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Martz uses TE to block mostly.Olsen, as a featured H back, will line up anywhere - in the slot, motioned out of the backfield, whatevs.
5'11" and 190 lbs is the prototype size for a wr?Ok, lets look at the definition of journeyman:"any experienced, competent but routine worker or performer."Ok, debate otherwise then. His career is that of a journeyman NFL player and he's not an overly skilled WR.Far from it.Knox has way more upside and has accomplished just as much in the NFL. Aromashodu is the epitome of NFL journeyman.Aromashodu is the best WR on the Bears. It doesn't matter who's the split end, who's the flanker, and who's in the slot. The slot can lead the team in receptions in a Mike Martz offense (see: Mike Furrey, 2006).
Knox and Hester both have more big-play ability. But Aromashodu runs the best patterns and has the best hands. He's going to be Cutler's security blanket. Mark it down.
He had 22 receptions for 282 yards and 4 tds his last 4 games of last year. 2009 was his first chance at actually playing in an NFL regular season game. He shined when he was given the chance to. That many receptions in a 4 game period shows that Cutler had the confidence in him to keep throwing it his way. He's 26, an age when WRs are proven to hit their primes.
He has prototype size for a NFL WR. Take a look at the beginning of Joe Horn's career, a very comparable player.
Joe Horn had 53 catches for 879 yards his first four years in the NFL, only to develop into a 4 time pro bowler with the Saints. Of course this isn't the norm, but prototype size and speed is the first thing I look at when evaluating whether or not a WR can shine, Devin has this and now he has the opportunity in a Mike Martz system.
Writing Aromashodu off as a journeyman at the age of 26 is your loss.
So basically your argument is that he has good size and that Joe Horn ended up developing into a pro bowler. Size is not a skill and Joe Horn was one in a 100. I'll say it again, Aromashadu is the epitome of an NFL journeyman. His career reads verbatim the deffenition of a journeyman. With that said, me, nor anybody else is writing him off. He's just not "easily the most talented WR on the team".Ok, lets look at the definition of journeyman:"any experienced, competent but routine worker or performer."Ok, debate otherwise then. His career is that of a journeyman NFL player and he's not an overly skilled WR.Far from it.Knox has way more upside and has accomplished just as much in the NFL. Aromashodu is the epitome of NFL journeyman.Aromashodu is the best WR on the Bears. It doesn't matter who's the split end, who's the flanker, and who's in the slot. The slot can lead the team in receptions in a Mike Martz offense (see: Mike Furrey, 2006).
Knox and Hester both have more big-play ability. But Aromashodu runs the best patterns and has the best hands. He's going to be Cutler's security blanket. Mark it down.
He had 22 receptions for 282 yards and 4 tds his last 4 games of last year. 2009 was his first chance at actually playing in an NFL regular season game. He shined when he was given the chance to. That many receptions in a 4 game period shows that Cutler had the confidence in him to keep throwing it his way. He's 26, an age when WRs are proven to hit their primes.
He has prototype size for a NFL WR. Take a look at the beginning of Joe Horn's career, a very comparable player.
Joe Horn had 53 catches for 879 yards his first four years in the NFL, only to develop into a 4 time pro bowler with the Saints. Of course this isn't the norm, but prototype size and speed is the first thing I look at when evaluating whether or not a WR can shine, Devin has this and now he has the opportunity in a Mike Martz system.
Writing Aromashodu off as a journeyman at the age of 26 is your loss.
Why would you bring in a coordinator that historically gets little production out of TEs if your TE is such a special player? I like Olsen, but I'm not going to ignore Martz' history. I'm not saying Olsen will suck. I expect a little less than what he produced last year. It's just tough to expect a Martz TE to get over 50 catches....in spite of all the nice things everyone says in July/August.
I just don't understand how a player still in the developmental stages of his career can be labeled a "journeyman". This term is generally reserved for players past their prime or who have been given an opportunity and failed with it. He is just entering his prime. It's not like he was ever given a chance to perform on any of those other teams. A journeyman is what you see, what you get. I never claimed he is easily the most talented WR on the team, my claim was that "journeyman" status is absurd.
Drafted in 2006 and stints with
olphinsColtsTexansRedskinsBearsSounds like a journeyman to me, and actually "journeyman" might be a bit generous.My bad...combining too many trains of thought in my mind and confusing one Bears wr named Devin with the other. Aromashodu does have the size/speed you look for in a wr. Seriously, I'm an idiot.
Now that I'm caught up, Aromashodu does have good measurables. I wouldn't call him a prototype...I think that is something around 6'4" and 225 lbs (Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Terrell Owens) However, it is difficult to ignore that he was a 7th rd pick that is now on his 5th team. He has done less in his career than Knox did in his rookie year. At THIS point, DA is a journeyman. However, he is the type that should not be written off because, as you noted, he has the physical skills and opportunity to now become something more. I wouldn't be too optimistic...there is likely a reason 4 other teams gave up on him, but the #2 receiver (I know, some say he can be #1, some say 3 or 4) in an offense that figures to put up over 4,000 passing yards and 30ish passing tds is intriguing.I suppose there are differing definitions or interpretations of what exactly a journeyman is. TO has played for several teams, but he's always been a featured starter if not the focal point of the offense, so I don't consider him a journeyman. However, any player that has played for more than 2 teams in which he was not at least a regular starter I probably would consider to be a journeyman. Even some regular starters I might consider to be journeymen if teams never seem to want to commit to the players for more than a few years.
Anticipating Martz's impact on the various receivers is the key. I agree on the likely Knox uptick and Bennett downgrade, but I admit I'm throwing darts when it comes to Hester and DA. If Hester assumes a consistent slot role, which my untrained eye thinks is his best fit, then I think DA could be right there with Knox.
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Look, it's one thing to speculate on stats from player to player. They're always in different systems, different coaches, different everything. So basing arguments on past stat's is a swiss cheese tool that we use because it's the best we have.
I think Knox is the clear #1, yes, but I would probably have Hester as #2, since he is technically starting, while Aromashodu only comes in on 3 wide sets. It's possible that Aromashodu could outperform Hester with fewer snaps, but it's probably not super likely. If Aromashodu were to be moved to a starting position in place of Hester, that could change, but regardless, I think Hester and Aromashodu are probably not guys you want to be starting consistently in all but very deep leagues. Knox is a great #3 with huge upside, and Hester and Aromashodu will probably negate each others fantasy value.
So he will be on the field 90% of the time.
I love pancakes and rofls. ThanksLook, it's one thing to speculate on stats from player to player. They're always in different systems, different coaches, different everything. So basing arguments on past stat's is a swiss cheese tool that we use because it's the best we have.
However, every single one of Martz's offenses all have two things in common :
1) The TE is always mediocre fantasy wise.
2) Martz is the HC/OC.
Regardless of anything else, the one common denominator that you CAN pinpoint that is the same amongst every team he's been on which is himself. I heard the same crap when he was in San Fran. Never had a specimen quite like Vernon. Blah blah blah. Olson will struggle this year to get attention. It's that simple.
I grew up in Missouri, the Show-Me state. And it comes in handy in cases like this. Dont tell me what you're going to do, show me what you've done.
No worries man, it's that time of year again. Information overload.My bad...combining too many trains of thought in my mind and confusing one Bears wr named Devin with the other. Aromashodu does have the size/speed you look for in a wr. Seriously, I'm an idiot. :( Now that I'm caught up, Aromashodu does have good measurables. I wouldn't call him a prototype...I think that is something around 6'4" and 225 lbs (Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Terrell Owens) However, it is difficult to ignore that he was a 7th rd pick that is now on his 5th team. He has done less in his career than Knox did in his rookie year. At THIS point, DA is a journeyman. However, he is the type that should not be written off because, as you noted, he has the physical skills and opportunity to now become something more. I wouldn't be too optimistic...there is likely a reason 4 other teams gave up on him, but the #2 receiver (I know, some say he can be #1, some say 3 or 4) in an offense that figures to put up over 4,000 passing yards and 30ish passing tds is intriguing.
Over the line!!!!!Sorry, just had to.
Olsen had 5 targets (3 receptions) in the 2nd exhibition, but didn't have any catches in the other two games.Overall it seems like Aromashodu/Hester/Knox have had similar targets/receptions stats in the 3 games (think they have 6/5/6 catches).
I think that's a bit of an overstatement. All three TEs get snaps with the first team, and I don't believe the Bears were 3 wide 90% of the time so far in the preseason. Regardless, Aromashodu will simply not be on the field as much as Hester barring a change in the depth chart. Since we're talking about WRs that are going to be 3rd or 4th option in the offense, it's hard to fault someone for maybe giving the guy with more snaps a slight edge. Either way, they're still going to be the #3 option...
and the sacks, don't forget about the sacks.
cutler is very underrated too.regardless, imo, all bears wr are great value at their adp. good chance that 2 of them are well worth owning. ill gladly take that risk in rounds 7-11.
surprised that hester has that reputation considering the strides he made as a wr, basically starting from scratch, over a 3 yr period.
Walter, ya know, it's Smokey, so his toe slipped over the line a little, big deal. It's just a game, man. Dude, this is a league game, this determines who enters the next round robin. Am I wrong? Am I wrong?
How long do you figure it should take? Didn't somebody just mention Mike Furrey? You could play a drinking game involving Hester running around presnap trying to figure out where he should be... and thats 3 years in. He just doesnt have the brain power to understand the systems (probably doesn't help that they keep changing).
Is this the guys that couldn't win a spot on the sideline his rookie year and then scored 2 tds last season? If he's their best, they are in bigger trouble than we think. Bennett is a bust. He doesn't do anything particularly well, and he certainly doesn't have any stand out athleticism to get by on.
well, ppl like to say that there is a big adjustment from college to the pros at wr. usually takes 2-3 yrs even for high draft picks. and thats guys who have played wr their whole lives. not really sure why you mention furrey, he played wr for 4 yrs of college then like 5 yrs of nfl. doesnt really matter as there are always exceptions.
Not getting PT his rookie year means nothing with this idiot staff. You trust any of them to recognize talent? I sure as hell don't.Yea, I watched every game last year and he was their best receiver. Adequate speed, good blocker, and most importantly, by far the best hands. Anytime Cutler needed to make a big play he went to Bennett and Bennett came through. Aren't you supposed to be a Bears fan? Did you watch last year?
Indeed. Aside from Knox and a few flashes from Aromashodu in garbage time there wasn't anything to suggest any potential for an NFL caliber WR on the team. What have you ever seen from Bennett that suggests even a mediocre DB wouldn't make him disappear? And he was another one that never seemed to know where he was supposed to be. I agree this organization has no clue what to do with rookies... but Bennett was drafted because he was supposed to be game ready and he has to date still never looked game ready. Yeah, he can make a tough catch on occasion, but finding a guy that can give you 3 catches a game for 43 yards is supposed to be tough?
Like Juquan Iglesias :X 3 for 43 is a big game for a Bear receiver. Im not saying Bennett is an elite wr, just solid and most importantly, reliable, which I don't see from Knox, Hester or Aroma.
A bust? He was drafted in the 3rd round 2 years ago. "Bust" is a little much. He's pretty average for most WR's drafted in the 3rd round. As someone else said, I wouldn't put too much weight into Lovie not letting him even get on the field as a rookie. Their offense was terrible, and you're telling me Lovie didn't even let him play any. I was once behind Lovie, but his ignorance has won out at this point. I don't care what a rookie does. You let a 3rd round wr on the field at least some. Lovie's an idiotmbuehner said:
I get the stance about Bennett being reliable, but it seemed he never could separation. What I thought odd ws the statement that you felt Aromashadu wasn't reliable?? I never felt that from him watching him play....Curious as to why you think that?RBM said:Like Juquan Iglesias3 for 43 is a big game for a Bear receiver. Im not saying Bennett is an elite wr, just solid and most importantly, reliable, which I don't see from Knox, Hester or Aroma.
Ya know what, to be fair to him he shouldn't be lumped in with the others. The games he played in he was outstanding.
I don't think that matters much. It didn't help David Terrell when he was on the Pats in 2005.
Daniel Manning is the primary kickoff returner.Devin Hester is the primary punt returner.
Yeah, I guess we all learned our lesson after hearing it 4,000 times last summer.
