Jodi Arias case (2 Viewers)

[Johnny Bing]

There is still too much that doesn't add up for me. Dude is dead in his house for 5 days, the roomies have no idea? The police said they could smell rotting body before they even entered the house. Why couldn't the roomates? At least one of them went into the garage, walked right by the washing machine that had blood around it. Said nothing. We'll never know the full/real story. But we certainly aren't getting it from the stories she tells either.

Does it really matter the schedule of the roommates or why no one washed their clothes for 5 days? She already admitted she was the one that did it on the last day of cross examination. Her argument is it was self defense. 29 times, a slit throat, and a gun shot later she felt it was safe to stop.

It matters, yes. I believe they were in on it. Remember he ran a pyramid scheme? Somebody lost money there, somebody always does. If it's the roomates, there is issues there. Remember one of her stories was two people came in? Just because she is admitting to doing it now does not mean that is what happened. There could easily be threats made to her family if she says anything other than "it was me." It's going to get REAL interesting when the other people take the stand.

There is no way anyone else was in on it. The second version of the story was just a prayer that people would believe a story of two guys in black attacked them and they killed Travis. Then when all the evidence came out she had to change the story to a third version which is where we are at now. If anyone else is involved why would she take the death penalty for them? We are beyond the point for her to say oh wait there are 5 other people involved in this killing.

 

[McGarnicle]

It's always fascinating how some people's minds work. Bush and/or the Jews plotted 9/11, the Sandy Hook conspiracy nutjobs, now in this case the murder is revenge for a pyramid scheme. It's why juries often crap out verdicts that make no sense.

 

[stbugs]

It's always fascinating how some people's minds work. Bush and/or the Jews plotted 9/11, the Sandy Hook conspiracy nutjobs, now in this case the murder is revenge for a pyramid scheme. It's why juries often crap out verdicts that make no sense.

Unfortunately hamster_13 is one of the people that gets picked to be on juries and is why people like Casey Anthony get off with no charges because there was no video tape of the actual crime so it is still possible that aliens did abduct and kill her kid.

 

[Rayderr]

Remember, the people on they jury are the ones to dumb to get out of jury duty.

 

[Plorfu]

Remember, the people on they jury are the ones to dumb to get out of jury duty.

I hear ya.

 

[Rayderr]

Remember, the people on they jury are the ones to dumb to get out of jury duty.

I hear ya.

And I hear you.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Watched a summary show in this last night. Were her previous accounts to the police admissible? If so, I don't see how you don't convict her.

 

[-jb-]

I just saw on the news that she "caved under pressure," and admitted she killed him out of jealousy. Anyone catch it live?

 

[jamny]

Watched a summary show in this last night. Were her previous accounts to the police admissible? If so, I don't see how you don't convict her.

yeah, they were showing her interviews while she was on the stand. She admitted to lying in them all and says she's now telling the truth.

 

[jamny]

I just saw on the news that she "caved under pressure," and admitted she killed him out of jealousy. Anyone catch it live?

as far as I know, she's still claiming self-defense.

 

[identikit]

I just saw on the news that she "caved under pressure," and admitted she killed him out of jealousy. Anyone catch it live?

as far as I know, she's still claiming self-defense.

Yep.

 

[-jb-]

Weird. I caught on a monitor in the airport so maybe I didn't hear the whole thing.

 

[lod01]

Remember, the people on they jury are the ones to dumb to get out of jury duty.

This is usually key. No verdict would be a surprise but it's likely murder 1 after the last day of cross exam. Anything less than murder 2 would rival if not top the casey anthony debacle. As soceity gets dumber, which it is, it is easier to sway those that get stuck on a jury.

 

[hamster_13]

I would definitely be the juror that says no, not premeditated. Sorry

 

[Johnnymac]

I would definitely be the juror that says no, not premeditated. Sorry

But why? She stole her grandfathers gun and brought it with her. She told noone that she was even going to AZ. She had 3 gas cans with her on the trip so she wouldnt have to stop in AZ. Where are you not seeing premeditation?

 

[Johnnymac]

Also, the gunshot was not the 1st injury. In fact, it looks to be the last injury. I think she got him to pose for pictures in the shower and stabbed him in the back first. She is definitely a cold blooded diabolical killer and she should be given the death penalty. Not sure what the jury will do. I hope they agree with me.

 

[Stinger Ray]

I would definitely be the juror that says no, not premeditated. Sorry

Are you fishing?

 

[LittleLarry]

Remember, the people on they jury are the ones to dumb to get out of jury duty.

Not all jury members are like that. Some of them want to do their civic duty.

 

[CurlyNight]

I would definitely be the juror that says no, not premeditated. Sorry

But why? She stole her grandfathers gun and brought it with her. She told noone that she was even going to AZ. She had 3 gas cans with her on the trip so she wouldnt have to stop in AZ. Where are you not seeing premeditation?

Any sane person can see premeditation. Arias has had 4 years to rehearse her story, study the forensic findings to try and fit it with her story, and to learn about the effect of trauma on memory and use the "I don't remember" boo hoo fakey tears answers. Something tells me from Mon I'm gonna be pissed...

 

[McGarnicle]

Remember, the people on they jury are the ones to dumb to get out of jury duty.

Not all jury members are like that. Some of them want to do their civic duty.

And the defense will exclude as many of the smart ones as possible. They want the folks who get all of their news from the Today show because Matt Lauer is a real hoot, and watched the presidential debates but didn't "know" who won until the talking heads analyzed them afterwards. The ideal juror for the defense is below average intelligence and easily persuaded by a compelling story. Like Casey Anthony's dad abused her and insisted on disposing of the body because Casey would go to prison for child neglect if she told the cops she let the kid drown. Obviously all horse ####, but with the right jury and a lawyer who slings it with charm and conviction, golly, now I'm all mixed up, I got that reasonable doubt they was talkin' bout. There should be a law that at least half of any jury have college degrees. Or switch to 3-judge panels like some other countries.

 

[T Bell]

Watched a summary show in this last night. Were her previous accounts to the police admissible? If so, I don't see how you don't convict her.

yeah, they were showing her interviews while she was on the stand. She admitted to lying in them all and says she's now telling the truth.

Well of course. Since those prior interviews she's found a good lawyer.

 

[hamster_13]

I would definitely be the juror that says no, not premeditated. Sorry

But why? She stole her grandfathers gun and brought it with her. She told noone that she was even going to AZ. She had 3 gas cans with her on the trip so she wouldnt have to stop in AZ. Where are you not seeing premeditation?

There is no proof of the gun being her grandfathers (though it's very likely) She left a paper trail all the way to AZ. For me, it's mostly the forensics just don't add up to any story we have been presented with. I believe evidence was tampered with by more than just Jodi, also. She is a very smart person, who was a photographer. Why, if she took the gun and knife, would she have not taken the camera as well? We can't believe anything she has said on the stand, including her admitting to doing this or that.

 

[T Bell]

I would definitely be the juror that says no, not premeditated. Sorry

But why? She stole her grandfathers gun and brought it with her. She told noone that she was even going to AZ. She had 3 gas cans with her on the trip so she wouldnt have to stop in AZ. Where are you not seeing premeditation?

There is no proof of the gun being her grandfathers (though it's very likely) She left a paper trail all the way to AZ. For me, it's mostly the forensics just don't add up to any story we have been presented with. I believe evidence was tampered with by more than just Jodi, also. She is a very smart person, who was a photographer. Why, if she took the gun and knife, would she have not taken the camera as well? We can't believe anything she has said on the stand, including her admitting to doing this or that.

You fall down a lot.

 

[McGarnicle]

I would definitely be the juror that says no, not premeditated. Sorry

But why? She stole her grandfathers gun and brought it with her. She told noone that she was even going to AZ. She had 3 gas cans with her on the trip so she wouldnt have to stop in AZ. Where are you not seeing premeditation?

There is no proof of the gun being her grandfathers (though it's very likely) She left a paper trail all the way to AZ. For me, it's mostly the forensics just don't add up to any story we have been presented with. I believe evidence was tampered with by more than just Jodi, also. She is a very smart person, who was a photographer. Why, if she took the gun and knife, would she have not taken the camera as well? We can't believe anything she has said on the stand, including her admitting to doing this or that.

There is one very common trait among psychopaths...they can lie with conviction, and on a first encounter, fool the average person with ease. But their thoughts are disorganized and before too long, the listener spots inconsistencies. The psychopath is unfazed by this and very confidently takes the story down a different path. Keep pressing, and the different stories can go on indefinitely. All the while, there are no signs of stress regardless of the stakes. It is a very odd and creepy experience to have one of these conversations. I would bet most of the jurors feel it. Her words are all over the place and her demeanor is all wrong. Her acting job becomes worse and worse the longer she's on that stand.This woman has no conscience and therefore cannot fathom the gravity of what she's done or how her lies twist the knife in Travis' family and friends. Nor does she care. People like her really should die.

 

[jamny]

I would definitely be the juror that says no, not premeditated. Sorry

But why? She stole her grandfathers gun and brought it with her. She told noone that she was even going to AZ. She had 3 gas cans with her on the trip so she wouldnt have to stop in AZ. Where are you not seeing premeditation?

There is no proof of the gun being her grandfathers (though it's very likely) She left a paper trail all the way to AZ. For me, it's mostly the forensics just don't add up to any story we have been presented with. I believe evidence was tampered with by more than just Jodi, also. She is a very smart person, who was a photographer. Why, if she took the gun and knife, would she have not taken the camera as well? We can't believe anything she has said on the stand, including her admitting to doing this or that.

There is one very common trait among psychopaths...they can lie with conviction, and on a first encounter, fool the average person with ease. But their thoughts are disorganized and before too long, the listener spots inconsistencies. The psychopath is unfazed by this and very confidently takes the story down a different path. Keep pressing, and the different stories can go on indefinitely. All the while, there are no signs of stress regardless of the stakes. It is a very odd and creepy experience to have one of these conversations. I would bet most of the jurors feel it. Her words are all over the place and her demeanor is all wrong. Her acting job becomes worse and worse the longer she's on that stand.This woman has no conscience and therefore cannot fathom the gravity of what she's done or how her lies twist the knife in Travis' family and friends. Nor does she care. People like her really should die.

I only just tuned in and got captivated by her. You know she's lying but she's so damn good. Whoever plays her in whatever movie they'll do will not be better than her.

 

[fasteddie_21]

Remember, the people on they jury are the ones to dumb to get out of jury duty.

Not all jury members are like that. Some of them want to do their civic duty.

And the defense will exclude as many of the smart ones as possible. They want the folks who get all of their news from the Today show because Matt Lauer is a real hoot, and watched the presidential debates but didn't "know" who won until the talking heads analyzed them afterwards. The ideal juror for the defense is below average intelligence and easily persuaded by a compelling story. Like Casey Anthony's dad abused her and insisted on disposing of the body because Casey would go to prison for child neglect if she told the cops she let the kid drown. Obviously all horse ####, but with the right jury and a lawyer who slings it with charm and conviction, golly, now I'm all mixed up, I got that reasonable doubt they was talkin' bout. There should be a law that at least half of any jury have college degrees. Or switch to 3-judge panels like some other countries.

Like a college degree = intelligence?



Try and be more of an elitist.

 

[McGarnicle]

Remember, the people on they jury are the ones to dumb to get out of jury duty.

Not all jury members are like that. Some of them want to do their civic duty.

And the defense will exclude as many of the smart ones as possible. They want the folks who get all of their news from the Today show because Matt Lauer is a real hoot, and watched the presidential debates but didn't "know" who won until the talking heads analyzed them afterwards. The ideal juror for the defense is below average intelligence and easily persuaded by a compelling story. Like Casey Anthony's dad abused her and insisted on disposing of the body because Casey would go to prison for child neglect if she told the cops she let the kid drown. Obviously all horse ####, but with the right jury and a lawyer who slings it with charm and conviction, golly, now I'm all mixed up, I got that reasonable doubt they was talkin' bout. There should be a law that at least half of any jury have college degrees. Or switch to 3-judge panels like some other countries.

Like a college degree = intelligence?



Try and be more of an elitist.

I was just trying to get out of jury duty (I don't have a degree).

 

[Rayderr]

Remember, the people on they jury are the ones to dumb to get out of jury duty.

Not all jury members are like that. Some of them want to do their civic duty.

And the defense will exclude as many of the smart ones as possible. They want the folks who get all of their news from the Today show because Matt Lauer is a real hoot, and watched the presidential debates but didn't "know" who won until the talking heads analyzed them afterwards. The ideal juror for the defense is below average intelligence and easily persuaded by a compelling story. Like Casey Anthony's dad abused her and insisted on disposing of the body because Casey would go to prison for child neglect if she told the cops she let the kid drown. Obviously all horse ####, but with the right jury and a lawyer who slings it with charm and conviction, golly, now I'm all mixed up, I got that reasonable doubt they was talkin' bout. There should be a law that at least half of any jury have college degrees. Or switch to 3-judge panels like some other countries.

Like a college degree = intelligence?



Try and be more of an elitist.

I was just trying to get out of jury duty (I don't have a degree).

They frequently ask if you know anything about the case. The correct response is "Yes, and he/she is guilty as hell!"

 

[jamny]

So in Arizona, the jury can ask questions after prosecution and defense rests. That should be a good indicator of where their heads are when they ask Jodi questions. Never heard of that before.

 

[SacramentoBob]

I would definitely be the juror that says no, not premeditated. Sorry

Are you fishing?

You think?

 

[T Bell]

So in Arizona, the jury can ask questions after prosecution and defense rests. That should be a good indicator of where their heads are when they ask Jodi questions. Never heard of that before.

"Is it pee?"

 

[CurlyNight]

So in Arizona, the jury can ask questions after prosecution and defense rests. That should be a good indicator of where their heads are when they ask Jodi questions. Never heard of that before.

I think it should be standard in all states. This way the juror can get their questions answered from the horses mouth without rehearsal with her attny. Should be good! The only thing is they write their questions down and gives it to the judge. If both sides ok it, it will be asked. ETA: Link to article from HLN.http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/03/04/drama-still-comejurors-question-arias?hpt=hln10_1

 

[CurlyNight]

Remember, the people on they jury are the ones to dumb to get out of jury duty.

Not all jury members are like that. Some of them want to do their civic duty.

And the defense will exclude as many of the smart ones as possible. They want the folks who get all of their news from the Today show because Matt Lauer is a real hoot, and watched the presidential debates but didn't "know" who won until the talking heads analyzed them afterwards. The ideal juror for the defense is below average intelligence and easily persuaded by a compelling story. Like Casey Anthony's dad abused her and insisted on disposing of the body because Casey would go to prison for child neglect if she told the cops she let the kid drown. Obviously all horse ####, but with the right jury and a lawyer who slings it with charm and conviction, golly, now I'm all mixed up, I got that reasonable doubt they was talkin' bout. There should be a law that at least half of any jury have college degrees. Or switch to 3-judge panels like some other countries.

Like a college degree = intelligence?



Try and be more of an elitist.

I was just trying to get out of jury duty (I don't have a degree).

They frequently ask if you know anything about the case. The correct response is "Yes, and he/she is guilty as hell!"

Or if it's something boring like traffic citation you just act like you're not all there!

 

[CurlyNight]

Wow! Jury has 100 questions for Jodi! Tomorrow am they will review it to see if either side opposes any. What doesn't make sense is why are they allowing the defense to go over the questions with her????! I mean if she's telling the truth... why the need to do it???

100 questions.... doesn't look good for the defense imo..

 

[Johnnymac]

Wow! Jury has 100 questions for Jodi! Tomorrow am they will review it to see if either side opposes any. What doesn't make sense is why are they allowing the defense to go over the questions with her????! I mean if she's telling the truth... why the need to do it??? 100 questions.... doesn't look good for the defense imo..

I don't like the fact that she gets to see the questions beforehand.

 

[Abraham]

Wow! Jury has 100 questions for Jodi! Tomorrow am they will review it to see if either side opposes any. What doesn't make sense is why are they allowing the defense to go over the questions with her????! I mean if she's telling the truth... why the need to do it??? 100 questions.... doesn't look good for the defense imo..

Looks great for the defense. The jury clearly doesn't think the info on hand has convinced them beyond a reasonable doubt. And if it has, they still want some clarification to be sure (which would imply they still have doubt).

 

[CurlyNight]

Wow! Jury has 100 questions for Jodi! Tomorrow am they will review it to see if either side opposes any. What doesn't make sense is why are they allowing the defense to go over the questions with her????! I mean if she's telling the truth... why the need to do it??? 100 questions.... doesn't look good for the defense imo..

I don't like the fact that she gets to see the questions beforehand.

It's like cheating on a test...

 

[Johnny Bing]

Wow! Jury has 100 questions for Jodi! Tomorrow am they will review it to see if either side opposes any. What doesn't make sense is why are they allowing the defense to go over the questions with her????! I mean if she's telling the truth... why the need to do it??? 100 questions.... doesn't look good for the defense imo..

Looks great for the defense. The jury clearly doesn't think the info on hand has convinced them beyond a reasonable doubt. And if it has, they still want some clarification to be sure (which would imply they still have doubt).

Or she has told so many lies her story doesn't make sense and they want her to clarify all the holes.

 

[mr roboto]

Wow! Jury has 100 questions for Jodi! Tomorrow am they will review it to see if either side opposes any. What doesn't make sense is why are they allowing the defense to go over the questions with her????! I mean if she's telling the truth... why the need to do it??? 100 questions.... doesn't look good for the defense imo..

Looks great for the defense. The jury clearly doesn't think the info on hand has convinced them beyond a reasonable doubt. And if it has, they still want some clarification to be sure (which would imply they still have doubt).

Or she has told so many lies her story doesn't make sense and they want her to clarify all the holes.

Well she does need time to clean up all her holes.

 

[CurlyNight]

The judge seems to me to be for the defense. I mean first she was saying the defense to come at 10:00 to review the questions and Martinez at 11:00, which doesn't give him the same amount of time as the defense to review the questions. She had to think awhile on it and finally said each side has 45 minutes.

It also seems like she overrules more now when Martinez objects than before.

Oh and there will be no re-cross per the judge. Niiice.

 

[CurlyNight]

Jodi answering juror questions now on HLN!

 

[Johnny Bing]

What kind of questions are coming up...looking better for defense or prosecution?

I would have to figure someone is going to ask, how did you feel threatened after shot him in the head and stabbed him in the chest multiple times, that you stabbed him 9 more times in the back/head and then followed his crawling body into the living room that you felt need to slit his throat down to the spinal cord?

Oh wait, you blacked out during that so you can't answer that.

 

[Abraham]

Wow! Jury has 100 questions for Jodi! Tomorrow am they will review it to see if either side opposes any. What doesn't make sense is why are they allowing the defense to go over the questions with her????! I mean if she's telling the truth... why the need to do it??? 100 questions.... doesn't look good for the defense imo..

Looks great for the defense. The jury clearly doesn't think the info on hand has convinced them beyond a reasonable doubt. And if it has, they still want some clarification to be sure (which would imply they still have doubt).

Or she has told so many lies her story doesn't make sense and they want her to clarify all the holes.

Wouldn't the reaction to that be "her story makes no sense...she has to be lying".

 

[T Bell]

"So what are you doing next Thursday after we acquit you?"

 

[Johnny Bing]

Wow! Jury has 100 questions for Jodi! Tomorrow am they will review it to see if either side opposes any. What doesn't make sense is why are they allowing the defense to go over the questions with her????! I mean if she's telling the truth... why the need to do it??? 100 questions.... doesn't look good for the defense imo..

Looks great for the defense. The jury clearly doesn't think the info on hand has convinced them beyond a reasonable doubt. And if it has, they still want some clarification to be sure (which would imply they still have doubt).

Or she has told so many lies her story doesn't make sense and they want her to clarify all the holes.

Wouldn't the reaction to that be "her story makes no sense...she has to be lying".

In a natural mind yes. But I could also see a juror that wants to turn into a prosecutor and keep needling at her story to maybe persuade the others on the jury that she Murder 1 is the only verdict for her.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

"In your mind, does the line between 'self-defense' and 'psychonutjob' stand between 27 and 28 stabs?"

 

[T Bell]

"Just so we're clear - which three holes?"

 

[Johnny Bing]

"So what are you doing next Thursday after we acquit you?"

I was thinking more like, "Did you say you would like to switch places with Travis?" Because I can arrange part of that for you if you'd like.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Remember, the people on they jury are the ones to dumb to get out of jury duty.

I hear ya.

And I hear you.

uhhh...

 

[Rayderr]

Remember, the people on they jury are the ones to dumb to get out of jury duty.

I hear ya.

And I hear you.

uhhh...

I'm pretty sure I can still get out of jury duty, despite typos.