in the NFL that could coach the Lions to be up on the Pats in the first half. You guys are looking for a second rabbit out of his hat and Schwartz just doesn't have one. When/if the Lions get good, I'm sure it would be nice to just play a vanilla offense and defense and still win. They can't do that yet and they need exceptional coaching to beat the Pats. 8 other teams lost to them and they have an excellent record led by a Superbowl/HOF QB and the top coach in the game. It's cool if you set them beating the Pats as a goal for them to achieve but to chastise them for not doing what most teams fail to do seems like a bit much.If we duplicated the Pats roster and each Schwartz and BB coached one group in a game, do you think Schwartz would win? or the guy that has a to of rings? They have a wealth of improvement still to doNorthbound Train said:Another prime example of our team having a solid half and coming out completely overmatched at half....Schwartz has to be held accountable for one colossal meltdown after another. Far better discipline today but the lack of execution/game pland in the 2nd is mind boggling. I bet we've lead every game this season at some point with some being considerable leads
Sinrman
Footballguy
Give Schwartz a chance! Geez... people are all over him and expect miracles with a team that just two years ago went 0-16!
They are starting to put the pieces together. I like what the head coach has done so far. I can't name you a single season that Detroit was ever known
for it's defense, and this year, even though we're still giving up some points, we are head-and-shoulders above where we were at last year and many years
before. The nice additions the last couple of years under Schwartz has made all the difference. With the exception of a couple games, we have been in
almost every game! It's disappointing to see such tight losses, but I really like what I see.
We are far from a Super Bowl contender, but you have to start somewhere, and I think he's on the right path. Give him 2-3 more years and I see us in
the playoffs. We have GOT to invest in top-end O-linemen. We have all been screaming about this, and I do fault Schwartz a bit on this (such as drafting
Pettigrew over Oher or other top linemen last year). If there is no "can't miss" linemen next year, then try and trade down (unlikely since it will come at a high
price) or just say screw it and draft the top lineman unless there's some other "can't miss" rookie that would fill another serious hole. If we can't protect Stafford,
he will go the way of David Carr and be a washout in 3-4 years. Keep going with top defensive prospects, as our offense is still ahead of the defense.
It can be done! May the Schwartz be with us!
They are starting to put the pieces together. I like what the head coach has done so far. I can't name you a single season that Detroit was ever known
for it's defense, and this year, even though we're still giving up some points, we are head-and-shoulders above where we were at last year and many years
before. The nice additions the last couple of years under Schwartz has made all the difference. With the exception of a couple games, we have been in
almost every game! It's disappointing to see such tight losses, but I really like what I see.
We are far from a Super Bowl contender, but you have to start somewhere, and I think he's on the right path. Give him 2-3 more years and I see us in
the playoffs. We have GOT to invest in top-end O-linemen. We have all been screaming about this, and I do fault Schwartz a bit on this (such as drafting
Pettigrew over Oher or other top linemen last year). If there is no "can't miss" linemen next year, then try and trade down (unlikely since it will come at a high
price) or just say screw it and draft the top lineman unless there's some other "can't miss" rookie that would fill another serious hole. If we can't protect Stafford,
he will go the way of David Carr and be a washout in 3-4 years. Keep going with top defensive prospects, as our offense is still ahead of the defense.
It can be done! May the Schwartz be with us!
As a Packer fan, I can say that I pay pretty close attention to the Lions every year. My opinion is that you need to get a dominating personality in there to run your organization. All of the loser types will preach patience, but the fact is that the Lions are still losing at a rapid clip and that should be unacceptable. Before the game yesterday, I was telling my family that this was one the Lions needed to win...well, it looks like they folded again! Get rid of Schwartz, at best this guy might be able to coach your team to the playoffs once, if that is what you are gunning for, it is no surprise that you fall woefully short every year.
mebbe a dominating personality like mike singletary amirite?
Insein
Footballguy
The Matt Millen effect is underrated if anything. I don't think another human being could purposely go out and attempt to destroy a franchsie worse than Millen tried to make it better. His talent evaluation, drafts, free agents and coaching selections were awful. They literally set this team back a whole 5 years. Schwarz will turn this thing around. You can see it. In the old days, a coach was given 5 years to right the ship. Now its maybe 2. Thats why teams stay in the muck. They don't give a guy a chance to turn it around. Yea teams get lucky and have an aberation of a season but then they are back in the dumps again the next (Sporano, Marvin Lewis, etc). Quick success doesn't always mean sustained success. I think Schwarz is building something that will last.Walter34 said:The Lions are getting the bad karma after running up the score on the poor rams in week 5.
To call for a guys head after a year and a half is only going to make things worse. To be honest, Schwartz should be there as long as it takes. No proven winner will go there. He is the leader of that team and replacing him would destroy that entire team.
The fewer games the Lions win this year could pay huge dividends in their future. Just a few draft spots could mean the difference between bonafide players and underachieving primadonnas (which have murdered the Lions for about a decade). They aren't going anywhere quick so why be so upset about them losing? 3-13 offers more hope for the Lions than 7-9 at this point. The environment is conductive to learning and improving, it is up to the FO to use their picks wisely. They need to retool that entire O-Line and get another linebacker. The secondary was crushed by the Pats but honestly, what does anybody expect to happen?
The one thing I'd be worried about is Stafford. He's been injured on completely ordinary plays and a QB cannot succeed without a shoulder. If he had started every game, this team would be a lot better than it is. He is holding back this offense. You cannot be competitive, build any momentum, or team chemistry with a backup QB running the show. It may be a little early to judge but another Stafford injury and this team is done. They aren't going anywhere with Hill.
The fewer games the Lions win this year could pay huge dividends in their future. Just a few draft spots could mean the difference between bonafide players and underachieving primadonnas (which have murdered the Lions for about a decade). They aren't going anywhere quick so why be so upset about them losing? 3-13 offers more hope for the Lions than 7-9 at this point. The environment is conductive to learning and improving, it is up to the FO to use their picks wisely. They need to retool that entire O-Line and get another linebacker. The secondary was crushed by the Pats but honestly, what does anybody expect to happen?
The one thing I'd be worried about is Stafford. He's been injured on completely ordinary plays and a QB cannot succeed without a shoulder. If he had started every game, this team would be a lot better than it is. He is holding back this offense. You cannot be competitive, build any momentum, or team chemistry with a backup QB running the show. It may be a little early to judge but another Stafford injury and this team is done. They aren't going anywhere with Hill.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Schwartz needs at the very least two more seasons. Matt Millen left the Lions is worse shape than a first year expansion team. So Jim should be treated as taking over and starting a team from scratch.The Matt Millen effect is underrated if anything. I don't think another human being could purposely go out and attempt to destroy a franchsie worse than Millen tried to make it better. His talent evaluation, drafts, free agents and coaching selections were awful. They literally set this team back a whole 5 years. Schwarz will turn this thing around. You can see it. In the old days, a coach was given 5 years to right the ship. Now its maybe 2. Thats why teams stay in the muck. They don't give a guy a chance to turn it around. Yea teams get lucky and have an aberation of a season but then they are back in the dumps again the next (Sporano, Marvin Lewis, etc). Quick success doesn't always mean sustained success. I think Schwarz is building something that will last.Walter34 said:The Lions are getting the bad karma after running up the score on the poor rams in week 5.
Seriously, this team was a virtual expansion team in 2008. They didn't have a single player on the roster that was a piece to a future puzzle other than CJ. We under estimate the damage that Millen did to this franchise. They weren't just a bad team that had a bad year and could turn it around like some others (Rams, Raiders, whoever). They were as rock bottom as it gets and the worst team in the history of the NFL at that time.
In two years they have added a half dozen or so decent players, but are still miles away from playoff contention.
- Stafford has had 1 game in his career over a 100 qb rating
- Suh and delmas are good young players, but are raw and have barely gotten out of the cradle
- Add calvin and 32 yr old vanden Bosch and that's about it.
This team is still far away and should be happy if they get to 4 or 5 wins this year. They are more than one more draft or FA season away from the playoffs.
That said, schwartz seems like a decent guy, but clearly there have been some game management issues. Player discipline with penalties is a coaching staff responsibility in my opinion and tactical errors in game management is as well. He may be a nice guy, but there doesnt seem to be evidence of him being a good coach yet. Time will tell.
The positive that I would draw as a Lion fan is that the Lions have only blown 1 high 1st round pick in the last 4 and have hit on a couple of 2nd \ 3rd rounders. That is a start in the right direction. I would expect the following progression if I was a Lions fan:
2010 - 4-12
2011 - 7-9
2012 - 9-7
Anything more than that is just not realistic.
The Lions still need 8-10 more solid NFL players to compete. Now the o-line needs to be revamped..Backus and Riola have to go. Those guys are the vets and get called for more crucial penalties than anyone on the team.
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Northbound Train
Footballguy
OK....I've read all the arguements as to why he deserves some more time, and I can completely understand the logic of needing time to build that team up from the ground. Believe me when I tell you I and all Lions fans have serious patience...this team has been atrocious for the better part of 20+ years.
The problem I have with Schwartz is continuous drive ending penalties and nobody being held accountable...that's the first problem. Penalties, especially that of the pre-snap variety are a direct result of the Head Coach not preparing his team.
Secondly.....wtf does the Coaching staff do at half time? Seriously, do they sit around and eat Coney Dogs. They get completely outcoached and outclassed almost weekly and often times come out completely flat. They've been shutout for long stretches and real don't have an offensive identity even with a pretty solid O. The 2nd half meltdowns and the penalties at inopportune times are unacceptable 27 games into his Head Coaching tenure....I just don't see the progress here...hope it changes over these last 5 games.
The problem I have with Schwartz is continuous drive ending penalties and nobody being held accountable...that's the first problem. Penalties, especially that of the pre-snap variety are a direct result of the Head Coach not preparing his team.
Secondly.....wtf does the Coaching staff do at half time? Seriously, do they sit around and eat Coney Dogs. They get completely outcoached and outclassed almost weekly and often times come out completely flat. They've been shutout for long stretches and real don't have an offensive identity even with a pretty solid O. The 2nd half meltdowns and the penalties at inopportune times are unacceptable 27 games into his Head Coaching tenure....I just don't see the progress here...hope it changes over these last 5 games.
Northbound Train
Footballguy
Oooops....yes, guess that sounds idiotic. OF course we are light years ahead of where we are since Schwartz has come aboard but what I meant was we haven't made much progress this season...as the weeks have rolled by we seem to be regressing this year. Pretty much one good half of football in the last 3 games...clearly not heading in the right direction right now. Players are getting real frustrated and Schwartz better get this team under control before he loses it.
You seem to know an awful lot about what goes on behind the scenes in Detroit? What Schwartz does and doesnt do, the frustration level of players etc. Give the guy a break, you can't turn around a mess like the Lions over night.
Northbound Train
Footballguy
Another halftime lead and another 2nd half collapse
Schwartz is now 0-10 vs his Division, 0-14 on the road, and his been blown out nationally on Turkey Day two yrs in a row.
He still doesn't have a "good" win vs a good team. Of our 4 wins in his almost 2 yr tenure we've beat the Skins twice
(one team we are head + shoulders better than), Cleveland last yr and St.L this year...hardly marquee teams. Let's not forget we gave the Rams their only win last year and gave the 0-8 Bills their first W this year
I'm sure a few will run in here and say Detroit was down to their 3rd string QB yada, yada, yada...Stanton was not the problem whatsoever. The Coaching staff again got outcoached at Half...
I have no doubt Schwartz comes back next year and maybe for the next 10 seeing how WCF doesn't have no brains or balls...so I guess I'll have to live with another year of this.
What do teh Schwartz fans think he has to do in Yr 3 to be back for Yr 4
Playoffs, .500 ball...a road WIN, beat a division foe...what gives him an extension????
Schwartz is now 0-10 vs his Division, 0-14 on the road, and his been blown out nationally on Turkey Day two yrs in a row.
He still doesn't have a "good" win vs a good team. Of our 4 wins in his almost 2 yr tenure we've beat the Skins twice
(one team we are head + shoulders better than), Cleveland last yr and St.L this year...hardly marquee teams. Let's not forget we gave the Rams their only win last year and gave the 0-8 Bills their first W this year I'm sure a few will run in here and say Detroit was down to their 3rd string QB yada, yada, yada...Stanton was not the problem whatsoever. The Coaching staff again got outcoached at Half...
I have no doubt Schwartz comes back next year and maybe for the next 10 seeing how WCF doesn't have no brains or balls...so I guess I'll have to live with another year of this.
What do teh Schwartz fans think he has to do in Yr 3 to be back for Yr 4
Playoffs, .500 ball...a road WIN, beat a division foe...what gives him an extension????
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
The team is competitive, but 2-10 is still 2-10. He is gonna need to win a lot more games next year to keep his job, I suspect.
babydemon90
Footballguy
Lost by 4 to a 9-3 Chicago team. With Drew Stanton at QB. Yea, wins still are not there, but I don't think changing the coach every 2 years is gonna fix anything.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Detroit has the right coach to turn things around. They just need to stay healthy (Stafford and Best) and focus the next two drafts on Defense and OL.
Synthesizer
Footballguy
XLions made the playoffs 6 times in the 90s. I think they had the 4th most wins of any team in the decade.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
.......and learn to win. They've got the heart, the coaches, the personnel but they just need to learn to win the close games.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Really couldn't disagree more. This is the exact same BS you here out of the ignorant Umich fans who want to can rodriguez after three years. You fall for the announcers schmaltz where they wax poetic about what this loss or this one play says about _________. Grading a rebuilding team on strictly wins and losses is asinine, and ultimately will produce the kind of mediocre success and results that you see in a place like the wash redskins, the NY mets, the new york knicks etc. When you 'feel you must win now because of jokers like the OP, you cut corners. You don't tear it completely down, you put masking tape over structural problems. While that may save your job in y1-3 as you patch together a couple of wins and and end up a game or 2 within the .500 mark. But you didn't change the mindset that is still there, you didn't install the system that you believe is best because your players obviously won't perfectly fit your system in y1-3 really of any regime. Sometimes the best thing to to do is TEAR IT ALL DOWN, and then build it back up right. That is what the lions are doing, and that is what the falcons are doing. Both historically inept franchises that now have good HC and GM's. It's not as flashy, hell the Falcons are almost an afterthought despite having the best record in the NFC. Grading on the short term/ "its a win now league" is a trite concept for those who don't have the intestinal fortitude and patience it takes to build a champion. Stay the course. And grade not on w/l for now, but on how different this team is playing/acting from those under ots previous regime. I think you'll see that this is gonna pay off in the not to distant future. So in short, calms down and shut up sally!
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I agree with this.
Just keep drafting quality and on both lines.
Every time I watch the Lions it just seems like their line play is awful, but the D-Line seems much better this year.
The Cards waited 62 years to play in a Championship. The Steelers like 40 years. The Saints also 40 years. The Lions have been waiting 53 years now, but look at the Browns they had been waiting since `64 only to see their team hijacked and win a championship in another town.
Six losses of five (5) points or less: it's an improvement. Really the defense seems like the biggest problem. The good news is there is a LOT of great defensive talent coming out next year - Peterson, Fairley, Quinn....
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
There are a lot of different ways to analyze the job a HC is doing, but let's keep it simple:
They have played well enough to win 5 or 6 games. They don't know how to close. They don't take advantage of breaks or turnovers. They play not to lose.Three straight games (and four out of five going back to the Jets game) they have lost a second half lead.Jim Schwartz consistently gets out coached in the second half. Every single week.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
I think they are actually doing a great job coaching in the first half. And they eventually lose because they lack talent. The secondary is atrocious. They are playing backup QBs. The OL needs a couple more pieces.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
This is why I always did like Parcells and seeing what he did where ever he went.
You saw immediate results ASAP.
While I can get on board with things take time.
I can understand the frustration.
Every year a team goes from pretty bad to playoff bound, and every year it's not the Lions.
I am a believer that that difference from 6-10 to 10-6 is very minor in the NFL.
It just seems the Lions have a tough time getting there.
I hope I am wrong, but it seems like Schwartz is just a guy that will be able to get them a few to several wins per season.
They really need to bring someone in who is able to change the culture of the franchise overnight.
Not in 3 years get a team on the fringe of the playoffs, but overnight where the fans feel they have some hope.
You saw immediate results ASAP.
While I can get on board with things take time.
I can understand the frustration.
Every year a team goes from pretty bad to playoff bound, and every year it's not the Lions.
I am a believer that that difference from 6-10 to 10-6 is very minor in the NFL.
It just seems the Lions have a tough time getting there.
I hope I am wrong, but it seems like Schwartz is just a guy that will be able to get them a few to several wins per season.
They really need to bring someone in who is able to change the culture of the franchise overnight.
Not in 3 years get a team on the fringe of the playoffs, but overnight where the fans feel they have some hope.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
The secondary has not been atrocious in 2010 (unlike the previous couple seasons), but if the only time you watched them was on Turkey day I can understand where that comes from.
There was a column in today's Free Press that sums up nicely what I have been saying for the last month:
There was a column in today's Free Press that sums up nicely what I have been saying for the last month:
In order for a team to go from pretty bad to playoff-bound, it first has to be pretty bad.This is the first season in a long time that the Lions have been pretty bad.
Masked Vigilante
Footballguy
Parcells will hit it and quit it. He'll leave within two years (maybe three). Maybe they go 8-8 or 9-7 and sneak into the playoffs one of those years. But what happens then? Do the Lions go back and hire another first time HC?
Bobby, of course they lack the winning attitude. How could they not?
There's an old quote thats something like this-Sometimes the only way to turn a team into a winner is by working them so hard they don't know they're winning.
Perennial losers do not have the same talent pool to pick from in free agency as the winning teams do and they don't pay the same salaries. It's supposed to be that way, but it doesn't work out as such. I think that first 8 games is going to help Schwartz in free agency.
I am afraid Best is more like Chris Henry than Chris Johnson. You might recall Henry was wicked fast too but a whole lot of nothin'. I hope not. I don't expect it to be so, but that guy is concerning.
(Someone else said it first) Only way Fisher is gone is if Schwartz is available. I think that's true and I also don't think the Lions org can handle a starting over rebuild again if a new coach comes in.
I read some stories about Schwartz taking players into the streets, hitting stores and parks and such when he first got there that I'll never forget. I expect that they were exaggerated but (I forget who the players were, suppose) nowhere else in America can an NFL team's star player frequent malls and parks or whatnot and NOT be recognized. That was disturbing to read. However, I think it puts into perspective the giant mountain Schwartz has had to climb here.
On this board, it's as if Detroit fans completely ignore that their 3rd string QB, that wouldn't even make most NFL teams, is starting. He was better last week, but it's just amazing what's expected from a 3rd stringer or a guy coaching a 3rd stringer.
There's an old quote thats something like this-Sometimes the only way to turn a team into a winner is by working them so hard they don't know they're winning.
Perennial losers do not have the same talent pool to pick from in free agency as the winning teams do and they don't pay the same salaries. It's supposed to be that way, but it doesn't work out as such. I think that first 8 games is going to help Schwartz in free agency.
I am afraid Best is more like Chris Henry than Chris Johnson. You might recall Henry was wicked fast too but a whole lot of nothin'. I hope not. I don't expect it to be so, but that guy is concerning.
(Someone else said it first) Only way Fisher is gone is if Schwartz is available. I think that's true and I also don't think the Lions org can handle a starting over rebuild again if a new coach comes in.
I read some stories about Schwartz taking players into the streets, hitting stores and parks and such when he first got there that I'll never forget. I expect that they were exaggerated but (I forget who the players were, suppose) nowhere else in America can an NFL team's star player frequent malls and parks or whatnot and NOT be recognized. That was disturbing to read. However, I think it puts into perspective the giant mountain Schwartz has had to climb here.
On this board, it's as if Detroit fans completely ignore that their 3rd string QB, that wouldn't even make most NFL teams, is starting. He was better last week, but it's just amazing what's expected from a 3rd stringer or a guy coaching a 3rd stringer.
Synthesizer
Footballguy
In the 3 years before Rodriguez, UM finished 3rd, 2nd, and 2nd in the Big 10. In the 3 years with Rodriguez, UM has finished 10th, 11th, and 7th. Rodriguez has taken one of the best teams in the conference and turned it into a joke. Every week is still a sloppy mess and UM is getting smoked by quality opponents.The year before Schwartz became coach, the Lions went 0-16. There shouldn't be any comparison between these 2 coaches.Hipple said:
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I think you guys are using the term "pretty bad" two different ways.
Longest winning streak in Detroit since halfway through 2007.
Longest winning streak in Detroit since halfway through 2007.
Northbound Train
Footballguy
Well Schwartz and the Lions accomplished three things that I felt were a must to right this ship before seasons end.
One....win a game vs a division foe and even better pretty much squashed the Packs Playoff hopes
Two...get a statement win...beating the likes of the Skins + Browns doesn't say much (B2B statement, CONFIDENCE building wins!!!)
Three...win a mofo road game
I was supposed to be at that game to tear up Ibor City tonight but unfortunately a new job/work cost me a trip back South 
This is a show me now league and I'll agree to disagree with Hipple + WAre that Coaches shouldn't get the luxury of just being "competitive"...Detroit has blown far too many opps this season for that not to be pinned on the Coach...you can't change the culture of a lockerroom with loss after loss....being a Lions fan you've must've read that the players were starting to grumble a month back...losing your lockerroom is the ultimate disaster for a H.C
Like another poster said....a 6-10 record and a 10-6 record can often be a matter of a few plays or coaching decisions in-game....Jimmy single-handedly cost us a couple himself.
Wins brood confidence and winning today on the road and B2B may just be what the doctor ordered....I wouldn't be surprised to see us win out now...WE NEED IT, we need to go into the off-season with a load of confidence and bring a top notch FA or two to the MOtor City...
One....win a game vs a division foe and even better pretty much squashed the Packs Playoff hopes
Two...get a statement win...beating the likes of the Skins + Browns doesn't say much (B2B statement, CONFIDENCE building wins!!!)
Three...win a mofo road game
I was supposed to be at that game to tear up Ibor City tonight but unfortunately a new job/work cost me a trip back South This is a show me now league and I'll agree to disagree with Hipple + WAre that Coaches shouldn't get the luxury of just being "competitive"...Detroit has blown far too many opps this season for that not to be pinned on the Coach...you can't change the culture of a lockerroom with loss after loss....being a Lions fan you've must've read that the players were starting to grumble a month back...losing your lockerroom is the ultimate disaster for a H.C
Like another poster said....a 6-10 record and a 10-6 record can often be a matter of a few plays or coaching decisions in-game....Jimmy single-handedly cost us a couple himself.
Wins brood confidence and winning today on the road and B2B may just be what the doctor ordered....I wouldn't be surprised to see us win out now...WE NEED IT, we need to go into the off-season with a load of confidence and bring a top notch FA or two to the MOtor City...
Northbound Train
Footballguy
What makes you so high and mighty that you can "rip" the OP
Your name here sums you up 'Hipple, Long, Ware, & Peete' I guess you've become accustomed to mediocrisy (sp) and just being "competitive". I can tell you right now that if the Lions lost another tough one to the Pack, another road loss that we had a shot at, that this team, any impending FAs and those Lions players would be looking for a ticket out of town. You are completely wrong if you don't think this league measures accountability by wins and losses....would you really give a rats ### if Detroit was the #1 offense and #1 defense (like the Bolts were earlier) but had a losing record.....that, my friend is assinine!!!Didn't Calvin just not come out and say he was sick of losing....keep piling on heartbreaking losses in games we should've won and you keep buying season tickets while players like him look for the first ticket out of town Chiefs 4-12 LYR ~ 9-5 in 1st place
Bucs 3-13 LYR ~ 8-6 and in wildcard race
Rams 1-15 LYR ~ 6-8 and in divisional race
Point being...join us in the 21st century where the SALARY CAP and high draft picks can see teams transform over an off-season. Detroit could easily have 6-7-8 wins this year and be in the playoff hunt (albeit maybe a long shot) if it were not for Schwartz blowing a few games with horrendous clock management/play calling, not holding players accountable for pre-snap penalties and not being continually outcoached at halftime.
You can't tell me one of those 3 clubs I listed above are heads and shoulders better than Detroit talent-wise....their Coaches just found ways to WIN
And FWIW.... Rich Rod
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Summer Wheat
Footballguy
Exactly. Go to Calvin early and often. Lions could be 7-7 right now. NE blew them out, but NE has blown out everyone.
FavreCo
Footballguy
I think it's safe to say that was one of Calvin's best 1st halves of the year. It's sickening to watch him and Andre J. go 1-15 in the 1st half of games.
