Joe Flacco - So What Changed? (1 Viewer)

[Run It Up]

You realized you just described Brady's first four years with 100 more pass attempts, right? Was Brady "steak-elite" then, or did he improve? Brady: 2001-02 New England 15 264 413 63.9 2843 189.5 6.9 18 12 2002-03 New England 16 373 601 62.1 3764 235.3 6.3 28 14 2003-04 New England 16 317 527 60.2 3620 226.3 6.9 23 12 2004-05 New England 16 288 474 60.8 3692 230.8 7.8 28 14 Flacco:2008-09 Baltimore 16 257 428 60.0 2971 6.9 14 12 2009-10 Baltimore 16 315 499 63.1 3613 7.2 21 12 2010-11 Baltimore 16 306 489 62.6 3622 7.4 25 10 2011-12 Baltimore 16 312 542 57.6 3610 6.7 20 12

17 more TDs and only 8 more ints and one less game from Brady. No big deal, just 80% of an entire flacco season better.

The point is, Brady was a static ho hum performer that improved with increased usage, better weapons, and experience to become elite. There is no reason why Flacco cannot do the same particularly if he gets more pass attempts.

No I got your point. I just think comparison is one sided and plainly just wrong. Ravens had one of the easiest run schedules in the NFL last year, which lead to an amazing year from Rice, coincidentally Flacco also threw 40 more passes than he ever has - and finished with his worst statistical year ever.Is he gonna throw the ball 600 times this year? Cause all signs point to Rice getting the same workload and everything else is just talk. Ran less than 60 plays Monday, third of them out of the no huddle. I still expect a similar year to last year, better or worse is up to Flacco's decision making.

 

[hines]

No I got your point. I just think comparison is one sided and plainly just wrong. Ravens had one of the easiest run schedules in the NFL last year, which lead to an amazing year from Rice, coincidentally Flacco also threw 40 more passes than he ever has - and finished with his worst statistical year ever.Is he gonna throw the ball 600 times this year? Cause all signs point to Rice getting the same workload and everything else is just talk. Ran less than 60 plays Monday, third of them out of the no huddle. I still expect a similar year to last year, better or worse is up to Flacco's decision making.

where are the signs that Rice will get the same workload? all the signs point to less carries for Rice and lots more passes from Flacco. 36.2% no huddle rate, 29 passes to 10 Rice carries in the opening game, the 36 passes in a half vs JAX in preseason, the new offensive coordinator opening up the offense, Ray Rice saying "the offense is Joe's first", all the writers raving about Flacco and the no-huddle. pretty much every single sign has pointed directly to what we saw on Monday night that the Ravens will play much faster leading to more plays and throw the ball much more.

 

[Warhogs]

You realized you just described Brady's first four years with 100 more pass attempts, right? Was Brady "steak-elite" then, or did he improve? Brady: 2001-02 New England 15 264 413 63.9 2843 189.5 6.9 18 12 2002-03 New England 16 373 601 62.1 3764 235.3 6.3 28 14 2003-04 New England 16 317 527 60.2 3620 226.3 6.9 23 12 2004-05 New England 16 288 474 60.8 3692 230.8 7.8 28 14 Flacco:2008-09 Baltimore 16 257 428 60.0 2971 6.9 14 12 2009-10 Baltimore 16 315 499 63.1 3613 7.2 21 12 2010-11 Baltimore 16 306 489 62.6 3622 7.4 25 10 2011-12 Baltimore 16 312 542 57.6 3610 6.7 20 12

17 more TDs and only 8 more ints and one less game from Brady. No big deal, just 80% of an entire flacco season better.

The point is, Brady was a static ho hum performer that improved with increased usage, better weapons, and experience to become elite. There is no reason why Flacco cannot do the same particularly if he gets more pass attempts.

This is what I was getting at in this thread too. While all of the top 4 QB may have had a bit different level to reach elite status 2 of the 4 (Brees and Brady) had a handful of good seasons where they were good NFL QBs but not very good fantasy options. Eli too while not reaching as high a status seems to have taken a step up after several average type seasons. The teams they were playing with eventually trusted them, gave them control of the offense, and built the team around them. I am sure there are more cases where this does not happen but the point is that you probably should not put a cap on a QB in his mid 20s because he has not broken out. That position still has opportunity for them to grow into a more elite option.

 

[Run It Up]

No I got your point. I just think comparison is one sided and plainly just wrong. Ravens had one of the easiest run schedules in the NFL last year, which lead to an amazing year from Rice, coincidentally Flacco also threw 40 more passes than he ever has - and finished with his worst statistical year ever.Is he gonna throw the ball 600 times this year? Cause all signs point to Rice getting the same workload and everything else is just talk. Ran less than 60 plays Monday, third of them out of the no huddle. I still expect a similar year to last year, better or worse is up to Flacco's decision making.

where are the signs that Rice will get the same workload? all the signs point to less carries for Rice and lots more passes from Flacco. 36.2% no huddle rate, 29 passes to 10 Rice carries in the opening game, the 36 passes in a half vs JAX in preseason, the new offensive coordinator opening up the offense, Ray Rice saying "the offense is Joe's first", all the writers raving about Flacco and the no-huddle. pretty much every single sign has pointed directly to what we saw on Monday night that the Ravens will play much faster leading to more plays and throw the ball much more.

Because they have been saying all offseason that Rice will probably get more touches and they are going to run him into the ground. Rices reduced snap count came from being removed from the game.

Ravens OC Cam Cameron insists Ray Rice's touches will not decrease if the offense moves to more of a no-huddle, pass-heavy attack."Absolutely not," Cameron said. "It has nothing to do with touches for Ray. Ray, we know, is one of our best players ... The bottom line is that he's always a huge part of what we're doing and we're always looking to see how people are defending him to see how we can continue to get him the ball in space." We suspect Rice will make up for whatever carries he loses by countering with an increase in targets. Aug 28 - 7:29 PM

Ravens running backs coach Wilbert Montgomery indicated that the team will make no attempt to conserve Ray Rice."You don't buy a new car and put it in the driveway and just park it in the garage," Montgomery said. "You buy it, you drive it. If you wear the wheels off, you go out and get another one. So, Ray carrying 300 times, I'm looking for the next Ray Rice after that." Rice touched the ball 367 times during the 2011 regular season and arguably has less competition for snaps in 2012. He sits at No. 4 in Rotoworld's running back rankings. Aug 20 - 10:16 PM

 

[hines]

No I got your point. I just think comparison is one sided and plainly just wrong. Ravens had one of the easiest run schedules in the NFL last year, which lead to an amazing year from Rice, coincidentally Flacco also threw 40 more passes than he ever has - and finished with his worst statistical year ever.Is he gonna throw the ball 600 times this year? Cause all signs point to Rice getting the same workload and everything else is just talk. Ran less than 60 plays Monday, third of them out of the no huddle. I still expect a similar year to last year, better or worse is up to Flacco's decision making.

where are the signs that Rice will get the same workload? all the signs point to less carries for Rice and lots more passes from Flacco. 36.2% no huddle rate, 29 passes to 10 Rice carries in the opening game, the 36 passes in a half vs JAX in preseason, the new offensive coordinator opening up the offense, Ray Rice saying "the offense is Joe's first", all the writers raving about Flacco and the no-huddle. pretty much every single sign has pointed directly to what we saw on Monday night that the Ravens will play much faster leading to more plays and throw the ball much more.

Because they have been saying all offseason that Rice will probably get more touches and they are going to run him into the ground. Rices reduced snap count came from being removed from the game.

Ravens OC Cam Cameron insists Ray Rice's touches will not decrease if the offense moves to more of a no-huddle, pass-heavy attack."Absolutely not," Cameron said. "It has nothing to do with touches for Ray. Ray, we know, is one of our best players ... The bottom line is that he's always a huge part of what we're doing and we're always looking to see how people are defending him to see how we can continue to get him the ball in space." We suspect Rice will make up for whatever carries he loses by countering with an increase in targets. Aug 28 - 7:29 PM

Ravens running backs coach Wilbert Montgomery indicated that the team will make no attempt to conserve Ray Rice."You don't buy a new car and put it in the driveway and just park it in the garage," Montgomery said. "You buy it, you drive it. If you wear the wheels off, you go out and get another one. So, Ray carrying 300 times, I'm looking for the next Ray Rice after that." Rice touched the ball 367 times during the 2011 regular season and arguably has less competition for snaps in 2012. He sits at No. 4 in Rotoworld's running back rankings. Aug 20 - 10:16 PM

they have also been saying we are going to throw more and more and have done exactly that. he still had only 10 carries compared to 29 throws so the ratio was a heavy pass attack. we have seen the Ravens all preseason and one game now, and they have been pass heavy, at what point does that matter?

 

[The_Man]

You realized you just described Brady's first four years with 100 more pass attempts, right? Was Brady "steak-elite" then, or did he improve?

Brady:

2001-02 New England 15 264 413 63.9 2843 189.5 6.9 18 12

2002-03 New England 16 373 601 62.1 3764 235.3 6.3 28 14

2003-04 New England 16 317 527 60.2 3620 226.3 6.9 23 12

2004-05 New England 16 288 474 60.8 3692 230.8 7.8 28 14

Flacco:

2008-09 Baltimore 16 257 428 60.0 2971 6.9 14 12

2009-10 Baltimore 16 315 499 63.1 3613 7.2 21 12

2010-11 Baltimore 16 306 489 62.6 3622 7.4 25 10

2011-12 Baltimore 16 312 542 57.6 3610 6.7 20 12

17 more TDs and only 8 more ints and one less game from Brady. No big deal, just 80% of an entire flacco season better.

The point is, Brady was a static ho hum performer that improved with increased usage, better weapons, and experience to become elite. There is no reason why Flacco cannot do the same particularly if he gets more pass attempts.

No I got your point. I just think comparison is one sided and plainly just wrong. Ravens had one of the easiest run schedules in the NFL last year, which lead to an amazing year from Rice, coincidentally Flacco also threw 40 more passes than he ever has - and finished with his worst statistical year ever.Is he gonna throw the ball 600 times this year? Cause all signs point to Rice getting the same workload and everything else is just talk. Ran less than 60 plays Monday, third of them out of the no huddle. I still expect a similar year to last year, better or worse is up to Flacco's decision making.

Completely untrue. They had 7 games vs. Top 10 run defenses, and 9 vs. teams in the top half of the NFL. Only 5 games vs. rush defenses in the Bottom 10.They also played 12 games vs. teams ranked in the Top 10 defenses overall.

 

[Run It Up]

You realized you just described Brady's first four years with 100 more pass attempts, right? Was Brady "steak-elite" then, or did he improve?

Brady:

2001-02 New England 15 264 413 63.9 2843 189.5 6.9 18 12

2002-03 New England 16 373 601 62.1 3764 235.3 6.3 28 14

2003-04 New England 16 317 527 60.2 3620 226.3 6.9 23 12

2004-05 New England 16 288 474 60.8 3692 230.8 7.8 28 14

Flacco:

2008-09 Baltimore 16 257 428 60.0 2971 6.9 14 12

2009-10 Baltimore 16 315 499 63.1 3613 7.2 21 12

2010-11 Baltimore 16 306 489 62.6 3622 7.4 25 10

2011-12 Baltimore 16 312 542 57.6 3610 6.7 20 12

17 more TDs and only 8 more ints and one less game from Brady. No big deal, just 80% of an entire flacco season better.

The point is, Brady was a static ho hum performer that improved with increased usage, better weapons, and experience to become elite. There is no reason why Flacco cannot do the same particularly if he gets more pass attempts.

No I got your point. I just think comparison is one sided and plainly just wrong. Ravens had one of the easiest run schedules in the NFL last year, which lead to an amazing year from Rice, coincidentally Flacco also threw 40 more passes than he ever has - and finished with his worst statistical year ever.Is he gonna throw the ball 600 times this year? Cause all signs point to Rice getting the same workload and everything else is just talk. Ran less than 60 plays Monday, third of them out of the no huddle. I still expect a similar year to last year, better or worse is up to Flacco's decision making.

Completely untrue. They had 7 games vs. Top 10 run defenses, and 9 vs. teams in the top half of the NFL. Only 5 games vs. rush defenses in the Bottom 10.They also played 12 games vs. teams ranked in the Top 10 defenses overall.

And of those teams how many had good offenses? Defense arent the only thing that contribute to numbers.There was more than one reason Ray Rice shot up the draft boards last year, Ravens strength of schedule was tied for 32nd (easiest).

 

[Sinn Fein]

This Flacco kid is pretty good.

 

[eurotrashman]

This Flacco kid is pretty good.