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Jordy Nelson's Value (with Seneca) (1 Viewer)

TheLurkerBelow said:
Second Sight said:
The value/production takes a significant hit. Without the long ball connection that is such a big part of Nelson's weekly point value, the only way to recapture that is to use him in the red zone, which will go to Lacy if really close or Wallace as a scrambler (something that is overlooked but he actually does quite well).

It really isn't in the Packers' style of play to suddenly make him a slot player, especially if Cobb returns (the timing probably doesn't look likely for that though).

Also, with the weather turning colder, this is the time of the year where the Packers would want to start running it a bit more anyway, especially getting the Vikings, Falcons and Steelers at home. I know it looks odd to say "run on" and "Steelers" in the same sentence but this group of Steelers can be run on and they are aging a week every day when they are on the field.§
Actually, Jordy caught both of his TDs last week from the slot position. Green Bay was moving him around quite a bit while trying to exploit favorable matchups for him, which obviously worked that week. How much they'll keep doing that with a different QB I don't know.
I see what you are saying. I was interpreting that as "Will they put Nelson as a slot player" vs. Nelson being moved to the slot as plays are being called, similar to how Wayne and Fitzgerald and AJ and some others do. For me, it is cleared for me to say "I don't think they can do this with Wallace." With Rodgers, the accuracy and the awareness to make the calls are there but not so with Wallace.

Either way, the production isn't going to remain unless they do something unforeseen.§

 
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Looks like we are stuck with Wallace.

According to ESPN Milwaukee, the Packers are still concerned that waived QB Matt Flynn has arm issues.
Flynn's elbow problems have caused his already noodled arm to become even more withered. As Ed Werder reported a month ago, it's part of the reason the Packers didn't sign Flynn after the Raiders released him in early October. So even though Aaron Rodgers' ex-backup was waived by the Bills Monday, a claim from Green Bay is not expected. For now, they appear content to ride with Seneca Wallace while Rodgers' collarbone heals up.
Or they're trying to sneak him through waivers by appearing disinterested.

 
I just freakn traded for him Sunday morning....I don't see how you can say that it won't negatively impact him. He was likely top 3 the ROS and now he's probably more like top 10ish....

 




Looks like we are stuck with Wallace.




According to ESPN Milwaukee, the Packers are still concerned that waived QB Matt Flynn has arm issues.

Flynn's elbow problems have caused his already noodled arm to become even more withered. As Ed Werder reported a month ago, it's part of the reason the Packers didn't sign Flynn after the Raiders released him in early October. So even though Aaron Rodgers' ex-backup was waived by the Bills Monday, a claim from Green Bay is not expected. For now, they appear content to ride with Seneca Wallace while Rodgers' collarbone heals up.
Or they're trying to sneak him through waivers by appearing disinterested.
he's been cut by 3 teams this year. I don't think free bay is that worried if they miss out on him. he is terrible.
 
Surprisingly I think Flynn would actually be an upgrade over Wallace - he knows the system and some success - I think if he came back it would be an upgrade over what Wallace would do in this offence.

That being said if Wallace gets a full week of practice with the first team he might be totally fine.

 
Wr2 in ppr only. Low ceiling wr2. Wallace cannot make the types of adjustments that Rodgers can make. You are still obviously playing Nelson but the draft value you got with him is gone. I keep thinking about the matt flynn game where nelson destroyed a detroit team who was playing for something. Could this happen again with wallace? Absolutely not.

 
All the 3-week articles are quoting the same ESPN story, which, correct me if I'm wrong, came out before any of the tests were completed today. I really don't think we have any clear indication, and unless Rodgers is going to announce it himself on his radio show, Probably won't hear something until late today.

Just realized this is the Jordy thread, not the Rodgers injury thread. My mistake.

 
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Wallace looked like a guy that got next to zero rep's in practice and had no idea that he might have to play last night. :shock:

I have to think that he'll play better next week. With Rogers estimated at 3-4 weeks I don't think they'll bring in another QB.

Running game is solid so WR's will get open. I wouldn't bail on Nelson... a lot of his long TD's are mostly RAC yards anyway.

 
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Looks like we are stuck with Wallace.
According to ESPN Milwaukee, the Packers are still concerned that waived QB Matt Flynn has arm issues.

Flynn's elbow problems have caused his already noodled arm to become even more withered. As Ed Werder reported a month ago, it's part of the reason the Packers didn't sign Flynn after the Raiders released him in early October. So even though Aaron Rodgers' ex-backup was waived by the Bills Monday, a claim from Green Bay is not expected. For now, they appear content to ride with Seneca Wallace while Rodgers' collarbone heals up.
Or they're trying to sneak him through waivers by appearing disinterested.
he's been cut by 3 teams this year. I don't think free bay is that worried if they miss out on him. he is terrible.
I think it's more a team taking him for the block.

 
Wallace looked like a guy that got next to zero rep's in practice and had no idea that he might have to play last night. :shock:

I have to think that he'll play better next week. With Rogers estimated at 3-4 weeks I don't think they'll bring in another QB.

Running game is solid so WR's will get open. I wouldn't bail on Nelson... a lot of his long TD's are mostly RAC yards anyway.
Wallace could actually play worse considering Philly will now have time to prepare. Yes, PHI's defense has actually been "ok" last couple weeks, though they haven't been playing top flight offenses.

 
Looks like we are stuck with Wallace.
According to ESPN Milwaukee, the Packers are still concerned that waived QB Matt Flynn has arm issues.

Flynn's elbow problems have caused his already noodled arm to become even more withered. As Ed Werder reported a month ago, it's part of the reason the Packers didn't sign Flynn after the Raiders released him in early October. So even though Aaron Rodgers' ex-backup was waived by the Bills Monday, a claim from Green Bay is not expected. For now, they appear content to ride with Seneca Wallace while Rodgers' collarbone heals up.
Or they're trying to sneak him through waivers by appearing disinterested.
he's been cut by 3 teams this year. I don't think free bay is that worried if they miss out on him. he is terrible.
I think it's more a team taking him for the block.
I'm not sure this happens so much in real football.

 
Looks like we are stuck with Wallace.
According to ESPN Milwaukee, the Packers are still concerned that waived QB Matt Flynn has arm issues.

Flynn's elbow problems have caused his already noodled arm to become even more withered. As Ed Werder reported a month ago, it's part of the reason the Packers didn't sign Flynn after the Raiders released him in early October. So even though Aaron Rodgers' ex-backup was waived by the Bills Monday, a claim from Green Bay is not expected. For now, they appear content to ride with Seneca Wallace while Rodgers' collarbone heals up.
Or they're trying to sneak him through waivers by appearing disinterested.
he's been cut by 3 teams this year. I don't think free bay is that worried if they miss out on him. he is terrible.
I think it's more a team taking him for the block.
I'm not sure this happens so much in real football.
It doesn't but this is a unique situation. I'd be surprised if GB really passes on Flynn if they have a chance at him.

 
All the 3-week articles are quoting the same ESPN story, which, correct me if I'm wrong, came out before any of the tests were completed today. I really don't think we have any clear indication, and unless Rodgers is going to announce it himself on his radio show, Probably won't hear something until late today.

Just realized this is the Jordy thread, not the Rodgers injury thread. My mistake.
This was rotoworld from Rodgers radio show. He gave no timetable.

Speaking on his Tuesday radio show, Aaron Rodgers confirmed he has a broken collarbone, and declined to speculate on his return date.

Advice: "It's a difficult injury because there's not a specific type of rehab," Rodgers said. "Holding out hope this will be a quick heal, but this is a significant injury." Rodgers revealed he actually tried to re-enter Monday's game, but that the pain was too severe. Despite terming his injury as significant, Rodgers is optimistic he can get back soon. "I feel like I've been a quick healer in the past. Hopefully this will be on the short end." The best we can tell, Rodgers will be sidelined at least the next three weeks, and is 50-50, at best, for Green Bay's Thanksgiving trip to Detroit.

 
He barely becomes a desperation start. And as a Lacy owner as well, that sucks too as defenses will now load 9 man boxes. As a poster wrote earlier, from being loaded up on Lacy, Jordy, Crosby, they are all in the tank. the Packers chose the cheap course in Seneca like the Colts did when Manning went down with weak backups and now like them they will pay dearly for it.

 
He barely becomes a desperation start. And as a Lacy owner as well, that sucks too as defenses will now load 9 man boxes. As a poster wrote earlier, from being loaded up on Lacy, Jordy, Crosby, they are all in the tank. the Packers chose the cheap course in Seneca like the Colts did when Manning went down with weak backups and now like them they will pay dearly for it.
Curtis Painter was an artist.

 
brohans i have been away for a while but hear me now and believe me later jordy the flying burrito nelson will be on a tear with whoever they have chucking him the rock heck it could be the old swcer lined up in the shotgun and he would still be all right he is one of just a few guys that have his special set of skills that are unique to only him so when it comes to the flying burrito you can make this one with suezo because of him being in cheesehead land and take that to the bank brohitos

 
He barely becomes a desperation start. And as a Lacy owner as well, that sucks too as defenses will now load 9 man boxes. As a poster wrote earlier, from being loaded up on Lacy, Jordy, Crosby, they are all in the tank. the Packers chose the cheap course in Seneca like the Colts did when Manning went down with weak backups and now like them they will pay dearly for it.
Good comparison.

 
He barely becomes a desperation start. And as a Lacy owner as well, that sucks too as defenses will now load 9 man boxes. As a poster wrote earlier, from being loaded up on Lacy, Jordy, Crosby, they are all in the tank. the Packers chose the cheap course in Seneca like the Colts did when Manning went down with weak backups and now like them they will pay dearly for it.
Good comparison.
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Rodgers may only miss a game or two. Not going to be a big deal in his season total stat line IMO.
wow. 1-2 weeks with a broken collarbone, no matter the severity, is crazy talk. Or severely uninformed talk.

Now if you team is pretty much secured to make the playoffs, Rodgers has a decent shot to get back in your lineup for week 14.

But realistically in my opinion, the teams who win the championship in the vast majority of leagues will NOT be the teams with Rodgers/Nelson on them.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
McCarthy is the same guy that tried to turn Aaron Brooks into real live starting material for years, over Marc Bulger and Jake Delhomme.
Try nothing. McCarthy DID turn Aaron Brooks into starting material. When McCarthy left, Brooks was done. McCarthy has a very solid track record of developing QBs. Just ask Rich Gannon.

Sometimes though, guys can't be developed. Green Bay believes in seeing if players make a 'jump' in year two/three. They weren't seeing the progress they wanted in their QBs so they moved on.

I don't have a big problem with how they've handled the QB situation in Green Bay.

 
He barely becomes a desperation start. And as a Lacy owner as well, that sucks too as defenses will now load 9 man boxes. As a poster wrote earlier, from being loaded up on Lacy, Jordy, Crosby, they are all in the tank. the Packers chose the cheap course in Seneca like the Colts did when Manning went down with weak backups and now like them they will pay dearly for it.
Good comparison.
x2
Not really. Painter was a 3rd string talent - the only reason he ever got a start was the backup got hurt - first with Sorgi in 2009 and then with Collins in 2011. Based on reactions in this thread I think it's a good time to buy Nelson cheap.

 
He barely becomes a desperation start. And as a Lacy owner as well, that sucks too as defenses will now load 9 man boxes. As a poster wrote earlier, from being loaded up on Lacy, Jordy, Crosby, they are all in the tank. the Packers chose the cheap course in Seneca like the Colts did when Manning went down with weak backups and now like them they will pay dearly for it.
Good comparison.
x2
Not really. Painter was a 3rd string talent - the only reason he ever got a start was the backup got hurt - first with Sorgi in 2009 and then with Collins in 2011. Based on reactions in this thread I think it's a good time to buy Nelson cheap.
Yes, they desperately paid Collins which was a disaster because they cheaply neglected the backup position. The Packers have been doing same for years since Rogers was 'the guy', attempting to groom in house through the draft to no avail. This will cost them and us, unless Rogers makes an extremely quick recovery which generally isn't the case with fractured collarbones.

 
brohans i have been away for a while but hear me now and believe me later jordy the flying burrito nelson will be on a tear with whoever they have chucking him the rock heck it could be the old swcer lined up in the shotgun and he would still be all right he is one of just a few guys that have his special set of skills that are unique to only him so when it comes to the flying burrito you can make this one with suezo because of him being in cheesehead land and take that to the bank brohitos
...and your location makes you a completely objective opinionator. Thank you for weighing in cheesy brohito.

 


Looks like we are stuck with Wallace.
According to ESPN Milwaukee, the Packers are still concerned that waived QB Matt Flynn has arm issues.

Flynn's elbow problems have caused his already noodled arm to become even more withered. As Ed Werder reported a month ago, it's part of the reason the Packers didn't sign Flynn after the Raiders released him in early October. So even though Aaron Rodgers' ex-backup was waived by the Bills Monday, a claim from Green Bay is not expected. For now, they appear content to ride with Seneca Wallace while Rodgers' collarbone heals up.
Or they're trying to sneak him through waivers by appearing disinterested.
he's been cut by 3 teams this year. I don't think free bay is that worried if they miss out on him. he is terrible.
I think it's more a team taking him for the block.
maybe you missed the part about gb not caring
 


Looks like we are stuck with Wallace.
According to ESPN Milwaukee, the Packers are still concerned that waived QB Matt Flynn has arm issues.

Flynn's elbow problems have caused his already noodled arm to become even more withered. As Ed Werder reported a month ago, it's part of the reason the Packers didn't sign Flynn after the Raiders released him in early October. So even though Aaron Rodgers' ex-backup was waived by the Bills Monday, a claim from Green Bay is not expected. For now, they appear content to ride with Seneca Wallace while Rodgers' collarbone heals up.
Or they're trying to sneak him through waivers by appearing disinterested.
he's been cut by 3 teams this year. I don't think free bay is that worried if they miss out on him. he is terrible.
I think it's more a team taking him for the block.
maybe you missed the part about gb not caring
Ed Werder still saying they'll sign him if he can throw the ball.

 
Looks like we are stuck with Wallace.

According to ESPN Milwaukee, the Packers are still concerned that waived QB Matt Flynn has arm issues.
Flynn's elbow problems have caused his already noodled arm to become even more withered. As Ed Werder reported a month ago, it's part of the reason the Packers didn't sign Flynn after the Raiders released him in early October. So even though Aaron Rodgers' ex-backup was waived by the Bills Monday, a claim from Green Bay is not expected. For now, they appear content to ride with Seneca Wallace while Rodgers' collarbone heals up.
Or they're trying to sneak him through waivers by appearing disinterested.
ESPN's Ed Werder expects the Packers to sign free agent Matt Flynn "if convinced he's healthy."
The Pack passed up a chance to claim Flynn on waivers...

Yeah, ummmm....no.
 
Looks like we are stuck with Wallace.

According to ESPN Milwaukee, the Packers are still concerned that waived QB Matt Flynn has arm issues.
Flynn's elbow problems have caused his already noodled arm to become even more withered. As Ed Werder reported a month ago, it's part of the reason the Packers didn't sign Flynn after the Raiders released him in early October. So even though Aaron Rodgers' ex-backup was waived by the Bills Monday, a claim from Green Bay is not expected. For now, they appear content to ride with Seneca Wallace while Rodgers' collarbone heals up.
Or they're trying to sneak him through waivers by appearing disinterested.
ESPN's Ed Werder expects the Packers to sign free agent Matt Flynn "if convinced he's healthy."
The Pack passed up a chance to claim Flynn on waivers...

Yeah, ummmm....no.
Passing on him with a waiver claim was about being on the hook for guaranteed money.

 


Looks like we are stuck with Wallace.
According to ESPN Milwaukee, the Packers are still concerned that waived QB Matt Flynn has arm issues.

Flynn's elbow problems have caused his already noodled arm to become even more withered. As Ed Werder reported a month ago, it's part of the reason the Packers didn't sign Flynn after the Raiders released him in early October. So even though Aaron Rodgers' ex-backup was waived by the Bills Monday, a claim from Green Bay is not expected. For now, they appear content to ride with Seneca Wallace while Rodgers' collarbone heals up.
Or they're trying to sneak him through waivers by appearing disinterested.
he's been cut by 3 teams this year. I don't think free bay is that worried if they miss out on him. he is terrible.
I think it's more a team taking him for the block.
maybe you missed the part about gb not caring
Ed Werder still saying they'll sign him if he can throw the ball.
same guy who said Rodgers was out for the year yesterday. Werder don't know.
 
Looks like we are stuck with Wallace.

According to ESPN Milwaukee, the Packers are still concerned that waived QB Matt Flynn has arm issues.
Flynn's elbow problems have caused his already noodled arm to become even more withered. As Ed Werder reported a month ago, it's part of the reason the Packers didn't sign Flynn after the Raiders released him in early October. So even though Aaron Rodgers' ex-backup was waived by the Bills Monday, a claim from Green Bay is not expected. For now, they appear content to ride with Seneca Wallace while Rodgers' collarbone heals up.
Or they're trying to sneak him through waivers by appearing disinterested.
ESPN's Ed Werder expects the Packers to sign free agent Matt Flynn "if convinced he's healthy."
The Pack passed up a chance to claim Flynn on waivers...

Yeah, ummmm....no.
Passing on him with a waiver claim was about being on the hook for guaranteed money.
Jeebus. Or maybe he's just not that good and the Packers realize it after seeing him play against real NFL competition that actually has film on him.

 
Lotta testy Nelson owners in here, talking about how the downgrade wasn't so bad. Delusional talk, go see some of those Seneca passes that were high and "juuuuust a bit outside". (Bob Eueker voice)

 
Lotta testy Nelson owners in here, talking about how the downgrade wasn't so bad. Delusional talk, go see some of those Seneca passes that were high and "juuuuust a bit outside". (Bob Eueker voice)
It's a huge downgrade but the Eagles are giving up the most points to WR's this year (17 catches for 218 yards and 1.5 TD's a game). If Seneca can't get him the ball this week then it's going to be rough few weeks until Rodgers is back.

 
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McCarthy is the same guy that tried to turn Aaron Brooks into real live starting material for years, over Marc Bulger and Jake Delhomme.
Try nothing. McCarthy DID turn Aaron Brooks into starting material. When McCarthy left, Brooks was done. McCarthy has a very solid track record of developing QBs. Just ask Rich Gannon.

Sometimes though, guys can't be developed. Green Bay believes in seeing if players make a 'jump' in year two/three. They weren't seeing the progress they wanted in their QBs so they moved on.

I don't have a big problem with how they've handled the QB situation in Green Bay.
Good point. It will be interesting this weekend. McCarthy will get production out of this guy, I have no doubt about that.

I'll give Wallace a mulligan for MNF w/o any practice rep's... this week will be the real test.

 
The numbers below are his career numbers - He obviously doesn't set the world on fire and Jordy drops, but it's not like he turns into a pumpkin - I'd call him a middle of the pack WR2 with upside. I'd put him below Garçon/Decker and above Cecil Shorts. Everyone says this helps Lacy which is comical to me - Instead of lining up against 5-6 man fronts, he'll now have 8 in the box, how does that help?

PASSING

Year TeamG Att Comp Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Int

TOTAL 63 783 463 59.1 12.4 4,922 6.3 78.1 31 19

 
The numbers below are his career numbers - He obviously doesn't set the world on fire and Jordy drops, but it's not like he turns into a pumpkin - I'd call him a middle of the pack WR2 with upside. I'd put him below Garçon/Decker and above Cecil Shorts. Everyone says this helps Lacy which is comical to me - Instead of lining up against 5-6 man fronts, he'll now have 8 in the box, how does that help?

PASSING

Year TeamG Att Comp Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Int

TOTAL 63 783 463 59.1 12.4 4,922 6.3 78.1 31 19
Very much agree.

And really, this is incredibly bad for Nelson. He might, MIGHT, put up halfway decent numbers, but I wouldnt be surprised at all if he throws out about 2-3 duds coming up.

 
Guys he's a stud - If Josh Gordon is having good games with the 3rd string Cleveland QB my bet is Jordy will still produce at a decent rate.

No reason to panic but you won't get those 2 TD games anymore.

 
Put me down as a half-panicking Nelson owner.

CON: He's not going to get deep balls. Seneca Wallace doesn't have a great arm, can't see over his O-line, and at this point in his career, doesn't have enough athleticism to extend plays when his protection breaks down.The line is better at pass protection than last year, but not enough to let Wallace throw the deep ball well. Deep passes were a major part of Nelson's fantasy value, so that sucks.

PRO: Jordy's the best slot receiver on the team right now. Those are the sort of passes Wallace can make. So, he's not as screwed at Boykin or Jones.

 
Guys he's a stud - If Josh Gordon is having good games with the 3rd string Cleveland QB my bet is Jordy will still produce at a decent rate.

No reason to panic but you won't get those 2 TD games anymore.
Campbell and Weeden and Wallace are different QBs. Maybe I'm shaded too much by having seen Wallace this preseason and in his defense he was hurt a good bit so maybe he did not ever really get to integrate into the offense like Luke McCown (who looked great), I don't know. But at least Campbell has been playing continuously in the league, Wallace has been out a year plus. Wallace looks slow to react, prone to big TO's, runs out of the pocket too quickly. I am wrong all the time, so maybe he will make it work and I will be so happy to be wrong I can't tell you.

I have Jordy in but because I have to. Hoping for the best like everyone. Maybe he becomes a PPR wizard with a TD per game, let's hope Wallace realizes where his bread is buttered and goes to him over and over again. The slot can be perfect for that. The Packers' opposing defense schedule is still great. If Wallace fails maybe Tolzien gets his chance and then maybe that's a good result, always hopeful no matter what.

 
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I watched Seneca during the Saints preseason. He was Horrid! Every Packer is a downgrade including Lacy. Defenses are going to sell out to stop the run and dare Wallace to throw the ball.

 
I watched Seneca during the Saints preseason. He was Horrid! Every Packer is a downgrade including Lacy. Defenses are going to sell out to stop the run and dare Wallace to throw the ball.
That's what I keep saying, the Bears game was just like what we saw. If the first half is more of the same I will be chanting for them to bring in Tolzien. Free Jordy.

 
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Jordy is going to get a ton of short targets along with less attention from opposing defenses. He's proven he can make things happen after the catch. He'll get his. Maybe not in the way we've been accustomed to seeing it happen but he'll get his. No Rodgers will make things far more difficult for Lacy not Jordy. Buy Jordy, sell Lacy. Flame away.

 

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