Jodi Arias case (1 Viewer)

[TxBuckeye]

Even if she gets death, isn't the average time someone spends on death row during all the appeals and whatnot about ten years? I think that is fitting punishment. Rot for ten years just sitting and waiting, wondering if today will be the day. Of course, knowing her, she'll be set up like The Duke in Escape from New York within a month of arriving at prison.

 

[Godsbrother]

I'll never understand why a convicted murderer, especially one that is given the death sentence, is put on suicide watch in prison.

 

[McGarnicle]

They should set her on fire.

 

[Zow]

I'll never understand why a convicted murderer, especially one that is given the death sentence, is put on suicide watch in prison.

Because the 8th Amendment requires we prevent suicides in prison. Additionally, many states criminalize suicide. I get that may sound odd then that we try to prevent someone from killing herself whom we plan to execute anyway, but it's consistent with the law.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

This woman is really manipulative. She has basically been in a disguise during the trial (looks like a librarian) and now she says she wants to be put to death.

She's just not very attractive in general.

 

[Zow]

Reverse psychology or not? Her I want to die comment.. Did she do the interview against her attnys wishes or were they in on it...

I strongly doubt they were in on it. She wouldn't be the first client to not listen to her attorney(s). I imagine she isn't too enamored with them given she just lost. And I imagine her attorneys just wanted to go home at the end of the day and grab a glass of wine and then sleep for 12 hours.

 

[Controller]

I'll never understand why a convicted murderer, especially one that is given the death sentence, is put on suicide watch in prison.

Same reason Kamikazi pilots wore helmets.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

I'll never understand why a convicted murderer, especially one that is given the death sentence, is put on suicide watch in prison.

For the the area where the needles go in, do they rub the area with iodine or chlorhexidine? If so, why?

 

[lod01]

Even if she gets death, isn't the average time someone spends on death row during all the appeals and whatnot about ten years? I think that is fitting punishment. Rot for ten years just sitting and waiting, wondering if today will be the day. Of course, knowing her, she'll be set up like The Duke in Escape from New York within a month of arriving at prison.

Wasn't the last person to ask to be put to death, Gary Gilmore back in the 70s and even then the ACLU tried to stop it. If she gets DP and does actiually request immediate execution of sentence, will they do it?

 

[DougGlatt]

I actually hope it's life without parole. I think she thinks she'll be getting the easy end of the deal by getting life, but I think it's much much worse than she thinks. She's in the spotlight right now and she thinks she'll stay there. If she gets death, she will still be in the spotlight from time to time. If she gets life, she'll fade away and rot. That is something that she does not want.

Edit: I believe she deserves death. Just wouldn't be the worst punishment for her.

 

[joffer]

I'll never understand why a convicted murderer, especially one that is given the death sentence, is put on suicide watch in prison.

For the the area where the needles go in, do they rub the area with iodine or chlorhexidine? If so, why?

don't want zombies with infections

 

[Rayderr]

I'll never understand why a convicted murderer, especially one that is given the death sentence, is put on suicide watch in prison.

Because the 8th Amendment requires we prevent suicides in prison. Additionally, many states criminalize suicide. I get that may sound odd then that we try to prevent someone from killing herself whom we plan to execute anyway, but it's consistent with the law.

It does?

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

 

[Zow]

I'll never understand why a convicted murderer, especially one that is given the death sentence, is put on suicide watch in prison.

Because the 8th Amendment requires we prevent suicides in prison. Additionally, many states criminalize suicide. I get that may sound odd then that we try to prevent someone from killing herself whom we plan to execute anyway, but it's consistent with the law.

It does?

>Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Yes

http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=18328535957718783452&q=%22suicide+in+prison%22+8th+amendment&hl=en&as_sdt=2,3

 

[17seconds]

I'll never understand why a convicted murderer, especially one that is given the death sentence, is put on suicide watch in prison.

Makes sense to me. The justice system has taken that freedom from her.

 

[Johnnymac]

I'll never understand why a convicted murderer, especially one that is given the death sentence, is put on suicide watch in prison.

Makes sense to me. The justice system has taken that freedom from her.

She hasn't received a death sentence yet.

 

[17seconds]

I'll never understand why a convicted murderer, especially one that is given the death sentence, is put on suicide watch in prison.

Makes sense to me. The justice system has taken that freedom from her.

She hasn't received a death sentence yet.

Right. Whether she lives or dies is no longer her decision. This is true before and after she is sentenced.

 

[CurlyNight]

I heard that life on death row is better than life in regular pods. Assuming she goes off suicide watch, why is that so?

 

[Rayderr]

Gotta love HLN

Even though Jodi Arias is convicted of first-degree murder, her trial is far from over: The jury will now have to decide if she murdered Travis Alexander in a cruel manner.

...

Alexander was stabbed multiple times, shot in the head, and his throat was slit from ear to ear.After both sides present evidence on the issue of cruelty, the jury will deliberate for a second time to determine if the aggravating factor of cruelty is proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

How would that not be a cruel manner?

 

[CurlyNight]

Gotta love HLN

Even though Jodi Arias is convicted of first-degree murder, her trial is far from over: The jury will now have to decide if she murdered Travis Alexander in a cruel manner.

...

Alexander was stabbed multiple times, shot in the head, and his throat was slit from ear to ear.After both sides present evidence on the issue of cruelty, the jury will deliberate for a second time to determine if the aggravating factor of cruelty is proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

How would that not be a cruel manner?

I don't think we need to worry about the cruelty part with this jury. The defense is going to be hard pressed to show that no matter what order he died, since he didn't die quickly, it cannot be anything but.

 

[CurlyNight]

Just an observation: Grandma was wheelchair bound during the trial. Last night they showed the family leaving the jail, and she was walking along with them just fine, keeping pace.

 

[Johnny Bing]

Just an observation: Grandma was wheelchair bound during the trial. Last night they showed the family leaving the jail, and she was walking along with them just fine, keeping pace.

And do you think Jodi wears those glasses in prison? Its all a show from the day she was arrested.

 

[Gianni Verscotchie]

I just saw her nude pics. Man, that girl has a giant b hole

 

[17seconds]

I just saw her nude pics. Man, that girl has a giant b hole

add it to the list Pickles

 

[lod01]

Just an observation: Grandma was wheelchair bound during the trial. Last night they showed the family leaving the jail, and she was walking along with them just fine, keeping pace.

I guess we know which side of the family she inherited her 'acting' abilities.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

I just saw her nude pics. Man, that girl has a giant b hole

add it to the list Pickles

I think is more of a "make it Jesus Guys friendly" issue than some new thing.

 

[East Coast Bias]

I'll never understand why a convicted murderer, especially one that is given the death sentence, is put on suicide watch in prison.

Because the 8th Amendment requires we prevent suicides in prison. Additionally, many states criminalize suicide. I get that may sound odd then that we try to prevent someone from killing herself whom we plan to execute anyway, but it's consistent with the law.

It does?

>Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments infl

icted.

Yes

http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=18328535957718783452&q=%22suicide+in+prison%22+8th+amendment&hl=en&as_sdt=2,3

No.

 

[CurlyNight]

Court cancelled today. Aggravation phase is now for next Wed. Think it's cuz she did the interview so quick saying I want to die, so they may be evaluating her competency.

 

[McGarnicle]

Court cancelled today. Aggravation phase is now for next Wed. Think it's cuz she did the interview so quick saying I want to die, so they may be evaluating her competency.

Set her on fire. Still want to die #####? I can't hear you!

 

[Zow]

I'll never understand why a convicted murderer, especially one that is given the death sentence, is put on suicide watch in prison.

Because the 8th Amendment requires we prevent suicides in prison. Additionally, many states criminalize suicide. I get that may sound odd then that we try to prevent someone from killing herself whom we plan to execute anyway, but it's consistent with the law.

It does?>Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Yeshttp://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=18328535957718783452&q="suicide+in+prison"+8th+amendment&hl=en&as_sdt=2,3

No.

Care to elaborate?

 

[Zow]

I'll never understand why a convicted murderer, especially one that is given the death sentence, is put on suicide watch in prison.

Makes sense to me. The justice system has taken that freedom from her.

Yet that very system says reasonable steps should be taken to prevent her suicide.

 

[CurlyNight]

Everyone including the M.E. showed up. Lawyers in chambers and family members are still there, and so is the jury in the jury room. I hope the jury are available to continue on, I mean they do have their own lives and must be exhausted.

Wouldn't be surprised if she faked a panic attack or a major meltdown to buy time to figure out what to do now.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

I'll never understand why a convicted murderer, especially one that is given the death sentence, is put on suicide watch in prison.

Good grief.

 

[Rayderr]

I'll never understand why a convicted murderer, especially one that is given the death sentence, is put on suicide watch in prison.

Makes sense to me. The justice system has taken that freedom from her.

Yet that very system says reasonable steps should be taken to prevent her suicide.

The case you linked earlier seems to address those that have psychological issues. I, for one, do not believe that a person doomed to die in prison who chooses to commit suicide has psychological issues. Just the opposite. I see that as probably the sanest thing they could do. Why put up with 20 years of misery only to die? Any sane person would rather just go directly to death, do not pass the shower rape line, do not collect STDs.

 

[Major]

They should set her on fire.

after she appears in a few Bang Bros films

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I heard that life on death row is better than life in regular pods. Assuming she goes off suicide watch, why is that so?

Due to the "last meal" wish they have to hire a better catering service.

 

[Zow]

Everyone including the M.E. showed up. Lawyers in chambers and family members are still there, and so is the jury in the jury room. I hope the jury are available to continue on, I mean they do have their own lives and must be exhausted. Wouldn't be surprised if she faked a panic attack or a major meltdown to buy time to figure out what to do now.

Wouldn't be surprised if she actually had a meltdown after being convicted of a capital offense.

 

[Zow]

I'll never understand why a convicted murderer, especially one that is given the death sentence, is put on suicide watch in prison.

Makes sense to me. The justice system has taken that freedom from her.

Yet that very system says reasonable steps should be taken to prevent her suicide.

The case you linked earlier seems to address those that have psychological issues. I, for one, do not believe that a person doomed to die in prison who chooses to commit suicide has psychological issues. Just the opposite. I see that as probably the sanest thing they could do. Why put up with 20 years of misery only to die? Any sane person would rather just go directly to death, do not pass the shower rape line, do not collect STDs.

Well, the law and the 8th amendment disagree with you.

 

[17seconds]

I'll never understand why a convicted murderer, especially one that is given the death sentence, is put on suicide watch in prison.

Makes sense to me. The justice system has taken that freedom from her.

Yet that very system says reasonable steps should be taken to prevent her suicide.

Because she is taking the right of the people away. We (collectively, through our laws) deserve to choose her punishment.

 

[McGarnicle]

They should set her on fire.

after she appears in a few Bang Bros films

I say before. That's what I'm into now. Backdoor teen mom ruined me, now I gotta watch burnt chicks getting reamed.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

It's against the law to commit suicide, hasn't she done enough illegal things already?

 

[lod01]

They should set her on fire.

after she appears in a few Bang Bros films

 

[lod01]

Everyone including the M.E. showed up. Lawyers in chambers and family members are still there, and so is the jury in the jury room. I hope the jury are available to continue on, I mean they do have their own lives and must be exhausted. Wouldn't be surprised if she faked a panic attack or a major meltdown to buy time to figure out what to do now.

Wouldn't be surprised if she actually had a meltdown after being convicted of a capital offense.

A bigger surprise for all if she is found competent and really does want immediate execution. Not sure why that would be considered insane. The insane ones are the ones sitting and rotting away with life in prison/no parole.

In psych ward. Even after conviction, she runs the show. Impressive to say the least.

 

[East Coast Bias]

I'll never understand why a convicted murderer, especially one that is given the death sentence, is put on suicide watch in prison.

Makes sense to me. The justice system has taken that freedom from her.

Yet that very system says reasonable steps should be taken to prevent her suicide.

The case you linked earlier seems to address those that have psychological issues. I, for one, do not believe that a person doomed to die in prison who chooses to commit suicide has psychological issues. Just the opposite. I see that as probably the sanest thing they could do. Why put up with 20 years of misery only to die? Any sane person would rather just go directly to death, do not pass the shower rape line, do not collect STDs.

Well, the law and the 8th amendment disagree with you.

The 8th amendment doesn't disagree. Someone's interpretation of the 8th amendment disagrees.

 

[Rayderr]

I'll never understand why a convicted murderer, especially one that is given the death sentence, is put on suicide watch in prison.

Makes sense to me. The justice system has taken that freedom from her.

Yet that very system says reasonable steps should be taken to prevent her suicide.

The case you linked earlier seems to address those that have psychological issues. I, for one, do not believe that a person doomed to die in prison who chooses to commit suicide has psychological issues. Just the opposite. I see that as probably the sanest thing they could do. Why put up with 20 years of misery only to die? Any sane person would rather just go directly to death, do not pass the shower rape line, do not collect STDs.

Well, the law and the 8th amendment disagree with you.

If that were the case, all cases that result in the death penalty would automatically get appealed all the way to the Supreme Court. How is it different for a person to choose to end their time in jail early by committing suicide than choosing to end their time in jail early by forgoing the lengthy appeals process?

 

[Zow]

I'll never understand why a convicted murderer, especially one that is given the death sentence, is put on suicide watch in prison.

Makes sense to me. The justice system has taken that freedom from her.

Yet that very system says reasonable steps should be taken to prevent her suicide.

The case you linked earlier seems to address those that have psychological issues. I, for one, do not believe that a person doomed to die in prison who chooses to commit suicide has psychological issues. Just the opposite. I see that as probably the sanest thing they could do. Why put up with 20 years of misery only to die? Any sane person would rather just go directly to death, do not pass the shower rape line, do not collect STDs.

Well, the law and the 8th amendment disagree with you.

If that were the case, all cases that result in the death penalty would automatically get appealed all the way to the Supreme Court. How is it different for a person to choose to end their time in jail early by committing suicide than choosing to end their time in jail early by forgoing the lengthy appeals process?

1. Why, if it were the case (which it is), would all death penalty cases have to be appealed to the Supreme Court? The Death Penalty has been held to be Constitutional, while permitted suicide has not and is in fact criminalize in many jurisdictions.

2. It's not terribly difficult. Which is why all death penalty cases are automatically appealed. Obviously the concern here is to prevent those not thinking clearly from hurting themselves.

 

[Zow]

I'll never understand why a convicted murderer, especially one that is given the death sentence, is put on suicide watch in prison.

Makes sense to me. The justice system has taken that freedom from her.

Yet that very system says reasonable steps should be taken to prevent her suicide.

The case you linked earlier seems to address those that have psychological issues. I, for one, do not believe that a person doomed to die in prison who chooses to commit suicide has psychological issues. Just the opposite. I see that as probably the sanest thing they could do. Why put up with 20 years of misery only to die? Any sane person would rather just go directly to death, do not pass the shower rape line, do not collect STDs.

Well, the law and the 8th amendment disagree with you.

The 8th amendment doesn't disagree. Someone's interpretation of the 8th amendment disagrees.

That someone being binding legal authority. I'm not referencing my own interpretation here. I'm referencing caselaw - which is what would be applied in the situation and backs my initial "yes" answer.

 

[East Coast Bias]

I'll never understand why a convicted murderer, especially one that is given the death sentence, is put on suicide watch in prison.

Makes sense to me. The justice system has taken that freedom from her.

Yet that very system says reasonable steps should be taken to prevent her suicide.

The case you linked earlier seems to address those that have psychological issues. I, for one, do not believe that a person doomed to die in prison who chooses to commit suicide has psychological issues. Just the opposite. I see that as probably the sanest thing they could do. Why put up with 20 years of misery only to die? Any sane person would rather just go directly to death, do not pass the shower rape line, do not collect STDs.

Well, the law and the 8th amendment disagree with you.

The 8th amendment doesn't disagree. Someone's interpretation of the 8th amendment disagrees.

That someone being binding legal authority. I'm not referencing my own interpretation here. I'm referencing caselaw - which is what would be applied in the situation and backs my initial "yes" answer.

So you agree that it's case law that requires we prevent suicides in prison not the 8th amendment. Glad we got that worked out.

 

[Zow]

I'll never understand why a convicted murderer, especially one that is given the death sentence, is put on suicide watch in prison.

Makes sense to me. The justice system has taken that freedom from her.

Yet that very system says reasonable steps should be taken to prevent her suicide.

The case you linked earlier seems to address those that have psychological issues. I, for one, do not believe that a person doomed to die in prison who chooses to commit suicide has psychological issues. Just the opposite. I see that as probably the sanest thing they could do. Why put up with 20 years of misery only to die? Any sane person would rather just go directly to death, do not pass the shower rape line, do not collect STDs.

Well, the law and the 8th amendment disagree with you.

The 8th amendment doesn't disagree. Someone's interpretation of the 8th amendment disagrees.

That someone being binding legal authority. I'm not referencing my own interpretation here. I'm referencing caselaw - which is what would be applied in the situation and backs my initial "yes" answer.

So you agree that it's case law that requires we prevent suicides in prison not the 8th amendment. Glad we got that worked out.

:sigh:

No, I don't agree. Do you agree that you lack a fundamental understanding of what "caselaw" means?

 

[Rayderr]

I'll never understand why a convicted murderer, especially one that is given the death sentence, is put on suicide watch in prison.

Makes sense to me. The justice system has taken that freedom from her.

Yet that very system says reasonable steps should be taken to prevent her suicide.

The case you linked earlier seems to address those that have psychological issues. I, for one, do not believe that a person doomed to die in prison who chooses to commit suicide has psychological issues. Just the opposite. I see that as probably the sanest thing they could do. Why put up with 20 years of misery only to die? Any sane person would rather just go directly to death, do not pass the shower rape line, do not collect STDs.

Well, the law and the 8th amendment disagree with you.

If that were the case, all cases that result in the death penalty would automatically get appealed all the way to the Supreme Court. How is it different for a person to choose to end their time in jail early by committing suicide than choosing to end their time in jail early by forgoing the lengthy appeals process?

1. Why, if it were the case (which it is), would all death penalty cases have to be appealed to the Supreme Court? The Death Penalty has been held to be Constitutional, while permitted suicide has not and is in fact criminalize in many jurisdictions.

2. It's not terribly difficult. Which is why all death penalty cases are automatically appealed. Obviously the concern here is to prevent those not thinking clearly from hurting themselves.

because according to you and your link, trying to end your life in prison early is a sign of psychological issues that the 8th amendment must protect the inmate from. By that logic, choosing not to appeal is a sign of psychological issues as they are not trying to stay alive. Therefore, the 8th amendment must protect them from that and the only way would be to automatically appeal every death sentence case.

 

[East Coast Bias]

I'll never understand why a convicted murderer, especially one that is given the death sentence, is put on suicide watch in prison.

Makes sense to me. The justice system has taken that freedom from her.

Yet that very system says reasonable steps should be taken to prevent her suicide.

The case you linked earlier seems to address those that have psychological issues. I, for one, do not believe that a person doomed to die in prison who chooses to commit suicide has psychological issues. Just the opposite. I see that as probably the sanest thing they could do. Why put up with 20 years of misery only to die? Any sane person would rather just go directly to death, do not pass the shower rape line, do not collect STDs.

Well, the law and the 8th amendment disagree with you.

The 8th amendment doesn't disagree. Someone's interpretation of the 8th amendment disagrees.

That someone being binding legal authority. I'm not referencing my own interpretation here. I'm referencing caselaw - which is what would be applied in the situation and backs my initial "yes" answer.

So you agree that it's case law that requires we prevent suicides in prison not the 8th amendment. Glad we got that worked out.

:sigh:

No, I don't agree. Do you agree that you lack a fundamental understanding of what "caselaw" means?

Does case law = constitutional amendment?