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Justin Forsett RB SEA (1 Viewer)

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He was a late round pick. He didn't put up good numbers at the combine or at his workout as he ran a 4.6 40 yard dash and only jumped 31" on the vertical jump He doesn't have great size or height as he only 5'8" 190. But he's looked good in preseason and has great college production (1500 yards last year and 15 TDs). He may be worth a roster spot and is likely on waivers in most leagues. Any thoughts on him? Any homers want to chime in?

 
He was a late round pick. He didn't put up good numbers at the combine or at his workout as he ran a 4.6 40 yard dash and only jumped 31" on the vertical jump He doesn't have great size or height as he only 5'8" 190. But he's looked good in preseason and has great college production (1500 yards last year and 15 TDs). He may be worth a roster spot and is likely on waivers in most leagues. Any thoughts on him? Any homers want to chime in?
There's some talk about him here and here. His name is yellow because of the 'search' function. Maybe this can be merged with the other one titled "Justin Forsett RB".Last week he was unimpressive in the game, though reports from camp have been glowing and his attitude is outstanding. Last night he had 256 combined yards and placed a lot of doubt of him making it to the practice squad if they don't keep him. He has an uphill battle to make the team because of the WR situation and with other bubble players like Kent and Hawthorne performing well. I haven't finished watching the game on tivo yet but it looks like Jones and Duckett were again unimpressive so Forsett is definitely doing all he can to make the cut. Apparently though Holmgren is concerned about his size so that could be an issue.

From Seahawks Insider:

Holmgren remains non-committal on Justin Forsett, despite his 256 combined yards. When I asked him if there was any way he could leave him off the team if he kept playing like this, he said it is way too early to make any comments about the roster at this point. There are 2 weeks to go and a lot of stuff can happen. He keeps bringing up his size, or lack thereof, when discussing him.
 
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I saw the highlights from last night's game and I wasn't that impressed. He made a couple nice plays, but I'd attribute much of that to inept defense and good blocking rather than great running. He doesn't seem to have the ability to plant his foot in the ground and make a hard cut, which could be a problem in the NFL. I would temper my expectations.

 
I think he's got a chance to stick, and given the state of the RB situation, anything is possible. He's more likely a practice suad guy, becaus I think they can sneak him through.

He's better than Duckett right now, but I think the Hawks will stupidly keep Duckett, he's one of Mora's guys.

 
I think he's got a chance to stick, and given the state of the RB situation, anything is possible. He's more likely a practice suad guy, becaus I think they can sneak him through.

He's better than Duckett right now, but I think the Hawks will stupidly keep Duckett, he's one of Mora's guys.
Why would this bode well for Forsett's future, given that Mora is going to take over for Holmgren starting next year?
 
If you watched the entire game last night, you would know that Forsett was VERY impressive!!! he did have that burst, he did make those cuts, and he did break those tackles. I know it was against 2nd string guys, but I honestly believe he could be the new 'momo' when momo becomes an FA next season.

 
Pretty decent video compilation of his week 2 runs here.

I'm more impressed with his power/tackle breaking in that video than I am by his speed or moves. His speed frankly looks like "RB average", and I didn't see any moves, just runs that were pure sweeps or off-tackle. No jukes, no cuts.

Like I said, it's a good thing that he was breaking through arm tackles with ease, but that's also in the second half against guys who mostly won't be in the league, and certainly won't be starting, in just a few weeks.

For me, the jury's still out, but I'm not counting on him to produce this year and I have my doubts about his value long term. And for the record, I drafted him late in one dynasty league and am rooting for him, but that's just the way I see it.

To finish this thought, take a look at video of Ladell Betts from his week 1 preseason game vs. the Bills. Betts is talented but nobody special, and is only arguably even starting material in the NFL. He's a high quality RB2 by today's NFL standards. In his short video, he shows burst, juke moves, cut backs, and power running. That's what a rosterable running back looks like, not the guy who put together the "nice" runs that Forsett did in his video from yesterday.

 
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I think he's got a chance to stick, and given the state of the RB situation, anything is possible. He's more likely a practice suad guy, becaus I think they can sneak him through.He's better than Duckett right now, but I think the Hawks will stupidly keep Duckett, he's one of Mora's guys.
Duckett has looked pedestrian. Took him two tries inside the 2 or 3 to put it in while Forset was knocking people's mouthpieces 5 yards downfield. No way Holmgren gives Mora's future presidency ANY thought when it comes to personnel decisions for this year. There's been zero sign of anything like that yet and I don't expect to see any. Holmgren is too strong, proud and willful for that and the organization isn't going to be able to pressure him like that nor should they considering his accomplishments over the last decade. Especially in the face of overwhelming performances vs underwhelming. If Mora wants TJ he can go get him next year. There's zero chance Duckett makes the cut. Forsett was the best player on the field the second half, for either team. Sure it was against scrubs, but he was also playing behind the Hawk's scrubs as well. His 100+ return yards should pad his case as it shows his multipurpose uses, whereas Duckett is really not much more than a short yardage guy.
 
Here's a direct link to that same video:

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80a0ffd9

I'm nitpicking, but he rounds his cuts a little bit. You can see on the TD run how he doesn't put his foot in the ground and make a hard upfield cut, but rounds it off instead. A back like Reggie Bush, LT, or Ray Rice can get upfield in one sharp cut. For some textbook examples check out LT at 1:03, 1:13, and 1:28 in the following clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBqjY4gpyaA

The ability to make a hard cut is crucial to a RB's success in the NFL. LT is better at than just about everyone else, but most of the elite NFL backs have loose hips and an exceptional ability to shift their momentum seamlessly. Check out Reggie Bush's cut at 3:12. It's exactly what I'm talking about.

Forsett has a good stocky build and plenty of speed, but I didn't see the ability to make those NFL type cuts.

 
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EBF,

Let's talk reality here for a minute. I cannot believe you would start comparing Forsett to LT. Forsett is a 7th round nobody who was pretty nice to watch in college and walks into a situation where there isn't a strong RB1, RB2...there just isn't a ton in front of him. There are no expectations of this guy and if he has 3-4 good games this season, he will far excede anything I have read in a mag or site in the off season.

I love your posts EBF, I just have a hard time with you nitpicking a guy that just ripped off one of the best games we have seen in preseason this year so far. I think he deserves credit over being critical...just my .02

 
EBF,Let's talk reality here for a minute. I cannot believe you would start comparing Forsett to LT. Forsett is a 7th round nobody who was pretty nice to watch in college and walks into a situation where there isn't a strong RB1, RB2...there just isn't a ton in front of him. There are no expectations of this guy and if he has 3-4 good games this season, he will far excede anything I have read in a mag or site in the off season. I love your posts EBF, I just have a hard time with you nitpicking a guy that just ripped off one of the best games we have seen in preseason this year so far. I think he deserves credit over being critical...just my .02
:confused: The expectations that would need to be "tempered" are simply that he makes the team and contributes on special teams and some spot duty. Maybe develop down the line like several little guys have over the years. However, as good as he has been (and all reports out of practice are outstanding) WR Kent and LB Hawthorne "The Heater" are making strong cases of their own and as I have mentioned before, injuries to Branch and Engram and therefore the need for playable WRs on the roster may be the difference in his making the Seahawks. I would place a bet that he sees an NFL roster before Alexander does though.Here's a procedural question. Can he make the final cut and then be sent to the practice squad later in the season?
 
EBF,Let's talk reality here for a minute. I cannot believe you would start comparing Forsett to LT. Forsett is a 7th round nobody who was pretty nice to watch in college and walks into a situation where there isn't a strong RB1, RB2...there just isn't a ton in front of him. There are no expectations of this guy and if he has 3-4 good games this season, he will far excede anything I have read in a mag or site in the off season. I love your posts EBF, I just have a hard time with you nitpicking a guy that just ripped off one of the best games we have seen in preseason this year so far. I think he deserves credit over being critical...just my .02
I'm just trying to be realistic. The odds of him making any kind of an impact in the NFL are just about zero. If Jones and Morris don't cut the mustard next year then you'll be seeing a top 90 rookie and/or another veteran pickup in the backfield for the Seahawks next year.
 
Forsett is a pretty hard-nosed runner for his size. The best sequence of his Cal career came in the Oregon game, when Nate Longshore went out with a badly sprained ankle, and then came back in after an Oregon turnover with the game tied. Longshore could barely put weight on his ankle, let alone throw, so we basically handed it to Forsett four times; Forsett, on four hard runs into the line, gained something like 35 yards and scored a TD which turned out to be the winning margin.

But other than that, I never saw anything which suggested he could succeed at the NFL level. Comparing JJ Arringon, Marshawn Lynch, and Forsett, Forsett is easily the least compelling of the backs. Lynch averaged 6.6 yards per carry and had 15 total TDs his senior season; Arrington averaged 6.6 yards per carry and had 2000 yards and 15 total TDs his senior season. Arrington was faster and hit the hole harder, and Lynch was a large step above either back in terms of moves and strength. Forsett doesn't have the moves or the speed to play a big role in the NFL, in my estimation. He's the kind of guy who will perform well in training camp because he's a hard worker, but I don't think the raw talent is there. I'm rooting for him to make the roster, and maybe he'll return some kicks and things, but I wouldn't expect any fantasy numbers out of him.

 
I saw the highlights from last night's game and I wasn't that impressed. He made a couple nice plays, but I'd attribute much of that to inept defense and good blocking rather than great running. He doesn't seem to have the ability to plant his foot in the ground and make a hard cut, which could be a problem in the NFL. I would temper my expectations.
He made a really nice hard cut to the inside on a sweep to the left. For whatever reason, it didn't make the highlight footage. You'd have to watch the full game on the NFL network to appreciate the game he had. In addition to the broken tackles, he showed off some good vision and some shifty running that made guys miss.He also showed off amazing "escapablity" last week against the Vikings. There were several plays where the Vikings blew up the backfield and should have tackled him for a loss, but he kept slipping the tackles and getting positive yards. He also has that MJD short guy thing going for him, that makes it difficult for the defense to spot him behind his blockers.As far as his prospects this year go, I don't think he's worth drafting or even taking a flyer on. It's next year that Forsett becomes an interesting prospect. Mo Morris's contract expires this season and he probably won't be back. Depending on what the Seahawks do in the draft, Forsett could find himself #2 on the depth chart.
 
I don't understand why ppl are talking like duckett has anything to do with forsett having a place on the team. Duckett is 6' 255 and forsett is 5'8 190. If duckett ends up being cut the seahawks will need another big, power rb to work the goalline not a small rb like forsett.

Now, I can see forsett being somewhat productive if JJ goes down and forsett has to fill his role. When thinking of forsett I'm immediately reminded of ahmad bradshaw and darius walker who also were rbs with average numbers at the combine but were productive in college

 
I don't understand why ppl are talking like duckett has anything to do with forsett having a place on the team. Duckett is 6' 255 and forsett is 5'8 190. If duckett ends up being cut the seahawks will need another big, power rb to work the goalline not a small rb like forsett.Now, I can see forsett being somewhat productive if JJ goes down and forsett has to fill his role. When thinking of forsett I'm immediately reminded of ahmad bradshaw and darius walker who also were rbs with average numbers at the combine but were productive in college
Because the team keeps approximately 11 RB/WRs according to Holmgren. 2 of the WRs are going to start out hurt which means they have to keep 5 others to play untl Branch/Engram are back. That leaves 4 (maybe 5) slots for RBs. Morris, Jones, Weaver, Schmitt and then maybe, maybe one more HB which would be Duckett or Forsett. Weaver and Schmitt are wide loads and can do the short yardage big body stuff Duckett does. Forsett is multi-use obviously including special teams whereas Duckett is a rather specific duty player as he is not above Morris or Jones on the depth chart. Regardless they barely have room on the roster for one of the two much less both. That's why Duckett affects Forsett's roster status.
 
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I think he might get a shot during the season , as Morris and Jones are not what you would call featured back ( They actually suck ) .

So you never know .

 
Seattle might have the worst talent at RB than any team in the NFL. Forsett will likely make the team & it's entirely possible he gets a shot this season. Can he succeed? Longshot, but more & more smaller RBs will be making it in future years. Not necessarily lighter guys, but sleeker, better athletes (think Peterson, Chris Johnson, McFadden, Forte, Kevin Smith, Jamaal Charles, etc).

He's got some ability. Definetly worth a shot in dynasty leagues, IMO. Especially with rosters of 24 or more.

 

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