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Jodi Arias case (1 Viewer)

How touching......... the defense lawyers and Jodi all wearing black today to show they are in mourning as the medical examiner goes through the details of the gruesome cruel killing. :coffee: :rolleyes:
Or, you know, it's just the most common suit color.

 
Next week is it! Judge announced the schedule. Court dark Mon/Tues. Wed more witnesses and will go however long it takes. Thurs and Fri are closing arguments and Mon jury gets the case. :towelwave:
What's your guess as to how the jury is out? Based on the amount of testimony.
If common sense prevails, about 30 -60 minutes. The longer it goes on the better for the defense.
For a case like this 30-60 minutes seems unrealistically quick, even for a no-brainer case. They have to elect a foreman, use the restroom, etc. And, in my experience, most juries will at least talk about things and go through some of the evidence. A quick verdict to me here would be 2-4 hours.
Handled many murder one cases, woz? :) (Just joshin with ya GB)

 
How touching......... the defense lawyers and Jodi all wearing black today to show they are in mourning as the medical examiner goes through the details of the gruesome cruel killing. :coffee: :rolleyes:
Or, you know, it's just the most common suit color.
For men but Willmott rarely wears her black suit. I just found it interesting that on the day the M.E. is going to testify and show graphic photos and discuss the murder that Jodi, Willmott, and Nurmi were all in black.

 
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I admit I haven't seen the whole trial. But I'm finding that things I've missed that are in the closing argument (so far) are pretty damning.

 
Let's see how Nurmi pokes holes. I don't see it. The jury is able to use common sense with the circumstantial evidence. I'm glad it's not Willmott doing the close rather Nurmi since he is as passionate as a rock!

 
Let's see how Nurmi pokes holes. I don't see it. The jury is able to use common sense with the circumstantial evidence. I'm glad it's not Willmott doing the close rather Nurmi since he is as passionate as a rock!
Can they not both do parts? Or is it all up to one person to do close?

 
Let's see how Nurmi pokes holes. I don't see it. The jury is able to use common sense with the circumstantial evidence. I'm glad it's not Willmott doing the close rather Nurmi since he is as passionate as a rock!
Can they not both do parts? Or is it all up to one person to do close?
They didn't mention it being split, just Nurmi is next. I don't get why the defense had to split between 2 attnys while Juan is fine by himself. It's almost like the defense has a huge problem and need 2 heads put together to do something to save her.

Adjourned for the evening! I think he did a great job!

 
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Let's see how Nurmi pokes holes. I don't see it. The jury is able to use common sense with the circumstantial evidence. I'm glad it's not Willmott doing the close rather Nurmi since he is as passionate as a rock!
Can they not both do parts? Or is it all up to one person to do close?
They didn't mention it being split, just Nurmi is next. I don't get why the defense had to split between 2 attnys while Juan is fine by himself. It's almost like the defense has a huge problem and need 2 heads put together to do something to save her.

Adjourned for the evening! I think he did a great job!
Given that a defendant is entitled to a effective assistance of counsel, even an indigent defendant will be appointed more than one attorney for cases that are complex or very serious. Generally, there's a lead counsel and co-counsel (Icon, I've been the latter on two homicides). But in a rarer case like OJ's, there's no stopping a defendant from hiring multiple counsels with a judge then likely asking for a declaration of a lead counsel.

Technically, the prosecution could use multiple attorneys. However, since it is generally "easier" to prosecute a case than defend one (for various reasons, including a larger support staff with paralegals and investigators) prosecutors won't use co-counsels. That said, I've been the lone defense attorney on a case where there were two prosecutors so it's not unheard of.

 
Nurmi is horrible. He's so slow that he puts everyone to sleep. I won't even watch. Snoozefest.
I'm curious what he's going to say about the gas cans. Apparently it came out on HLN after dark tonight that there are 2 Walmarts in Salinas. Jodi had stated she took a can back to the same Salinas store she got it from so that should do it with that should it come up. I've heard the defense attnys watch these shows.

I don't think at this point it matters what she did first with premed being defined of even thinking about what you are doing a short time before the hit. I don't see how the jury can believe it's not premed but I guess you never know what 1 may be thinking (or not....)

 
Nurmi is horrible. He's so slow that he puts everyone to sleep. I won't even watch. Snoozefest.
I'm curious what he's going to say about the gas cans. Apparently it came out on HLN after dark tonight that there are 2 Walmarts in Salinas. Jodi had stated she took a can back to the same Salinas store she got it from so that should do it with that should it come up. I've heard the defense attnys watch these shows.

I don't think at this point it matters what she did first with premed being defined of even thinking about what you are doing a short time before the hit. I don't see how the jury can believe it's not premed but I guess you never know what 1 may be thinking (or not....)
The defense attorney cannot argue facts which were not put into evidence during the testimony. If this was discovered by the HLN but not testified to in trial, the defense attorney cannot point it out in his closing argument. Doing so would be a pretty serious ethical violation.

 
Nurmi is horrible. He's so slow that he puts everyone to sleep. I won't even watch. Snoozefest.
I'm curious what he's going to say about the gas cans. Apparently it came out on HLN after dark tonight that there are 2 Walmarts in Salinas. Jodi had stated she took a can back to the same Salinas store she got it from so that should do it with that should it come up. I've heard the defense attnys watch these shows.

I don't think at this point it matters what she did first with premed being defined of even thinking about what you are doing a short time before the hit. I don't see how the jury can believe it's not premed but I guess you never know what 1 may be thinking (or not....)
The defense attorney cannot argue facts which were not put into evidence during the testimony. If this was discovered by the HLN but not testified to in trial, the defense attorney cannot point it out in his closing argument. Doing so would be a pretty serious ethical violation.
Thanks. Good to hear. Wonder if Nurmi et al are kicking themselves that they didn't catch this to show that Jodi did tell the truth (assuming she did take it back to the other Walmart there and just worded it wrong).

 
Nurmi is horrible. He's so slow that he puts everyone to sleep. I won't even watch. Snoozefest.
I'm curious what he's going to say about the gas cans. Apparently it came out on HLN after dark tonight that there are 2 Walmarts in Salinas. Jodi had stated she took a can back to the same Salinas store she got it from so that should do it with that should it come up. I've heard the defense attnys watch these shows.

I don't think at this point it matters what she did first with premed being defined of even thinking about what you are doing a short time before the hit. I don't see how the jury can believe it's not premed but I guess you never know what 1 may be thinking (or not....)
The defense attorney cannot argue facts which were not put into evidence during the testimony. If this was discovered by the HLN but not testified to in trial, the defense attorney cannot point it out in his closing argument. Doing so would be a pretty serious ethical violation.
Thanks. Good to hear. Wonder if Nurmi et al are kicking themselves that they didn't catch this to show that Jodi did tell the truth (assuming she did take it back to the other Walmart there and just worded it wrong).
Well, I can say that every time I finish putting on evidence I kick myself for missing several things. I'm sure they realized the omission, but not much to do about it now. It's really tough to cover everything.

 
Nurmi is horrible. He's so slow that he puts everyone to sleep. I won't even watch. Snoozefest.
I'm curious what he's going to say about the gas cans. Apparently it came out on HLN after dark tonight that there are 2 Walmarts in Salinas. Jodi had stated she took a can back to the same Salinas store she got it from so that should do it with that should it come up. I've heard the defense attnys watch these shows.

I don't think at this point it matters what she did first with premed being defined of even thinking about what you are doing a short time before the hit. I don't see how the jury can believe it's not premed but I guess you never know what 1 may be thinking (or not....)
The defense attorney cannot argue facts which were not put into evidence during the testimony. If this was discovered by the HLN but not testified to in trial, the defense attorney cannot point it out in his closing argument. Doing so would be a pretty serious ethical violation.
Thanks. Good to hear. Wonder if Nurmi et al are kicking themselves that they didn't catch this to show that Jodi did tell the truth (assuming she did take it back to the other Walmart there and just worded it wrong).
Well, I can say that every time I finish putting on evidence I kick myself for missing several things. I'm sure they realized the omission, but not much to do about it now. It's really tough to cover everything.
I seriously doubt that she returned a gas can regardless. The gas station transactions in Utah refute this.Like Martinez said, he doesn't have to prove step by step premed, just that she thought about it. He has her both ways anyhow, to think otherwise is laughable.

 
Anyone watching this? I'm tuning out until their lunch break then I'll tune in to hear the summary of what Nurmi said.

I just have this sick feeling there will be 1 juror.. I've been watching the HLN after dark series where there are 12 people there listening to arguments about pieces of this case, and there hasn't been a time when they came back unanimous on anything. :/

 
Nurmi is working on creating resonable doubt in the prosecution case of planned out in May. Nurmi missed on the stolen gun theory. The way it was stolen is exactly the way one would do it. Steal the gun, some cash, another item soch as a stereo. Make it look like it was a randon burglary. His atttempt to say, 'take it kill and put it back undetected' is not going to fly. The gun must disappear.

On the red car, hes' correct. It's a red POS not a red corvette. No cop cares about your red POS.

On paying with cash, he is correct. Instead she left a paper trail

On stopping to see other people, on the way, he is correct. another trail.

Homerun on the license plate. The prosecution theory of an upside down plate was dumb. If you want to be undetected, the plate must be on correctly. Not even the dumbest of the dumb would put it on upside down and drive around.

So far, not bad with what he has to work with.

 
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Nurmi has done well so far. I hope there isn't one or two jurors buying it.
I look forward to Juan's last stand and what he's going to say. Glad he gets the last word, but I don't see how there isn't at least 1 juror who won't be able to give her murder 1...

 
I think they will convict on Murder 1 but give her life in prison. No death penalty

 
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theToes said:
I think they will convict on Murder 1 but give her life in prison. No death penalty
They are supposed to come to their decision without considering the penalty phase according to the judge's directions. That's an interesting part because if one doesn't want to see DP, then that person could hold out for murder 2.

 
Nothing makes sense.........well duh..........she's a psychopath who was hoping Travis would give it one more shot and when the answer was no.............she loses it with lots of rage...........yes Nurmi, it all DOES make sense.

 
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I think they will convict on Murder 1 but give her life in prison. No death penalty
They are supposed to come to their decision without considering the penalty phase according to the judge's directions. That's an interesting part because if one doesn't want to see DP, then that person could hold out for murder 2.
On any death penalty case any juror on the panel as already avowed under oath they have no moral objection to the death penalty. So, assuming truthfulness, your concern shouldn't be an issue.

 
We may see a record in objections from the defense today, because Juan is right on! Go Juan!
Are they objecting during his close? If so, are they objecting that he is arguing facts not in evidence or burden shifting?
Yep. Probably 6 so far and 2 side bars. They are saying facts not in evidence mostly but he's come back after side bar and continued on. The magazine issue got all the objections. Now it's quiet on the defense side for now...

 
We may see a record in objections from the defense today, because Juan is right on! Go Juan!
Are they objecting during his close? If so, are they objecting that he is arguing facts not in evidence or burden shifting?
Yep. Probably 6 so far and 2 side bars. They are saying facts not in evidence mostly but he's come back after side bar and continued on. The magazine issue got all the objections. Now it's quiet on the defense side for now...
Well, objections during close are pretty rare, but in a serious case like this they are going to error on the side of caution and preserve any issue they can. The fact they're objecting really isn't indicative of too much, and even if he was arguing facts not in evidence the judge would not order him to stop his close.

 
I assume the jury deliberates over the weekend as well if it goes beyond tonight for a verdict?
Likely no. Juries are almost never deliberate outside of normal court hours because all courtrooms actors have to be available for any potential questions/issues and court staff would be needed to stay there as well.

 
The defense team look deflated. Nurmi wiggling in his chair. Willmott not sitting straight in her seat as she usually does, Jodi and her exchanging notes on a pad. I sure hope there is a verdict today!

How late can they deliberate today?

 
The defense team look deflated. Nurmi wiggling in his chair. Willmott not sitting straight in her seat as she usually does, Jodi and her exchanging notes on a pad. I sure hope there is a verdict today!

How late can they deliberate today?
Up to the judge, but if it just ended now I'm sure all of them just want to get the hell out of there. If they haven't gone back to deliberate I could see them not even beginning to do so until Monday. Sometimes the jury can make this call, but given that the judge has to consider court security and all that, I think they'd just come back next week.

 
The defense team look deflated. Nurmi wiggling in his chair. Willmott not sitting straight in her seat as she usually does, Jodi and her exchanging notes on a pad. I sure hope there is a verdict today!

How late can they deliberate today?
Up to the judge, but if it just ended now I'm sure all of them just want to get the hell out of there. If they haven't gone back to deliberate I could see them not even beginning to do so until Monday. Sometimes the jury can make this call, but given that the judge has to consider court security and all that, I think they'd just come back next week.
It's over now... 3:30 PT... Giving jury instructions now...

 
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Jodi closed eyes, probably praying as the instructions are given. I like how she did her makeup today. I should tweet her what her technique is. :excited:

 
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Now selecting alternate jurors....

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Alternate jurors need to report back on Mon when they start deliberating. Bailifs (sp?) being sworn. Jurors are going to begin deliberating now and alternates are excused.

 
After 55 minutes in jury quarters, they've gone home for the weekend. Their schedule will be 9-4:30 PT Mon-Fri. I hope it's done on Mon....

 
  • Nurmi with the '9 out of 10 days, I don't like her'. How much ya want to bet that was Jodi's idea. Did you see her laugh about it? No attorney says that about their own client especially in a case like this.
 
After 55 minutes in jury quarters, they've gone home for the weekend. Their schedule will be 9-4:30 PT Mon-Fri. I hope it's done on Mon....
The longer it goes the better it is for the defense. If it isn't done Monday, then there is a major disagreement in that jury.

 
They said Juan's other capital case that the jury came back with their guilty verdict in 15 minutes. I would think they took a vote to see where everyone is and it's not unanimous.

Why are they saying verdict watch, acting like they could come back any minute when they are gone home until Mon?

 
They said Juan's other capital case that the jury came back with their guilty verdict in 15 minutes. I would think they took a vote to see where everyone is and it's not unanimous.

Why are they saying verdict watch, acting like they could come back any minute when they are gone home until Mon?
They think people can't figure out that they are taped and not live.

 
  • Nurmi with the '9 out of 10 days, I don't like her'. How much ya want to bet that was Jodi's idea. Did you see her laugh about it? No attorney says that about their own client especially in a case like this.
Some attnys say they have said that and it's a hit and miss whether it works or not, driving home the point that you don't have to like someone to believe them or something to that effect. The problem with it here is he tried to quit the case saying he's losing money cuz he makes much more in practice so the judge ordered him to get $250/hr. With his lackluster passionateless demeanor looking like he's bored half the time that wasn't good for him to say it.

 
I hate to say it but I dont think she will get 1st degree murder. The reason, if you pick 12 people from anywhere in this country, chances are at least 2 of them are complete morons. It will be Casey Anthony all over again. Not that she will be found not guilty, but it will be 2nd degree at most. I just have a bad feeling. This thing is so pre-meditated it's not even funny. They wont come back with that. I could see a hung jury too.

 

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