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Joique Bell - Undervalued? (1 Viewer)

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With the Ameer bandwagon thread running wild, and Bell's rankings slipping further and further, is it safe to say there's a good chance he's being severely undervalued? While I do not deny Ameer's abilities and have high expectations for him, I think the fantasy world is overdoing the rankings a bit for someone who is still very young in their career, and I expect Bell to have a very good shot at overperforming based on his current rankings.

 
I dunno. Joquie is coming off achillies surgery and knee surgery IIRC. With as good as Ameer has looked, it's just hard to think Joquie will be a big factor this year.

 
Sometimes you can just see the changing of the guard and this is it. I'm not an Abdullah owner and I actually asked about him in his thread about "is this too much hype too soon", but compared to Bell, I think it is clear this team is going in a new direction and the route doesn't include Bell Blvd.

 
In a recent 8 team (start 2QB, 3RB, 4WR) draft I took Abdullah with pick 51 and Bell with pick 142.

I actually had no intention of drafting Bell, but when he slid that far I grabbed him.

 
While I think Abdullah is clearly the favorite to be the better fantasy producer of the two, I do think Bell's stock has slipped to the point where he is good value where he is being taken.

 
everything depends on how Bell performs when he comes back. The longer it takes and the less you hear about his status the less confident I'd be about inheriting a role when he returns. So to me regardless of his price I probably would pass on him and snag someone else until I hear some kind of positive news or time frame on his return.

 
I wanted to add Joique Bell in my auction/rookie draft league after drafting Abdullah in the rookie draft but Joique went for $17 ($150 team salary cap). I couldn't see spending 11-12% of my cap on him.

 
Jordan Cable@theCableman32 /theCableman32/status/637622977467551747

@SigmundBloom Should Joique Bell owners be worried?

　

Sigmund Bloom @SigmundBloom 4h4 hours ago

Sigmund Bloom retweeted Jordan Cable

Worry was one month ago. I would say panic is the answer today

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Bracie Smathers said:
Jordan Cable@theCableman32 /theCableman32/status/637622977467551747

@SigmundBloom Should Joique Bell owners be worried?

　

Sigmund Bloom @SigmundBloom 4h4 hours ago

Sigmund Bloom retweeted Jordan Cable

Worry was one month ago. I would say panic is the answer today

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Exactly, worried was when AA went off in the preseason which wasn't that much of a surprise. Panic should have set in when Zenner started playing so well. Zenner is younger, cheaper, and is looking more and more like he may be able to rush for 4y/c which seems out of reach of Bell before multiple surgeries. I thought it was crazy so many expert lists had Bell so high for so long.

 
Bell is officially dead in fantasy. Just my eyes and gut speaking after watching Zenner's preseason snaps and productivity.

 
I can't see any reason to draft Bell and haven't for quite a while. A lot of risk and not enough possible upside to justify that risk. You could easily get that kind of production somewhere else.

 
Dr. Jene got new information on Joique that 'could' change the perception on his injury/recovery.

Dr. Jene was concerned with an achilles injury because that was the injury that was reported however Joique had surgery in January for microfracture surgery on his knee from this Twitter exchange and it seems to be information that Dr. Jene was not aware of and he has updated his information on Joquie.

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Dave Birkett‏@davebirkett 5h5 hours ago

Fantasy draft today? Joique Bell dropped this Sat: "This is my 1st year really (I'm) going to be carrying the load"

Jene Bramel ‏@JeneBramel 5h5 hours ago

@davebirkett Any whispers about microfracture, Dave? Do you know how early this offseason Bell's surgery was?

Dave Birkett ‏@davebirkett 5h5 hours ago

@JeneBramel I was told & thus reported back in January he had minor surgery to clean up his knee and Achilles. Obviously much more than that

Jene Bramel ‏@JeneBramel 5h5 hours ago

@davebirkett Thanks very much, Dave. I must've missed earlier report. I've been more worried about Achilles recovery. Appreciate the reply.

Dave Birkett ‏@davebirkett 5h5 hours ago

@JeneBramel no problem. Achilles is why my antenna wasn't raised earlier too but knee has definitely been the bigger issue

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Dr. Jene just posted this update.

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=15bramel_injury_value_draft

joique bell | achilles / knee surgeryADP71 | RB29 | After 7th Round

The Lions can say Bell is close to returning and beat writers can report Bell will regain his starting job when he returns. But we're well into the "believe it when you see it" territory with Bell. While his knee and Achilles surgeries are said to have been minor, it's the Achilles that concerns me. Removing calcium deposits from the tendon or repairing frayed portions of the tendon are minor compared to repairing a partial or completely torn tendon. But no Achilles surgery is minor. We've heard Bell has looked good in rehab this month, but if the team was comfortable with his progress he'd have been moved to the active roster by now.

30 Aug: Dave Birkett of the Detroit Free Press posted a feature today with some additional information on Bell. Of note, Bell's January knee surgery was to address a condition he played through in 2014 and had been "nagging him for years." Birkett also reports the surgeon said that if Bell was able to run by July, he'd have a shot to play in Week 1. Those two notes strongly suggest a microfracture procedure and that it's the knee holding Bell back rather than a slow recovery from Achilles surgery. Target recovery for microfracture knee surgery is usually in the 8-9 month range, but every recovery is different. Bell has been aggressively rehabbing this month, but the Lions have yet to move him to the active roster. It's hard to know just how close Bell is to gaining clearance for contact. If I'm right and Bell had microfracture surgery, recovery to effectiveness is possible but not guaranteed and it's tough to see him ready for a full workload early in the season if he's still not ready for the active roster two weeks before Week 1.

Draft Recommendation: The Lions don't have to decide on Bell for another few days, but it's hard to see him taking a lead committee role (or more) when he hasn't been cleared for contact two weeks before the first regular season game. I wouldn't draft Bell until I had three running backs I felt good about rostered already. With my suspicions of microfracture surgery, the above hasn't changed. I'd draft Bell only when you feel his upside matches his risk.
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Even though Dr. Jene remains unchanged on his view he did not that the Detroit beat writer who tweeted out that information just put out this article today that seems to hint Joique may return soon.

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/2015/08/30/detroit-lions-joique-bell/71415286/

Lions' Bell says he's close to returning​

Dave Birkett, Detroit Free Press 12:31 p.m. EDT August 30, 2015​

Joique Bell bounced around the NFL his first few years, making pit stops in Buffalo, Philadelphia, Indianapolis and New Orleans before finding a home in Detroit.

When Bell, who grew up in Benton Harbor and played collegiately at Wayne State, signed his first contract with the Lions in the winter of 2011, he said he planned to stay long enough to retire in his adoptive city.

"That's still my plan," Bell said Saturday, albeit one he doesn't think he'll be needing anytime soon.

Bell has spent all of training camp on the physically unable to perform list after off-season surgery to fix a knee problem that's nagged him for years, but the running back said Saturday he's close to returning – he should come off PUP this week – and still has plenty of football left in his 29-year-old body.

"I'm a young buck," Bell said. "If you want to be honest, this is my first year really (where I am) going to be carrying the load, so you can kind of consider me a rookie."

Bell, who played through his knee problems but missed one game with a brain injury last year, led the Lions with 860 yards rushing and seven touchdowns in 2014, when he shouldered the bulk of the workload in the Lions' backfield with Reggie Bush slowed by ankle injuries.

Bush is gone now, and the Lions drafted Ameer Abdullah as his replacement, but Bell is the only proven commodity among Lions running backs having amassed more than 1,500 yards and 15 touchdowns the last two seasons.

Lions coach Jim Caldwell hinted that Bell will be ready for the team's regular-season opener Sept. 13 against the San Diego Chargers when asked about the running back's rehab on Saturday.

"We have a good sense of that and it's just a matter of him coming along the rest of the way," Caldwell said. "But, being honest with you, both (Bell and injured defensive tackle Haloti Ngata) look really good and both guys are in good shape right now."

Bell said doctors told him in June that if he was running by the end of July he'd be in good shape to play Week 1. He hit that milestone, and has ramped up his return-to-play workouts in recent weeks.

"I feel the exact same way that Coach Caldwell feels, I'm getting close," he said.

So what should the expectations be for Bell once he gets back on the field?

"I'm not going to say I'm ready to go out there and take every play and run every down right now," he said. "But you never know how I feel in two weeks."
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http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2015/09/joique_bell_still_the_lions_no.html

Joique Bell still the Lions' No. 1 tailback after injury​

By Kyle Meinke | kmeinke@mlive.com MLive.com
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on September 01, 2015 at 4:59 AM​

ALLEN PARK — Zach Zenner is the hot new thing in the Detroit Lions backfield. Ameer Abdullah just might have the most raw talent.

But here's your friendly reminder that Joique Bell remains the Lions' No. 1 tailback — for now, at least.

Bell was activated off the physically unable to perform list Monday, and immediately returned to repping with the first-unit offense ahead of Abdullah, Zenner, Theo Riddick and George Winn. He was listed first on the depth chart, too, though he is not expected to play in Thursday's preseason finale against Buffalo...

...Coach Jim Caldwell, always one to play his hand close to the vest, says it's too early to say Bell will be his starting tailback in Week 1.

"Right now, he's just getting back," Caldwell said. "We'll see where he is. Nobody's even said he's going to be ready to go, you know, he's out there practicing. We're trying to get him there, but, you know, there's no guarantees at this point, so we'll wait and see."

Bell has some work to do to get up to speed, after missing the past eight months with the knee and Achilles injuries. He said multiple times he expected to be back for OTAs, and then later said he'd be back for the start of training camp, neither of which came close to happening.
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Sigmund Bloom ‏@SigmundBloom 32m32 minutes ago

Love Joique Bell, own in lots of dyn lgs, but he's saying weird stuff like "my mind won't let my body fail" and that he's ahead of schedule

 
In the words of the great Mike Singletary.... "Can not play with him. Can not coach with him. Can not win with him!"

 
Anybody have any insight to Bell's role Sunday? I've read articles that say he'll "carry the load" to "isn't certain that he will play".

 
I find it hard to believe he'll start, or be relevant, after missing the preseason. Guess the safe play is bench and see what happens.

 
I think Zenner will have a role on 1st and 2nd downs in an effort to keep Joique healthy, as early as this weekend. I'd avoid this mess if at all possible.

 
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I think Zenner will have a role on 1st and 2nd downs in an effort to keep Joique healthy, as early as this weekend. I'd avoid this mess if at all possible.
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Special Teamer only. It's not a sure thing he'll be active but it seems likely.

Theo and ZZ will have minimal roles.

With respect to the injuries, the achilles is a NBD procedure. Sometimes when you stretch/pull your tendon it gets a hardened area, similar to scar tissue in layman's thinking, and they removed that. It'll function better going forward, and the procedure was 8 months ago. It was a minor enough thing that they did a two for one - cleaned his knee up at the same time.

Joique has avoided OTAs, TC and contact drills up until 10 days ago. The result is he's the healthiest he's been since 2012. The idea that he was ever in danger of missing the San Diego game is unfounded.

I don't have any insight into how big his role will be on Sunday - I think game flow will matter more than health - but there's been no indication he's going to be eased back in. That is pure speculation from folks not close to the situation.

Full disclosure - I own & am starting Ameer. I don't think the drafted rookie will see more than 10-12 touches. The undrafted rookie will have zero touches barring injury.

 
It isn't just Ameer that is bringing him down. Zenner and Riddick both looked very capable in the preseason so that if Bell falters at all he could get replaced pretty easy.

 
BobbyLayne said:
mikel0254 said:
I think Zenner will have a role on 1st and 2nd downs in an effort to keep Joique healthy, as early as this weekend. I'd avoid this mess if at all possible.
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Special Teamer only. It's not a sure thing he'll be active but it seems likely.

Theo and ZZ will have minimal roles.

With respect to the injuries, the achilles is a NBD procedure. Sometimes when you stretch/pull your tendon it gets a hardened area, similar to scar tissue in layman's thinking, and they removed that. It'll function better going forward, and the procedure was 8 months ago. It was a minor enough thing that they did a two for one - cleaned his knee up at the same time.

Joique has avoided OTAs, TC and contact drills up until 10 days ago. The result is he's the healthiest he's been since 2012. The idea that he was ever in danger of missing the San Diego game is unfounded.

I don't have any insight into how big his role will be on Sunday - I think game flow will matter more than health - but there's been no indication he's going to be eased back in. That is pure speculation from folks not close to the situation.

Full disclosure - I own & am starting Ameer. I don't think the drafted rookie will see more than 10-12 touches. The undrafted rookie will have zero touches barring injury.
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1 carry already for Zenner. He'll have a role...and it'll keep Joique fresh.

 
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