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Jordan's Bulls vs the Warriors of the past 3 years (1 Viewer)

Niles Standish said:
The zone defense rules back then meant you couldn't double cover a guy who didn't have the ball.  Meaning Jordan was able to make his move before he could get doubled.  Sure a big guy was usually camped out under the basket.  But seriously watch the highlights.  I think that's probably a lot of the reason that teams were scoring around 110 ppg during Jordan's prime.  They're starting to do it again now, but average points were a lot higher during Jordan's career than in the Duncan/Kobe/LeBron era.
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Dude, this is so wrong. I have maybe missed 10 Jordan games as a Bull. If he wasn't doubled, that was an oddity. Maybe your definition of double team is different. Can you name a player who is double teamed?

 
manute bowl might have been the fourth ranked three pointer for a center but he is numero uno in this brohans heart take that to bank bigman brohan

 
Manute Bol did serious work for charity in the Sudan, where his animists and Christians were being overrun by radical Islamists and slaughtered in Islam's name. He went broke both by ex-wives and by sending money back to his native land that needed it. He was lionized in this "joking" surf rock song by another underappreciated entity, The Underground Railroad To Candyland. 

Any mention of Manute Bol gets a serious response from me. A University of Bridgeport grad, he was very serious both as an athlete and as a human. The tragedy of the Sudan is unspeakable. His pain and eventual death sad. Sorry for the serious interlude into the cheekiness (Henry points out what I've pointed out before in the exact same language -- maybe you want to listen to us -- but it's worthy)

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rockaction said:
Manute Bol did serious work for charity in the Sudan, where his animists and Christians were being overrun by radical Islamists and slaughtered in Islam's name. He went broke both by ex-wives and by sending money back to his native land that needed it. He was lionized in this "joking" surf rock song by another underappreciated entity, The Underground Railroad To Candyland. 

Any mention of Manute Bol gets a serious response from me. A University of Bridgeport grad, he was very serious both as an athlete and as a human. The tragedy of the Sudan is unspeakable. His pain and eventual death sad. Sorry for the serious interlude into the cheekiness (Henry points out what I've pointed out before in the exact same language -- maybe you want to listen to us -- but it's worthy)

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I knew probably more than most about him, but hadn't read his full story until today.  What an amazing person.

 
rockaction said:
Manute Bol did serious work for charity in the Sudan, where his animists and Christians were being overrun by radical Islamists and slaughtered in Islam's name. He went broke both by ex-wives and by sending money back to his native land that needed it. He was lionized in this "joking" surf rock song by another underappreciated entity, The Underground Railroad To Candyland. 

Any mention of Manute Bol gets a serious response from me. A University of Bridgeport grad, he was very serious both as an athlete and as a human. The tragedy of the Sudan is unspeakable. His pain and eventual death sad. Sorry for the serious interlude into the cheekiness (Henry points out what I've pointed out before in the exact same language -- maybe you want to listen to us -- but it's worthy)

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I've shared some of this here before... Manute lived the last few years of his life in the KC suburbs on the Kansas side.  He moved there because it's where the highest concentration of people in the USA from his home village in the Sudan were.  It's not like we became friends or anything, but I would see him around town - I doubt I was confusing him with the other 7'7" men in the area. So when Manute's name comes up, my flash isn't to him on the court, but to him in a suit ducking to fit through the door of a furniture store near our houses.  

Manute believed the solutions to conflict were education and health care.  If you had your mind and your health, you would be less likely to take up arms and fight in war.  Many retired pro athletes went broke buying houses and yachts; Manute went broke building schools and hospitals.  

One of his sons, Bol Bol, is in high school now.  He should be the #1 recruit in his class but he doesn't have the discipline.  He's bounced around to a few different high schools in different states, and he's running out of people to blame for his mistakes.  I think his story would be different if Manute was still around.  

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
I've shared some of this here before... Manute lived the last few years of his life in the KC suburbs on the Kansas side.  He moved there because it's where the highest concentration of people in the USA from his home village in the Sudan were.  It's not like we became friends or anything, but I would see him around town - I doubt I was confusing him with the other 7'7" men in the area. So when Manute's name comes up, my flash isn't to him on the court, but to him in a suit ducking to fit through the door of a furniture store near our houses.  

Manute believed the solutions to conflict were education and health care.  If you had your mind and your health, you would be less likely to take up arms and fight in war.  Many retired pro athletes went broke buying houses and yachts; Manute went broke building schools and hospitals.  

One of his sons, Bol Bol, is in high school now.  He should be the #1 recruit in his class but he doesn't have the discipline.  He's bounced around to a few different high schools in different states, and he's running out of people to blame for his mistakes.  I think his story would be different if Manute was still around.  
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Wow. I don't follow the basketball threads so I've never heard this. 

My ex-girlfriend and close friend still live in the KC suburbs on the Kansas side, as you say, so I can relate a little. Been there a few times. Overland Park, as it were. Loved the city and its boulevards on the MS side, too. August in Kansas City is not to be messed with as a tourist attraction, for sure. Maybe I'm easy. I loved the city. 

I'm not sure where Manute lived, but that is interesting. I think the second paragraph you write is fascinating. Health and education are pretty basic to any fledgling society. I love that he gave back. 

Sad to hear about his son. Manute seemed always gifted in aspects of the game you know so well.

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
I've shared some of this here before... Manute lived the last few years of his life in the KC suburbs on the Kansas side.  He moved there because it's where the highest concentration of people in the USA from his home village in the Sudan were.  It's not like we became friends or anything, but I would see him around town - I doubt I was confusing him with the other 7'7" men in the area. So when Manute's name comes up, my flash isn't to him on the court, but to him in a suit ducking to fit through the door of a furniture store near our houses.  

Manute believed the solutions to conflict were education and health care.  If you had your mind and your health, you would be less likely to take up arms and fight in war.  Many retired pro athletes went broke buying houses and yachts; Manute went broke building schools and hospitals.  

One of his sons, Bol Bol, is in high school now.  He should be the #1 recruit in his class but he doesn't have the discipline.  He's bounced around to a few different high schools in different states, and he's running out of people to blame for his mistakes.  I think his story would be different if Manute was still around.  
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Didn't know you lived in the KC area. KC is a great city!

 
I also remember Manute suited up in hockey skates for charity and ESPN made fun of him. That was the end for me and that network. Stupid people making stupid jokes about war torn tragedies. Just...stupid. 

Sorry, I'll show myself the way out now. 

Bulls win, 4-2, depending on home court.  

 
I still think the '85 Lakers could give any of these teams a run.  Kareem + Magic + Worthy + Cooper + a deeeeeep rotation (McAdoo, Byron Scott, Rambis, etc.).  Maybe their defense would be a bit suspect, but I don't think Longley + Rodman would contain a still prolific Kareem.  Cooper in '85 was an excellent defender and gave one of the best shooters in the world (Larry Bird) fits.

Magic leading prime Showtime vs. Jordan leading peak Triangle Bulls?  It woudl be great.  Magic vs. Lebron would be triple double heaven. Seeing if Cooper could contain Curry would be pretty epic.  How the Warriors dealt with the fast break and post play of Showtime would be interesting.

It probably would depend on the rules used (80s, 90s, today).

 
rockaction said:
Wow. I don't follow the basketball threads so I've never heard this. 

My ex-girlfriend and close friend still live in the KC suburbs on the Kansas side, as you say, so I can relate a little. Been there a few times. Overland Park, as it were. Loved the city and its boulevards on the MS side, too. August in Kansas City is not to be messed with as a tourist attraction, for sure. Maybe I'm easy. I loved the city. 
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KC doesn't reach Mississippi, guy.   #MOpride

 
Jordan might be the best player of all time, but the stuff in this thread is way over the top.

For example, his defensive prowess.  Yes, he was a great defender, but i can remember several times when the Bulls played the Celtics in 1986 Jordan covering Bird because nobody else could.  Jordan couldn't handle Larry, despite being a much better athlete.  Larry had too fast a trigger, was too big, and too many low post moves with either hand.  Jordan or Pippen on Durant would be a joke.  Neither one of them could handle him.  And Curry's range and handle would be a problem for anybody in any era.

So I guess I would take the Bulls, but by a hair and I'd take the '86 Celtics and '87 Lakers over either of them.

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
To be fair, Klay Thompson is seriously overrated as a defender.  He's good on isos which is where his rep comes from, but he adds little away from the ball (gets eaten by screens way too much), doesn't generate turnovers, and is a lousy rebounder for a guy his size.

Draymond is one of the best defensive players in the league and his ability to play above his height is a tremendous asset to his team.  
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:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:  

Everyone is talking about his phenomenal g1 defense today, but somehow you think stuff you copied and pasted from Reddit makes you an expert.

 
They are trying to use defense as an excuse for his awful play overall.  Which is different from saying his defense was phenomenal.

 
tjnc09 said:
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:  

Everyone is talking about his phenomenal g1 defense today, but somehow you think stuff you copied and pasted from Reddit makes you an expert.
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At least you're consistent.  You're pretty much always of the POV that the single most recent game played is more important than multiple seasons' worth of data.  

This is my favorite post of yours since that time I made a post regurgitating a bunch of arguments you had made, and you called me an idiot for saying it without noticing you were criticizing yourself.  

You have such a hardon for me you will criticize anything I post just because I'm the one saying it.

 
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matuski said:
They are trying to use defense as an excuse for his awful play overall.  Which is different from saying his defense was phenomenal.
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lol I've known for a while you don't understand basketball very well.  You don't need to keep confirming that.

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
At least you're consistent.  You're pretty much always of the POV that the single most recent game played is more important than multiple seasons' worth of data.  

This is my favorite post of yours since that time I made a post regurgitating a bunch of arguments you had made, and you called me an idiot for saying it without noticing you were criticizing yourself.  It's like what I actually say doesn't matter; you have such a hardon for me you will criticize anything I post just because I'm the one saying it.
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:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:  you base your opinions on elementary school league experience.  That's why I don't care what you write.

 
tjnc09 said:
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:  you base your opinions on elementary school league experience.  That's why I don't care what you write.
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You care a great deal about what I write.  If you didn't care you wouldn't respond to so many of my posts, bump so many of my old posts, and make references to posts I've made a long time ago on your posts.  

Someone who didn't care about what I write wouldn't reply or reference my stuff at all.

 
Dedfin said:
You are so hostile, man.  Maybe you should just take it easy.
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His favorite team won easily last night with the world watching and is being compared favorably with the greatest 3-year runs any team has had in North American pro sport.  If this is how it makes him feel, why does he bother?

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
You care a great deal about what I write.  If you didn't care you wouldn't respond to so many of my posts, bump so many of my old posts, and make references to posts I've made a long time ago on your posts.  

Someone who didn't care about what I write wouldn't reply or reference my stuff at all.
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lol you do the exact same thing and act surprised when I do it.  It's funny to me.

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
His favorite team won easily last night with the world watching and is being compared favorably with the greatest 3-year runs any team has had in North American pro sport.  If this is how it makes him feel, why does he bother?
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I don't know.  It's not even just today, it's throughout the NBA thread.  I guess I just don't get the anger from some of that stuff.  I get some people like to troll sports fans, but that's definitely not going on here.  It's sincere anger.  I hope whatever the issues are they get worked out.  tjnc09 You can talk to us buddy :yes:  

 
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tjnc09 said:
lol you do the exact same thing and act surprised when I do it.  It's funny to me.
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The exact same thing?  Really?  My post that triggered your most recent run of hate didn't say anything mean about you at all.  I gave you a chance to clarify what you meant.  That's not what you do.  Ever.  

Thank you so much for caring so much about my post you had to reply to it so quickly.

 
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I'd like to add that Klay's defense was great last night.  Tons of effort and length are a formidable combo.

 
Probably the best two teams in the last ~25 years.  The Spurs have that incredible stretch of sustained excellence, but I don't think their peak is quite as high.  Would love to see it.

 
Dinsy Ejotuz said:
Probably the best two teams in the last ~25 years.  The Spurs have that incredible stretch of sustained excellence, but I don't think their peak is quite as high.  Would love to see it.
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Interesting point about the Spurs. They've had this extraordinary run of greatness, but where is the peak and how does it stand up historically?  The 1999 title team bulldozed through the league once they got the engine tuned right, but their perimeter talent seems unremarkable and 1999 was such a weird season.  The 2003 title team probably has the biggest name recognition, but Tony Parker wasn't "Tony Parker" yet and Admiral was past his prime.  2007 didn't play a Game 7 and swept the Finals, but they were the 3-seed in the West that year.  

Off the top of my head, I'd guess their best three year run was 03-05 (two titles with a great team in between that lost a close series to a starting lineup with four HOFers), but that might be selling some of those more recent teams short.

 
tjnc09 said:
http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/19551501/golden-state-warriors-favored-1995-96-chicago-bulls
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As many posted in this thread:

"The biggest factor is what rules is [the] game being played under," Holt told ESPN in an email. "Being able to hand check would make the Bulls [the] favorite and their roster was built for that. In the no-handcheck era, the Warriors' current roster is much better suited and would have some serious speed and shooter advantages at several key positions."
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saintsfan said:
Jordan might be the best player of all time, but the stuff in this thread is way over the top.

For example, his defensive prowess.  Yes, he was a great defender, but i can remember several times when the Bulls played the Celtics in 1986 Jordan covering Bird because nobody else could.  Jordan couldn't handle Larry, despite being a much better athlete.  Larry had too fast a trigger, was too big, and too many low post moves with either hand.  Jordan or Pippen on Durant would be a joke.  Neither one of them could handle him.  And Curry's range and handle would be a problem for anybody in any era.

So I guess I would take the Bulls, but by a hair and I'd take the '86 Celtics and '87 Lakers over either of them.
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Another example of how good prime Larry was.

If he didn't hurt his feet and then his back, we would be having a three-way debate about the GOAT, not just MJ & LeBron.  3 straight MVPs in an era against Magic, Kareem, Moses and a young MJ, Hakeem and Barkley.  He and Magic are always ranked together, but Larry's peak was higher than Magic and before the injury he was the better player.

Bird was unstoppable against anyone when healthy and was as good a passer as LeBron and a better rebounder than both.  He wasn't as good on defense, but wasn't a bad defender at all (3x's 2nd team all defense).

 
If the Bulls lost a Game 4 up 3-0 like GS did tonight, what are the odds of each losing the series from here?

 
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