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Josh Gordon - August 1, 2016 (1 Viewer)
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ILUVBEER99
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The Kerminator
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matttyl said:
To Josh
ghostguy123
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Hankmoody
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No, same thing. A player must be on Full Pay Status for a minimum of 6 games per year. It doesn't matter if he holds out (more below though), gets suspended, or gets cut/plays a partial season. If he's Full Pay Status (IR and PUP count, so does Commissioner Exempt List) for 6 games, he gets an Accrued Season. Gordon only spent 5 games on Full Pay status in 2014, so he doesn't get an Accrued Season for that. That's why the week 17 suspension by the team in 2014 was such a big deal. His original contract was 4 years and he would be a Free Agent after that. But because of that suspension, even when he completed the 4th year, he would only have 3 Accrued Seasons. FA's with 4 Accrued Seasons are UFA, 3 seasons are RFA, and less than three are Exclusive Rights Free Agents (ERFA). So that suspension effectively cost him UFA status.Dr. Octopus said:
When a player signs a contract, it is for the next season, to be paid in 16 even increments (game checks). Since Gordon's 2015 never started, the contract for it was tolled to 2016. So if he plays in 2016 his 4th contract year will be complete. If he's on Full Pay status for 6+ games, he'll get an Accrued Season and be an RFA in 2017. If he doesn't get that third Accrued Season he'll be an ERFA in 2017. If he's suspended again the contract will toll again.
Regarding holdouts, the most recent CBA changed the cutoff. There's now a Reporting Date cutoff to gain an Accrued Season, and it's in late Preseason. Last year was August 11th: https://www.nflpa.com/events/reporting-deadline-for-a-2015-accrued-season. So no longer can a player holdout for 10 games and get the Accrued Season. This is a BIG deal for guys on rookie contracts because if a guy holds out and loses, he'll also likely lose UFA status like Gordon did. It's not that big a deal once a player has 4 Accrued Seasons though.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I thought that what I said originally, and you corrected me.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
If he plays even 1 game the contract won't toll. I guess technically you're right since 6 games would also cause the contract year to be fulfilled, I was just clarifying that the tolling isn't tied to the 6 game number, it's tied to the player participating in the season in any way. 6 games is the milestone for Accrued Seasons. If Gordon is suspended through week 16 and is reinstated for week 17, his 2016 contract will be fulfilled and he's a Free Agent (ERFA) in 2017.Dr. Octopus said:
Suspended all of 2016 = contract tolls to 2017, not scheduled for Free Agency until 2018
Full Pay Status 1+ game = fulfilling contract year, he'll be a Free Agent next year
Full Pay Status 6+ games = Accrued Season for FA status determination - UFA/RFA/ERFA
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Dr. Octopus
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Todays jg/manziel news:
http://bustedcoverage.com/2016/04/15/johnny-manziel-420-tattoo-photos/
rumor or has it they have matching 420 tats
http://bustedcoverage.com/2016/04/15/johnny-manziel-420-tattoo-photos/
rumor or has it they have matching 420 tats
skillz
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Looks like many teams don't seem concerned about the latest news and may be looking to trade for him. So this latest setback may end up getting Josh out of Cleveland and on to a better team/fantasy situation.
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2016/04/15/josh-gordon-reportedly-has-suitors-lining-up-for-his-services/aw03lej/
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2632824-sources-nfl-teams-eager-to-forgive-and-forget-josh-gordons-past
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2016/04/15/josh-gordon-reportedly-has-suitors-lining-up-for-his-services/aw03lej/
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2632824-sources-nfl-teams-eager-to-forgive-and-forget-josh-gordons-past
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Anarchy99
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They had me until the cutting out bad influences in his life part. He's been hanging out with Johnny Football. Were the people he excluded Aaron Hernandez and OJ Simpson?
Not to keep beating a dead horse, but many of these articles seem to have a spin focused on what people want to happen vs, was what the league is likely to do. I still think the league will make him jump through more hoops, not fewer, to get reinstated.
Oh boy...
The owner of a trashed multi-million-dollar Hollywood home rented by free agent Johnny Manziel last week claims a person identifying himself as suspended Browns WR Josh Gordon was in the house with Manziel.
The L.A. house was notoriously damaged and strewn with alcohol and drugs, to the extent Manziel has been billed $32,000. Landlord Nicholas Goodwin says he never saw Manziel or Gordon drinking or doing drugs, but did see "what appeared to be cocaine on a table and other substances that appeared to be mushrooms and marijuana when the two were in the home." Gordon is also believed to have picked up Manziel following a late-night/early-morning hit-and-run incident in L.A. last Saturday night. Agent Drew Rosenhaus recently stated he is confident Gordon will be reinstated from suspension and play the 2016 season.
The owner of a trashed multi-million-dollar Hollywood home rented by free agent Johnny Manziel last week claims a person identifying himself as suspended Browns WR Josh Gordon was in the house with Manziel.
The L.A. house was notoriously damaged and strewn with alcohol and drugs, to the extent Manziel has been billed $32,000. Landlord Nicholas Goodwin says he never saw Manziel or Gordon drinking or doing drugs, but did see "what appeared to be cocaine on a table and other substances that appeared to be mushrooms and marijuana when the two were in the home." Gordon is also believed to have picked up Manziel following a late-night/early-morning hit-and-run incident in L.A. last Saturday night. Agent Drew Rosenhaus recently stated he is confident Gordon will be reinstated from suspension and play the 2016 season.
They were probably just cooking a nice home cooked meal. A lot of times when I have guests over they think I have drugs all over the counter but it's really just table salt, portebello mushrooms and oregano.
steelers1080
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Ming the Merciless did less damage to Flash than Johnny Football has.
JoeSteeler
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King of the Jungle
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Johnny has officially convinced Gordon that life after football is fantastic. Hopefully Josh is a trust-fund child as well.
massraider
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Brendon1215
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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25559064/look-johnny-manziel-and-josh-gordon-are-now-partying-at-coachella
Also, I heard that he got a "420" tattoo on his hand in roman numerals.
http://brobible.com/sports/article/johnny-manziel-apparently-has-a-new-420-weed-tattoo/
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Josh is just trying to be there for Manziel, kind of a sober coach.
Kevrunner
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
massraider
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
steelers1080
Footballguy
"They both plan to play in 2016..."
Talk about delusional. Who does Johnny think would sign him?
At this point it seems like Gordon just doesn't understand how the real world works. In his ideal world football players could do what they want off the field and still play at game time (like they did up until recent years). In March, 1973 a Steelers player had a mental breakdown, shot at passing trucks, shot a cop in the ankle, and went to a mental asylum... He was back on the field in September. It just doesn't work like that anymore. Gordon is going to make another mistake and probably will never play again. He just doesn't get how things work nowadays.
Talk about delusional. Who does Johnny think would sign him?
At this point it seems like Gordon just doesn't understand how the real world works. In his ideal world football players could do what they want off the field and still play at game time (like they did up until recent years). In March, 1973 a Steelers player had a mental breakdown, shot at passing trucks, shot a cop in the ankle, and went to a mental asylum... He was back on the field in September. It just doesn't work like that anymore. Gordon is going to make another mistake and probably will never play again. He just doesn't get how things work nowadays.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I would guess if he went to rehab he would go without any intent of actually rehabbing. He would probably enroll at a ritzy rehab facility and go through the motions of rehabbing with no intent of getting any actual treatment. Within two days of getting out, he would be at a bar or a party somewhere or getting a DUI.
Brendon1215
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Gordon (if reinstated and if he can stop failing piss tests) will play in mid 2016. Even if Cleveland releases him, there are multiple suitors (see here). Although Johnny's chances of playing this year are slim to none. He might as well head up to Canada now.
Denver724
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Where in the hell is Josh's agent Rosenhaus? I know he dumped Johnny. I am shocked that he is continuing to let Josh hang out with that loser. Or it won't be long before Drew dumps Josh as well. I remember reading where Von Miller hired a life coach to help him through his mess (been clean for three years and now out of the NFL's program). I really thought Josh made football a priority after being out of the spotlight (clean tests) for almost a year. Boy was I wrong.
Anarchy99
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From Rotoworld on On 4/13 . . .
Agent Drew Rosenhaus stated on Sirius NFL Radio Wednesday that he "believes" suspended Browns WR Josh Gordon will play football in 2016.
Rosenhaus always does a good job of staying in the news. Contacted by Sirius to discuss his firing of Johnny Manziel, Rosenhaus also addressed Gordon's situation. Rosenhaus referred to Gordon's recent positive test for marijuana and dilute as a "hiccup" and "temporary setback," adding he believes Gordon "will be back in 2016."
Denver724
Footballguy
Well, I think the wheels are coming off his client and he needs to start getting more involved. Josh going to Coachella with Johnny isn't a good sign. Especially after reading that Johnny arrived to the event wasted, stayed wasted and left wasted.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
This raises an interesting question. If a player is not under contract to one of the 32 NFL franchises, does he still have to abide by the rules of the CBA? So can Manziel go crazy as long as he is a free agent? Then when he signed a contract and got tested, his argument would be "oh that, that's from when I was unsigned so the testing rules don't apply." Granted, it doesn't look like he will get signed anywhere, just food for thought.
I'm going to guess the answer is yes. It shouldn't be, IMO, but it probably is.
Remember, Terrell Pryor was suspended upon his entrance into the NFL for acts that occurred when he was at OSU, right?
Anarchy99
Footballguy
IIRC, Pryor was suspended by the NCAA and the NFL chose to apply the remainder of his suspension to the start of his NFL career.
If Manziel were already suspended, his suspension would pick up on his new team where it left off on his old team. As of right now, I do not believe Manziel is currently suspended (although some folks think a suspension is coming down the pike). Not sure what the rules are when players are in limbo contract wise.
He was suspended by the NCAA, but left school, and the NFL applied his suspension (or the rest of it), correct.
My point is that if the NFL was able to suspend an individual for something he did when he wasn't affiliated with the league or one of its' teams, I would assume that they could/would hold Manziel to the rules of the CBA/policies, even if he isn't technically a player for one of the NFL franchises.
skillz
Footballguy
The CBA applies to players not signed by a team. The Preamble describes the following persons, among others, as being subject to the CBA provisions:
"All professional football players who have been previously employed by a member club of the National Football League who are seeking employment with an NFL Club"
"All professional football players who have been previously employed by a member club of the National Football League who are seeking employment with an NFL Club"
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Given that, how on earth would they enforce the drug testing protocols? Would the league show up randomly to test Manziel? Like in the middle of the Coachella concert? "Hey Johnny, aim this way and fill up this beaker."
He's not in the substance abuse program, is he?
Aren't those players not in the program only tested 1x/year, and aren't they notified of the "window" ahead of time?
With regards to Gordon, since he's in the program, I believe he has to make himself available for a test, upon request, within a specific time period (24 hours, 48 hours???)
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massraider
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Yeah, they give him a heads up.
May I suggest the day after Burning Man for the next test??
May I suggest the day after Burning Man for the next test??