Jordy Nelson's Value (with Seneca) (1 Viewer)

[thehornet]

Jordy is going to get a ton of short targets along with less attention from opposing defenses. He's proven he can make things happen after the catch. He'll get his. Maybe not in the way we've been accustomed to seeing it happen but he'll get his. No Rodgers will make things far more difficult for Lacy not Jordy. Buy Jordy, sell Lacy. Flame away.

he will get his. about 4-5 short catches a game for about 50-60 yards. this is best case. you are absolutely delusional if you think jordy is going to be a ppr stud. Wallace is the worst starting qb in football right now. at least lacy has volume on his side.

 

[JAMES!]

Jordy is going to get a ton of short targets along with less attention from opposing defenses. He's proven he can make things happen after the catch. He'll get his. Maybe not in the way we've been accustomed to seeing it happen but he'll get his. No Rodgers will make things far more difficult for Lacy not Jordy. Buy Jordy, sell Lacy. Flame away.

he will get his. about 4-5 short catches a game for about 50-60 yards. this is best case. you are absolutely delusional if you think jordy is going to be a ppr stud. Wallace is the worst starting qb in football right now.at least lacy has volume on his side.

I guess we'll find out.

 

[thehornet]

Jordy is going to get a ton of short targets along with less attention from opposing defenses. He's proven he can make things happen after the catch. He'll get his. Maybe not in the way we've been accustomed to seeing it happen but he'll get his. No Rodgers will make things far more difficult for Lacy not Jordy. Buy Jordy, sell Lacy. Flame away.

he will get his. about 4-5 short catches a game for about 50-60 yards. this is best case. you are absolutely delusional if you think jordy is going to be a ppr stud. Wallace is the worst starting qb in football right now.at least lacy has volume on his side.

I guess we'll find out.

honestly, what are you expecting? top 10 from here on out? top 20? what are you averages? 5 catches per game or 8? 100 yards per?

 

[JAMES!]

Jordy is going to get a ton of short targets along with less attention from opposing defenses. He's proven he can make things happen after the catch. He'll get his. Maybe not in the way we've been accustomed to seeing it happen but he'll get his. No Rodgers will make things far more difficult for Lacy not Jordy. Buy Jordy, sell Lacy. Flame away.

he will get his. about 4-5 short catches a game for about 50-60 yards. this is best case. you are absolutely delusional if you think jordy is going to be a ppr stud. Wallace is the worst starting qb in football right now.at least lacy has volume on his side.

I guess we'll find out.

honestly, what are you expecting? top 10 from here on out? top 20? what are you averages? 5 catches per game or 8? 100 yards per?

All I'm expecting is for you to come in here and chirp if he has a bad game or disappear if he has a good one. See you Sunday. Maybe.

 

[thehornet]

Jordy is going to get a ton of short targets along with less attention from opposing defenses. He's proven he can make things happen after the catch. He'll get his. Maybe not in the way we've been accustomed to seeing it happen but he'll get his. No Rodgers will make things far more difficult for Lacy not Jordy. Buy Jordy, sell Lacy. Flame away.

he will get his. about 4-5 short catches a game for about 50-60 yards. this is best case. you are absolutely delusional if you think jordy is going to be a ppr stud. Wallace is the worst starting qb in football right now.at least lacy has volume on his side.

I guess we'll find out.

honestly, what are you expecting? top 10 from here on out? top 20? what are you averages? 5 catches per game or 8? 100 yards per?

All I'm expecting is for you to come in here and chirp if he has a bad game or disappear if he has a good one. See you Sunday. Maybe.

Hahaa I think well both be doing that. but seriously, I stAted my thoughts. I expect wr3 numbers at best with Wallace. what are you actually expecting? I'm willing to be that once you put it in writing, you'll see that you have jordy around wr3 territory as well.

 

[degenerate]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1840087-proof-that-seneca-wallace-throws-just-like-uncle-rico

 

[Statorama]

I learned my lesson when I benched Jordy when Matt Flynn took the reigns a couple of years ago. To the extreme he rocked the mike like a vandal.

 

[Statorama]

Prediction - 5/68/1

 

[NajehHejan]

I am too worried about Wallace being able to get him the ball. Benching him for Cecil Shorts.

 

[JetMaxx]

Eagles D is a roller coaster and Seneca can't be as bad as last week. Start him.

 

[Statorama]

It's a sneaky buy-low time for Nelson actually. He's got the Eagles, Giants, and Vikings in order, none of which are defensive juggernauts. By that time, Rogers will be back for the playoff push.

 

[ghostguy123]

I learned my lesson when I benched Jordy when Matt Flynn took the reigns a couple of years ago. To the extreme he rocked the mike like a vandal.

How much did you know about Flynn at that time???

How much do you know about Wallace right now??

GIGANTIC difference. Nelson's value for the next month took a huge hit. HUGE

 

[J Perusse]

I have Dez and Keenan so I might be giving a different perspective since I am only starting Jordy as my flex over Gio, but the Eagles are averaging 45 pass attempts allowed and 308 yards per game, both league highs. Say Seneca completes only 20 passes, 5 of those are going to Jordy and I have confidence he can turn 5 catches into 100 yards and a score. Definitely a much, much, lower ceiling, but the matchup is too juicy for me to pass up.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Jordy Nelson's Value (with Seneca Tolzien)

Well??

 

[Statorama]

Jordy Nelson's Value (with Seneca Tolzien)

Well??

Not good for Jordy. Not good for anyone.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Jordy Nelson's Value (with Seneca Tolzien)

Well??

Not good for Jordy. Not good for anyone.

Have to say I'm feelin' (slightly) better with JRR Tolzien in there.

 

[seahawk 17]

I have Dez and Keenan so I might be giving a different perspective since I am only starting Jordy as my flex over Gio, but the Eagles are averaging 45 pass attempts allowed and 308 yards per game, both league highs. Say Seneca completes only 20 passes, 5 of those are going to Jordy and I have confidence he can turn 5 catches into 100 yards and a score. Definitely a much, much, lower ceiling, but the matchup is too juicy for me to pass up.

This was well written and thought out, so I went ahead and started Jordy. Now I hate you.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I have Dez and Keenan so I might be giving a different perspective since I am only starting Jordy as my flex over Gio, but the Eagles are averaging 45 pass attempts allowed and 308 yards per game, both league highs. Say Seneca completes only 20 passes, 5 of those are going to Jordy and I have confidence he can turn 5 catches into 100 yards and a score. Definitely a much, much, lower ceiling, but the matchup is too juicy for me to pass up.

This was well written and thought out, so I went ahead and started Jordy. Now I hate you.

Actually Jordy has two catches now.

That's twice as many as I thought he would have today after seeing the way Wallace started.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

That went pretty much like most people thought but it did not last long.

How are owners feeling about Jordy with Tolzien now?

Better I take it, but better enough to start Jordy?

 

[rickyg]

This is a disaster. lol.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

This is a disaster. lol.

Also:

Packers' center out, they lost their center and a tackle, and had to put in a guard who had never snapped a ball before:

Hits just keep coming as injuries knock out 6 more Packers...

Dietrich-Smith went down with 4½ minutes remaining in the second quarter with a knee injury. Barclay was lost early in the fourth quarter, also with a knee injury.

"We'll figure it out when they get scanned," said Sitton. "They both seemed to be doing OK when I saw them after."

Asked if either injury could be season-ending injury, guard T.J. Lang said, "I hope not. Both those guys are walking."

Lang had never played a competitive snap at center at any level when he was thrust in as Dietrich-Smith's replacement. He started taking a few snaps there in practice after Greg Van Roten was injured Sept. 30.

"I knew I was going to be the backup so I kind of started preparing," said Lang. "I played like (expletive) today. There were a couple plays, especially in the run game, that were kind of new to me...like trying to reach (block) a guy. Playing center, those guys are right on top of you."

Lang suffered a concussion Monday night and was listed as questionable. He went the distance, saying he had no repercussions.

Green Bay's running backs carried 18 times for 59 yards (3.3 average) until Dietrich-Smith's departure. They went 11 for 21 (1.9) after that.

...

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/hits-just-keep-coming-as-injuries-knock-out-6-more-packers-b99139117z1-231390611.html#ixzz2kMhz22MQ

 

[MCguidance]

ThT was a helluva non catch. Would have been a fine day if that call went his way.

 

[DoubleG]

Philly horrible against the pass. He'll be fine this week. Still a top 5-10 option. On top of that, teams are going to focus on stopping the run now. Anyone thinking Rodgers absence will help Lacy has it backwards. Those holes you can drive a truck through will be gone.

I agree this doesn't help Lacy but Nelson being top 5-10 is pure wishful thinking. he's a wr3 at best until Rodgers returns.

He's going to get less attention now. Seneca is no Rodgers obviously but to think he's just going to fall off a cliff is nuts. Defenses going to dare Seneca to beat them. Jordy may get more targets. The sky is not falling.

Two things:

1) The bolded is not true...at all. Nelson will likely see fewer targets, as the Packers will not only be run-centric, but will also have fewer offensive plays, as their offense will be less effective. Also, running the ball a lot tends to "shorten" games, also leading to fewer offensive plays.

2) The quality of the guy throwing the ball is not the same - so target numbers don't matter as much. There is a difference between being targeted by Aaron Rodgers and targeted by Seneca Wallace. Heck, Peppers' INT was a Nelson target on the slant. Last night, Nelson was targeted 8 times by Wallace - he caught 3. Save for one game in Baltimore, Jordy has a catch rate of 75% of his targets (or higher) in the other 6 games. That % is going to go waaaay down with Seneca Wallace throwing the ball. I'd say 50% is a fair expectation - at 15 yards per, that's about 4-5 completions/game for about 60 yards and an occasional score. That's something - but that's nowhere near WR1 territory - and actually, weakish WR2 depending on the number of teams in your league. Think right around where Denarius Moore is going forward (his pace is almost exactly the above numbers).

I do not own Jordy Nelson. 110 & a TD next week at least.

Ummmm....no.

 

[sho nuff]

That went pretty much like most people thought but it did not last long.

How are owners feeling about Jordy with Tolzien now?

Better I take it, but better enough to start Jordy?

2 endzone targets were nice...

One an awful pass that was picked off...

The other one, a beauty that Nelson should have caught (others can argue whether his hand was fully under it or not...not going there)

 

[sho nuff]

This is a disaster. lol.

Also:

Packers' center out, they lost their center and a tackle, and had to put in a guard who had never snapped a ball before:

Hits just keep coming as injuries knock out 6 more Packers...

Dietrich-Smith went down with 4½ minutes remaining in the second quarter with a knee injury. Barclay was lost early in the fourth quarter, also with a knee injury.

"We'll figure it out when they get scanned," said Sitton. "They both seemed to be doing OK when I saw them after."

Asked if either injury could be season-ending injury, guard T.J. Lang said, "I hope not. Both those guys are walking."

Lang had never played a competitive snap at center at any level when he was thrust in as Dietrich-Smith's replacement. He started taking a few snaps there in practice after Greg Van Roten was injured Sept. 30.

"I knew I was going to be the backup so I kind of started preparing," said Lang. "I played like (expletive) today. There were a couple plays, especially in the run game, that were kind of new to me...like trying to reach (block) a guy. Playing center, those guys are right on top of you."

Lang suffered a concussion Monday night and was listed as questionable. He went the distance, saying he had no repercussions.

Green Bay's running backs carried 18 times for 59 yards (3.3 average) until Dietrich-Smith's departure. They went 11 for 21 (1.9) after that.

...

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/hits-just-keep-coming-as-injuries-knock-out-6-more-packers-b99139117z1-231390611.html#ixzz2kMhz22MQ

Barclay was a tackle...but was playing RG with the injury to EDS...he slid over to guard, Lang to C...Newhouse in at RT.

Then Barclay went out bringing in another rookie to play RG.

The OL is a mess with all this right now.

 

[LargeMouthBass]

ThT was a helluva non catch. Would have been a fine day if that call went his way.

I'm biased but that should have been ruled a catch. His hand was under the ball.

 

[JAMES!]

Looks like we are stuck with Wallace.

According to ESPN Milwaukee, the Packers are still concerned that waived QB Matt Flynn has arm issues.
Flynn's elbow problems have caused his already noodled arm to become even more withered. As Ed Werder reported a month ago, it's part of the reason the Packers didn't sign Flynn after the Raiders released him in early October. So even though Aaron Rodgers' ex-backup was waived by the Bills Monday, a claim from Green Bay is not expected. For now, they appear content to ride with Seneca Wallace while Rodgers' collarbone heals up.

Or they're trying to sneak him through waivers by appearing disinterested.

ESPN's Ed Werder expects the Packers to sign free agent Matt Flynn "if convinced he's healthy."
The Pack passed up a chance to claim Flynn on waivers...

Yeah, ummmm....no.

Passing on him with a waiver claim was about being on the hook for guaranteed money.

Jeebus. Or maybe he's just not that good and the Packers realize it after seeing him play against real NFL competition that actually has film on him.

Or maybe not.

 

[thehornet]

Looks like we are stuck with Wallace.

According to ESPN Milwaukee, the Packers are still concerned that waived QB Matt Flynn has arm issues.


Flynn's elbow problems have caused his already noodled arm to become even more withered. As Ed Werder reported a month ago, it's part of the reason the Packers didn't sign Flynn after the Raiders released him in early October. So even though Aaron Rodgers' ex-backup was waived by the Bills Monday, a claim from Green Bay is not expected. For now, they appear content to ride with Seneca Wallace while Rodgers' collarbone heals up.

Or they're trying to sneak him through waivers by appearing disinterested.

ESPN's Ed Werder expects the Packers to sign free agent Matt Flynn "if convinced he's healthy."

The Pack passed up a chance to claim Flynn on waivers...


Yeah, ummmm....no.

Passing on him with a waiver claim was about being on the hook for guaranteed money.

Jeebus. Or maybe he's just not that good and the Packers realize it after seeing him play against real NFL competition that actually has film on him.

Or maybe not.

flynn is fu$@ing terrible. you think cause Green Bay signed him out of sheer desperation means he is even remotely any good? wrong. plus they signed him as a free agent and didn't have to "sneak" him thru free agency like you suggested. he blows which is why every other team passed on him. sorry.

 

[JAMES!]

Looks like we are stuck with Wallace.

According to ESPN Milwaukee, the Packers are still concerned that waived QB Matt Flynn has arm issues.

Flynn's elbow problems have caused his already noodled arm to become even more withered. As Ed Werder reported a month ago, it's part of the reason the Packers didn't sign Flynn after the Raiders released him in early October. So even though Aaron Rodgers' ex-backup was waived by the Bills Monday, a claim from Green Bay is not expected. For now, they appear content to ride with Seneca Wallace while Rodgers' collarbone heals up.

Or they're trying to sneak him through waivers by appearing disinterested.

ESPN's Ed Werder expects the Packers to sign free agent Matt Flynn "if convinced he's healthy."

The Pack passed up a chance to claim Flynn on waivers...



Yeah, ummmm....no.

Passing on him with a waiver claim was about being on the hook for guaranteed money.

Jeebus. Or maybe he's just not that good and the Packers realize it after seeing him play against real NFL competition that actually has film on him.

Or maybe not.

dude he is fu$@ing terrible. you think cause Green Bay signed him out of sheer desperation means he is even remotely any good? wrong. plus they signed him as a free agent and didn't have to "sneak" him thru free agency like you suggested. he blows which is why every other team passed on him. sorry.

I never said he wasn't terrible.

 

[thehornet]

Looks like we are stuck with Wallace.

According to ESPN Milwaukee, the Packers are still concerned that waived QB Matt Flynn has arm issues.

Flynn's elbow problems have caused his already noodled arm to become even more withered. As Ed Werder reported a month ago, it's part of the reason the Packers didn't sign Flynn after the Raiders released him in early October. So even though Aaron Rodgers' ex-backup was waived by the Bills Monday, a claim from Green Bay is not expected. For now, they appear content to ride with Seneca Wallace while Rodgers' collarbone heals up.

Or they're trying to sneak him through waivers by appearing disinterested.

ESPN's Ed Werder expects the Packers to sign free agent Matt Flynn "if convinced he's healthy."The Pack passed up a chance to claim Flynn on waivers...



Yeah, ummmm....no.

Passing on him with a waiver claim was about being on the hook for guaranteed money.

Jeebus. Or maybe he's just not that good and the Packers realize it after seeing him play against real NFL competition that actually has film on him.

Or maybe not.

dude he is fu$@ing terrible. you think cause Green Bay signed him out of sheer desperation means he is even remotely any good? wrong. plus they signed him as a free agent and didn't have to "sneak" him thru free agency like you suggested. he blows which is why every other team passed on him. sorry.

I never said he wasn't terrible.

you're not actually saying anything.

 

[JAMES!]

Looks like we are stuck with Wallace.

According to ESPN Milwaukee, the Packers are still concerned that waived QB Matt Flynn has arm issues.

Flynn's elbow problems have caused his already noodled arm to become even more withered. As Ed Werder reported a month ago, it's part of the reason the Packers didn't sign Flynn after the Raiders released him in early October. So even though Aaron Rodgers' ex-backup was waived by the Bills Monday, a claim from Green Bay is not expected. For now, they appear content to ride with Seneca Wallace while Rodgers' collarbone heals up.

Or they're trying to sneak him through waivers by appearing disinterested.

ESPN's Ed Werder expects the Packers to sign free agent Matt Flynn "if convinced he's healthy."The Pack passed up a chance to claim Flynn on waivers...



Yeah, ummmm....no.

Passing on him with a waiver claim was about being on the hook for guaranteed money.

Jeebus. Or maybe he's just not that good and the Packers realize it after seeing him play against real NFL competition that actually has film on him.

Or maybe not.

dude he is fu$@ing terrible. you think cause Green Bay signed him out of sheer desperation means he is even remotely any good? wrong. plus they signed him as a free agent and didn't have to "sneak" him thru free agency like you suggested. he blows which is why every other team passed on him. sorry.

I never said he wasn't terrible.

you're not actually saying anything.

All I said was I'd be surprised if they didn't sign him.