Jodi Arias case (2 Viewers)

[Jules Winnfield]

They should set her on fire.

after she appears in a few Bang Bros films

No kidding. I wouldn't mind seeing some guy work her face like a Jackson Pollock painting

 

[Zow]

I'll never understand why a convicted murderer, especially one that is given the death sentence, is put on suicide watch in prison.

Makes sense to me. The justice system has taken that freedom from her.

Yet that very system says reasonable steps should be taken to prevent her suicide.

The case you linked earlier seems to address those that have psychological issues. I, for one, do not believe that a person doomed to die in prison who chooses to commit suicide has psychological issues. Just the opposite. I see that as probably the sanest thing they could do. Why put up with 20 years of misery only to die? Any sane person would rather just go directly to death, do not pass the shower rape line, do not collect STDs.

Well, the law and the 8th amendment disagree with you.

If that were the case, all cases that result in the death penalty would automatically get appealed all the way to the Supreme Court. How is it different for a person to choose to end their time in jail early by committing suicide than choosing to end their time in jail early by forgoing the lengthy appeals process?

1. Why, if it were the case (which it is), would all death penalty cases have to be appealed to the Supreme Court? The Death Penalty has been held to be Constitutional, while permitted suicide has not and is in fact criminalize in many jurisdictions.

2. It's not terribly difficult. Which is why all death penalty cases are automatically appealed. Obviously the concern here is to prevent those not thinking clearly from hurting themselves.

because according to you and your link, trying to end your life in prison early is a sign of psychological issues that the 8th amendment must protect the inmate from. By that logic, choosing not to appeal is a sign of psychological issues as they are not trying to stay alive. Therefore, the 8th amendment must protect them from that and the only way would be to automatically appeal every death sentence case.

And that's what happens.

 

[Zow]

I'll never understand why a convicted murderer, especially one that is given the death sentence, is put on suicide watch in prison.

Makes sense to me. The justice system has taken that freedom from her.

Yet that very system says reasonable steps should be taken to prevent her suicide.

The case you linked earlier seems to address those that have psychological issues. I, for one, do not believe that a person doomed to die in prison who chooses to commit suicide has psychological issues. Just the opposite. I see that as probably the sanest thing they could do. Why put up with 20 years of misery only to die? Any sane person would rather just go directly to death, do not pass the shower rape line, do not collect STDs.

Well, the law and the 8th amendment disagree with you.

The 8th amendment doesn't disagree. Someone's interpretation of the 8th amendment disagrees.

That someone being binding legal authority. I'm not referencing my own interpretation here. I'm referencing caselaw - which is what would be applied in the situation and backs my initial "yes" answer.

So you agree that it's case law that requires we prevent suicides in prison not the 8th amendment. Glad we got that worked out.

:sigh:

No, I don't agree. Do you agree that you lack a fundamental understanding of what "caselaw" means?

Does case law = constitutional amendment?

Of course not. It means binding legal authority created through application by people much smarter than me or you to be applied to future cases of similar issues.

There are only a few sentences in the Bill of Rights. Obviously they don't stand alone like some sort of code. If that were the case, good luck have a consistent definition of due process. Fortunately, our founding fathers weren't so obtuse, and the judiciary was created.

 

[Rayderr]

I'll never understand why a convicted murderer, especially one that is given the death sentence, is put on suicide watch in prison.

Makes sense to me. The justice system has taken that freedom from her.

Yet that very system says reasonable steps should be taken to prevent her suicide.

The case you linked earlier seems to address those that have psychological issues. I, for one, do not believe that a person doomed to die in prison who chooses to commit suicide has psychological issues. Just the opposite. I see that as probably the sanest thing they could do. Why put up with 20 years of misery only to die? Any sane person would rather just go directly to death, do not pass the shower rape line, do not collect STDs.

Well, the law and the 8th amendment disagree with you.

If that were the case, all cases that result in the death penalty would automatically get appealed all the way to the Supreme Court. How is it different for a person to choose to end their time in jail early by committing suicide than choosing to end their time in jail early by forgoing the lengthy appeals process?

1. Why, if it were the case (which it is), would all death penalty cases have to be appealed to the Supreme Court? The Death Penalty has been held to be Constitutional, while permitted suicide has not and is in fact criminalize in many jurisdictions.

2. It's not terribly difficult. Which is why all death penalty cases are automatically appealed. Obviously the concern here is to prevent those not thinking clearly from hurting themselves.

because according to you and your link, trying to end your life in prison early is a sign of psychological issues that the 8th amendment must protect the inmate from. By that logic, choosing not to appeal is a sign of psychological issues as they are not trying to stay alive. Therefore, the 8th amendment must protect them from that and the only way would be to automatically appeal every death sentence case.

And that's what happens.

So every case does get appealed all the way up to the supreme court?

 

[Zow]

I'll never understand why a convicted murderer, especially one that is given the death sentence, is put on suicide watch in prison.

Makes sense to me. The justice system has taken that freedom from her.

Yet that very system says reasonable steps should be taken to prevent her suicide.

The case you linked earlier seems to address those that have psychological issues. I, for one, do not believe that a person doomed to die in prison who chooses to commit suicide has psychological issues. Just the opposite. I see that as probably the sanest thing they could do. Why put up with 20 years of misery only to die? Any sane person would rather just go directly to death, do not pass the shower rape line, do not collect STDs.

Well, the law and the 8th amendment disagree with you.

If that were the case, all cases that result in the death penalty would automatically get appealed all the way to the Supreme Court. How is it different for a person to choose to end their time in jail early by committing suicide than choosing to end their time in jail early by forgoing the lengthy appeals process?

1. Why, if it were the case (which it is), would all death penalty cases have to be appealed to the Supreme Court? The Death Penalty has been held to be Constitutional, while permitted suicide has not and is in fact criminalize in many jurisdictions.

2. It's not terribly difficult. Which is why all death penalty cases are automatically appealed. Obviously the concern here is to prevent those not thinking clearly from hurting themselves.

because according to you and your link, trying to end your life in prison early is a sign of psychological issues that the 8th amendment must protect the inmate from. By that logic, choosing not to appeal is a sign of psychological issues as they are not trying to stay alive. Therefore, the 8th amendment must protect them from that and the only way would be to automatically appeal every death sentence case.

And that's what happens.

So every case does get appealed all the way up to the supreme court?

No, they are automatically appealed to appellate courts where these case is examined for factual, procedural, and constitutional errors.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Sounds like we are on the same page now. Anything else I can educate you on?

 

[Zow]

Sounds like we are on the same page now. Anything else I can educate you on?

I think this observes an obligatory Christo:

 

[Rayderr]

No, they are automatically appealed to appellate courts where these case is examined for factual, procedural, and constitutional errors.

Ok, but if the person chooses to forgo additional appeals because they'd rather have the execution carried out than to remain in jail for decades, why is that not covered under the 8th amendment like suicides?

 

[identikit]

Sounds like we are on the same page now. Anything else I can educate you on?

I think this observes an obligatory Christo:

Good observation.

 

[Zow]

No, they are automatically appealed to appellate courts where these case is examined for factual, procedural, and constitutional errors.

Ok, but if the person chooses to forgo additional appeals because they'd rather have the execution carried out than to remain in jail for decades, why is that not covered under the 8th amendment like suicides?

Because they've already been afforded the chance of an effective review by a court of higher authority to ensure that their conviction and sentence was not unconstitutional. Accordingly, the 8th Amendment has then been, for lack of a better word, satisfied. A person doesn't have the absolute right to an automatic/lawyer assisted second appeal anyway, regardless of whether he wanted to commit suicide.

 

[Rayderr]

No, they are automatically appealed to appellate courts where these case is examined for factual, procedural, and constitutional errors.

Ok, but if the person chooses to forgo additional appeals because they'd rather have the execution carried out than to remain in jail for decades, why is that not covered under the 8th amendment like suicides?

Because they've already been afforded the chance of an effective review by a court of higher authority to ensure that their conviction and sentence was not unconstitutional. Accordingly, the 8th Amendment has then been, for lack of a better word, satisfied. A person doesn't have the absolute right to an automatic/lawyer assisted second appeal anyway, regardless of whether he wanted to commit suicide.

McVeigh, 33, a decorated Gulf War Army veteran, admitted in a recently published biography that he was responsible for the bombing. He earlier waived his appeals, telling his attorneys he would rather be put to death than spend his life in prison.

How is that different than someone committing suicide to avoid a life in prison? In both cases, the person is choosing to end their life. It is inconsistent to have the 8th amendment apply to the latter but not the former.

 

[Zow]

No, they are automatically appealed to appellate courts where these case is examined for factual, procedural, and constitutional errors.

Ok, but if the person chooses to forgo additional appeals because they'd rather have the execution carried out than to remain in jail for decades, why is that not covered under the 8th amendment like suicides?

Because they've already been afforded the chance of an effective review by a court of higher authority to ensure that their conviction and sentence was not unconstitutional. Accordingly, the 8th Amendment has then been, for lack of a better word, satisfied. A person doesn't have the absolute right to an automatic/lawyer assisted second appeal anyway, regardless of whether he wanted to commit suicide.

>McVeigh, 33, a decorated Gulf War Army veteran, admitted in a recently published biography that he was responsible for the bombing. He earlier waived his appeals, telling his attorneys he would rather be put to death than spend his life in prison.

How is that different than someone committing suicide to avoid a life in prison? In both cases, the person is choosing to end their life. It is inconsistent to have the 8th amendment apply to the latter but not the former.

Note the italics. That should answer your question.

And even if correct, it's not inconsistent if the defendant knowingly, intelligently, and voluntarily waived his appeal rights (and found by the court or through attorney avowal). With suicide, you don't have a right to suicide initially, so such a waiver would still be illegal.

 

[Rayderr]

No, they are automatically appealed to appellate courts where these case is examined for factual, procedural, and constitutional errors.

Ok, but if the person chooses to forgo additional appeals because they'd rather have the execution carried out than to remain in jail for decades, why is that not covered under the 8th amendment like suicides?

Because they've already been afforded the chance of an effective review by a court of higher authority to ensure that their conviction and sentence was not unconstitutional. Accordingly, the 8th Amendment has then been, for lack of a better word, satisfied. A person doesn't have the absolute right to an automatic/lawyer assisted second appeal anyway, regardless of whether he wanted to commit suicide.

>McVeigh, 33, a decorated Gulf War Army veteran, admitted in a recently published biography that he was responsible for the bombing. He earlier waived his appeals, telling his attorneys he would rather be put to death than spend his life in prison.

trong>

How is that different than someone committing suicide to avoid a life in prison? In both cases, the person is choosing to end their life. It is inconsistent to have the 8th amendment apply to the latter but not the former.

Note the italics. That should answer your question.

And even if correct, it's not inconsistent if the defendant knowingly, intelligently, and voluntarily waived his appeal rights (and found by the court or through attorney avowal). With suicide, you don't have a right to suicide initially, so such a waiver would still be illegal.

Good lord dude, how many times do we have to go over this. According to your link, a person who wishes to die and takes action to do so has psychological issues and must be protected per the 8th amendment. In the case of McVeigh, he wished to die, took action to do so. Ergo should've been deemed to have psychological issues and be protected via the 8th amendment. That did not happen.

 

[CurlyNight]

So the facility she is now in the psych ward has more relaxed security. She has a tv in her room, is able to have visitors come and go, gets out more for exercise... much nicer than where she was.

Apparently last year an inmate from that psych ward escaped through the roof and was spotted in downtown Phoenix. Wonder if she knows that.

Her meltdown seems to be serving her better now.

 

[Zow]

So the facility she is now in the psych ward has more relaxed security. She has a tv in her room, is able to have visitors come and go, gets out more for exercise... much nicer than where she was. Apparently last year an inmate from that psych ward escaped through the roof and was spotted in downtown Phoenix. Wonder if she knows that. Her meltdown seems to be serving her better now.

Name of facilty?

 

[Zow]

No, they are automatically appealed to appellate courts where these case is examined for factual, procedural, and constitutional errors.

Ok, but if the person chooses to forgo additional appeals because they'd rather have the execution carried out than to remain in jail for decades, why is that not covered under the 8th amendment like suicides?

Because they've already been afforded the chance of an effective review by a court of higher authority to ensure that their conviction and sentence was not unconstitutional. Accordingly, the 8th Amendment has then been, for lack of a better word, satisfied. A person doesn't have the absolute right to an automatic/lawyer assisted second appeal anyway, regardless of whether he wanted to commit suicide.

>McVeigh, 33, a decorated Gulf War Army veteran, admitted in a recently published biography that he was responsible for the bombing. He earlier waived his appeals, telling his attorneys he would rather be put to death than spend his life in prison.trong>How is that different than someone committing suicide to avoid a life in prison? In both cases, the person is choosing to end their life. It is inconsistent to have the 8th amendment apply to the latter but not the former.

Note the italics. That should answer your question. And even if correct, it's not inconsistent if the defendant knowingly, intelligently, and voluntarily waived his appeal rights (and found by the court or through attorney avowal). With suicide, you don't have a right to suicide initially, so such a waiver would still be illegal.

Good lord dude, how many times do we have to go over this. According to your link, a person who wishes to die and takes action to do so has psychological issues and must be protected per the 8th amendment. In the case of McVeigh, he wished to die, took action to do so. Ergo should've been deemed to have psychological issues and be protected via the 8th amendment. That did not happen.

If you can't see the distinguishing facts at this point, I can't help you.

 

[mad sweeney]

No, they are automatically appealed to appellate courts where these case is examined for factual, procedural, and constitutional errors.

Ok, but if the person chooses to forgo additional appeals because they'd rather have the execution carried out than to remain in jail for decades, why is that not covered under the 8th amendment like suicides?

Because they've already been afforded the chance of an effective review by a court of higher authority to ensure that their conviction and sentence was not unconstitutional. Accordingly, the 8th Amendment has then been, for lack of a better word, satisfied. A person doesn't have the absolute right to an automatic/lawyer assisted second appeal anyway, regardless of whether he wanted to commit suicide.

>McVeigh, 33, a decorated Gulf War Army veteran, admitted in a recently published biography that he was responsible for the bombing. He earlier waived his appeals, telling his attorneys he would rather be put to death than spend his life in prison.trong>How is that different than someone committing suicide to avoid a life in prison? In both cases, the person is choosing to end their life. It is inconsistent to have the 8th amendment apply to the latter but not the former.

Note the italics. That should answer your question. And even if correct, it's not inconsistent if the defendant knowingly, intelligently, and voluntarily waived his appeal rights (and found by the court or through attorney avowal). With suicide, you don't have a right to suicide initially, so such a waiver would still be illegal.

Good lord dude, how many times do we have to go over this. According to your link, a person who wishes to die and takes action to do so has psychological issues and must be protected per the 8th amendment. In the case of McVeigh, he wished to die, took action to do so. Ergo should've been deemed to have psychological issues and be protected via the 8th amendment. That did not happen.

If you can't see the distinguishing facts at this point, I can't help you.

 

[Godsbrother]

I just went on the JodiIsInnocent website to see the comments. Those people need help...

You don't even need to get to the comments for that... (the bold/caps is from the website, but the red is mine for emphasis)

>

At the end of all that – and taking all the various countless factors into account… and maybe some we’ve not even thought of yet… we WILL (once again) be victorious in our combined quest for JUSTICE FOR JODI. Yep… you heard it here first.

So peeps… leave your comments below on today’s verdict, while we prepare to battle on!

Thanks again for all your support over the past 4+ months. Let’s keep it going.

The pedo-hugging #######’ joy will be short lived.

WE ARE TEAM JODI – AND WE WILL BE VICTORIOUS!

Today doesn’t changes that.

I’ll see you tomorrow @ 1.00 pm or thereabouts.

SJ

Tea

m Jodi

Hey guy, being convicted of M1 does, in point of fact, change that.

Of course this site exists...of course it does. Wow, incredibly sad.

My guess is these are damaged people with misdirected anger. Arias was brilliant in making up things about the guy beating her and looking at kiddie porn. Now she's got the straight-jacket contingent behind her.

I don't understand the victim's family saying they are filing a wrongful death suit. Arias has money?

Seems like an expensive proposition with very little chance of payoff.

They are doing that so Jodi wont be able to profit from the case.

I thought that was prohibited anyway? I've seen many times after a guilty verdict, the judge will decree that the defendant is not allowed to accept payment for books, interviews, etc.

I thought so too. I dont know, maybe there are loopholes for these criminals to get around that.

She can't profit from anything related to the case like books and interviews but she can from her artwork. There's enough nutjobs out there who will support her so this is to prevent her from getting the money. They said there was 1 guy who just atm'd her $800.

And the nutjobs have money. Wow, do these cases ever bring out the crazies in society.

I am somewhat disappointed to find there is not yet an "ArielCastroIsInnocent" site yet. I thought for sure at least some of these idiots that thought Jodi was innocent would stand up for poor ol' Ariel...

 

[Rayderr]

No, they are automatically appealed to appellate courts where these case is examined for factual, procedural, and constitutional errors.

Ok, but if the person chooses to forgo additional appeals because they'd rather have the execution carried out than to remain in jail for decades, why is that not covered under the 8th amendment like suicides?

Because they've already been afforded the chance of an effective review by a court of higher authority to ensure that their conviction and sentence was not unconstitutional. Accordingly, the 8th Amendment has then been, for lack of a better word, satisfied. A person doesn't have the absolute right to an automatic/lawyer assisted second appeal anyway, regardless of whether he wanted to commit suicide.

>McVeigh, 33, a decorated Gulf War Army veteran, admitted in a recently published biography that he was responsible for the bombing. He earlier waived his appeals, telling his attorneys he would rather be put to death than spend his life in prison.trong>How is that different than someone committing suicide to avoid a life in prison? In both cases, the person is choosing to end their life. It is inconsistent to have the 8th amendment apply to the latter but not the former.

Note the italics. That should answer your question. And even if correct, it's not inconsistent if the defendant knowingly, intelligently, and voluntarily waived his appeal rights (and found by the court or through attorney avowal). With suicide, you don't have a right to suicide initially, so such a waiver would still be illegal.

Good lord dude, how many times do we have to go over this. According to your link, a person who wishes to die and takes action to do so has psychological issues and must be protected per the 8th amendment. In the case of McVeigh, he wished to die, took action to do so. Ergo should've been deemed to have psychological issues and be protected via the 8th amendment. That did not happen.

If you can't see the distinguishing facts at this point, I can't help you.

I see it as a suicide vs. suicide by cop situation. Either way, the person has some issues and wants to die. There are tons of procedures in place to prevent suicide by cop. But none for suicide by execution. By not forcing people like McVeigh, who want to die rather than spend their life in prison, to exhaust their appeals, the gov't is acknowledging that wanting to die and trying to speed up death is not necessarily an indication of psychological illness.

 

[lod01]

Zow and Rayderr, this thread is all about Jodi Arias, the way she would want it, and you guys are ####### ruining it.

 

[dickey moe]

Key question: Is this chick hot enough to care about this, or not?

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Key question: Is this chick hot enough to care about this, or not?

Shut. It. Down.

 

[17seconds]

I'm not reading all that legal crap from the last page.

The thing I said about protecting a murderer from themselves is simply that I don't think they should decide their own fate. Once convicted, we decide that with the state acting in our interest.

 

[CurlyNight]

So the facility she is now in the psych ward has more relaxed security. She has a tv in her room, is able to have visitors come and go, gets out more for exercise... much nicer than where she was. Apparently last year an inmate from that psych ward escaped through the roof and was spotted in downtown Phoenix. Wonder if she knows that. Her meltdown seems to be serving her better now.

Name of facilty?

Lower Buckeye Jail

 

[CurlyNight]

Link to escape story:

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_phoenix_metro/central_phoenix/mcso-dangerous-inmate-adan-orduno-missing-from-lower-buckeye-jail

 

[drfeelgood]

Court cancelled today. Aggravation phase is now for next Wed. Think it's cuz she did the interview so quick saying I want to die, so they may be evaluating her competency.

It was cancelled due to a bomb threat.

 

[lod01]

They showed the interrogation today with the ninja story. Interestingly enough, she said travis was on all 4s and was 'screaming'. Then something about him not moving much. At this point she is trying a new story and using what she saw. I say she got him to sit down in the shower and shot him while he was in that position. She pulls out the gun, he turns as he sees it and that's why it enters the side of his head and goes down towards the cheek. If I am not mistaken, the last pic shows him sitting in the shower, facing right. The bullet enters the right side. She shot him first and was trying to make the ninja story fit the order of the crime. She asked for pictures but the detective said no. She wanted to make up some other #### to fit the pictures. I also say the gun jammed. Thus the knife. The plan was unload on him and keep him in the shower, then wash off the evidence.

 

[N Zone]

They showed the interrogation today with the ninja story. Interestingly enough, she said travis was on all 4s and was 'screaming'. Then something about him not moving much. At this point she is trying a new story and using what she saw. I say she got him to sit down in the shower and shot him while he was in that position. She pulls out the gun, he turns as he sees it and that's why it enters the side of his head and goes down towards the cheek. If I am not mistaken, the last pic shows him sitting in the shower, facing right. The bullet enters the right side. She shot him first and was trying to make the ninja story fit the order of the crime. She asked for pictures but the detective said no. She wanted to make up some other #### to fit the pictures. I also say the gun jammed. Thus the knife. The plan was unload on him and keep him in the shower, then wash off the evidence.

I think you're likely spot on.

 

[CurlyNight]

Thankfully the order of what she did won't matter in the aggravation phase. Might as well save the taxpayers on this mini trial for nothing is more obvious than the cruelty he suffered before he finally died. Can't wait to see what those defense lawyers will come up with, if she hasn't fired them.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

They showed the interrogation today with the ninja story. Interestingly enough, she said travis was on all 4s and was 'screaming'. Then something about him not moving much. At this point she is trying a new story and using what she saw. I say she got him to sit down in the shower and shot him while he was in that position. She pulls out the gun, he turns as he sees it and that's why it enters the side of his head and goes down towards the cheek. If I am not mistaken, the last pic shows him sitting in the shower, facing right. The bullet enters the right side. She shot him first and was trying to make the ninja story fit the order of the crime. She asked for pictures but the detective said no. She wanted to make up some other #### to fit the pictures. I also say the gun jammed. Thus the knife. The plan was unload on him and keep him in the shower, then wash off the evidence.

I think you're likely spot on.

gun shot wound occurred after his heart had stopped pumping, it was last. there is a photo of the crazy ##### dragging his incredibly bloody body down the hall after she slit his throat. she probably put him in the shower in an attempt to clean up.

i think the all fours part and the going quiet was right before she slit his throat.

 

[Underachievers]

They showed the interrogation today with the ninja story. Interestingly enough, she said travis was on all 4s and was 'screaming'. Then something about him not moving much. At this point she is trying a new story and using what she saw. I say she got him to sit down in the shower and shot him while he was in that position. She pulls out the gun, he turns as he sees it and that's why it enters the side of his head and goes down towards the cheek. If I am not mistaken, the last pic shows him sitting in the shower, facing right. The bullet enters the right side. She shot him first and was trying to make the ninja story fit the order of the crime. She asked for pictures but the detective said no. She wanted to make up some other #### to fit the pictures. I also say the gun jammed. Thus the knife. The plan was unload on him and keep him in the shower, then wash off the evidence.

I think you're likely spot on.

gun shot wound occurred after his heart had stopped pumping, it was last. there is a photo of the crazy ##### dragging his incredibly bloody body down the hall after she slit his throat. she probably put him in the shower in an attempt to clean up.

i think the all fours part and the going quiet was right before she slit his throat.

Who the hell took the photo?

 

[DA RAIDERS]

They showed the interrogation today with the ninja story. Interestingly enough, she said travis was on all 4s and was 'screaming'. Then something about him not moving much. At this point she is trying a new story and using what she saw. I say she got him to sit down in the shower and shot him while he was in that position. She pulls out the gun, he turns as he sees it and that's why it enters the side of his head and goes down towards the cheek. If I am not mistaken, the last pic shows him sitting in the shower, facing right. The bullet enters the right side. She shot him first and was trying to make the ninja story fit the order of the crime. She asked for pictures but the detective said no. She wanted to make up some other #### to fit the pictures. I also say the gun jammed. Thus the knife. The plan was unload on him and keep him in the shower, then wash off the evidence.

I think you're likely spot on.

gun shot wound occurred after his heart had stopped pumping, it was last. there is a photo of the crazy ##### dragging his incredibly bloody body down the hall after she slit his throat. she probably put him in the shower in an attempt to clean up.

i think the all fours part and the going quiet was right before she slit his throat.

Who the hell took the photo?

her dumb ### by accident. it's as if it's dangling from her wrist. there are 3-5 'inadvertent" photos. they're online if you want to see them.

or maybe it was the ninjas...........................

 

[hamster_13]

They showed the interrogation today with the ninja story. Interestingly enough, she said travis was on all 4s and was 'screaming'. Then something about him not moving much. At this point she is trying a new story and using what she saw. I say she got him to sit down in the shower and shot him while he was in that position. She pulls out the gun, he turns as he sees it and that's why it enters the side of his head and goes down towards the cheek. If I am not mistaken, the last pic shows him sitting in the shower, facing right. The bullet enters the right side. She shot him first and was trying to make the ninja story fit the order of the crime. She asked for pictures but the detective said no. She wanted to make up some other #### to fit the pictures. I also say the gun jammed. Thus the knife. The plan was unload on him and keep him in the shower, then wash off the evidence.

I think you're likely spot on.

gun shot wound occurred after his heart had stopped pumping, it was last. there is a photo of the crazy ##### dragging his incredibly bloody body down the hall after she slit his throat. she probably put him in the shower in an attempt to clean up.

i think the all fours part and the going quiet was right before she slit his throat.

Who the hell took the photo?

her dumb ### by accident. it's as if it's dangling from her wrist. there are 3-5 'inadvertent" photos. they're online if you want to see them.

or maybe it was the ninjas...........................

Glad you are finally starting to see the truth!

 

[CurlyNight]

They showed the interrogation today with the ninja story. Interestingly enough, she said travis was on all 4s and was 'screaming'. Then something about him not moving much. At this point she is trying a new story and using what she saw. I say she got him to sit down in the shower and shot him while he was in that position. She pulls out the gun, he turns as he sees it and that's why it enters the side of his head and goes down towards the cheek. If I am not mistaken, the last pic shows him sitting in the shower, facing right. The bullet enters the right side. She shot him first and was trying to make the ninja story fit the order of the crime. She asked for pictures but the detective said no. She wanted to make up some other #### to fit the pictures. I also say the gun jammed. Thus the knife. The plan was unload on him and keep him in the shower, then wash off the evidence.

I think you're likely spot on.

gun shot wound occurred after his heart had stopped pumping, it was last. there is a photo of the crazy ##### dragging his incredibly bloody body down the hall after she slit his throat. she probably put him in the shower in an attempt to clean up.

i think the all fours part and the going quiet was right before she slit his throat.

Who the hell took the photo?

her dumb ### by accident. it's as if it's dangling from her wrist. there are 3-5 'inadvertent" photos. they're online if you want to see them.

or maybe it was the ninjas...........................

Glad you are finally starting to see the truth!

Dude, no way are you serious. Just wondering why you are so hell bent on believing something that even Jodi has admitted to lying about.

 

[lod01]

They showed the interrogation today with the ninja story. Interestingly enough, she said travis was on all 4s and was 'screaming'. Then something about him not moving much. At this point she is trying a new story and using what she saw. I say she got him to sit down in the shower and shot him while he was in that position. She pulls out the gun, he turns as he sees it and that's why it enters the side of his head and goes down towards the cheek. If I am not mistaken, the last pic shows him sitting in the shower, facing right. The bullet enters the right side. She shot him first and was trying to make the ninja story fit the order of the crime. She asked for pictures but the detective said no. She wanted to make up some other #### to fit the pictures. I also say the gun jammed. Thus the knife. The plan was unload on him and keep him in the shower, then wash off the evidence.

I think you're likely spot on.

gun shot wound occurred after his heart had stopped pumping, it was last. there is a photo of the crazy ##### dragging his incredibly bloody body down the hall after she slit his throat. she probably put him in the shower in an attempt to clean up.

i think the all fours part and the going quiet was right before she slit his throat.

I don't see it that way. Small caliber weapon, no exit wound. There would be little bleeding out of the head. Remember that the whole thing was over within like 2 minutes. Once she slit his throat, that's when the blood really comes out.

like

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/01/22/what-really-killed-travis-alexander

http://mindhacks.com/2012/06/09/a-shot-to-the-head/

I'll go with Dr. Terry's theory over Dr. Horn. It doesn't matter what the order is really but I'm going with shot first.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I'll never understand why a convicted murderer, especially one that is given the death sentence, is put on suicide watch in prison.

Makes sense to me. The justice system has taken that freedom from her.

Yet that very system says reasonable steps should be taken to prevent her suicide.

The case you linked earlier seems to address those that have psychological issues. I, for one, do not believe that a person doomed to die in prison who chooses to commit suicide has psychological issues. Just the opposite. I see that as probably the sanest thing they could do. Why put up with 20 years of misery only to die? Any sane person would rather just go directly to death, do not pass the shower rape line, do not collect STDs.

Well, the law and the 8th amendment disagree with you.

The 8th amendment doesn't disagree. Someone's interpretation of the 8th amendment disagrees.

That someone being binding legal authority. I'm not referencing my own interpretation here. I'm referencing caselaw - which is what would be applied in the situation and backs my initial "yes" answer.

So you agree that it's case law that requires we prevent suicides in prison not the 8th amendment. Glad we got that worked out.

:sigh:

No, I don't agree. Do you agree that you lack a fundamental understanding of what "caselaw" means?

Does case law = constitutional amendment?

We have an UNALIENABLE right to life. Therefore, we don't have the right to take a life, even our own.

 

[lod01]

We have an UNALIENABLE right to life. Therefore, we don't have the right to take a life, even our own.

If you are sentenced to death and you request immediate execution of sentence, are you taking your own life? I say no. I have more respect for the person who says lets get it over with than the one that continually files appeals trying to stay alive and is obviously guilty.

Who is more mental? The one rotting away in prison with no chance of getting out while fighting to stay alive or the one that checks out knowing the alternative is the worst possible existence?

Everyone I have polled would rather carry out the execution on themselves than sit on death row. From that I come to the conclusion that those on death row all have brains that are malfunctioning....which obviously isn't hard to figure out.

 

[CurlyNight]

Jodi out of psych ward and back to regular jail..

 

[CurlyNight]

So jodi and attnys in closed hearing today. Hope it's to say skip the next 2 steps and just give me the death sentence. Tomorrow is the aggravation phase...

 

[Zow]

So the facility she is now in the psych ward has more relaxed security. She has a tv in her room, is able to have visitors come and go, gets out more for exercise... much nicer than where she was. Apparently last year an inmate from that psych ward escaped through the roof and was spotted in downtown Phoenix. Wonder if she knows that. Her meltdown seems to be serving her better now.

Name of facilty?

Lower Buckeye Jail

Okay, so she was still in the jail itself - just in the psych area of the Lower Buckeye Jail. That still operates the same as a regular jail. And, assuming she was previously in Estrella jail, LBJ actually has higher security than her previous facility and is not nearly as "nice" as Estrella.

Stop listening to whatever news outlet or sources you get your info.

 

[Zow]

We have an UNALIENABLE right to life. Therefore, we don't have the right to take a life, even our own.

If you are sentenced to death and you request immediate execution of sentence, are you taking your own life? I say no. I have more respect for the person who says lets get it over with than the one that continually files appeals trying to stay alive and is obviously guilty.

Who is more mental? The one rotting away in prison with no chance of getting out while fighting to stay alive or the one that checks out knowing the alternative is the worst possible existence?

Everyone I have polled would rather carry out the execution on themselves than sit on death row. From that I come to the conclusion that those on death row all have brains that are malfunctioning....which obviously isn't hard to figure out.

And if you or your friends were a Supreme Court justice your opinion may matter.

Your premise is flawed based on the idea that there is absolutely "no chance" of ever getting out. Given our appeals process, there is always a slim chance - which may be incredibly slim, but slim nonetheless.

 

[CurlyNight]

Can Jodi do what OJ is doing and have a trial to see if she can have a new trial?

 

[Zow]

Can Jodi do what OJ is doing and have a trial to see if she can have a new trial?

Can Jodi do what OJ is doing and have a trial to see if she can have a new trial?

You mean appeal and have a hearing on that appeal? Sure, if the court find she has made an offer of proof on an issue for which relief may be granted.

 

[CurlyNight]

So who knows why there were behind a closed door meeting today but she is in solitary confinement now. They seem to feel she disrupts/manipulates other prisoners..

 

[DougGlatt]

Already on closing arguments for this phase. That was quick.

 

[lod01]

We have an UNALIENABLE right to life. Therefore, we don't have the right to take a life, even our own.

If you are sentenced to death and you request immediate execution of sentence, are you taking your own life? I say no. I have more respect for the person who says lets get it over with than the one that continually files appeals trying to stay alive and is obviously guilty.

Who is more mental? The one rotting away in prison with no chance of getting out while fighting to stay alive or the one that checks out knowing the alternative is the worst possible existence?

Everyone I have polled would rather carry out the execution on themselves than sit on death row. From that I come to the conclusion that those on death row all have brains that are malfunctioning....which obviously isn't hard to figure out.

And if you or your friends were a Supreme Court justice your opinion may matter.

Your premise is flawed based on the idea that there is absolutely "no chance" of ever getting out. Given our appeals process, there is always a slim chance - which may be incredibly slim, but slim nonetheless.

Is there not a point in time when you have exhasuted all your appeals? I'm no lawyer so i don't know but thought I had read that. If true, what about then? Why stick around then? Hope for a large asteroid to hit nearby, crack the walls of the prison while knocking all the guards out and you can escape? Is it that level of hope?

 

[Norman Paperman]

We have an UNALIENABLE right to life. Therefore, we don't have the right to take a life, even our own.

If you are sentenced to death and you request immediate execution of sentence, are you taking your own life? I say no. I have more respect for the person who says lets get it over with than the one that continually files appeals trying to stay alive and is obviously guilty.

Who is more mental? The one rotting away in prison with no chance of getting out while fighting to stay alive or the one that checks out knowing the alternative is the worst possible existence?

Everyone I have polled would rather carry out the execution on themselves than sit on death row. From that I come to the conclusion that those on death row all have brains that are malfunctioning....which obviously isn't hard to figure out.

And if you or your friends were a Supreme Court justice your opinion may matter.

Your premise is flawed based on the idea that there is absolutely "no chance" of ever getting out. Given our appeals process, there is always a slim chance - which may be incredibly slim, but slim nonetheless.

Is there not a point in time when you have exhasuted all your appeals? I'm no lawyer so i don't know but thought I had read that. If true, what about then? Why stick around then? Hope for a large asteroid to hit nearby, crack the walls of the prison while knocking all the guards out and you can escape? Is it that level of hope?

States have commuted death sentences, most notably Illinois. Public policy may swing to abolishing the death penalty in the future. If you want to live, lots of reasons to not "give in".

 

[simey]

States have commuted death sentences, most notably Illinois. Public policy may swing to abolishing the death penalty in the future. If you want to live, lots of reasons to not "give in".

Maryland abolished the death penalty just two weeks ago (May 2nd). Right now there are 32 states that still allow the death penalty.

 

[CurlyNight]

So Nurmi says can't go on sympathy and emotion. They are pulling the adrenaline card mainly to say it wasn't as cruel as it seems.

 

[CurlyNight]

It was gold when Juan showed just how long 2 minutes really is. Willmott squirming in her chair during this long silence. And why are you crying Jodi? You want the death penalty and it looks like you will get it!