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Justin Tucker Suspended 10 games (2 Viewers)

I thought the NFL didn't level a suspension until the legal proceedings are complete. Tucker hasn't even been officially charged with anything.
 
They only do that when they don’t know what to do. :wink:
Von Miller was suspended and never charged. The CBA basically allows them to handle it however they want.
 
From AI:

Yes, the NFL can suspend players even without formal criminal charges. The league's personal conduct policy allows them to discipline players for actions that negatively impact the league's image, even if those actions don't result in legal charges. [1, 2, 3]
Elaboration:
  • Personal Conduct Policy: The NFL has a broad personal conduct policy that allows them to suspend players for off-the-field behavior that the league deems detrimental to its reputation. [2, 2, 3, 3]
  • No Charges, No Problem: This means a player could be suspended even if they haven't been charged with a crime or have been found not guilty in a court of law. [2, 2, 4, 4]
  • Examples: Examples include situations where a player is involved in violence, domestic abuse, or other actions that the league believes reflect poorly on the NFL. [2, 2, 3, 5, 5, 6, 7]
  • Independent Investigation: The league often conducts its own independent investigations before making a decision about suspension, even if there are no criminal proceedings. [4, 4]
  • Examples of Players Suspended Without Charges: Notable players like Ben Roethlisberger and Ezekiel Elliott have been suspended under the personal conduct policy without being charged with a crime. [1, 2, 2]
  • Other Reasons for Suspension: Besides the personal conduct policy, players can also be suspended for violations of the league's substance abuse policy, gambling policy, or other rules. [1, 1, 8, 8]
AI responses may include mistakes.
[1] https://www.profootballnetwork.com/how-do-nfl-suspensions-work/
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_player_conduct_policy
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suspensions_in_the_NFL
[4] https://www.reddit.com/r/billsimmons/comments/1f9r19f/why_is_the_nfl_waiting_to_suspend_rice/
[5] https://ghfalcon.com/16116/sports/whats-bothering-rashee-a-brief-history-of-crime-in-the-nfl/
[6] https://signaturefd.com/full-cost-nfl-fines/
[7] https://ghfalcon.com/16116/sports/whats-bothering-rashee-a-brief-history-of-crime-in-the-nfl/
[8] https://www.quora.com/Do-NFL-players-lose-money-when-suspended-for-games
 
They only do that when they don’t know what to do. :wink:
Von Miller was suspended and never charged. The CBA basically allows them to handle it however they want.
Yeah, really inconsistent on how suspensions are determined.

There is video of Rasheed Rice committing a crime and walking away from the scene of the crime. 8 felonies total so far. The NFL takes no action because they will let the legal process play out first. If that's your stance, then OK. But how can you justify Tucker getting 10 games when he's not even charged with a crime? Just curious.

I guess the Rice incident didn't "reflect poorly" on the NFL :shrug:
 
They only do that when they don’t know what to do. :wink:
Von Miller was suspended and never charged. The CBA basically allows them to handle it however they want.
Yeah, really inconsistent on how suspensions are determined.

There is video of Rasheed Rice committing a crime and walking away from the scene of the crime. 8 felonies total so far. The NFL takes no action because they will let the legal process play out first. If that's your stance, then OK. But how can you justify Tucker getting 10 games when he's not even charged with a crime? Just curious.

I guess the Rice incident didn't "reflect poorly" on the NFL :shrug:
Just a 100% guess…. they would look even worse if they handed out too light of a punishment. So in the case of Rice, they want to see it play out. I’d be pretty surprised if the CBA allowed them to suspend someone a second time for the same incident.
 
He’s a freaking kicker
What does that matter? Lol

Even the fact he’s not on a team doesn’t matter. It’s the inconsistency that I question.
What inconsistency? Watson got 11 games. Tucker got 10. Seems very consistent.
Why did Tucker get suspended at all? He hasn’t been charged with a crime. They should wait for the legal proceedings to be completed just like they are doing for the guy charged with 8 felonies who is on video fleeing the scene of the crime.

Rice has admitted to committing a crime. Tucker is only accused of committing one. Very inconsistent handling of suspensions.
 
I guess the Rice incident didn't "reflect poorly" on the NFL
That is right. No one will picket the Chiefs if Rice plays week 1.

Sexual assault stuff is treated differently.
As it should be. PR is PR, and while sure Rashee Rice has pending felony charges, I bet you the casual fan can't tell you what he did.

Ask any fan aged 30 or older about what Mike Vick did though....you still get people saying he should not have been allowed to come back and play NFL

And that was after actually ya know, serving his time for the crimes.

No team touched Punt God for a year and he was never even charged bc
 
Rice has admitted to committing a crime
Did he? I thought he apologized for his behavior & we’re waiting for the legal system to determine if he would be charged.

Also speeding & whatnot isn’t sexual assault. Why compare him to Rice when Watson is a much better comparison. Apples to apples and all that.
 
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He’s a freaking kicker
What does that matter? Lol

Even the fact he’s not on a team doesn’t matter. It’s the inconsistency that I question.
What inconsistency? Watson got 11 games. Tucker got 10. Seems very consistent.
Why did Tucker get suspended at all? He hasn’t been charged with a crime. They should wait for the legal proceedings to be completed just like they are doing for the guy charged with 8 felonies who is on video fleeing the scene of the crime.

Rice has admitted to committing a crime. Tucker is only accused of committing one. Very inconsistent handling of suspensions.
Wasn't Tucker accused by over a dozen women?
 
Rice has admitted to committing a crime
Did he? I thought he apologized for his behavior & we’re waiting for the legal system to determine if he would be charged.

Also speeding & whatnot isn’t sexual assault. Why compare him to Rice when Watson is a much better comparison. Apples and apples and all that.
Good god

So Tucker isn't charged with a crime yet should be suspended for sexual assault? So you don't believe in due process?

As far as Rice is concerned, it was more than speeding and "whatnot" or he wouldn't have fled the scene and stayed away for a week. Guy is a POS who fled the scene of an accident he caused with zero concern if he hurt or killed anyone. Video doesn't lie. He admitted he was driving the car and fled the scene. Pretty clear cut guilt with the video available.

But all that aside, the point is that in Rice's case, the NFL stance is to let the legal process play out before addressing a suspension. In Tuckers case, that doesn't apply apparently. The fact that someone is accused of a more high profile and heinous crime doesn't mean they are guilty and punished more severely. Give Tucker the same process as they are giving Rice. Personally, I think Tucker is a POS too, but until he is found guilty in a court, it's just an accusation. If the league's stance is to let the legal process play out, then that should be the same across the board.

ETA: Watson settled 23 cases against him, so essentially admitted he was guilty. Tucker has denied all allegations. Watson only got one more game than Tucker. Tucker isn't appealing the suspension because at this point because it's just easier to accept it while he isn't on a team and his career is probably done anyway due to a combination of performance and the negative publicity signing him would cause.
 
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Rice has admitted to committing a crime
Did he? I thought he apologized for his behavior & we’re waiting for the legal system to determine if he would be charged.

Also speeding & whatnot isn’t sexual assault. Why compare him to Rice when Watson is a much better comparison. Apples and apples and all that.
Good god

So Tucker isn't charged with a crime yet should be suspended for sexual assault? So you don't believe in due process?

As far as Rice is concerned, it was more than speeding and "whatnot" or he wouldn't have fled the scene and stayed away for a week. Guy is a POS who fled the scene of an accident he caused with zero concern if he hurt or killed anyone. Video doesn't lie. He admitted he was driving the car and fled the scene. Pretty clear cut guilt with the video available.

But all that aside, the point is that in Rice's case, the NFL stance is to let the legal process play out before addressing a suspension. In Tuckers case, that doesn't apply apparently. The fact that someone is accused of a more high profile and heinous crime doesn't mean they are guilty and punished more severely. Give Tucker the same process as they are giving Rice. Personally, I think Tucker is a POS too, but until he is found guilty in a court, it's just an accusation. If the league's stance is to let the legal process play out, then that should be the same across the board.

ETA: Watson settled 23 cases against him, so essentially admitted he was guilty. Tucker has denied all allegations. Watson only got one more game than Tucker. Tucker isn't appealing the suspension because at this point because it's just easier to accept it while he isn't on a team and his career is probably done anyway due to a combination of performance and the negative publicity signing him would cause.
Tucker negotiated his suspension, which can be seen as an admission of guilt too.
 
Rice has admitted to committing a crime
Did he? I thought he apologized for his behavior & we’re waiting for the legal system to determine if he would be charged.

Also speeding & whatnot isn’t sexual assault. Why compare him to Rice when Watson is a much better comparison. Apples and apples and all that.
Good god

So Tucker isn't charged with a crime yet should be suspended for sexual assault? So you don't believe in due process?

As far as Rice is concerned, it was more than speeding and "whatnot" or he wouldn't have fled the scene and stayed away for a week. Guy is a POS who fled the scene of an accident he caused with zero concern if he hurt or killed anyone. Video doesn't lie. He admitted he was driving the car and fled the scene. Pretty clear cut guilt with the video available.

But all that aside, the point is that in Rice's case, the NFL stance is to let the legal process play out before addressing a suspension. In Tuckers case, that doesn't apply apparently. The fact that someone is accused of a more high profile and heinous crime doesn't mean they are guilty and punished more severely. Give Tucker the same process as they are giving Rice. Personally, I think Tucker is a POS too, but until he is found guilty in a court, it's just an accusation. If the league's stance is to let the legal process play out, then that should be the same across the board.

ETA: Watson settled 23 cases against him, so essentially admitted he was guilty. Tucker has denied all allegations. Watson only got one more game than Tucker. Tucker isn't appealing the suspension because at this point because it's just easier to accept it while he isn't on a team and his career is probably done anyway due to a combination of performance and the negative publicity signing him would cause.
Tucker negotiated his suspension, which can be seen as an admission of guilt too.
Or since nobody will sign him this year anyway, might as well just get it out of the way. He doesn’t need to be on a team to serve the suspension from what I read.
 
Seems fair. Watson got 11. Right in the ballpark.
to start the season...
I don’t think it really matters since he’s washed anyway.
if we pretend this legal stuff didn't happen....I would be willing to bet that even tho he had a tough year last year.....he is still probably better then a third or so of the kickers in the league....give or take....and would be on a roster to start the season...
 
Rice has admitted to committing a crime
Did he? I thought he apologized for his behavior & we’re waiting for the legal system to determine if he would be charged.

Also speeding & whatnot isn’t sexual assault. Why compare him to Rice when Watson is a much better comparison. Apples and apples and all that.
Good god

So Tucker isn't charged with a crime yet should be suspended for sexual assault? So you don't believe in due process?

As far as Rice is concerned, it was more than speeding and "whatnot" or he wouldn't have fled the scene and stayed away for a week. Guy is a POS who fled the scene of an accident he caused with zero concern if he hurt or killed anyone. Video doesn't lie. He admitted he was driving the car and fled the scene. Pretty clear cut guilt with the video available.

But all that aside, the point is that in Rice's case, the NFL stance is to let the legal process play out before addressing a suspension. In Tuckers case, that doesn't apply apparently. The fact that someone is accused of a more high profile and heinous crime doesn't mean they are guilty and punished more severely. Give Tucker the same process as they are giving Rice. Personally, I think Tucker is a POS too, but until he is found guilty in a court, it's just an accusation. If the league's stance is to let the legal process play out, then that should be the same across the board.

ETA: Watson settled 23 cases against him, so essentially admitted he was guilty. Tucker has denied all allegations. Watson only got one more game than Tucker. Tucker isn't appealing the suspension because at this point because it's just easier to accept it while he isn't on a team and his career is probably done anyway due to a combination of performance and the negative publicity signing him would cause.
Tucker negotiated his suspension, which can be seen as an admission of guilt too.
Or since nobody will sign him this year anyway, might as well just get it out of the way. He doesn’t need to be on a team to serve the suspension from what I read.
He likely did not want to have happen to him what happened with Antonio Brown and Watson. Those two may have officially got 8 and 11 game suspensions but it was really more like 8 and 11 games AND most or all of the previous season with pay because of the threat of the commissioner exempt list.
 
But all that aside, the point is that in Rice's case, the NFL stance is to let the legal process play out before addressing a suspension. In Tuckers case, that doesn't apply apparently. The fact that someone is accused of a more high profile and heinous crime doesn't mean they are guilty and punished more severely. Give Tucker the same process as they are giving Rice. Personally, I think Tucker is a POS too, but until he is found guilty in a court, it's just an accusation. If the league's stance is to let the legal process play out, then that should be the same across the board.
Your point is taken, and correct.

The league doesn't want to put up with the hassle of appearing not to take sexual assault seriously.

It's not fair, they act different based on the infraction, and they enforce their guidelines how they see fit, and I'm quite sure, how loud the public outcry might be.
It's not the same actions across the board, you are absolutely correct.
 
Rice has admitted to committing a crime
Did he? I thought he apologized for his behavior & we’re waiting for the legal system to determine if he would be charged.

Also speeding & whatnot isn’t sexual assault. Why compare him to Rice when Watson is a much better comparison. Apples and apples and all that.
Good god

So Tucker isn't charged with a crime yet should be suspended for sexual assault? So you don't believe in due process?

As far as Rice is concerned, it was more than speeding and "whatnot" or he wouldn't have fled the scene and stayed away for a week. Guy is a POS who fled the scene of an accident he caused with zero concern if he hurt or killed anyone. Video doesn't lie. He admitted he was driving the car and fled the scene. Pretty clear cut guilt with the video available.

But all that aside, the point is that in Rice's case, the NFL stance is to let the legal process play out before addressing a suspension. In Tuckers case, that doesn't apply apparently. The fact that someone is accused of a more high profile and heinous crime doesn't mean they are guilty and punished more severely. Give Tucker the same process as they are giving Rice. Personally, I think Tucker is a POS too, but until he is found guilty in a court, it's just an accusation. If the league's stance is to let the legal process play out, then that should be the same across the board.

ETA: Watson settled 23 cases against him, so essentially admitted he was guilty. Tucker has denied all allegations. Watson only got one more game than Tucker. Tucker isn't appealing the suspension because at this point because it's just easier to accept it while he isn't on a team and his career is probably done anyway due to a combination of performance and the negative publicity signing him would cause.
Tucker negotiated his suspension, which can be seen as an admission of guilt too.
I guess you could argue that but if the league was going to suspend him anyway then talking them down to 10 instead of a full season seems pretty good no? But agree here, it's not anyone that's innocent has ever been punished before.
 
So, Justin Tucker becomes a sexual deviant the same year he bottoms out as a kicker? :tinfoilhat:
Weren't these all hold accusations from 2019? If so that means the Ravens covered them up or....
Yes, the Ravens covered up Tucker's bad deeds when he was doing good. As a matter of fact, any time a player is doing good and a bad deed can be covered up, the team will try. It's their job. The only time the public gets wind of something is when the player is sucking, or when the bad deed is either too bad to cover up, or it's already public knowledge. Do you think you saw the Ray Rice video at the same time the Ravens staff did? Do you think you heard about the Deshaun Watson allegations just as the Texans were getting wind of it? Heck, I think Andy Reid was one of the passengers in Rashee Rice's car!
 
Rice has admitted to committing a crime
Did he? I thought he apologized for his behavior & we’re waiting for the legal system to determine if he would be charged.

Also speeding & whatnot isn’t sexual assault. Why compare him to Rice when Watson is a much better comparison. Apples and apples and all that.
Good god

So Tucker isn't charged with a crime yet should be suspended for sexual assault? So you don't believe in due process?

As far as Rice is concerned, it was more than speeding and "whatnot" or he wouldn't have fled the scene and stayed away for a week. Guy is a POS who fled the scene of an accident he caused with zero concern if he hurt or killed anyone. Video doesn't lie. He admitted he was driving the car and fled the scene. Pretty clear cut guilt with the video available.

But all that aside, the point is that in Rice's case, the NFL stance is to let the legal process play out before addressing a suspension. In Tuckers case, that doesn't apply apparently. The fact that someone is accused of a more high profile and heinous crime doesn't mean they are guilty and punished more severely. Give Tucker the same process as they are giving Rice. Personally, I think Tucker is a POS too, but until he is found guilty in a court, it's just an accusation. If the league's stance is to let the legal process play out, then that should be the same across the board.

ETA: Watson settled 23 cases against him, so essentially admitted he was guilty. Tucker has denied all allegations. Watson only got one more game than Tucker. Tucker isn't appealing the suspension because at this point because it's just easier to accept it while he isn't on a team and his career is probably done anyway due to a combination of performance and the negative publicity signing him would cause.
Tucker negotiated his suspension, which can be seen as an admission of guilt too.
Or since nobody will sign him this year anyway, might as well just get it out of the way. He doesn’t need to be on a team to serve the suspension from what I read.
This. If youre Tucker, you definitely want this suspension now. He's a semi-washed kicker. Not a single team would sign him with this 'impending TBD suspension'

This way after the 10 games, he MIGHT be able to convince a team to take a chance on him later in the year or next year. Otherwise he waits for the legal system to shake things out and he is out of work maybe for years. Thisbis best case scenario for him given the situation.
 
Seems fair. Watson got 11. Right in the ballpark.
to start the season...
I don’t think it really matters since he’s washed anyway.
if we pretend this legal stuff didn't happen....I would be willing to bet that even tho he had a tough year last year.....he is still probably better then a third or so of the kickers in the league....give or take....and would be on a roster to start the season...
Maybe. He was pretty rough.
 
This way after the 10 games, he MIGHT be able to convince a team to take a chance on him later in the year or next year. Otherwise he waits for the legal system to shake things out and he is out of work maybe for years. Thisbis best case scenario for him given the situation.
100% agree. Smart move, even if the PR sucks. But hey, the PR already sucked.
 
Seems odd to compare this situation in regards to suspension, to any other players situation from the past. This wasn't handed down by the firm hand of the NFL, it was negotiated by the league, players union and Tuckers representatives. He wanted this done. I'd assume the league also wanted this done. Both sides simply got ahead of it. Imo
 
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Rice has admitted to committing a crime
Did he? I thought he apologized for his behavior & we’re waiting for the legal system to determine if he would be charged.

Also speeding & whatnot isn’t sexual assault. Why compare him to Rice when Watson is a much better comparison. Apples and apples and all that.
Good god

So Tucker isn't charged with a crime yet should be suspended for sexual assault? So you don't believe in due process?

As far as Rice is concerned, it was more than speeding and "whatnot" or he wouldn't have fled the scene and stayed away for a week. Guy is a POS who fled the scene of an accident he caused with zero concern if he hurt or killed anyone. Video doesn't lie. He admitted he was driving the car and fled the scene. Pretty clear cut guilt with the video available.

But all that aside, the point is that in Rice's case, the NFL stance is to let the legal process play out before addressing a suspension. In Tuckers case, that doesn't apply apparently. The fact that someone is accused of a more high profile and heinous crime doesn't mean they are guilty and punished more severely. Give Tucker the same process as they are giving Rice. Personally, I think Tucker is a POS too, but until he is found guilty in a court, it's just an accusation. If the league's stance is to let the legal process play out, then that should be the same across the board.

ETA: Watson settled 23 cases against him, so essentially admitted he was guilty. Tucker has denied all allegations. Watson only got one more game than Tucker. Tucker isn't appealing the suspension because at this point because it's just easier to accept it while he isn't on a team and his career is probably done anyway due to a combination of performance and the negative publicity signing him would cause.
Tucker negotiated his suspension, which can be seen as an admission of guilt too.
Or since nobody will sign him this year anyway, might as well just get it out of the way. He doesn’t need to be on a team to serve the suspension from what I read.
This. If youre Tucker, you definitely want this suspension now. He's a semi-washed kicker. Not a single team would sign him with this 'impending TBD suspension'

This way after the 10 games, he MIGHT be able to convince a team to take a chance on him later in the year or next year. Otherwise he waits for the legal system to shake things out and he is out of work maybe for years. Thisbis best case scenario for him given the situation.
How many more years do you think he has in his career?

For a guy that staunchly denied all wrongdoing, he was quite quick to negotiate a suspension. 100% innocent people don't do this. D. Watson was never criminally charged IIRC.
 
Rice has admitted to committing a crime
Did he? I thought he apologized for his behavior & we’re waiting for the legal system to determine if he would be charged.

Also speeding & whatnot isn’t sexual assault. Why compare him to Rice when Watson is a much better comparison. Apples and apples and all that.
Good god

So Tucker isn't charged with a crime yet should be suspended for sexual assault? So you don't believe in due process?

As far as Rice is concerned, it was more than speeding and "whatnot" or he wouldn't have fled the scene and stayed away for a week. Guy is a POS who fled the scene of an accident he caused with zero concern if he hurt or killed anyone. Video doesn't lie. He admitted he was driving the car and fled the scene. Pretty clear cut guilt with the video available.

But all that aside, the point is that in Rice's case, the NFL stance is to let the legal process play out before addressing a suspension. In Tuckers case, that doesn't apply apparently. The fact that someone is accused of a more high profile and heinous crime doesn't mean they are guilty and punished more severely. Give Tucker the same process as they are giving Rice. Personally, I think Tucker is a POS too, but until he is found guilty in a court, it's just an accusation. If the league's stance is to let the legal process play out, then that should be the same across the board.

ETA: Watson settled 23 cases against him, so essentially admitted he was guilty. Tucker has denied all allegations. Watson only got one more game than Tucker. Tucker isn't appealing the suspension because at this point because it's just easier to accept it while he isn't on a team and his career is probably done anyway due to a combination of performance and the negative publicity signing him would cause.
Tucker negotiated his suspension, which can be seen as an admission of guilt too.
Or since nobody will sign him this year anyway, might as well just get it out of the way. He doesn’t need to be on a team to serve the suspension from what I read.
This. If youre Tucker, you definitely want this suspension now. He's a semi-washed kicker. Not a single team would sign him with this 'impending TBD suspension'

This way after the 10 games, he MIGHT be able to convince a team to take a chance on him later in the year or next year. Otherwise he waits for the legal system to shake things out and he is out of work maybe for years. Thisbis best case scenario for him given the situation.
How many more years do you think he has in his career?

For a guy that staunchly denied all wrongdoing, he was quite quick to negotiate a suspension. 100% innocent people don't do this. D. Watson was never criminally charged IIRC.
From working around the legal system for a while, this is unfortunately not true. Innocent people don't WANT to do this, but many times they actually do. Removing morality and intensions from the situations; much of the legal system is about statistical probabilities of outcomes and weighing the options against potential outcomes and finding what people are most comfortable with accepting. I know people might not agree with me on this next statement; but IMO the "smart" ones do make measured decisions and often plea down to crimes they did not commit, or at least not to the extent of which they are being prosecuted. Enough innocent but stubborn people in jail/doing much longer sentences then they had to be doing because they couldn't accept that often the world isn't fair and that our justice system is an imperfect one. It stinks, but denying reality when it's staring you in the face doesn't get you anything. It's a "cutting off your nose to spite your face" move.

I think someone upthread nailed it on Tucker's decision. Guilty or not aside, it's probably in his best interest to negotiate and accept a suspension now.

(All this said, yes, I do think Tucker's guilty. I also do think he has a right to due process. But I'll take my own advice and acknowledge the NFL is a business, not the US legal system. They can and will do what's in their investor's best interests, which means there will rarely be any kind of fairness or consistency involved. If there is, it was a happy accident. I would not be surprised if there exists verbiage in contracts which actually makes the NFL legally obligated to prioritize business/profit over just about everything else.)
 
Rice has admitted to committing a crime
Did he? I thought he apologized for his behavior & we’re waiting for the legal system to determine if he would be charged.

Also speeding & whatnot isn’t sexual assault. Why compare him to Rice when Watson is a much better comparison. Apples and apples and all that.
Good god

So Tucker isn't charged with a crime yet should be suspended for sexual assault? So you don't believe in due process?

As far as Rice is concerned, it was more than speeding and "whatnot" or he wouldn't have fled the scene and stayed away for a week. Guy is a POS who fled the scene of an accident he caused with zero concern if he hurt or killed anyone. Video doesn't lie. He admitted he was driving the car and fled the scene. Pretty clear cut guilt with the video available.

But all that aside, the point is that in Rice's case, the NFL stance is to let the legal process play out before addressing a suspension. In Tuckers case, that doesn't apply apparently. The fact that someone is accused of a more high profile and heinous crime doesn't mean they are guilty and punished more severely. Give Tucker the same process as they are giving Rice. Personally, I think Tucker is a POS too, but until he is found guilty in a court, it's just an accusation. If the league's stance is to let the legal process play out, then that should be the same across the board.

ETA: Watson settled 23 cases against him, so essentially admitted he was guilty. Tucker has denied all allegations. Watson only got one more game than Tucker. Tucker isn't appealing the suspension because at this point because it's just easier to accept it while he isn't on a team and his career is probably done anyway due to a combination of performance and the negative publicity signing him would cause.
Tucker negotiated his suspension, which can be seen as an admission of guilt too.
Or since nobody will sign him this year anyway, might as well just get it out of the way. He doesn’t need to be on a team to serve the suspension from what I read.
This. If youre Tucker, you definitely want this suspension now. He's a semi-washed kicker. Not a single team would sign him with this 'impending TBD suspension'

This way after the 10 games, he MIGHT be able to convince a team to take a chance on him later in the year or next year. Otherwise he waits for the legal system to shake things out and he is out of work maybe for years. Thisbis best case scenario for him given the situation.
How many more years do you think he has in his career?

For a guy that staunchly denied all wrongdoing, he was quite quick to negotiate a suspension. 100% innocent people don't do this. D. Watson was never criminally charged IIRC.
I think that happens far too often.

Not in this case, Tucker is guilty as sin IMO, but there have been, and still are, plenty of 100% innocent people spending time in prison on plea deals.
 
Rice has admitted to committing a crime
Did he? I thought he apologized for his behavior & we’re waiting for the legal system to determine if he would be charged.

Also speeding & whatnot isn’t sexual assault. Why compare him to Rice when Watson is a much better comparison. Apples and apples and all that.
Good god

So Tucker isn't charged with a crime yet should be suspended for sexual assault? So you don't believe in due process?

As far as Rice is concerned, it was more than speeding and "whatnot" or he wouldn't have fled the scene and stayed away for a week. Guy is a POS who fled the scene of an accident he caused with zero concern if he hurt or killed anyone. Video doesn't lie. He admitted he was driving the car and fled the scene. Pretty clear cut guilt with the video available.

But all that aside, the point is that in Rice's case, the NFL stance is to let the legal process play out before addressing a suspension. In Tuckers case, that doesn't apply apparently. The fact that someone is accused of a more high profile and heinous crime doesn't mean they are guilty and punished more severely. Give Tucker the same process as they are giving Rice. Personally, I think Tucker is a POS too, but until he is found guilty in a court, it's just an accusation. If the league's stance is to let the legal process play out, then that should be the same across the board.

ETA: Watson settled 23 cases against him, so essentially admitted he was guilty. Tucker has denied all allegations. Watson only got one more game than Tucker. Tucker isn't appealing the suspension because at this point because it's just easier to accept it while he isn't on a team and his career is probably done anyway due to a combination of performance and the negative publicity signing him would cause.
Tucker negotiated his suspension, which can be seen as an admission of guilt too.
Or since nobody will sign him this year anyway, might as well just get it out of the way. He doesn’t need to be on a team to serve the suspension from what I read.
This. If youre Tucker, you definitely want this suspension now. He's a semi-washed kicker. Not a single team would sign him with this 'impending TBD suspension'

This way after the 10 games, he MIGHT be able to convince a team to take a chance on him later in the year or next year. Otherwise he waits for the legal system to shake things out and he is out of work maybe for years. Thisbis best case scenario for him given the situation.
How many more years do you think he has in his career?

For a guy that staunchly denied all wrongdoing, he was quite quick to negotiate a suspension. 100% innocent people don't do this. D. Watson was never criminally charged IIRC.
I think that happens far too often.

Not in this case, Tucker is guilty as sin IMO, but there have been, and still are, plenty of 100% innocent people spending time in prison on plea deals.
And there are 100 percent guilty people walking around free because of plea deals or refusal to enforce laws. Works both ways and both are unfortunate.
 
Rice has admitted to committing a crime
Did he? I thought he apologized for his behavior & we’re waiting for the legal system to determine if he would be charged.

Also speeding & whatnot isn’t sexual assault. Why compare him to Rice when Watson is a much better comparison. Apples and apples and all that.
Good god

So Tucker isn't charged with a crime yet should be suspended for sexual assault? So you don't believe in due process?

As far as Rice is concerned, it was more than speeding and "whatnot" or he wouldn't have fled the scene and stayed away for a week. Guy is a POS who fled the scene of an accident he caused with zero concern if he hurt or killed anyone. Video doesn't lie. He admitted he was driving the car and fled the scene. Pretty clear cut guilt with the video available.

But all that aside, the point is that in Rice's case, the NFL stance is to let the legal process play out before addressing a suspension. In Tuckers case, that doesn't apply apparently. The fact that someone is accused of a more high profile and heinous crime doesn't mean they are guilty and punished more severely. Give Tucker the same process as they are giving Rice. Personally, I think Tucker is a POS too, but until he is found guilty in a court, it's just an accusation. If the league's stance is to let the legal process play out, then that should be the same across the board.

ETA: Watson settled 23 cases against him, so essentially admitted he was guilty. Tucker has denied all allegations. Watson only got one more game than Tucker. Tucker isn't appealing the suspension because at this point because it's just easier to accept it while he isn't on a team and his career is probably done anyway due to a combination of performance and the negative publicity signing him would cause.
Tucker negotiated his suspension, which can be seen as an admission of guilt too.
Or since nobody will sign him this year anyway, might as well just get it out of the way. He doesn’t need to be on a team to serve the suspension from what I read.
This. If youre Tucker, you definitely want this suspension now. He's a semi-washed kicker. Not a single team would sign him with this 'impending TBD suspension'

This way after the 10 games, he MIGHT be able to convince a team to take a chance on him later in the year or next year. Otherwise he waits for the legal system to shake things out and he is out of work maybe for years. Thisbis best case scenario for him given the situation.
How many more years do you think he has in his career?

For a guy that staunchly denied all wrongdoing, he was quite quick to negotiate a suspension. 100% innocent people don't do this. D. Watson was never criminally charged IIRC.
Exactly. If he waited this out for the courts to decide, his career would surely be over and I doubt he would ever play another snap again. This is by far his best shot at playing again, tho I still dont think he does play again.
 
I just can't see any team signing him at this point unless the LE investigation results in and the accusers say "oops, we all had the wrong guy - sorry, Tucker". The PR nightmare would be something that no team wants to deal with otherwise.

I am a firm believer in "innocent until proven guilty", but the NFL isn't a court of law and their personal conduct policy is so malleable that the league can do almost anything they want. I'd bet everything I own that the Ravens, the NFL, and the NFLPA know more than what the public does and have known at least some of it for a long time. There's way too much smoke here for there not to be more fires.

There are still civil suits in play, right? I think that's where it might get really nasty.
 

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