Sabertooth
Footballguy
Simple poll.
Either he will play another down in the NFL or he won't.
Either he will play another down in the NFL or he won't.
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Josh Gordon will or will not play another game in the NFL (1 Viewer)
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lod01
Footballguy
Hell, they are still working on how they are going to get him on the field with Manzier this year. Every time they are close to making an announcement of the suspension length, Gordon screws up again and it's back to the drawing board.
amnesiac
beer is good
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Depends on the suspension. Which could be 4 weeks to a year.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Isn't the next offense after a 1 year suspension a lifetime ban?
Gordon wasn't even able to stay out of trouble for a few weeks with this suspension looming. If he's suspended for a year, I wouldn't put it past him to get dinged again before the year is up.
squistion
Footballguy
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Obviously if he can stay clean and out of trouble he'll get chance after chance due to his ability. But can he stay clean? Coin flip IMO.
False Start
Footballguy
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I do not believe so. I believe the next offense would come with another yearlong suspension. The longest Goodell could sanction him for at the start of a suspension is 1 year. Where things get grey is that he could make him jump through hoops at the back end and delay his reinstatement. I do not believe that a commissioner has the authority to permanently ban a play for substance abuse issues, but if it got to that stage it would mean the player could not stay clean and sober (and thus did not comply with the testing protocols).
amnesiac
beer is good
i don't understand this sentiment which has been brought up several times in the other thread. they've already tried this, and Gordon is still messing up.
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Peak
Footballguy
They won't cut him. That would be a horrible business mom, and an irrational knee jerk. He will get suspended, and I think Cleveland will support him and help him get back on track. He has made some childish decisions and need a to learn from his actions. Cutting him will only make it worse as he losses a major support system. I think he's suspended for 6-8 games, but may go more if he can't stay clean during this time.
cstu
Footballguy
Denard Jackson received a one year suspension that caused him to miss two seasons. After he was finally reinstated he tested positive again and received another one year suspension.Anarchy99 said:
What makes it difficult to come back is that these guys get all this time off from their job but also get tested 10 times a month.
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
No they haven't. According to an article posted in the long thread, the Browns have done literally nothing to help him. They have not tried what many have suggested, which is with the Dez Bryant Rules.amnesiac said:
amnesiac
beer is good
i'll try to find the link to the story that states that they did in fact have a babysitter for him. but either way, you do realize Gordon would have to consent to such treatment.
i find it highly unlikely the Browns and / or the NFL offered him no help. and i find it much more likely Gordon has refused such help.
Pots
Footballguy
I'm no Gordon fan (I think he should be suspended for the year) but I don't think it's fair to make 2 jumps to conclusions (1. Browns offered him a Dez Bryant-like babysitter and 2. Gordon turned it down) when there is no evidence of either. Gordon's a dumb###, but he hasn't done anything to suggest he'd turn down help offered from the team that I'm aware of.
amnesiac
beer is good
they tried to, but due to the backlash from the Richardson trade, they had to get more than anyone was willing to give them.
amnesiac
beer is good
fair enough. and i will try to find the story. but on the flip side, do we have any evidence the Browns did not try to protect Gordon?
seems counterintuitive that they didn't.
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
As stated earlier. Please, don't get up.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11219714/cleveland-browns-help-troubled-wr-josh-gordon-salvage-career
amnesiac
beer is good
i read your link and there is nothing in it that states that the Browns did not try to support Gordon over the last year or so.it said that there has not been much stability, organizationally, which i would agree with.
David Dodds
Administrator
You can put me on the ledger that I think we may not see him play again. He has been given a ton of chances already and I have not seen anything to indicate he gets it. He loves the weed, partying, and lifestyle this league has awarded him. Perhaps if it is taken away, he attempts to admit he has a problem and cleans himself up. But I think unless he wants to be a different person, I suspect it will be a serious of missteps with alcohol, drugs, the commish and the law. And even if he somehow gets reinstated, I suspect that he will get suspended again for these same behaviors.
The best thing for Josh Gordon would be to get the 1 year ban, the CLE Browns cut him, and the commish does not allow anyone to sign him for up to a year. That's rock bottom. Let's see how serious he is about being a different person and then we can start speculating whether he will play again in this league. But with his agent appealing and everyone still coddling him, I really doubt he is going to change a thing.
The best thing for Josh Gordon would be to get the 1 year ban, the CLE Browns cut him, and the commish does not allow anyone to sign him for up to a year. That's rock bottom. Let's see how serious he is about being a different person and then we can start speculating whether he will play again in this league. But with his agent appealing and everyone still coddling him, I really doubt he is going to change a thing.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Not really. He isn't that big of a name. He's probably most famous for his off the field issues than anything.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Ehhh he'll still be a multimillionaire (assuming he hasn't burned through all of the $4 million he's been paid thus far) in his early 20s. My guess is he DGAF at all until his $$$ runs out.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
The way he parties, that money I bet is gone within a year. To me a lot of this falls on Rosenhaus. Mr. Big shot super agent. He needs to get Gordon the support he needs. If he doesn't, I could see other agents using Gordon's demise as a wedge and it costing him money. I bet he wishes Gordon would fire him.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
100% falls on Gordon himself dude. He's a grown man making choices. If he wants help, he can get it pretty easily given the resources available to him. And if he doesn't want to change, nothing anyone else does will make one bit of difference. I'm sure many people have tried talking to him -- but it's ultimately up to Josh Gordon himself.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I agree. But Rosenhaus needs to make him understand the stakes. That's his job.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
You don't think Rosenhaus, the Browns, his teammates, the NFL, etc. have sat down and talked to him? GTFO -- I'm sure he knows what's at stake. Gordon is a 23 year old with a few million bucks who cares more about having fun than he does about his job. It's not exactly unheard of or completely crazy. Rosenhaus' job is to negotiate with Cleveland and bring in endorsement money. It's not his job to stay on anyone 24 / 7 keeping them out of trouble. Nor does he probably care too much given his portfolio of athletes worth way more money to him.
The FF community is all up in arms about Gordon, but in the big picture, he's not a major player. He doesn't make a ton of $$$, he's on a crap team, and casual fans probably don't care about him and barely know who he is. Rosenhaus and the NFL outside of Cleveland have much bigger priorities than Josh Gordon. Another random young talented player with drug issues is barely a blip on the radar.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I don't think a player has ever been in a situation like Gordon. Young and truly talented but troubled. Has a league leader under 30 ever been kicked out of the league before without using been convicted of a crime? With no violence on his resume? I think Goodell has a big issue here. He let Vick back in. He let Jolly back in and yet going to prison. Neither is nearly as talented as Gordon.
I've stated it already, but I fear he will be done if suspended for the season. Perhaps the light will come on, but looking at the Memorial Day stop with weed in the car, then the DWI, all while knowing he was about to plead to the NFL to reduce an impending suspension... I just don't think he cares. It's easy for any of us to look at this situation and wonder "How the hell doesn't he get his #### together?", but he certainly wouldn't be the first talented professional athlete to blow a career due to his inability to change his off field life. Gordon is only a big story to us now because of the talent he has displayed, and the season he just had, but he is hardly unique. I referenced Charles Rogers in another Gordon thread, all the talent in the world, but his off-field life destroyed his career. The broken collar bones certainly weren't career threatening, but the drugs, partying, and crowd he ran with were.
I just believe if there was anyone in Gordon's life who was going to get him to see the light, it would have already happened. He has been toeing the line of losing it all for a few years now, dating back to college, and yet nothing seems to be changing. Maybe the rock bottom theory will come true, but I just don't get the impression that there is anyone in Gordon's life who is going to assist in that transition. This isn't a guy who just fell off the straight and narrow, he's never even attempted to walk it.
I just believe if there was anyone in Gordon's life who was going to get him to see the light, it would have already happened. He has been toeing the line of losing it all for a few years now, dating back to college, and yet nothing seems to be changing. Maybe the rock bottom theory will come true, but I just don't get the impression that there is anyone in Gordon's life who is going to assist in that transition. This isn't a guy who just fell off the straight and narrow, he's never even attempted to walk it.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
You're missing the point. Gordon will get the appropriate suspension as dictated by the substance abuse policy, just like any other player. The NFL will move on without any issue. Gordon isn't going to get a lifetime ban -- but he will have to stay clean while facing stage three testing in order to apply for reinstatement, again, just like any other player. If he complies with the program, great, he'll be welcomed back. If he doesn't, it's no skin off of Godell's ### at all. The issue is the policy, with it's incredibly stringent testing protocols. It's not Goddell or the NFL; they're just implementing a policy as dictated by the current CBA.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
It's one thing when Lavon Brazil does something and another when Gordon or Aldon smith do. If you don't believe that, you are naive.
Half in the bag
Footballguy
Is Pac Man Jones still playing in the NFL?
I don't think Gordon has been half as bad as that goof
I don't think Gordon has been half as bad as that goof
This is missing the point I think many of us who think it is possible he won't back are trying to make. I don't feel like Josh Gordon is the worst person in the NFL, not by a long shot. I also don't feel like he is deserving of never playing football again. What I do think is that he is likely to force the league's hand. He's facing a likely 1 year ban. During that ban, if I had to bet one way or the other, I would bet on him failing another drug test. Once he starts down that road, of failing tests while he is suspended, the likely conclusion is him eventually just burning out of the league.
Again, it's not that I, or many of the ones who would bet on him not returning, think he is the most deserving of such a punishment, far from it. It's just that his apathy towards the entire process strikes me as a guy who will just "give up" if you will, and just go about his life partying and getting high. I hope I'm wrong, I really and honestly do, but his actions thus far don't give me any pause in my thinking.
I also think you guys who think his star status will award him special consideration are mistaken. Gordon was a freak last year, but outside of the most diehard NFL fans, and the fantasy community, Josh Gordon will be easily forgotten. He is hardly bigger than the league, to throw a cliche in there.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Let's just see if he gets the 1 year ban before we start predicting him career ban. Sheesh. Anything is possible at this point.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Again, if he's in stage three, a failed test is an "indefinite" suspension technically, and he can apply for reinstatement 60 days prior to the one year mark. You're still missing the part where this isn't just Roger Goddell arbitrarily handing down a decision; it's actually written into the CBA.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Again, if......
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
This.......NFL will find a way to get him back on the field and keep him on the field. Whatever they did for Randy Moss should work with Gordon.
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Well, yeah. But the fact that his suspension last year was initially four games, as well as comments afterward by Gordon himself, indicate pretty strongly that he was likely placed in stage three after returning from that suspension.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
So you have read the policy in question and found it uncertain and not absolute? Because the substance abuse policy itself is the only thing I've expressed even a little certainty on. Because I've actually, you know, taken the time to read it. Obviously unlike some people.
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
We have no idea what stage Gordon was or is in. We don't even know if the test was a true positive, or a miss "positive". So it is ALL speculation. To act like, or state, with any certainty is a waste of time. Of course we could outline each scenario: if this is the case, then that happens. But even then, a deal could be worked out and we never get any accurate information as to the violation and the reasoning behind the number of games. By all means, read the rule book until the cows come home. That way you can keep everybody in here straight.
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Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
f they test him while on suspension....Let me throw a little conspiracy out there. How transparent is the testing? What if Goodell suspends him for this current drug infraction because he has no choice ..But in the future tells the testing people...hands off we need this superstar on the field. Gordon, his agent and the Browns aren't going to say........hey guys you have forgotten to test me....So who would know, outside of the testing people who could most certainly be paid off for their inaction and silence. At that point he only has to stay on the right side of the law.
