Doctor Detroit
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For Dynasty purposes in this years rookie draft I would think this guy is a top 3 pick. Maybe higher.
He won't be as good as Rudi Johnson, nobody could ever be.No thoughts on Julius?? Amazing!!This guy just went from a 2nd round rookie pick to top 3.
Julius is by far in the better position as far as teams go. Jackson will sit behind faulk until marshall decides to leave. That could be atlest 2 or 3 years. KJones has Mooch for a coach (nuff said) and is in a RBBC environment with Piner and Bryson.Bell who I thought was undervalued on these boards is going to a team that has QDod and hearst. Alot of ?? there.I hate to say it but if i had the top pick in a rookie draft and needed a RB it would be Julius over the other 3. How sad is that. :(Kevin Jones, Stephen Jackson, Tatum Bell and Julius Jones all have a lot of value right now. He's at a minimum top 4.
Julius is NO Chris Perry by any stretchHe won't be as good as Rudi Johnson, nobody could ever be.
Not sure he's top 20, but he could be when all is said and done. You have to immediately project him as the Cowboys starter with a good chunk of the team's carries. Bell could arguably be the most productive rookie RB, but we need to better understand his role in Denver with Q-Dog and Hearst in tow.Julius in redraft just shot up to something like RB20. In dynasty... I have no idea how dynasty rookie drafts are going to shake out this year. 1.05 isn't looking so horrible any more with about six RBs who are either really good or in really good situations.
So you're saying that Mooch is a bad coach? Or that he runs RBBC? Maybe it's cause he had HEARST/BARLOW, I hardly compare Bryson & Pinner to either Hearst or Barlow. :rotflmao:Jones has Mooch for a coach (nuff said) and is in a RBBC environment with Piner and Bryson.
---you said this....Bills take:might be pissed off at Julius. His history at Notre Dame leads you to question his maturity, character, and intelligence.
--Parcells"I think he's a pretty-well rounded back," Parcells said of his newest running back. "He's quick, elusive and sees it well. And he's a high-character player. That's important to me."
No offense takenIm not trying to gang up on you or insult you but i think you are way off. Sorry just mho
I'm going to disagree with you here. Yes, he was academically ineligible, at a school that a lot of the players in the draft wouldn't even make the academic requirements to get into, let alone be able to stay eligible at.He spent the season off working academically to regain his eligibility, and working out with Thomas Jones. He showed back up his senior year more muscular and in better shape than he'd ever been. How many players did we hear about who showed up at the combine or at their pro days out of football shape, when they knew their draft position could be on the line? Yet Jones put in the time during a whole year off to improve himself. That's work ethic, the kind of thing Parcells wants to see in his players. Yeah, he screwed up, but he showed character in how he dealt with it, and made himself better for having been through it.Yes, he's going to make some rookie mistakes. His blitz pickup is going to need some work, and frankly he isn't the brightest guy in the world. I'm sure he'll be in Parcell's doghouse a few times, but Julius Jones hits the hole hard, has good enough speed to turn the corner... and most importantly, he's got good enough moves to make the first guy miss.I think he's going to do very well in Parcell's style of offense.I don't think they go in blindly and expect Julius to carry the full load all year. They could still bring in a guy (or two) to help out. Or maybe to supplant Jones. He's going to make too many rookie mistakes to be a 300 carry type guy (not to mention that his body might not support that either). That Julius flunked out of school and had to sit a year says he would be a canidate for rookie errors. I don't think Parcells would live with that all year without having another guy to throw in, at least for when might be pissed off at Julius. His history at Notre Dame leads you to question his maturity, character, and intelligence.And, Julius has not proved anything yet in the NFL, so his first year will be an experiment of sorts. 2004 may not be the stuff dreams are made of. To further speculate on top of this and assume he'll be a great starter or franchise back in year 2, 3, 4 and beyond for our keeper/dynasty purposes is sketchy. 2004 is sketchy, even though it's loaded with an ideal type opportunityfor Julius.
just for the record, I don't think Zeroue is a bad back, he's proven effective in some situations... he looked pretty good the year before playing with Bettisthe Steelers and a lot of people were excited about him... he was a useful player to say he's a failure is an exaggeration IMO. I'd have him on my team... maybe not as a #1 feature back but one I'd definetely feel comfortable working in in certain situations... especially for third downs, the guy's pretty good catching the ballI think the fact that the whole Steelers Offense struggled in 2003 contributed mightily to his struggles, the line sucked, Maddox struggled subsequently, and the defense was a sieve, contributing more pressure to an offense that had problems already, it was cyclicalI think he would work nicely with Jones, Julius will need help I think, heck, Priest Holmes even gets a blow for 1 series usuallyI'M ALSO NOT PREDICTING A.Z. WILL BE IN A COWBOYS UNIFORM NEXT YEARJust an example of a guy Dallas would at least bring in for a look... Maybe they keep both Hambrick and Cason with Anderson, I don't know...A.Z. will be around for a few more years, he can help a team somewhere...Second I think you are way off on thinking they will get famous Amos who failed in Pitt as the starter behind a 1990's BUS
don't see this at all. the lions thought about taking kevin jones at no. 6, but didn't because they saw a lack of teams taking RBs this year. tom rathman, the RB coach for the lions, absolutely loves this kid. kevin jones was a heisman trophy candidate ... what the heck have pinner or bryson ever done? i don't see this as RBBC at all. if jones signs, goes to all the camps, he will be the leading rusher among rookies this year and probably win rookie of the year.as for julius jones, he's thomas' brother and that's enough to scare me off.KJones has Mooch for a coach (nuff said) and is in a RBBC environment with Piner and Bryson.
While you may be 100% on with this statement, I am not convinced that J.Jones was the RB that Parcels was after from the get go. If he had taken J.J. before K.J. and Bell etc. I'd be more inclined to believe it. There seems to be some neccessity/options dwindling in this one. Now Jones may turn out to be a perennial pro-bowler but I think Bill was caught off guard here by the Rams & Bengels drafting Jackson & Perry in the 1st, which may in turn have forced Detroit to trade up and grab K.Jones as well and then T.Bell is off the board two picks before his 2nd rounder. Just my .02 PenguinBut this does show a trend also I think in that Parcells does not look for the same things in a rb to fit his system or ideal for the position as other scouts or draft gurus do.
You may be right, but I don't like the reasoning. It would've been stupid to draft Jones above his "perceived" value just to prove a point.While you may be 100% on with this statement, I am not convinced that J.Jones was the RB that Parcels was after from the get go. If he had taken J.J. before K.J. and Bell etc. I'd be more inclined to believe it.
Shawn, You are 100% right there. It's getting late and my thoughts are getting "foggy"You may be right, but I don't like the reasoning. It would've been stupid to draft Jones above his "perceived" value just to prove a point.
I like Jones, but without reading anyone else's opinions on where he'd go, I thought mid first round and later for Julius in dynasty drafts.1. Kevin Jones2. Fitz3. Roy Williams4. Kellen Winslow Jr. 5. Stephen JacksonI guess you could slip Jones up there somewhere, but remember , this is dynasty. This is "forever," not just this year. Stephen Jackson will get his chance in St. Louis and should do well.To draft Julius Jones just because, isn't a good enough reason. You have to believe he's a good player and a good fit for Dallas, then draft him. If I'm drafting 1.07 and Stephen Jackson is still on the board because of Marshall Faulk, that's just a steal. Marshall Faulk gets hurt every year now, and come weeks, 14 and 15 of this year, you will see Stephen Jackson in the lineup.Kevin Jones, Stephen Jackson, Tatum Bell and Julius Jones all have a lot of value right now. He's at a minimum top 4.
Don't let your Dallas bias or Buffalo hatred be too obvious, someone may think your opinion is a little slantedWith the extra picks Dallas robbed Buffalo of, hell, trade for 2005 free agent Shaun Alexander. this trade got you to the Super Bowl better, in the trade, in the long run.Buffalo could fall down this year and the Boys could get a super high #1 next year. Heck, they'd be thrilled if Buffalo picked #12 again next year.I don't see how Buffalo has greatly improved their team for 2004, especially in two very key areas, on the offensive side of the ball and in the defensive pass rush area. Yeah, they got Lee Evans, possibly a big reach at #13, especially in this WR rich draft, who will probably not make a huge difference for them in 2004 as WR's usually need a couple-few years to acclimate. And, they spent the #1 from Dallas on a project QB. Losman is pretty close to being a punk, if not one, and he has maybe 3-5 years before he's ready for several aspects of the NFL life and game. Sadly, the team's offensive improvement may have to come from their coaching staff and they have their work cut out for them as they have essentailly the same Offensive Unit that didn't come close to getting it done last year.
On one hand I'm inclined to agree with your rankings, as I'm not very high on Julius.But still, I don't think there's any way on God's green earth that he drops out of the top 5 in a run-of-the-mill dynasty league. Rookie RBs who are virtual locks to start as the featured back from day 1 don't grow on trees, and it is pretty much a sure thing that several of the teams picking in the top 5 will have major problems at RB that need to be addressed. Somebody will reach for him at the top of the draft, hoping he's the next Curtis Martin.I like Jones, but without reading anyone else's opinions on where he'd go, I thought mid first round and later for Julius in dynasty drafts.1. Kevin Jones2. Fitz3. Roy Williams4. Kellen Winslow Jr. 5. Stephen JacksonI guess you could slip Jones up there somewhere, but remember , this is dynasty. This is "forever," not just this year. Stephen Jackson will get his chance in St. Louis and should do well.To draft Julius Jones just because, isn't a good enough reason. You have to believe he's a good player and a good fit for Dallas, then draft him. If I'm drafting 1.07 and Stephen Jackson is still on the board because of Marshall Faulk, that's just a steal. Marshall Faulk gets hurt every year now, and come weeks, 14 and 15 of this year, you will see Stephen Jackson in the lineup.
Marshall will not play until Marshall decides to leave. Marshall will play until Marshall is no longer the better RB. I doubt that will be 2-3 years. Either way, that shouldn't devalue Jackson too much since you are discussing dynasty value. Jackson will a good amount of carries this year and should be the starter within a year or two.Jackson will sit behind faulk until marshall decides to leave. That could be atlest 2 or 3 years.
I disagree Jones will be in a pure RBBC in Detroit. Even if he is a little bit at the beginning, I'll once again point out that you are discussing dynasty value and the presence of Pinner and Bryson right now isn't all that important.KJones has Mooch for a coach (nuff said) and is in a RBBC environment with Piner and Bryson.
Again, in dynasty, it doesn't matter a whole lot who is there right now. I wouldn't hardly consider the fact that Hearst is there. He is of little threat to Bell's dynasty value. Q is a different story, though. I'd guess Bell eventually beats out Q.Bell who I thought was undervalued on these boards is going to a team that has QDod and hearst. Alot of ?? there.
I'd gladly trade down to anyone moving up to #1 for Julius.I hate to say it but if i had the top pick in a rookie draft and needed a RB it would be Julius over the other 3. How sad is that. :(
Actually, I think you're wrong. How did Warner amass a 1-8 record over his last 9 starts in the NFL. Because Martz kept throwing him back to the wolves because of some misguided loyalty to the guy. There was something wrong with Warner. His hand was messed up. His passes wobbled all over the place. Yet Martz kept throwing him back in there. Trust me, Faulk will play as long as he wants as long as Martz is the coach. If Martz gets canned, then there may be something to talk about that's different, but I don't see that happening....Marshall will not play until Marshall decides to leave. Marshall will play until Marshall is no longer the better RB. I doubt that will be 2-3 years. Either way, that shouldn't devalue Jackson too much since you are discussing dynasty value. Jackson will a good amount of carries this year and should be the starter within a year or two.
Well, I may have been a little off by saying Marshall will stop playing when someone else is better, but I certainly don't think it will take 2-3 years of being the second best RB on the team before he loses his job to Jackson. After all, Warner is as good as gone now. You're right that Martz showed a great deal of loyalty to Warner, but he has made the switch to the better player. I don't think he'll take as long with Faulk.Actually, I think you're wrong. How did Warner amass a 1-8 record over his last 9 starts in the NFL. Because Martz kept throwing him back to the wolves because of some misguided loyalty to the guy. There was something wrong with Warner. His hand was messed up. His passes wobbled all over the place. Yet Martz kept throwing him back in there. Trust me, Faulk will play as long as he wants as long as Martz is the coach. If Martz gets canned, then there may be something to talk about that's different, but I don't see that happening....
I agree with you on the time frame. 2-3 years is pretty optimistic. Faulk is 31. No way he's starting at 33 or 34. No way. But I do believe that he will play beyond when he shouldn't be. I think Faulk finishes the season and Jackson eases in next season. Faulk is pretty level headed. He took less money to stay when he signed his last contract, so maybe he will bow out a little early and not have to put the coaching staff in the position of having to make a tough decision. That being said, Faulk is still a fierce competitor and will probably play longer than he should...Well, I may have been a little off by saying Marshall will stop playing when someone else is better, but I certainly don't think it will take 2-3 years of being the second best RB on the team before he loses his job to Jackson. After all, Warner is as good as gone now. You're right that Martz showed a great deal of loyalty to Warner, but he has made the switch to the better player. I don't think he'll take as long with Faulk.
Hey Cowboy...What kind of Dynasty Leagues are you in? In my league, we have player contracts and a salary cap. The longest a guy can be signed for in my league is 3 years (2 year deal with an option for a 3rd). Dynasty isn't forever. Keeper leagues are. Dynasty imply that extra level of contracts.So, if Marshall bucks the trend and plays 2 more years, this guy is just going to ride the pine except in games that Marshall is injured....I guess you could slip Jones up there somewhere, but remember , this is dynasty. This is "forever," not just this year.
On pure PRIDE alone, Jackson will get a good amount of carries.This was Martz choice. you bet your ### he wants to prove that he knows what he is doing....Jackson gets 25% of the carries on PRIDE alone.Actually, I think you're wrong. How did Warner amass a 1-8 record over his last 9 starts in the NFL. Because Martz kept throwing him back to the wolves because of some misguided loyalty to the guy. There was something wrong with Warner. His hand was messed up. His passes wobbled all over the place. Yet Martz kept throwing him back in there. Trust me, Faulk will play as long as he wants as long as Martz is the coach. If Martz gets canned, then there may be something to talk about that's different, but I don't see that happening....
What does Jackson's pride have to do with getting onto the football field? I think it should say..."Jackson gets 25% of the carries on FAULK INJURY alone."ColinJackson gets 25% of the carries on PRIDE alone.
They talked to Martz on Sunday about Jackson and Faulk's role.Martz's comment was they they will 'find a way to work him (Jackson) in'.I don't see that being 25% of the carries. I see a series, maybe 2 a game.. just to give Faulk a breather. Jackson may have been the best back on the board.. but he's proven ZERO at the pro level. How many RBS came into the NFL with high hopes and totally TANKED? It's a bit premature to say he gets 25% of Marshall's work load without even hitting practice field with the first team.What does Jackson's pride have to do with getting onto the football field? I think it should say..."Jackson gets 25% of the carries on FAULK INJURY alone."Colin
I think he was referring to Martz's pride.What does Jackson's pride have to do with getting onto the football field? I think it should say...Jackson gets 25% of the carries on PRIDE alone.
Colin, How many guys would you rank above Jackson? I'm sitting at the #1 pick, and was pining for Jackson, but the situation he's in will probably make me go with Kevin Jones instead.With the #5 overall pick in a dynasty league, I'm hoping Jackson being a backup causes him to drop to me.Colin
Indeed, he will not be the next Michigan bust.Julius is NO Chris Perry by any stretch![]()
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Send security. Someone is using Switz' handle. Were he really here he would not say that Buffalo will be in the top 3rd of NFL records next year not that Loosman does not have some questions behind him.Hey, has anyone considered the value of that #1 pick in light of the inevitable supplemental draft to be held for Clarett?Don't let your Dallas bias or Buffalo hatred be too obvious, someone may think your opinion is a little slantedRegardless, the only difference between Buffalo's offense last season, and the on before was Peerless Price, and Moulds injury. Evans should immediately provide the deep threat Price was, he's mature, and fast, as long as he stays healthy. McGahee was a non-factor last year, but should provide a needed change of pace at the least at RB. And Sam Wyche is a QB guru, so Bledsoe should improve.I would think Dallas will get a 20-24 pick next year from the Bills, nothing better.And at that expectation, the trade was not a rip off by any stretch of the imagination.Losman may be a punk, but we don't grade NFL players on character, but production. He's got a strong arm, will have a year to learn the ropes, and should be at least decent. But the Bills think he's got all the tools to be a franchise QB, and if so, they end up with a better QB situation than Dallas.
Yes. Considering that best case, Clarrett would probably slot in somewhere between G. Jones, Moore, and Cobbs (because he's not that good), the value of the #1 pick would likely stay the same.ColinHey, has anyone considered the value of that #1 pick in light of the inevitable supplemental draft to be held for Clarett?
I actually have #5 as well, and this has played out quite nicely. I saw the top four rookie picks as K Jones, S Jackson, Roy Williams, and Fitzgerald. Given the draft, I would now say that Julius Jones and Chris Perry make it viable top six (or seven, with Bell). I'm almost hoping the original four go first, since Jackson's backing up for a bit, Jones and Williams will fight with Rogers for TDs in Detroit, and Fitzgerald will fight with the slew of Arizona WRs.With the #5 overall pick in a dynasty league, I'm hoping Jackson being a backup causes him to drop to me.
Colin