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She brought a gun and a knife to the scene and did several things to hide the fact she was in Arizona including taking off her license plates. Very clear premeditation.
But there is no proof of any of those. PROOF. Not feelings, proof. There is none, the state did horribly proving anything. Juan's own closing gave you reasonable doubt about the gun. He gives scenarios for both Travis' owning a gun, as well as Jodi bringing one. You cannot convict on that.
sadly this is correct. i don't think the state did a horrible job, they just don't have anything to work with. lots of circumstantial evidence and a lot of important pieces missing. the best case scenario for murder 1 is either the killing occurred during the act of a felony, unlawful entry, burglary etc, or the jury goes with the it only takes a second to be premed. the throat slash and gunshot might fit this bill. she's a ####### monster and deserves the chair, i just don't think it's going to happen.
I think the opposite. The defense had little to work with all the massive lies, even to the jury, she made. Defense may have poked holes but at the end it was obvious their whole case of self defense wasn't being bought so they had to toss in the heat of passion moment in for the manslaughter verdict- in the closing ceremony. Should have done it sooner, like at the beginning. Jury is allowed to consider the circumstantial evidence and the state has tons while defense doesn't have much if any other than Jodi's word. They don't need proof. I still don't think it will be murder 1 but I don't see it being manslaughter. If it is, there is really something wrong with the person(s).
Yes, they do. That is EVERYTHING. Proof = beyond a reasonable doubt. She isn't on trial for lying. Nobody knows what actually happened that day. Juan provided no real answers. In fact he tells them to look at the facts, of which there are very few definite FACTS. Just a bunch of "well, maybe this..!" They aren't (or shouldn't) going to convict on a theory.CurlyNight said:
There are no facts because she conveniently blacked out for the whole murder. Then the fact that she knew she killed him so she hides the gun and knife in desert. Then calls Travis after she killed him to act like she wasn't there.
There was sufficient evidence to convict Casey Anthony. More than enough.
Agreed, the reasonable doubt unfortunately has morphed into the "well the dog may have accidentally stepped on the gun shooting him and we don't have an actual photograph of her killing him/her." Hamster_13 is one of those conspiracy nuts who has chosen a side and has his rose colored glasses on and can't analyze the evidence and realize there isn't reasonable doubt. Heck, he was still believing that she was taking the fall for what, a bunch of ninjas or something?
Casey killed her kid, everyone knows it but the moronic jury. Unfortunately they had 2 options - 1st degree or innocent I believe. They for some reason couldn't come to the conclusion that she killed her in the 1st degree.
If the jury buys that she is borderline personality with rage, then she wanted to torture him rather than just kill him right away. I think she didn't want to kill him initially and it was the second choice she prepared for. She went there thought she could get him with sex and when it became apparent to her he's not staying with her then she lost it with rage, giving him a long tortured death of a see what happens when you mess with me ending. I believe she does have BPD and not PTSD so this would make sense. When you are enraged, you aren't logically thinking and being she didn't think she'd get caught by staying off the radar in AZ, she wouldn't be worried about how much time she was in there.
Sure we do. Jodi confessed to stabbing Travis multiple times, slitting his throat, and shooting him. What the defense has failed to prove is the whole self-defense, domestic abuse nonsense.
I didn't follow this much, but didn't she ADMIT to killing the guy?hamster_13 said:
She killed him in like 2 minutes. This wasn't a slow torture death.
Are you unfamiliar with juries?
2 minutes for us seems like nothing but I'm sure it's an eternity for him.. It's not like he died instantly..
Yes...never been on a jury. What has that got to do with it? Fact remains, she was found not guilty and is a free woman.Mr. Pickles said:
She was found not guilty in spite of the evidence.
Because in that court we generally have a normal morning calendar until about 10ish. The Judge probably has a crazy docket built up and needs to get back to it. The 10 AM start has nothing to doo with the jury's progress. SOP for the Maricopa Superior Court.
I think that would revolutionize the criminal justice system. Add in some lawyer jail time too.
I didn't ask that well was he guilty and she an idiot or should he have walked? By were they all idiots in my earlier question I meant the rest of the jury. Sorry for the ambiguity.
Is this English?
Just asking that in your initial opinion would you have voted guilty or not guilty. Or if you didn't know how you would vote.
I would agree. I'm guessing 1st degree is already off the table. They are trying to decide between 2nd degree and manslaughter. What a sham if I'm right.
It is unrealistic to expect a quick verdict in a trial that lasted 4 months. There is a ton of evidence to review that was presented over that period of time. I would not be surprised if the jury spends most of this week deliberating. I think it is premature to read too much into the length of the deliberations at this point.
One thing to keep in mind is that they are not deciding her sentence at this point. The only thing they should be thinking about is guilt or innocence on whatever charge. Even if they find her guilty of murder 1 doesnt mean she gets the death penalty.
I think it's between 1st and 2nd and there are holdouts on both ends. Ladies, we are heading towards a hung jury and ROUND 2!!!!
I can't imagine them not thinking about it even though they aren't supposed to right now. :dunno: I'd actually rather her do life in prison with no parole so she can live each minute in hell on earth rather than the easy way out.
They said the jury can't claim mistrial that easily. Judge sends them back in and encourages them to work it out. Only if there is absolutely no way will it be hung jury. I'm sure the taxpayers including the jurors don't want to pay another million or more again so I think they will get it done, but it's going to take longer than we'd like.I think it's between 1st and 2nd and there are holdouts on both ends. Ladies, we are heading towards a hung jury and ROUND 2!!!!
