Can you elaborate? Big how? And to who? I think I understand but wondering what you thought.the issue of Taiwan is pretty damn big to a lot of people.
The issue of Taiwanese independence.Can you elaborate? Big how? And to who? I think I understand but wondering what you thought.
Saw the headline and just assumed the apology was for this reason.follow the money John Cena.
"Fast and Furious 9" earned $135 million at the China box office over the weekend.
It suggests there's hope for Hollywood movies in the region after local films dominated during the pandemic.
China's box office has dethroned the US as the biggest in the world.
Everyone grovels to the power of the almighty dollar. Everyone.American celebs groveling in front of China. Get used to it.
First, no that's not true.Everyone grovels to the power of the almighty dollar. Everyone.
Your last paragraph seems to be making my argument for me. They are doing that for the money. Again groveling to the almighty dollar.First, no that's not true.
Second, this is a bit different. I really couldn't care less if a wrestler guy from a car-smashy movie series has to grovel to a strong-arm government in order to ensure the next movie isn't banned there, but it's noteworthy.
The NBA players that suddenly didn't have interest in social justice when it was Hong Kong is another example. (see: LeBron+China)
The guy wants to make his millions and the chinese love their action moviesCan you elaborate? Big how? And to who? I think I understand but wondering what you thought.
His Make a Wish work earns a pass from meCena seems like a really good dude so it was a little disappointing to see this. But I'm sure he was getting a TON of #### from the studio.
No doubt it’s about not pissing off people who put money in his pocket.follow the money John Cena.
"Fast and Furious 9" earned $135 million at the China box office over the weekend.
It suggests there's hope for Hollywood movies in the region after local films dominated during the pandemic.
China's box office has dethroned the US as the biggest in the world.
Exactly. The dude is a MAW machine.His Make a Wish work earns a pass from me
I'm not asking an actor to stand up to China.His Make a Wish work earns a pass from me
what would you tank your career to speak out against?I'm not asking an actor to stand up to China.
I think no less of Cena at all. This is his career. I'm not potentially tanking MY career to speak out against China, why should he?
People are real cavalier with other people's money/long term career risk.
Something my 'speaking out' could affect.what would you tank your career to speak out against?
As always - follow the money.American celebs groveling in front of China. Get used to it.
I think it's more nuanced though. There's a lot of gray area there. Both on the groveling and the dollars.Everyone grovels to the power of the almighty dollar. Everyone.
This isn't something I care about much. However the US and most of the other nations of the world have a "1 China" policy. That means they recognize that Taiwan is part of China. Obviously this is at odds with reality but ever since Mao won the Chinese Civil War the US has only recognized 1 China. Until 1979 it was the ROC but then we switched to the PRC. It's both parties too, Reagan, Bush I, Bush II and Trump all had the chance to change the policy as well as the Democratic Presidents and AFAIK none of them ever tried to.Can you elaborate? Big how? And to who? I think I understand but wondering what you thought.
Sure, most everything is. But boiled down it it’s core, it’s money and often is.I think it's more nuanced though. There's a lot of gray area there. Both on the groveling and the dollars.
If he was licking Trump's boot instead of Winnie the Pooh's, I'll bet you wouldn't consider it faux outrage.Just another cog in the faux outrage machine.
Yeah, I probably would. I am not as partisan as you seem to think.If he was licking Trump's boot instead of Winnie the Pooh's, I'll bet you wouldn't consider it faux outrage.
It’s faux outrage. Sorry.More specifically, if you consider yourself a liberal of any flavor, China is the antithesis of everything you stand for. You'd be sent to reeducation upon arrival if you moved there. But it's faux outrage that they leaned on an American actor to apologize for acknowledging reality? That's really weird.
I get that...but think people realize that making change here vs China is much easier.Not necessarily a knock on Cena, guy seems to be about getting paid and is hardly a social justice warrior.
That said, I hate the inconsistency of those that get involved in lots of social issues but won't rock the boat if it might cost them personally at all.
Technically I was born in the only place in this county to successfully secede from the country.The overuse of the word faux reminds me of the other discussion about denier. Its a word used to try to belittle or de-legitimize someone's input.
Sinn Fein, you are a faux American sir.
Do you have an example of any US exec that does business in China who ever made a similar comment that didn't apologize? I'm not sure any of them have for the last 40 years and if they did they probably got fired.More specifically, if you consider yourself a liberal of any flavor, China is the antithesis of everything you stand for. You'd be sent to reeducation upon arrival if you moved there. But it's faux outrage that they leaned on an American actor to apologize for acknowledging reality? That's really weird.
I'd say that people realize that support for change here (faux support and real support) is certainly less costly and likely profitable. Any change is profitable change today.I get that...but think people realize that making change here vs China is much easier.
Who is apologizing for China?The number of Chinese apologists in this forum amazes me.
Apologist - A person who argues in defense or justification of something, such as a doctrine, policy, or institution.Who is apologizing for China?
And, once again, who is in this forum are Chinese apologists?Apologist - A person who argues in defense or justification of something, such as a doctrine, policy, or institution.
That means you don't fight for the rights of every man.Technically I was born in the only place in this county to successfully secede from the country.
I suppose that makes me a faux American.
Huh? He does shows for paying customers.That's how entertainment be. Capitalism at its finest. That's why Mr. McMahon and the WWE will do special shows for the Saudi Royals.
Lets be fair though...when our past Presidents own daughter (and important member of his governing inner circle) deals with China on a personal basis....the average American is going to question as to whether or not our leaders are serious or are they just trying to score political talking points while lining their own pockets.Honestly apologizing is ok, we do business with China. The only problem I have with it is that he’s apologizing for being right. But I have no interest in singling out Cena in this case.
I’m personally more concerned with overall US citizens (particularly younger gens) ignorance and acceptance of China and the blurring of China the country and US citizens of Chinese descent to provide China the country with a political shield.
How about when our current presidents own son. And personal bag man. Holding money for the "big guy".Lets be fair though...when our past Presidents own daughter (and important member of his governing inner circle) deals with China on a personal basis....the average American is going to question as to whether or not our leaders are serious or are they just trying to score political talking points while lining their own pockets.
Yeah...capitalism at its finest. Mr. McMahon does shows for the Saudis.Huh? He does shows for paying customers.